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Nov 14, 2017 7:24 PM

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I don't understand. Were we supposed to be surprised by the Astolfo "reveal"?
Like, was that supposed to be a huge revelation? lol

Jeanne and Fiore were very cute in this episode, btw.
Nov 14, 2017 8:20 PM
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Solid build up episode, but I still feel like the romance between Seig and Jeanne is to forced
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Nov 14, 2017 11:04 PM

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Who thinks does Shakespeare has any combat abilities?
Nov 14, 2017 11:43 PM

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Those interaction at the end between Ruler and Sieg...was that not Ruler talking to him but in fact the girl Ruler is possessing? I have a feeling some sort of convoluted "happy ending" is going to happen after the holy grail war where Ruler and all the other servants leave, and Sieg and the girl Ruler was possessing get together since it was just as much her as it was Ruler that Sieg was interacting with. I dunno, just a thought.
Nov 15, 2017 6:37 PM
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i can sense it already, since they have said it many times in this episode, "this will be the LAST BATTLE''. for sure next episodes will be a great one..

i also liked that they have revealed Astolfo's (rider) gender. hahahaha...
Nov 15, 2017 9:44 PM
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wait, wait... wait.

How or why could Fiore transfer the crest to Caules? Isn't it usually held by the head of the family and that person passes on all of that generational prowess to only one of his children, Wouldn't Darnic have been the one to hold the crest in the Yggdmilenia family?
Nov 15, 2017 10:58 PM

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They brought up how the Fiore can't stomach people dying, and then Caules brings up their dead dog when 3 of their family members are already dead. They don't even get brought up lmao.

This whole episode was buildup just for another recap episode this weekend :/
Nov 16, 2017 12:29 AM

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pillsburyXV said:
wait, wait... wait.

How or why could Fiore transfer the crest to Caules? Isn't it usually held by the head of the family and that person passes on all of that generational prowess to only one of his children, Wouldn't Darnic have been the one to hold the crest in the Yggdmilenia family?


Ando answered about the choice Fiore made.
Talking about the technical aspect, the Yggdmillennia family is different, because is made of many families of magi who have their own crests, plus the LN stated that they had collected many others in a room for emergency. So Fiore had at least the Forvedge crest.
Nov 16, 2017 2:32 AM
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SilentNox said:
Who thinks does Shakespeare has any combat abilities?



Well remember when he put blacks bezerker (RIP) into one of her memories I would imagine he could of casually walked up and beheaded her while she was going nuts but I don't think t hats his style
Nov 18, 2017 12:31 AM

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Lest be honest this version of Fate is just not very good. The story is a mess but held together with some nice fight scenes. Last few episodes have been very dull, not feeling Jeanne and Sieg. Probably because Sieg is super generic and Jeanne never really does anything.
Nov 18, 2017 3:15 AM

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Ruler’s reaction to a naked rider was funny.

I’m still enjoying Saber but everything else is fairly underwhelming.
Nov 18, 2017 8:55 AM

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This episode was just to show Jeanne that Astolfo is a boy and that she can have her way with boring Sieg.
Nov 18, 2017 10:05 AM

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This week episode is yet another recap one.
But they are leaving 6 episodes for last battle.
Nice touch but I will still not forgive the mfor outright cutting Astolfo and Mordred's background from the novel.
Nov 18, 2017 1:05 PM

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Good episode. It's more or less preparations for the final battle. I hope the final battle will be amazing since they have 6 episodes left. Plenty of time to utilize each battle.

Jeanne!! I hope they have a lot of epic fight scenes with her!!
Nov 18, 2017 2:34 PM
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LeloTheUnamused said:
pillsburyXV said:
wait, wait... wait.

How or why could Fiore transfer the crest to Caules? Isn't it usually held by the head of the family and that person passes on all of that generational prowess to only one of his children, Wouldn't Darnic have been the one to hold the crest in the Yggdmilenia family?


Ando answered about the choice Fiore made.
Talking about the technical aspect, the Yggdmillennia family is different, because is made of many families of magi who have their own crests, plus the LN stated that they had collected many others in a room for emergency. So Fiore had at least the Forvedge crest.


