| I dropped this manga. I don't think I'll ever be in the mood to read rape stories. I had the unfortunate opportunity to read this manga to just unnecessarily remind me how disgusting people can be. These situations happen because women are not considered equal to men. It's how society evolved and fortunately in the day and age, things are slowly progressing towards bringing down the glass ceiling. Anyone in the 21st century who treats woman like objects should not have the honor of being seen as a fellow human being. They should be thrown back to the Middle Ages. |
| I cant blame you for dropping it, its really hard reading. But no matter how depraved the content, its still backed by storytelling and explores the characters in this situation, both the victims, the aggressors and the people inbetween. And of course how this situation could even come to be in the first place, which to be honest sounds plausible in the fucked up world we live in. The story isnt relentness though, Samura inserts hope and bravery into characters, because as heartless as humanity is, humans can still retain dignity, principles and have a working moral compass. The manga doesnt leave you hopeless, even after so many women are raped and murdered, and I guess thats an important message in itself. Never give up hope. Kind of reminds me of Frank Darabont's trademark all over The Shawshank Redemption and The Mist. |
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| Shegoblin, you misunderstood the news. That girl wasn't thrown in a cell to "please" those men. She was caught stealing something in a very small city in Pará, one of the poorest states in Brazil, and she had no ID so they didn't know she was a minor. They were gonna send her to a proper female prison but since the system is so messed up, she had to stay in the local police station for a month. Yeah, she was raped in that cell, which is awful, but it's still nothing compared to Bradherley's Coach. And to avoid any further misunderstand, it says "Rio de Janeiro" there because that's where the newspaper that reported this is from. Pará is miles away from Rio. |
Leninha said: Yeah, she was raped in that cell, which is awful, but it's still nothing compared to Bradherley's Coach. Real life events, regardless of how minor it seems, are far, far, far more significant and it's disrespectful towards towards the victims and inhumane to compare it to situations depicted in manga. |
| I think... but maybe I'm misunderstanding... that Lenin means that the repeated rape of so many girls would seem far worse than just one girl. Not to diminish the suffering of that girl but by comparison if the Bradherley's was a real life story it would be more horrific to me than anything I have ever heard of. Anyone that plans out the suffering and pain of others is purely evil in my books. It makes me weep just thinking about it. So many people in the Bradherley story knew what was going on and just let it happen. That is the most inhuman, grotesque sort of thing I can think of. Kind of similar to planning out murder, instead of it just happening because it happened. It adds a whole new level of evil. |
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Zmey said: if the Bradherley's was a real life story it would be more horrific to me than anything I have ever heard of. Anyone that plans out the suffering and pain of others is purely evil in my books. It makes me weep just thinking about it. So many people in the Bradherley story knew what was going on and just let it happen. That is the most inhuman, grotesque sort of thing I can think of. Kind of similar to planning out murder, instead of it just happening because it happened. It adds a whole new level of evil. And this is why the manga works, I think. Evil shit already is conspired and acted out in the real world, all the time, all around us, what's horriyfing about this manga is how plausible it all seems. You may think the core premise is over the top and too incredible to occur, but we live in a strange world where terror suspects in Iraq had Rage Against The Machine and Sesame Street blared into their eardrums at high volumes to torture them, not to mention Abu Ghraib prison and all the horrors that entailed. We live in a world where Bradherley's Coach can happen, and Samura populates it with decent humans to let us know that the human spirit is a spirit of two halves. --- Also: I wasnt joking about the RATM (oh the irony!) and Sesame Street used as torture. That, and more, actually happened, Google it for more info. |
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| There are a few undeniable truths to this world. One is that every person is capable of immense evil given the proper conditioning and second, overthrowing a system is extremely difficult, even one which would yell against our reasoning. I found the manga very good, the tone was unabridged but to be frank, certain matters should not have censorship. What is striking to me is how 'real' this portrayal was done. You KNEW as the reader what awaited them by the end of every chapter. The idea of the character being ignorant of the disaster awaiting them is very raw. Now think slaughter-houses... This sort of thing is commonplace like it or not. And with reference to the Brazilian incident, it is VERY NAIVE of the prison administration to think any female would escape unharmed confined with multiple men, regardless of age. I think women unfortunately will forever have this stigma of being labelled as 'inferior/expendable' or in the worse case 'deep down enjoy' the experience... yes you read it right. Many other anime/film/media will somehow turn the situation around and make the female character go from victim to consent ex. would be the last ep from Berserk. This is partly due to social psychology, male = dominance/war/victory whereas female = care/fragile/submission. This is a notion I find more scandalous. Still this is something everyone should read. Hopefully you will remember your disgust next time you go treat yourselves to porn ;p |
