Who's evil?

The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)

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Tanya or Being X?

Tanya

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Mar 24, 2017 4:00 PM

ExplodingGirl

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Being X is a MAAAAAASSSSIIIIVEEEE hypocrite.

Tanya is evil for following protocols but the person who murdered him is a good guy? (Like the movie Drag Me To Hell)

For all we could care, he's just using his EVILNESS as pretense to further his selfish goal. Is Tanya really evil, or is it Being X all along?

This Being X is killing for only he knows how many billions or trillions of life across only he knows how many worlds so that he could be worshiped again by the very lives he's toying with.

What a sick psychofuck. God? He's the fucking DEVIL. Either that or maybe the devil is really the good guy and we're brainwashed to be believe otherwise.

Seriously, I would love Tanya to slap and corner this Being X with pure logic in a debate. Or maybe she rise in power and kill Being X for good. (pretty much like the game God of War)

Mar 24, 2017 4:41 PM

Takuan_Soho

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SigOpram said:
For all we could care, he's just using his EVILNESS as pretense to further his selfish goal. Is Tanya really evil, or is it Being X all along?

That is the premise of the entire show. No answer yet. But I think Being X put Tanya in a world where her morals hold sway. Efficiency and following society's rules towards the path of least resistance. Notice the title of this episode.

SigOpram said:
This Being X is killing for only he knows how many billions or trillions of life across only he knows how many worlds so that he could be worshiped again by the very lives he's toying with.

You are assuming that all the people in this world are real and not a figment of Salaryman's imagination that either Salaryman invented right before his death OR that Being X created to show how Salaryman's thinking is wrong.

SigOpram said:
What a sick psychofuck. God? He's the fucking DEVIL. Either that or maybe the devil is really the good guy and we're brainwashed to be believe otherwise.

Ah, in Gnosticism the God of the Hebrew Bible is the devil, he is called the Demiurge, he is a fake god that thinks he created our Universe. The point of Gnosticism is to transcend this world and to rejoin God. This world is merely a sick illusion that we can escape once we recognize it for what it is.

SigOpram said:
Seriously, I would love Tanya to slap and corner this Being X with pure logic in a debate. Or maybe she rise in power and kill Being X for good. (pretty much like the game God of War)

Not force, the final battle, if there is one, will be philosophical.

Note that Tanya didn't want the war to end because she thinks war is bad, she wanted the war to end because she thinks war is inefficient and she doesn't want to risk her life.

Mar 24, 2017 6:21 PM

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Can I just say both comments 1 and 2 are really great speeches that make you think of things beyond the anime itself, and that they add an element to viewer experience that makes it all the richer either way. Good one guys.

Comment #1

SigOpram said:
Being X is a MAAAAAASSSSIIIIVEEEE hypocrite.

For all we could care, he's just using his EVILNESS as pretense to further his selfish goal. Is Tanya really evil, or is it Being X all along?

This Being X is killing for only he knows how many billions or trillions of life across only he knows how many worlds so that he could be worshiped again by the very lives he's toying with.

What a sick psycho. God? He's the ****ing DEVIL. Either that or maybe the devil is really the good guy and we're brainwashed to be believe otherwise.

Seriously, I would love Tanya to corner and slap this Being X with pure logic in a debate. Or maybe she'll rise in power and kill Being X for good.

Comment #2 (In response to Comment #1's)

Takuan_Soho said:

That is the premise of the entire show. No answer yet. But I think Being X put Tanya in a world where her morals hold sway. Efficiency and following society's rules towards the path of least resistance. Notice the title of this episode.

SigOpram said:
What a sick psychofuck. God? He's the fucking DEVIL. Either that or maybe the devil is really the good guy and we're brainwashed to be believe otherwise.

My conclusion: Let's get more posts and people like these two to give the MAL community more topics that really challenge us to take serious looks at the inter workings of great anime!

Mar 24, 2017 7:52 PM

Takuan_Soho

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Zoros2 said:
My conclusion: Let's get more posts and people like these two to give the MAL community more topics that really challenge us to take serious looks at the inter workings of great anime!

Thank you, that is one of the nicest complaints I have ever received in my life.

