Vampire Knight Chapter 54 Discussion

Lumi-chan said:
Oh damn, is Yuuki really still thinking about Zero? I though she was over it already ¬¬

AoiMemori said:
so, let's all watch yuuki pine for zero, shall we?

Aureole said:

Sara is going to try to kill Kaname!!

GothicQueen said:

Erm....no.
Cause that would make Kaname suffer too... :(

ah_18 said:
This whole pureblood vs less pure vampires society thingie makes me slightly annoyed. The almighty and "good" intentioned pureblood royalties are only victims of the vampires who yearn for power. *cough* That THEY created from beginning on.
I know Hakura and Juuri were pretty much shown as the ultimate good guys, but is this really it. Do not the royalties have dark pasts themselves? Are only the vampires yearning for power, are they the only ones at fault here? I wanna know if the purebloods really are goin' to be shown as the "pure" ones, or if it's something dark hidden.
If anyone knows what I mean. -__-

Aeterna said:

I liked various aspects of this chapter, but the whole Purebloods v.s. Power-hungry nobles part annoyed me just a bit. It almost felt like Hino-sensei wanted to play the sympathy card, to get us to like Kaname and Yuuki because they appear to be the ultimate victims in the drama that is Vampire Knight. Don't get me wrong - they are victims, but as ah_18 pointed out, don't the Kurans have dark pasts, as well? The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin). Moreover, if there are vampires who are as loyal to Kaname as Aidou, Ruka, and Kain, it seems a bit weird to see just those vampires who are the opposite, almost as if it's just "black and white" with no in-between shades of grey.

dury said:

I can enjoy a good oniisama story with the best of them, but it looks like that guy has spent the last year reducing Yuuki to emotional jelly with forced seclusion and over-bearing "concern" and she's gone along with it (which doesn't make me a Yuuki fan any longer)...

Masochistic fans of Kaname are irksome.

Starrlightx3 said:
And what's that about Sara killing Kaname? ... :D!!
pshh, I wish, right?

Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.

PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.

DrHouse said:


lol, I'm not really sure how you can possibly say that things are black and white in VK morally speaking because all I see are shades of gray. I can sort of understand how you could say that this chapter has been unfairly biased against the noble vampires but Kaname's night class noble vampires weren't evil so obviously Kaname is making a generalization so Yuki will keep her guard up. Your also forgeting that the first vampire that wanted to drain Yuki was Rido who was a pureblood and he also drained other vampires as well. The only reason Yuki and Kaname don't want to drink the vampire nobles blood is because they would rather have each others blood. Yagari even mentioned that even the humans wanted to drink the night classes blood so they could would get their longevity.

What I could see is you mistaking the two different sides as being good and evil. But of course there are vampires of all levels and even vampire hunters on both the royalist and genrounist sides too so you can't divide them that way. The royalists can't even claim the moral high ground because Kaname is so manipulative and generally has to use a lot of underhanded tactics to gain pawns to use in his game. He also severely sets back the chairmans attempt to get peace between humans and vampires. Not to mention that it is also pointed out several times that by destroying the council he has unleashed all the vampires it previously had kept in check on the humans. Really the two sides are much more of a them vs us than a good vs evil.

ah_18 said:
It's not like that GothicQueen. I dare to say that I and Aeterna are making attempts to understand the plot better, and it's good some do try to explain it from more angles, like DrHouse. I'ts not all about Kaname. :)

Aeternap said:
The whole "the nobles are out to get us" bit seemed to be an attempt to justify Kaname's actions in the past (e.g. massacring the Genrouin).

ah_18 said:
Btw, why does Sara (and Shizuka) have another lastname although she is a pureblood? Maybe it's a stupid question, but still, if anybody cares to explain?

Lumi-chan said:

Since Yuuki left that I see a whole lot of potencial in those two.. x3
I actually believe it's the only couple I'm really rooting for.

Cenedess said:
Same here. Rima(or what's her face)xSenri somehow doesn't make me squeal, YuukixKaname simply squicks me to no end, and the rest...I don't think there are any more o.O

GothicQueen said:

Hm, no, not really. You can never justify murder, but every big change was followed by a bloodshed.
There's no way that he could actually make a difference If any of them was left alive. It might sound cruel, but that's they way it is. :(

(I would normally never support that, but none of this is real anyway so...XD)

However.
I'm not trying to make you sympathize with Kaname just cause I do. That wasn't my point. I' always trying to be objective and see the situation from every point of view (just cause I won't post some of It, doesn't mean that I can't see it XD)

Kamadaki said:
Damn straight, he shoved that dirty, pureblood, incest ridden hand off.

Bitch.

Zero was full of hawt though.

GothicQueen said:

I know. And I never said that (:

GothicQueen said:

There isn't only one Pureblood family^^
There are more, that's why they have different last names^^

Cenedess said:
I see great potential in YorixZero. I have spoken.

PLEASE LET IT BE YORIxZERO IN THE END.

