Vinland Saga
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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- What a story from Cordelia. Just goes to show how cruel the Viking World can really be. |
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| Damn, Stark beat me to it this month with the thread. Chapter started kinda boring ngl, then picked up once we got into the meat of Cordelia's story. For a monthly series, the last couple chapters have felt rather light and short, so hopefully that picks up soon as we start making our way into the final arc. Really feel bad for Cordelia and it will be interesting to see how they wiggle yet another precious possession away from Halfdan. Pretty obvious that she's also Thorkell's daughter. |
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| I really liked the backstory for Cordelia it was pretty funny and absurd especially because she's Thorkell's child but touching at the same time, Hope that we will go to Vinland soon but with how slow the chapters right now and how many plot points there are still to cover I can't see it happening any time soon. |
| Why, why why why why why why why why.... WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cordelia, Havarr or whatever genderbend u are... u deserve to be free! |
| Cordelia must be protected never thought I would say that about a Thorkell's relative |
| What a nosedive this series has done. Can't believe Yukimura skipped Greece for this garbage. |
GreenEmu said: nothing happened in greeceWhat a nosedive this series has done. Can't believe Yukimura skipped Greece for this garbage. |
| 4/5 chapter. needs more moe. |
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| I can't even begin to imagine what sex with Thorkell must have been like. If Thorkell approaches sex like he approaches battles, I'm surprised the woman lived to give birth to Cordelia. |
 "Are you intoxicated, or just insane?" |
| I feel like i'm hallucinatig in the whole chapter. It's hilarious to see a gendbend son of thorkell. She deserves to be free '-') |
  Wandering Witch is the best light novel ever! |
| I haven't logged in here for months. But I had to ask the obvious question... what the actually fuck is this? Does the author really want to sell the story of a mother lying to her son for his ENTIRE life, manipulating him into thinking he is a girl while never having the chance to "try out being a boy just once" as something positive or good? Wtf. Maybe he would have liked playing with other boys in the dirt, maybe he would have liked being a farmer or fisherman or maybe he would have liked building useful stuff out of wood or fixing broken parts of village houses. I don't know what I just read. This is just horrible child abuse. He never agreed to being raised as a girl. At least show him both ways how to live and give him the chance to decide what he likes more, if he prefers being a girl so be it. But not giving him any chance to finding out himself... is incredibly cruel. Not "funny" at all like the author tries to picture it. Vinland Saga used to be a fantasy/darkfantasy/historical manga - not this. Like welcum2savage wrote, this is satire. Wtf. That chapter was even worse than the final one of Katekyou Hitman Reborn! and that latter chapter almost ruined the entire manga for me. |
| 1/5 this manga become a joke |
| people that think cordelia is a joke character didn't understand nothing about this series. |
Tanooshii said: children do not have the authority to agree on what lifestyle they live in, precisely because children are impulsive and cling to easy living, which is why only when they mature, can they decide what to do. The choice of the mother remains objectively wrong and somewhat reckless, Havarr does not seem to be the type to repudiate his own growth through her, but I see this as a gateway to develop the character, a child will not have the maturity in choice that can be having when older It really depends on the child tbh. If a child tries out all sorts of things, it can and will eventually understand what is the most enjoyable and satisfactorily way to live for him or her. Even though I'm female, my hobbies were always more boyish than those of other girls around me. I play games since I was 7, prefer sneakers over high heels, watch mainly male Youtubers, or prefer to help my dad out in the garden rather than my mom in the kitchen. But nobody stopped me from exploring different things. It was completely right of Havarr's mom to hide his gender from his warmongering dad to protect him, I understand that, but to hide the truth from the kid himself and lock his path in the direction she wanted it to be, was not okay. Tanooshii said: I think this is the stage in which Havarr chooses who he wants to be, what can be applied here is a backstory, to generate momentum for the actions of the present. I sincerely hope you are right. If they explore the character more and go beyond the "joke" trope of a muscular man with female tendencies, I'm all for it. But make it believable, don't make it look like a silly, nonsensical joke. The entire setting of this manga contradicts this character atm. He and the reactions towards him (at least right now) feel completely out of place. This is not a mmorpg or comedic-fantasy manga. But it feels like one rn. |
welcum2savage said: thorkell is the joke character in this chapter not cordelia and the manga is far more deep and mature now than in the prologue.nanashi796 said: people think cordelia is a joke character bc thats literally how yukimura portrays her. Im sorry but this manga isnt the dark gritty seinen it used to be.people that think cordelia is a joke character didn't understand nothing about this series. how is cordelia a joke character, this page sums up what vinland saga is all about  and btw baltic war arc have some of the best and deep pages of all the manga like this one,this is mature.  |
nanashi796Jan 26, 2020 9:21 AM