Mar 24, 2017 8:57 PM

elkensteyin

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Heh - interesting byplay

I've known, and even been friends, with people like the previous life of Tanya. They're not really evil - just amoral or so caught up in the business (or government) that they don't understand right or wrong - only following orders.

However, I have a different take on things. Go back to a couple things Being X said - 1) he's unable to manage 7 billion souls anymore. 2) early in the manga, he decides to try something and creates the world that Tanya is in. So in essence, he's not really throwing people away to kill Tanya - he's using some of those excess souls in a world of his creation to "teach her a lesson", after which those sould are reincarnated again in the real world... I guess.

So while I consider Being X to be the truly evil one (if you read my previous posts - I've always maintained that Tanya is not actually evil - just amoral), I didn't think Being X was a nihilist until he got impatient and decided to turn the whole world against Tanya. Now, he really has become that which in anathema to what he says he really is.

Mar 25, 2017 2:59 AM

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As it's been said before, Tanya isn't evil, she's amoral. She hates war and pointless wastes of lives, she praises humanity's technological advancements and adherence to rules as the root of peace, which is why she clings to fiercely to them.

That being said, Being X really isn't evil either, as shocking as that might sound. Sure, if we judge him by our standards he's a complete tyrant with absolutely no concern for human lives and happiness... but that standard is based on the fact we're mortal and only have the one life (and the finite amount of happiness contained within) to be concerned about.

But consider Being X's perspective: he's immortal and knows exactly what happens to souls after death. Someone suffering and dying within one lifetime is nothing compared to the thousands, or millions, or however many lifetimes their soul experiences throughout the cycle of reincarnation; pain and death are temporary conditions to Being X, conditions he can undo on a whim, so deliberately inflicting one lifetime's worth of hardship on a single soul as an experiment to learn how to better guide all the other souls for the rest of eternity is... pretty insignificant.

He's still a dick about it though.

Mar 25, 2017 11:53 AM

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Assuming that the "God" in this show is the person who created morality in that world, can he be evil? That being said I thnk Tanya is more amoral than evil and I think that is true for "God" too.

Mar 25, 2017 5:14 PM

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[quote=elkensteyin message=501018991) he's unable to manage 7 billion souls anymore. 2) early in the manga, he decides to try something and creates the world that Tanya is in. So in essence, he's not really throwing people away to kill Tanya - he's using some of those excess souls in a world of his creation to "teach her a lesson", after which those sould are reincarnated again in the real world... I guess.[/quote]

On 1) I think it is interesting that Being X sounds exactly like Tanya - she loves to complain about how "overworked" she is. I don't think that is a coincidence.

On 2) It's an interesting difference between West and East, in the West there is no reincarnation. How you do in this world judges the next step in the afterlife - you either are good and go to heaven, or you are not and go to hell, but hell is not the permanent final end, one can, even in the 9th circle repent and truly confess their sins and go to heaven, but same in this life, people who end up in hell are still convinced that they were "right".

But in both, you are right, this life is NOT the final end. Pain and suffering get redeeming in the next life, so for a god, who knows this, he only sets the situations to allow people to overcome their situations: the more they overcome, the greater the accomplishment and reward. God did not "start" the wars, the various countries did. Outside of his testing Tanya, and bringing back Sioux, God really hasn't tampered too much. This is all based on HUMAN decisions.

Mar 26, 2017 2:37 PM

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Takuan_Soho said:

SigOpram said:
What a sick psychofuck. God? He's the fucking DEVIL. Either that or maybe the devil is really the good guy and we're brainwashed to be believe otherwise.

We truly are living in the end times :)
People have fallen away so much, calling what is good evil and what is evil good... Just as prophesied...
So perverse its disgusting...

aphtonMar 26, 2017 2:42 PM

Mar 31, 2017 9:52 AM

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Shit i voted Tanya by mistake when i meant to vote for Being X, hate the bastard and Tanya's a badass, i think a lot like her as well. The ending of the last episode was awesome i loved her speech about god and the battlefield

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Oct 6, 2019 2:17 AM

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Hey guys i hate dealing with 7 billion people dying, but ill give you super powers so you can kill more.... oh hey im god, worship me.

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