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| I... wasn't that revolted by this. It was a fairly easy read. It made me cringe a bit at the eye lying there, I suppose, but otherwise, it was just another drop of humans being bastards as usual. As in, I don't get this idea: Zmey said: [...]if the Bradherley's was a real life story it would be more horrific to me than anything I have ever heard of. Because, well, humans have done far worse things quite frequently. We are great at being monsters. Not to deny that institutionalized lying, rape and murder of girls for such a small purpose is very high on the bastardry scale, just to note that it isn't near what we've regularly seen in history in the first place. For one obvious and revolting example, take Unit 731, or for that matter the Nanking Massacre. We have the Rwandan genocide, the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the Khmer Rouge, Stalin period Soviet, we have the modus operandi of pretty much every army ever up until the Geneva Convention (and quite some after that too), we have the punishments of historical governments (Foucault's Discipline and Punish covers some really gruesome examples) - Bradherley's Coach is not unthinkable, not close. That would make it more silly and laughable than good, really. What it is, is a particular kind of cruelty mankind has as of yet not explored (to the best of my knowledge and hope), being too busy doing other horrible things. Also, fiction serves us even more examples of cruelty, many of them quite on this level. Bradherley's Coach just portrays it more human. The core of what actually happens isn't that far removed from, say, the genocides in FMA or the baby-killing the Government did in One Piece. Just, there the perspective is different (and not nearly as graphic). tl;dr humans are Cthulhu. |
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| It's true, I had a really hard time reading through all the rape parts. It's horrifying- but it's representative of the horrors of humanity itself. I am still wondering if anything like that actually happened in the past (the thing in Rio De Janeiro doesn't count). I'm almost positive I've heard of something like that... |
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| Want real life examples? Read about "comfort stations", it's way worse than things described in this manga. |
| It's strange... I also didn't had THAT much problem to read all the way through, even If I'm not into gore at all, especially with women. Maybe, as Beatnik said, because of the focus at the hope of those girls in going to a better place. Even If it broke our hearts. Samura is so visual, isn't she? A little remark: I'm brazilian and I confirm the version Leninha told, although I agree that they obviously knew what would be her fate in the cell. It was a huuuuge scandall here when it was uncovered. |
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| A good read, although at times the various plots seemed to be lost with the multiple changes in settings. Regarding the heavy topic of discussion, i too agree that there are far worse real life examples of evil done to human beings. Yet, my rage and efforts to alleviate this them (i.e. volunteering) are equal. |
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| Something like this did happened in my country. About a week ago some videos and pictures that showed underaged girls being abused in a jail was found, apparently they were blackmailed or threatened so they would get to the jail. It's still being investagated so it's not know who are the ones that were helping the convicts |
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| OMG I can't believe it! this is so cruel!! Even after I read the 1st chapter I couldn't stop, I needed to know whats gonna happen at the end! I've been holding my tears from falling all the time! It's not just about the rape, even how they crushed the little girls dream! I know the manga fiction but as shegoblin said, it happened before, and I say "There is no smoke without fire". Maybe the mangaka heard about something like this happen somewhere else!!! and now can't sleep. :( |
| And yeah I've been wandering, Why are they rewarding the prisoners? to hell with them they deserve whats happening to them! and if they rebel just shoot them!!! Still angry about it :( :(. |
Noura said: And yeah I've been wandering, Why are they rewarding the prisoners? to hell with them they deserve whats happening to them! and if they rebel just shoot them!!! Still angry about it :( :(. Their motives are simple enough to understand imho.So is the resolution they came up with. You got a mad dog - you give it a bone to play with to calm down. (my guess,never had to deal with a mad dog) Sure it's cruel and all but it's a great read nonetheless. |
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arimakenshin said: I dropped this manga. I don't think I'll ever be in the mood to read rape stories. I had the unfortunate opportunity to read this manga to just unnecessarily remind me how disgusting people can be. These situations happen because women are not considered equal to men. It's how society evolved and fortunately in the day and age, things are slowly progressing towards bringing down the glass ceiling. Anyone in the 21st century who treats woman like objects should not have the honor of being seen as a fellow human being. They should be thrown back to the Middle Ages. Rape happens because prisoners like getting their dicks wet. They rape male prisoners too. It has nothing to do with feminism, stop trying to plug your worthless ideologies into every unrelated discussion. |
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Polyphemus said: arimakenshin said: I dropped this manga. I don't think I'll ever be in the mood to read rape stories. I had the unfortunate opportunity to read this manga to just unnecessarily remind me how disgusting people can be. These situations happen because women are not considered equal to men. It's how society evolved and fortunately in the day and age, things are slowly progressing towards bringing down the glass ceiling. Anyone in the 21st century who treats woman like objects should not have the honor of being seen as a fellow human being. They should be thrown back to the Middle Ages. Rape happens because prisoners like getting their dicks wet. They rape male prisoners too. It has nothing to do with feminism, stop trying to plug your worthless ideologies into every unrelated discussion. You are a vile and pathetic waste of space. Male prisoners rape each other because there are NO women for them to abuse. This is why sex-segregated prisons exist. Female prisoners have to be separated and placed in their own prisons for their safety. |
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llagrok said: What a terrible read this manga was. sauveterre said: You are a vile and pathetic waste of space. Male prisoners rape each other because there are NO women for them to abuse. This is why sex-segregated prisons exist. Female prisoners have to be separated and placed in their own prisons for their safety. You're aware that rape is very common in female prisons as well, right? Did you know it happens at a MUCH lower rate? Gee, I wonder why! |
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