| A bit different to what I'm used to in Vinland Saga, but considering Thorfinn's message and where he wants to end this, it makes sense I suppose |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Marinate1016 said: For a monthly series, the last couple chapters have felt rather light and short, so hopefully that picks up soon as we start making our way into the final arc.. If you look closely, you'll realize that this happens on the other arcs too: the beggining is slow, but soon enough the pacing gets rolling. We just have to wait for it a bit, I guess, haha |
| Dropping this goofy character into the cast and then expecting me to take her backstory seriously is massively foolish move. I somehow feel like it will degrade even more after they start the journey but I really hope that the manga will get back on track with it's mood once they set sail to Vinland. |
midascruzerJan 28, 2020 9:11 AM
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| i get that cordelia's supposed to be a serious character but her design makes it hard for me to take her seriously. |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
| I can see that Cordelia gender might be an issue for some people but it doesn’t really matter, her strength is needed in Vinland. I can also imagine her meeting Thorkell at some point. |
mneav3 said: I can see that Cordelia gender might be an issue for some people but it doesn’t really matter, her strength is needed in Vinland. I can also imagine her meeting Thorkell at some point. It's not about her gender. She was introduced like a clown. Can you really imagine this scenario in a viking setting? It could have been a man with her demeanor and the results would have been the same. It really was played off as a joke. I mean she has stubble and presumably a manly voice.... |
midascruzerJan 28, 2020 9:18 AM
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| I loved when Yukimura wrote a nuanced discution about violence in farmland with the contrast of Thorfinn and Canute, now this chapter was an example of a badly written conflict, there's a clear line between good and evil here and the reaction of the characters to Cordelia was unnatural to the setting. I know Yukimura is capable of writting a far better script, so I hope this arc will be at least interesting. |
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GreenEmu said: What a nosedive this series has done. Can't believe Yukimura skipped Greece for this garbage. Right ? What the hell has happened to Vinland ?? You're telling me Thorkell didn't have enough brain cells to check if his own child has a god damn penis between his legs ? Ridiculous. |
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| Lmao i thought this was a fake chapter made by some fan to troll readers. What a joke this has become |
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nanashi796 said: welcum2savage said: thorkell is the joke character in this chapter not cordelia and the manga is far more deep and mature now than in the prologue.people think cordelia is a joke character bc thats literally how yukimura portrays her. Im sorry but this manga isnt the dark gritty seinen it used to be. how is cordelia a joke character, this page sums up what vinland saga is all about and btw baltic war arc have some of the best and deep pages of all the manga like this one,this is mature. What i think many people have a problem with is the change of tone in the series. Cordelia is a joke character even if her themes fit the story, just look at her design and her introduction. The backstory was neat but its the same with the introduction of Hild and more of the later introduced characters, i need to see more before i judge. For now i think this was one of the worst chapters of the whole series. Comedy never was a strong side anyway. To the 2nd panel you posted, i think that literally says nothing about how "deep" the baltic sea arc was. Most basic war movies have scenes like that and that scene does nothing special,taking 2 characters no one cares about is not deep, even god damn Battlefield 1 had a scene like that in the tutorial. |
-Mullerio-Jan 31, 2020 1:09 PM
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Mullerio said: the tone of the series reflects thorfinn emotional state at that moment,who judge a character by the design and introduction is an idiot,that second panel is a masterpiece it sums up all the themes of the manga in one page.nanashi796 said: thorkell is the joke character in this chapter not cordelia and the manga is far more deep and mature now than in the prologue. how is cordelia a joke character, this page sums up what vinland saga is all about and btw baltic war arc have some of the best and deep pages of all the manga like this one,this is mature. What i think many people have a problem with is the change of tone in the series. Cordelia is a joke character even if her themes fit the story, just look at her design and her introduction. The backstory was neat but its the same with the introduction of Hild and more of the later introduced characters, i need to see more before i judge. For now i think this was one of the worst chapters of the whole series. Comedy never was a strong side anyway. To the 2nd panel you posted, i think that literally says nothing about how "deep" the baltic sea arc was. Most basic war movies have scenes like that and that scene does nothing special,taking 2 characters no one cares about is not deep, even god damn Battlefield 1 had a scene like that in the tutorial. this is thorfinn right now  |
nanashi796Jan 31, 2020 2:13 PM
nanashi796 said: this is thorfinn right now Thorfinn character development is insane 😭😩❤️ |
| Thorkell's illustration was pretty hilarious. Good chapter. I can see why people think of Cordelia as a joke, but how is a biological son of Thorkell that was raised as a girl supposed to look like. I admit that her gestic while eating the soup and the reactions were an amusing gag, but that's about it. Her story is interesting and ties in well into the themes. Looking forward to more. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