Aeterna said:

KainxRuka? D:

ahin said:


Amen to that :D
(Though, I like the idea of AidouxYori too. 8D)

Aeterna said:
Still, I was only pointing out the "this chapter justifies Kaname's actions" bit because of that seemingly strict division between the "them v.s. us". That whole, big group of nobles who have no good intentions for Kaname and Yuuki make it seem like we should like them due to sympathy. I don't exactly find this to be the greatest method of trying to get people to like certain characters. Sure, it can help their cause, but in the end, I'd rather see good character development and such. For example, I don't like the way in which Yuuki's character has developed since the end of the Ridou arc, and playing up my sympathy doesn't change that view that I have of her and, actually, only served to annoy me (hence, the reason why this aspect of the chapter I felt was poorly done).

MallyMalMal said:

Hell yeah! I used to like Yuuki a lot but meh, she's just straight up annoying now. She's basically Kaname's obedient little bitch. Although, I still hope she realizes Kaname's a douche by the end of the manga and get back with Zero. I wouldn't mind the whole ZeroxYori pairing though either.

ah_18 said:
One more note to DrHouse,'s post -haha, it would take an essential plot ingredient if there wasn't this love triangle anymore. And from greatest love comes greatest hate (like in Skip Beat! xD) so truth is, although Zero said he'd kill her, it doesn't make the love die.

Aureole said:
Sara is going to try to kill Kaname!! Banzai!!

Akarei said:

She should kill Yuki first. I'd love to see her die.

Cenedess said:

Huh? D: Ruka wanted Kaname...

ah_18 said:

I know there are several families yet.. Aren't purebloods meant to have intersibling marriages, 'cause even though Shiki has a pureblood father, he is considered only a noble. It just got me thinking why not all purebloods are Kurans, if the first vampire ever was a Kuran and then they had sibling marriages. Were more vampires created afterwards, without the first ancestor to bite them, but by own (some weird) means like it happened for the first one? Maybe we'll find out later.

DrHouse said:
I'm not sure what you mean but I do agree with you that Yuki needs to change. Yuki has always been completely useless. Even from the very start when she got into a confrontation with Aido trying to protect a couple of students. Instead of whacking him with her electrostaff or at least kicking him she just gives up without a fight and lets him bite her until Zero shows up and saves her. Even with Zero she rarely ever made even a snarky comment when he acted like a complete jerk to her. Her helplessness even reached an absurd level when she couldn't even ask Kaname a question much less get him to answer without Zero's help.

At least now that she's acknowledged how pathetic she acts maybe she can change something. That's what I was hoping becoming a vampire and no longer being kept in the dark would do to her when she got a gigantic scythe and weird vampire superpowers. But it appears she is surpressing her inner vampire so she's still just as wimpy as before.

Aeterna said:
I know what you mean. Yuuki has never been my favourite character, but even so, I liked her personality better before, even if it still made her useless. Before, she showed a wide range of emotions - happiness, anger, sadness, etc. - but now, she just has these big, sad eyes all the time and it aggravates me to no end. I said this before in another discussion, but I'll say it again: I think Hino-sensei is trying to give Yuuki an aura of vampiric beauty, but as a result, she's looking like a long-haired, bigger-eyed version of Kaname.

Aeterna said:
Even before Yuuki's change to a Pureblood, at least she tried to do things for herself, such as supporting Zero as a vampire, defending Zero from Yagari, trying to confront her past, etc. Ever since the end of the Ridou arc, however, Yuuki hasn't really done much of anything except mope around and be treated like a princess (which she technically is, but even so, she can't even do her own toenails..?!)

ah_18 said:

I know there are several families yet.. Aren't purebloods meant to have intersibling marriages, 'cause even though Shiki has a pureblood father, he is considered only a noble. It just got me thinking why not all purebloods are Kurans, if the first vampire ever was a Kuran and then they had sibling marriages. Were more vampires created afterwards, without the first ancestor to bite them, but by own (some weird) means like it happened for the first one? Maybe we'll find out later.

DrHouse said:
To be fair to Yuuki she has been learning etiquette and diplomacy from Aido for the past year. Half of this chapter was devoted to explaining why she needed to be able to appear capable to the vampire nobles. I was pleasantly surprised when she actually did not screw everything up at the ball as she has done almost 100% percent of the time in the past. I think she did very well considering how creepy they were being. She also managed to diffuse the potentially very dangerous situation between Zero and Sara even though Yori was the center of it and she probably wanted to side with Zero. All the nobles were watching and commenting on how she handled the situation so her siding with Zero would have been a very bad idea.

I think the new Yuki is an improvement except for the increase in angst. Actually I thought her overcheerfulness before clashed with the setting of VK too much but new Yuki is overcompensating. I'm also disappointed because Kaname still has not told her much at all about what his plan is and she still cannot protect herself despite being a pureblood. I'm hoping that Hino may choose to continue going towards changing that but it'll never happen if Zeki fans get their way.