| Just when the word Enemy of Mankind pops out the crewmates leave the impostor alone.That's really stupid and the crewmates are not sus of pink at all.Except for Kyuoya(Idk his color XD) |
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| So many people in real life believe in government propaganda and conspiracy theories with less fabricated evidence than here. Yes, many of these characters have disastrously poor critical media reading skills, but that is just how mankind is. In series that actually involve fighting against mysterious monsters, aliens, demons, etc., the characters do not immediately suspect a grand conspiracy on day one, even if their enemies are very mysterious and only very little is known about them. People give the characters a free pass though. Actually, if the characters in such shows falsely suspected the government was lying to them and actually trying to kill them, I bet the audience would call them idiots for that too. If Kyoya was completely off-base and we as the audience could actually see the aliens around, many viewers would call him an insane conspiracy theorist and laugh at him. It seems that people's measure of character intelligence is whether they can guess correctly, even in the absence of significant evidence. This is how it usually goes: A character makes the correct hypothesis without much evidence. -> "He is a genius!" A character makes the false hypothesis with the equal amount of evidence. -> "He is an idiot!" It is not only with the so-called idiot characters but also with the alleged geniuses. If the "genius" guesses right every time without a shred of evidence, most people will accept them as a genius, even though it makes no sense. As evidenced by any number of anime, really. Just have the characters make random guesses, and people will 10/10 it as long as they luckily guess correctly. Scordolo said: Everyone in Among Us already knows that there is a killer among them. That is in the premise and even in the title. The people playing are not trying to figure out the genre of the game; they already know that.Just when the word Enemy of Mankind pops out the crewmates leave the impostor alone.That's really stupid and the crewmates are not sus of pink at all.Except for Kyuoya(Idk his color XD) Sku_Te said: It isn't a bad idea (I also thought about it), but it comes with its pros and cons. If it actually is aliens (or another third-party killer), isolating people without communication will make it easier to pick them off one by one. But sure, you will eventually be able to rule out some suspects.A complete lock-down and everyone confined to their rooms, with no communication allowed. Then go through everyone's witness accounts one by one, and cross reference. It'll take time, but would get to the bottom of things Sku_Te said: Ideas about moral disagrement are not a factor in tactical capabilities.I very rarely change from viewing a character different from the start and the end - with the exception of Lyn Davis from Marchen Madchen. With Nana, my disdain for her hasn't changed, and probably never will. Sku_Te said: Oh, so people should distrust her based on the premise that she is a liar... which they can't have figured out before already distrusting her. Distrusting her is fine and all, but you can't base it on already knowing the conclusion.There is no reason to trust her anyway, as she's a consummate liar. Why would anyone be willing to trust her ? |
TheDeedsOfMenDec 20, 2020 5:32 AM
Sku_Te said: Yes, it is probably better to move around in groups. But if people can't trust the other members of their groups, they will be reluctant to walk around with them and might opt to bunker down by themselves anyway. And if it really is mind-controlling aliens who can influence people with weak psyches, they could influence several people at once, especially during the heightened level of anxiety which will make it easier to influence them. They may be reluctant to trust those groups of people then. Though at least the aliens would have to target several people, which makes it more difficult in one sense.The way around that would be everyone had to check it at appointed times, with a personalised password. A modification of that would be everyone goes around in threes or fours (again with the clocking system and so forth, preferably a tracking system too) The best way would be to slow down the killer (ie Nana) until enough evidence is found or if something does happen, at the very least everyone's location would be know. You could also try to gather larger groups into bigger rooms such as classrooms. Though if you try to gather too many people, there is also the risk that they could be wiped out all at once, depending on the talents in play. And it may be inconvenient in other ways. Passwords are fine as a countermeasure because there is no real downside, but proving identities wasn't the biggest problem here. Better than nothing though. Sku_Te said: Are you referring to the lockdown scenario or something else?Circumstantial evidence should be enough to raise some eyebrows at least. Sku_Te said: Based on the conversation so far (such as "A lot of the problem is, of course dependant on how you view Nana. For those who view her as a slightly naughty girl, would want her caught ASAP, and the general lack of inquisitiveness being a problem towards that"), I thought it was related to the tactical abilities of the characters, but alright. Still, I don't see why you would have to root for a protagonist to keep watching. It is not like the narrative endorses what the protagonist does.Ideas about moral disagreement are not a factor in tactical capabilities. I never said it was - was just stating a reason for why I don't watch it now, |