welcum2savage said: how can you admit to be the idiot in the argument and then call the other person an idiot as well.nanashi796 said: ok if cordelia doesnt end up as a comic relief character ill admit that you were right and im an idiot. And vice versa. Hows that?the tone of the series reflects thorfinn emotional state at that moment,who judge a character by the design and introduction is an idiot,that second panel is a masterpiece it sums up all the themes of the manga in one page. this is thorfinn right now |
Black_Sheep97 said: Hatsuyuki said: he probably didn't care enough to look at that stuff which fits his character.Right ? What the hell has happened to Vinland ?? You're telling me Thorkell didn't have enough brain cells to check if his own child has a god damn penis between his legs ? Ridiculous. He may be a war loving maniac but I assure you, he's not a moron. |
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Black_Sheep97 said: GVG said: what was so bad about the reaction of the characters to cordelia circumstances?I loved when Yukimura wrote a nuanced discution about violence in farmland with the contrast of Thorfinn and Canute, now this chapter was an example of a badly written conflict, there's a clear line between good and evil here and the reaction of the characters to Cordelia was unnatural to the setting. I know Yukimura is capable of writting a far better script, so I hope this arc will be at least interesting. they're in the 11th century, an age where even the most liberal man is a conservative in the eyes of the modern world , why they should accept a trans character, even nowadays most of people think it's strange subject. |
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| I finally caught up after binging this for a week . Great manga I just wish this manga also focused more on Canute I love the first two arcs very much and third arc has its moments not that great but still good but I don't like this sudden timeskip and what's happening right now I wish writer make this more realistic like it was before instead of making it happy go lucky adventure |
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1Kyo said: Definitely doesn't make sense how people treat Cordelia as a "joke" character. Nothing here is meant as a joke. This chapter told the tale of a mother who lied in order to protect her child from the duties of a man that would take him away from her, and a child who was grateful to his mother for doing so. It explored transexuality and the bizarre circumstances in the 11th century it originated from. I have no idea how the people hating on Corderlia are picturing a non-joke character design of a transexual son of Thorkell. Anyone who thinks Cordelia is a joke, please enlighten me on how you think he was supposed to look like. Areesha33 said: I finally caught up after binging this for a week . Great manga I just wish this manga also focused more on Canute I love the first two arcs very much and third arc has its moments not that great but still good but I don't like this sudden timeskip and what's happening right now I wish writer make this more realistic like it was before instead of making it happy go lucky adventure We most likely won't be seeing a lot of Canute. We may never actually see him again. His character is concluded, and he plays no further role in the story of Vinland Saga. If that happens then I will definitely get disappointed I know Canute has no role regarding the story related to Vinland Saga but since author introduced him into the story he should conclude his story by making a small arc focusing him and whatever he does in his lifetime. Thorfinn is the MC so I understand he don't want to focus too much on other characters but from the start I thought this story is about how two different people develops and become different how they used to and they both are trying to make this world paradise but by using different methods so author can't abandon his story now after building it up so nicely |
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GVG said: Black_Sheep97 said: what was so bad about the reaction of the characters to cordelia circumstances? they're in the 11th century, an age where even the most liberal man is a conservative in the eyes of the modern world , why they should accept a trans character, even nowadays most of people think it's strange subject. trans people have always existed throughout history tbh I don't know how viking societies used to handle this subject and its nuances but it is known that transgender identity is not a recent thing |
1Kyo said: Yeah, I agree. Halvor is a tragic character who was brainwashed by his mother and led to believe that he is a girl, even though he has grown into such a strong man like Thorkell wished him to. Definitely doesn't make sense how people treat Cordelia as a "joke" character. Nothing here is meant as a joke. This chapter told the tale of a mother who lied in order to protect her child from the duties of a man that would take him away from her, and a child who was grateful to his mother for doing so. It explored transexuality and the bizarre circumstances in the 11th century it originated from. I have no idea how the people hating on Corderlia are picturing a non-joke character design of a transexual son of Thorkell. Anyone who thinks Cordelia is a joke, please enlighten me on how you think he was supposed to look like. I think his character arc would revolve around his realization that being a strong man is not always about being a war-loving maniac like his father is nor dying pointlessly in battle like his mother thought. Well, being a true warrior has always been a recurring theme since the beginning of this series after all, so I believe his upcoming adventure in Vinland with Thorfinn and co. would make way for some good character development. |
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| Wait, so is the story real? |
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