Oh that makes sense, it must have slipped past me. Thanks.
Nov 21, 2017 7:57 AM
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Well Mordred has a plane now, that helps... I don't think it is convenient plot tho, Assassin from red has (in part) something to do, remember that she literally destroyed Astolfo's NP. Also, Astolfo lost his real master, do you remember when Emiya in F/SN was summoned and couldn't remember his true name? he stated that his summoning was incomplete, I believe that's the reason why Alstofo can't remember his NP, mostly because Sieg's unstable body


I'm pretty sure EMIYA was lying about that in F/SN so Rin didn't learn his name. His plan wouldn't have worked out if she knew (not that it worked anyways). That being said, Astolfo's master dying could still be why he forgot the name. For all his screen time, we've not really seen any of Astolfo's backstory, so that's hopefully coming up soon along with an explanation to his NP.


Actually it's quite possibly a reference to the "Orlando Furioso".
While Astolfo indeed has a book capable of negating any spell he (or the author) sort of forget this during the story: Astolfo used the book just once, shortly after receiving it, never ever mentioning its existence again for the rest of the epic poem.
It is a sort of well known "plot hole" in the original poem.
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Nov 21, 2017 10:41 AM

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Dark_Kain said:


Actually it's quite possibly a reference to the "Orlando Furioso".
While Astolfo indeed has a book capable of negating any spell he (or the author) sort of forget this during the story: Astolfo used the book just once, shortly after receiving it, never ever mentioning its existence again for the rest of the epic poem.
It is a sort of well known "plot hole" in the original poem.


Interesting. If that's the case then it isn't nearly as much of an ass-pull as it seemed. That's actually pretty clever
"I ask you, are you my master?"

Nov 21, 2017 3:56 PM

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Another pointless and stupid episode. Finally dropped this garbage. They could have had a watchable 13 episode run with this, but puffing it out to 25 killed it.
Nov 22, 2017 12:42 AM
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Amaksa shiro tokisa is one of the best villians yet XD
Nov 22, 2017 9:08 AM
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No episode this week?
Nov 23, 2017 1:03 AM
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Episode 20 preview

Nov 26, 2017 7:30 AM
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LeloTheUnamused said:
pillsburyXV said:
wait, wait... wait.

How or why could Fiore transfer the crest to Caules? Isn't it usually held by the head of the family and that person passes on all of that generational prowess to only one of his children, Wouldn't Darnic have been the one to hold the crest in the Yggdmilenia family?


Ando answered about the choice Fiore made.
Talking about the technical aspect, the Yggdmillennia family is different, because is made of many families of magi who have their own crests, plus the LN stated that they had collected many others in a room for emergency. So Fiore had at least the Forvedge crest.


Hmm doesn't a crest transfer ussually takes several days to weeks to recover from? I remember Rin saying she was bedridden for days when the transfer happenend. Here they make it seems so fast and simple...
Dec 11, 2017 12:21 AM

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holy moly xD were there any clues for astolfo to be a trap? o.O Her master could've been lesbian and some female characters also use boku...
Dec 13, 2017 2:26 PM

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Love the fact they gave us some yummy Astolfo fanservice...

Not sure why Ruler is so jelly...a threesome is the best result for all parties involved!
Jan 9, 2018 7:17 PM
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Decided to keep watching this trash for Astolfo since I'm so close to the end anyway. There's so much pretentious rambling. I hate Mordred's view of good and evil being mere circumstance.
Jan 10, 2018 3:28 PM

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Forced romance is forced, cringeworthy dialogues are cringeworthy, lame decisions are lame.

But really, Sieg x Ruler relationship is just bad, she simply had no reason to see anything in him and romantic developements in this series are handled really badly. Rider having forgotten his NF was just stupid and that fanservice wasn't even needed. Caules accepting crest from his sister was also wtf developement, like it would be possible to transfer something like that without any hassle, not to mention he already had his very own magic circuit before so it would be instakill for him if logic of nasuverse was enforced. And Sieg motivations are flawed too.
Really, this episode was one facepalm after another, this doesn't even feel like fate series where there were stakes in play in every corner at all. The fact that they are constatly putting some random jokes in doesn't help either.
Feb 7, 2018 2:15 PM

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Seems like the calm before the storm. The annoying romance is boring. 3/5
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May 15, 2018 4:11 AM

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What the?! Astolfo is a guy! LMAO
Love Jeanne's reaction to that, haha!
Oct 30, 2018 1:49 AM

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So why was Astolfo wearing a skirt?
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
Nov 2, 2018 1:29 AM
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So why was Astolfo wearing a skirt?

