This Anime is pretty good.

DarkSageRK said:
Pretty sure only racists hate this show.

DarkSageRK said:
Pretty sure only racists hate this show.

KreatorX said:
Good to hear that so give it a 9 or 10, no one is stopping you.

You're having fun with the show, others presumably aren't. Their loss, your gain. What exactly is the issue?

Rapperk said:


The only issue i see here is how rude you are...(sorry if i'm wrong, but that's what i feel when i read your comment).

He only asked why so many people gave it a low rating since its a good show (in his opinion), i dont see a problem and its a legit question. Dont need to talk like that to him...It is probably better to just ignore than saying it like that, but thats just my opinion. (that ofc can be wrong).

Zei33 said:
Everyone's a fucking critic. It's the same with anything of high quality. If this was any average anime, nobody would bat an eye. Just look at Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai. It's literally the most average anime I've ever watched and it has a 7.21.

People are just hypercritical of this one because it tries to go beyond the normal. Western anime fans are ridiculous when it comes to anything they perceive as 'popular'. SAO was very popular when it first aired, which meant that it was "the worst thing anime has ever done".

There's always assholes who have to go against the grain and rate something as low as possible. Look at any popular anime and you're going to find people that hate it with a passion, for essentially no reason.

This isn't just anime either, you can see it in any nerdy medium. My favourite was World of Warcraft. Super popular at its peak and still the most played MMO in the world. Yet there was a massive hate train primarily made up of people who had never even played it.

How about movies? Avatar, the worlds top selling movie, widely positive reviews, yet if you got look at metacritic, there are a whole hosts of 1s and 0s.

I don't know if it's some innate desire to try and bring other people's enjoyment down, or some people just can't stand to see something that effort was put into become popular.

Zei33 said:
Everyone's a fucking critic. It's the same with anything of high quality. If this was any average anime, nobody would bat an eye. Just look at Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai. It's literally the most average anime I've ever watched and it has a 7.21.

People are just hypercritical of this one because it tries to go beyond the normal. Western anime fans are ridiculous when it comes to anything they perceive as 'popular'. SAO was very popular when it first aired, which meant that it was "the worst thing anime has ever done".

There's always assholes who have to go against the grain and rate something as low as possible. Look at any popular anime and you're going to find people that hate it with a passion, for essentially no reason.

This isn't just anime either, you can see it in any nerdy medium. My favourite was World of Warcraft. Super popular at its peak and still the most played MMO in the world. Yet there was a massive hate train primarily made up of people who had never even played it.

How about movies? Avatar, the worlds top selling movie, widely positive reviews, yet if you got look at metacritic, there are a whole hosts of 1s and 0s.

I don't know if it's some innate desire to try and bring other people's enjoyment down, or some people just can't stand to see something that effort was put into become popular.

KreatorX said:

I am unable to comprehend how it could even come across as rude but oh well. I don't even see a problem in the first place.

OP didn't frame a topic question . Then goes on to say the show is good because he/she is interested in it but provides no reason to a reader as to why. That is not an indicator of starting a discussion.

I don't know his/her intent for starting the 'discussion', which is why I asked for a clarification on what is the real issue. If the intent was to know why people gave it a low rating then I gave my justification for that but surely there might be more to that simple question.

If just an opinion is to be vented, that is what writing reviews are for :)

SoloJaxy said:


I agree with KreatorX, actually. My impression of KreatorX's first response is that opinions vary and it is probably pointless to try to convince naysayers to become yeasayers because it's "their loss, your gain". That said, people are entitled to their own opinions, and it is precisely because people have varying opinions that we get misunderstood often. Sometimes, we try to force our opinions on others as 'fact' (I admit doing so as well), but now I'm having second thoughts—after all, it's "their loss, your gain". Having said that, if we never do try to force our opinions on others, then the world will be a quieter place—being either good (e.g. peaceful) or bad (e.g. boring).

Seeing Rapperk's response does make me wonder how KreatorX's words could have been perceived as being rude in the first place. Taking into account the fact (or was it my opinion?) that we often get misunderstood, there must be a reason why such a misunderstanding has taken place here. Perhaps the formality of the language used brought about a sense of elevated social status because 'proper grammar' was used. This seems a likely possibility given the lack of 'proper grammar' in Rapperk's response. (Formal language tends to create social distance and may sound 'fake' or, particularly in written/electronic text, may not appear 'spontaneous' or 'real'. This is why there's now less emphasis on 'proper grammar', at least for spoken English.)