| A few observations: Tsunekichi enforced Nana's (partially true) story of blackmail by going around claiming that she was his girlfriend. There were no external wounds or blunt trauma on the body, and there was no obvious reason why she could not have claimed self-defence anyway. The real reason for not claiming self-defence was the method of killing, which was not obvious this time. Thinking rationally, you should perform an autopsy then, but it is a pretty extreme thing for non-professionals to do. The zombie "autopsy" is plausible, as long as they are willing to desecrate his corpse and potentially torture his spirit. I don't think they ever cared about Tsunekichi all that much, even if the victim of his blackmail is telling them to care, so they could plausibly go for it. The forest being littered with zombies and Nana skipping on a day of school enforced her story about what happened with Yuuka, much of which was true anyway. As leader, it was plausible for Nana to speak extensively with her to keep up with how people were faring. Eventually, Nana openly claimed that Nakajima had been killed while putting on the whole crocodile tear show. The biggest circumstantial evidence was that they had spoken some time before. Sku_Te said: That is the self-insert approach to fiction. I don't agree with that.The protagonist is usually regarded as a visual representation of what a person thinks of themselves/would like to be/is etc etc. If said protagonist doesn't conform to those ideals, then you'll have to come up with justification to continue, or leave it. There needs to be attachment somewhere to the characters. Without that, it's just a waste of time. It is not about whether the protagonist conforms to ideals; it is about whether the narrative does. If a villain protagonist is acknowledged as a villain, I don't see a problem. The characters I like are the ones with the most interesting ideas, dialogue, and role in the story. I don't have to agree with them at all. |
| "All these characters are stupid because they can't see what we, the viewers who are watching this story play out in detail from the killer's perspective, see." Are you for real? |
clomapni said: Florete said: It's still infuriating. "All these characters are stupid because they can't see what we, the viewers who are watching this story play out in detail from the killer's perspective, see." Are you for real? The rest of the characters don't seem to make any real effort to know what is really happening on the island. When are the gears finally going to get into motion ? Until everyone is dead ? How come Kyouya doesn't have a single sympathizer ? Wouldn't that make things more interesting ? Am I supposed to find the series perfect and not have any criticisms of my own ? Don't get me wrong I'm liking the show but there's certain aspects of it that I'm not that fond of. I have criticisms of the show myself. Not every criticism is a good one. |
| You know people do believe that 5g causes corona, so it's not surprising to see people believe the stuff written in their textbooks. Don't majority of people believe in a God who's mentioned in their books? Let me tell you, if this show wasn't shown from the perspective of Nana, none of you could guess she's the killer. |
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salarx said: I didn't mention examples outright, but yeah, these are the kinds of beliefs I was referring to.You know people do believe that 5g causes corona, so it's not surprising to see people believe the stuff written in their textbooks. Don't majority of people believe in a God who's mentioned in their books? Let me tell you, if this show wasn't shown from the perspective of Nana, none of you could guess she's the killer. There is actually a bit more discussion later on in the manga about how people believe what they want to believe instead of asking inconvenient questions. They believe in the things that suit their worldview instead of what would be rational. |
| keep in mind you will be working under the belief that invisible monsters are real if you were one of the superpowered kids on the island. your post already seems to be starting with the assumption that the killer is one of the students and not the enemies of humanity that everyone in the class has been conditioned to believe in |
Aure0linDec 21, 2020 8:30 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| those first few sentences sound like a pretty good way to get yourself killed early on. there's a reason why "safety in numbers" is more than just a saying. unless you're immortal, it would be pretty easy for the reclusive student to get picked off without anyone noticing. you say people would be dying elsewhere while you could be the inconvenient first death. even if you started catching on that people were dying, you could get killed before you even figure out that there arent invisible monsters around. you're not an outside observer, so how are you going to take steps to ensure your own survival? and assuming that those traps work as intended instead of malfunctioning or getting sabotaged by nana, i'm not sure how a few days/weeks worth of evidence of monsters not specifically going after you would trump a lifetime of being told that invisible monsters exist, especially when they're the reason for you being at a special academy for killing them. |
Aure0linDec 22, 2020 5:41 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| given that you arent attacked by invisible monsters, the only reasonable conclusion you could come to with your trap idea is that monsters aren't specifically coming after you. it says nothing about the non-existence of those monsters, and the hypothetical version of you that was conditioned from birth to believe that these monsters exist would more likely prefer the explanation that goes along with that worldview. |
Aure0linDec 22, 2020 11:22 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
Sku_Te said: So if I see no lions today, lions can't exist? Come on.At some point empirical observation must come up with one of two results ; There are monsters or there aren't. If it's the former, then, it would be time to mount some sort of counter-strike hopefully with as many other people as possible, and then bask in the glory of being Hopefully glorious victory. And if it's the second, whilst it would could well be a shock, the evidence wouldn't lie. At which everything would need to be re-evaluated What would the traps even be like? Sticks and rope? Hidden cameras? Firing wide-area attacks at the woods randomly? And you are assuming that people actually trust empirical evidence over their indoctrination and other convenient beliefs. Take a look at the kinds of things real-life people believe in. |
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