Astolfo’s clothes are based on his tastes—no, not his tastes; rather, he wore them in order to calm and appease Roland, who went mad after he was spurned by the woman he loved. The reason he had that appearance when he was summoned is probably because the Greater Grail decided that that was the point of “Astolfo’s heyday”. How cruel.

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Nov 24, 2018 1:11 AM

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Generally the dialogue about abstract things like 'salvation' and what a heroic spirit should do' etc. have been clunky and obtuse, and to me, difficult to understand clearly.

Jeanne's little Patrick Stewart speech about loving humanity was actually a nice piece of writing.

What isn't so great writing is transferring the crest. The problem of Astolfo needing three days to remember his spell introduces the question of waiting three days, and letting the red faction leave Romania, or attack right away with presumably less chance of winning. So, Caules confronts Fiore about...not being cut out to be a mage? The decision is only to attack now or attack later, it's not a question of spilling blood since that's a foregone conclusion no matter what Fiore decides. It's not a consistent train of thought.

So, the decision is to attack in three days...so there's no problem with the red faction being outside of their territory anymore? Okay...
It's not very internally consistent.

So does only Leticia want the D, or do both Jeanne and Leticia? Or maybe Astolfo also lol
Nov 24, 2018 6:45 AM
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So, Caules confronts Fiore about...not being cut out to be a mage? The decision is only to attack now or attack later, it's not a question of spilling blood since that's a foregone conclusion no matter what Fiore decides. It's not a consistent train of thought.

she isn't fit for spilling blood with her own hands, nor ordering the blood spilling if the situation demands it when they attack the hanging gardens, yet she is the leader of Yggdmillennia

by giving up on being a mage, she also gave up on her position as the leader

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So, the decision is to attack in three days...so there's no problem with the red faction being outside of their territory anymore? Okay...

the main thing that was giving the black faction a huge territory advantage was Vlad, and he's gone now anyway

it's still disadvantageous for them to fight outside their territory, but its a better option than attacking the hanging gardens without astolfo's NP
Nov 24, 2018 9:56 AM

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she isn't fit for spilling blood with her own hands, nor ordering the blood spilling if the situation demands it when they attack the hanging gardens, yet she is the leader of Yggdmillennia

where's the evidence she isn't fit for making that decision? he starts browbeating her about fitness to lead rather than counseling her about what decision to make.
to me, the discussion of Fiore not being fit doesn't flow naturally from the dialogue in the 'briefing room' preceding it

there isn't enough dialogue about the strategy behind choices that would give some sense the characters know what they're doing
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Jan 20, 2019 10:11 PM
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So im guessing that in the VN the brothers have sex right? Cause if im not mistaken they transfer the magic circuit right?
Jan 21, 2019 3:02 AM
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Whgedia said:
So im guessing that in the VN the brothers have sex right? Cause if im not mistaken they transfer the magic circuit right?

apocrypha is adapted from a light novel, not visual novel
and no
Jan 21, 2019 8:52 PM
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Shayon said:
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So im guessing that in the VN the brothers have sex right? Cause if im not mistaken they transfer the magic circuit right?

apocrypha is adapted from a light novel, not visual novel
and no
Wait what really?. I thought all fate was VN.
But anyway so what was tha?t, what they did there' didn´t she tranfer her magic circuit to her?
Jan 22, 2019 7:03 AM
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Whgedia said:
Shayon said:

apocrypha is adapted from a light novel, not visual novel
and no
Wait what really?. I thought all fate was VN.
But anyway so what was tha?t, what they did there' didn´t she tranfer her magic circuit to her?