Another possibility is that the succinctness (or bluntness) of KreatorX's response may appear confronting. In particular, "What exactly is the issue?" may sound demanding, and being demanding can be associated with being rude. A person who is demanding may be perceived as having a (self-proclaimed) higher social position and this can engender indignation in the recipient of such demand (imagine how you'd feel if someone bossed you around). Granted, this may be an example of taking things out of context.

Yet another possibility is a rather plausible one—KreatorX may have been perceived to be sarcastic, and usually sarcasm is associated with being rude. Indeed, it is commonplace for people to state that it is challenging to identify sarcasm in electronic/written text.

In any case, it is highly likely that Rapperk has experienced something similar in real life before, thus "that's what i feel when i read your comment". Of course, we would never know the truth unless Rapperk himself/herself/themself enlightens us. That said, Rapperk did apologise for potentially misunderstanding KreatorX. However, Rapperk did continue to express a strong opinion which to some (okay, I mean "to me") may also sound rude, not to mention "Dont need to talk like that to him" may sound demanding (because it is an imperative sentence) and, therefore, could be considered rude (in which case one may be accused of hypocrisy). Nonetheless, Rapperk did admit he/she/they could be wrong.

I would be interested to know the true reason for Rapperk's misunderstanding, granted KreatorX truly was unsarcastic... Not to be rude (haha), but this is my explanation for why I've just cast doubt on KreatorX (contradicting my first sentence such that I myself may be accused of hypocrisy?): If I were to be objective, I would have an ethical and moral obligation to accept both possibilities—Rapperk being wrong, and Rapperk being right. (By being this 'unbiased', I will likely draw ire from both Rapperk and KreatorX.) Anyhow, I think it is nigh impossible to be privy to the true truth—just as people's opinions vary, so do the world's truths. More accurately, I should say—people have differing opinions, so they have different perceptions of reality.

random1234567890 said:

First time reading a discussion on the site. The time and fervor people have for these kind of stuff has left me awestruck.

Huggykaze said:
Why do people even judge a show so early into its run? With some arguments here, I'd have to give Monogatari Series a 6/10 instead of solid 10, and Franx 10/10 instead of 6...

KreatorX said:

Pretty much this. Not surprising when people cream themselves and form full blown opinions on the entire series/season or a movie just from seeing the trailer alone.

Huggykaze said:
Why do people even judge a show so early into its run? With some arguments here, I'd have to give Monogatari Series a 6/10 instead of solid 10, and Franx 10/10 instead of 6...

MarioAk_ said:
The concepts come out of nowhere and are stupid and never explained.
There's no anticipation and really falls down into the "shock factor" category.
The direction is horrible, especially the use of the music, using Nu Metal while civilians are being killed is a really amateur and edgy decision made for some teen minded director.
They don't treat us as intelligent persons, because they need to repeat their ideas constantly.
And they even use some kind of Jojo's stands ripoff in bad CGI.
Is like Mahou Shoujo Tohkushen Asuka, but in a Victorian setting and even edgier.

Zei33 said:
Everyone's a fucking critic. It's the same with anything of high quality. If this was any average anime, nobody would bat an eye. Just look at Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai. It's literally the most average anime I've ever watched and it has a 7.21.

People are just hypercritical of this one because it tries to go beyond the normal. Western anime fans are ridiculous when it comes to anything they perceive as 'popular'. SAO was very popular when it first aired, which meant that it was "the worst thing anime has ever done".


There's always assholes who have to go against the grain and rate something as low as possible. Look at any popular anime and you're going to find people that hate it with a passion, for essentially no reason.

This isn't just anime either, you can see it in any nerdy medium. My favourite was World of Warcraft. Super popular at its peak and still the most played MMO in the world. Yet there was a massive hate train primarily made up of people who had never even played it.

How about movies? Avatar, the worlds top selling movie, widely positive reviews, yet if you got look at metacritic, there are a whole hosts of 1s and 0s.

I don't know if it's some innate desire to try and bring other people's enjoyment down, or some people just can't stand to see something that effort was put into become popular.

FuegoIndigo2 said:

I think we all have our own opinions on the matter. Your argument may be true but if something does not interest you or it feels like walking on nails to watch it, you can be critical about it. This time, it is not necessarily the same because people dropped it not because of animation or Cg but because it was boring and dull in presentation. These are sound arguments imo and if you thought they were not true and you enjoy the hell out of this show. Good for you. As for me it looks like it’s going to be another failed attempt to recreate Sirius but with stands instead of vampires so I will pass on it for now. I will wait till it ends to see if I will pick it up or not.

Huggykaze said:
what I would love to see is people not rating the series if they dropped it for subjective reasons, to me the largest part of any review and rating should be the objective and measurable stuff like whether the characters grow, whether the animation is steady and high quality etc. Personal enjoyment should be like 10% of the final score.