Fiore transferred her magic crest to Caules, 80% of it to be exact. this is different from transferring mana, so no sex was involved

magic circuits and magic crests aren’t the same thing.
magic circuits are like nerves in the human body that allow someone to use magic, the number of magic circuits that someone has is determined at birth, and that number won’t ever change naturally, a normal person rarely has magic circuits, or they have very few

a magic crest, on the other hand, is a series of magic circuits that are passed down in mage families, they’re engraved somewhere on the mage’s body and act as an archive of magic.
each successor to the crest in a family adds some of their own magic circuits, and most or all of the spells they learned life to the crest, passing it down to the next successor, mages that have the crest can cast any spell that is recorded in it, even if they never learned that spell themselves.

normally, magic crests can only be given to someone blood related, and they’re transplanted to children little by little as they grow older and their bodies get used to the crest.
in the forvedge family, Caules was born as Fiore’s spare and his body was adjusted since birth so that the crest could be transplanted to him at any time if the situation required it, but transferring so much of the crest all at once was still dangerous, and clearly painful for him
Jan 23, 2019 8:04 AM
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Shayon said:
Whgedia said:
Wait what really?. I thought all fate was VN.
But anyway so what was tha?t, what they did there' didn´t she tranfer her magic circuit to her?

Fiore transferred her magic crest to Caules, 80% of it to be exact. this is different from transferring mana, so no sex was involved

magic circuits and magic crests aren’t the same thing.
magic circuits are like nerves in the human body that allow someone to use magic, the number of magic circuits that someone has is determined at birth, and that number won’t ever change naturally, a normal person rarely has magic circuits, or they have very few

a magic crest, on the other hand, is a series of magic circuits that are passed down in mage families, they’re engraved somewhere on the mage’s body and act as an archive of magic.
each successor to the crest in a family adds some of their own magic circuits, and most or all of the spells they learned life to the crest, passing it down to the next successor, mages that have the crest can cast any spell that is recorded in it, even if they never learned that spell themselves.

normally, magic crests can only be given to someone blood related, and they’re transplanted to children little by little as they grow older and their bodies get used to the crest.
in the forvedge family, Caules was born as Fiore’s spare and his body was adjusted since birth so that the crest could be transplanted to him at any time if the situation required it, but transferring so much of the crest all at once was still dangerous, and clearly painful for him
Ohh i see. I should read the VN and LN. So I can understand better
Jun 24, 2019 5:40 AM

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Every episode Jeanne stray further from her role as Saint and Ruler. Well every episode maybe a bit exaggerating.

A saber plane, kek.

He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame.
Jul 10, 2019 3:56 AM

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These setup episodes are really horrible, the dialogues are some of the worst I've heard in anime. They wonder about stuff which have a clear answer to it, even an 8 year old could reply. Also of course they had to make Rider a trap...
Jul 14, 2019 2:58 PM

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damn, I wanted to hear Astolfo's answer from Ruler

though personally I would choose Astolfo over Ruler all day
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Shayon said:
magic circuits and magic crests aren’t the same thing.
magic circuits are like nerves in the human body that allow someone to use magic, the number of magic circuits that someone has is determined at birth, and that number won’t ever change naturally, a normal person rarely has magic circuits, or they have very few

a magic crest, on the other hand, is a series of magic circuits that are passed down in mage families, they’re engraved somewhere on the mage’s body and act as an archive of magic.
each successor to the crest in a family adds some of their own magic circuits, and most or all of the spells they learned life to the crest, passing it down to the next successor, mages that have the crest can cast any spell that is recorded in it, even if they never learned that spell themselves.

normally, magic crests can only be given to someone blood related, and they’re transplanted to children little by little as they grow older and their bodies get used to the crest.
in the forvedge family, Caules was born as Fiore’s spare and his body was adjusted since birth so that the crest could be transplanted to him at any time if the situation required it, but transferring so much of the crest all at once was still dangerous, and clearly painful for him
Thanks for this explanation!
Apr 12, 2020 6:02 PM

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well that is something..the preparations and what not..final battle starts
Apr 28, 2020 9:22 PM

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Astolfo is the best Chara..
Feb 1, 2023 9:29 PM
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too black and white
Nov 28, 2023 10:21 PM
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Build up episode
- so Astolfo’s noble phantasm seems to be pretty cracked
- Jeanne didn’t know he was a dude?
- Mordred and Shishigo get ready to steal the grail
- The Yygdamillia twins have now switched magical crests.
Dec 1, 2023 7:01 PM
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Calm episode this one was
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It's a MIG!!!
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Shakespeare lied in last week's preview. This episode did not feature the battle between Ruler and Shiro.
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