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Apr 4, 2017 6:11 AM

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Aww, they formed a family after all with a cute baby girl named Nene. I'm happy for them and the ending. Perfect the way it is.

Apr 6, 2017 6:13 AM

Kuma

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i was started out nice, but the rest pretty much meh... but at least they are sweet couple... oh well 6/10

something probably happened to author rather than it axed since both this and it spin-off was ended in the same time... hope not something bad...

"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."

Apr 11, 2017 7:44 AM

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As the manga seemed to take the gender-bender theme seriously, it could have been great if it explored more Nao's mental and emotional state after he underwent gender change. Sadly it showed either for a comic relief or brushed it off like it was no big deal. Normal people would have gone crazy if their sex is suddenly changed, wouldn't they?

That aside, another grip that I have is the drama. It really comes off random and cheap; some bad guy appeared out of nowhere just to cause conflict. It also overplayed the misunderstanding cliche to the point they seem to lack of basic communication skill. I mean the conflicts could have been easily resolved of the two quit being so insecure and talk it out instead.

Dec 1, 2017 10:39 PM

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Really sweet story which was much better than I expected. I do think that the story was stronger in terms of the 5 chapters versus the rest, but it's good in this case that it continued.

As Impala said, I do think the conflict was very forced and took away from the story. It also would have been nice to know more about Mamiya and if her mental state is actually that of a female now instead of a male. They keep hinting that her mind does change, but Mamiya still seemed to act a lot like male, so it's uncertain.

Overall, it's great that it's a happy ending that ties everything up nicely.

Dec 21, 2017 8:58 PM

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Very nice ending. Glad her daughter was not a clone. Her theory that he caused her to emerge was interesing

Mar 28, 2018 11:18 PM

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Impala said:
As the manga seemed to take the gender-bender theme seriously, it could have been great if it explored more Nao's mental and emotional state after he underwent gender change. Sadly it showed either for a comic relief or brushed it off like it was no big deal. Normal people would have gone crazy if their sex is suddenly changed, wouldn't they?

That aside, another grip that I have is the drama. It really comes off random and cheap; some bad guy appeared out of nowhere just to cause conflict. It also overplayed the misunderstanding cliche to the point they seem to lack of basic communication skill. I mean the conflicts could have been easily resolved of the two quit being so insecure and talk it out instead.

The author could have done that, but this manga was being published side by side with the Another spin-off, which deals with the mental state of a guy who emerged as a girl. I think it would be pretty redundant considering people at the time of publishing would have likely read the two stories alternately.

Apr 27, 2018 11:58 AM

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i thought this manga ended at ch 5 when i read years ago but it turned out they made 15 more chapters. glad i came back and glad i finished and glad it ended more into the future. time to lay this manga to rest and then come back years later.

May 13, 2018 9:39 PM

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I love how this manga is focused mostly on the internal conflict between nao and kyosuke, that made the story very interestingly cute to read. I can feel how hard the steps nao took to be familiar with what happen to him (now "her"), but thankfully she can made it. In other hand, kyosuke must get adapted with what happen to nao. I mean, since child he treated nao as a boy, but now he must treated her as a girl, and I'm so glad he can made it too.

If it's not because author always bring out about the emergence in almost every first page of chapter, I would forgot that nao is a boy in the past... hahaha. (her lovey-dovey life with kyosuke is too cute to follow, until in a state where I forgot that she's a he before it).

No cliffhanging, author bring the story until marriage and get a baby, which is I must raise a hat for that to the author. Thanks for the sweet manga, I left a 7/10 score here.

"Happy Ramadhan for those who celebrate it. I hope this year's Ramadhan bring goodness for you life" -(TsuzukuHunter 2018)

May 20, 2018 11:06 PM

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In spite of its flaws, this series took me on a MASSIVE feels trip! :') I think I used, like... 7 regular-sized paper towels to blow my nose, haha.

Was a little annoying that the author kept bringing up the emergence every chapter or 2. It's like, "We get it! Enough." Of course, this seems to be a common occurrence in manga and anime- the creators constantly bringing up some 'crucial plot elements' every few episodes or chapters. I guess this is a way to, maybe, "bring new fans/viewers up to speed" who, for whatever reason, might *just* be starting and/or ending the series at a particular point, rather than starting from the very-beginning and/or finishing the series at the actual end? Then again, several non-anime and non-manga fiction don't usually bring up certain elements of the plot so explicitly so often, and yet, somehow, plenty of fans of *those* still seem to remember a lot of crucial aspects, right?

But... whatever. I guess it's really 'neither here nor there', in the end.

In many respects, it is very "stereotypical shoujo romance", I suppose, but I think the mere fact that *Nao used to be male* does add a certain 'gender-nonconforming or LGBT-esque element' that makes it all the more intriguing. Miyoshi's not JUST falling in love with a girl he knows but, rather, a girl who used to be his longtime guy friend. This presents all sorts of new challenges, granted, but, also, I think, helps readers and the characters *reflect more on* just "how relevant" gender really is when it comes to love and relationships!

It may be true that there are many instances of Nao, eventually, turning into a very "Traditional Japanese girl/female", but I think anyone saying that is *missing* the other aspects of the plot where, based on his and Miyoshi's internal monologues, the two of them CLEARLY, at times, do still see a 'masculine side/element' of Nao's personality that may forever 'be there', so it's not fair, imo, to say that Nao just "became totally feminine", esp. in any 'stereotypical' manner. While some may argue that Nao's 'feminine transition' was, perhaps, "a bit too sudden" and, to some extent, "unrealistic", I think there are, nonetheless, many obvious instances where Nao's mindset has its fair share of "masculinity", deep down. So Nao is kind-of a 'mix' between male and female, at least when it comes to thought patterns and behavior (at least somewhat). This 'mixture' may be more muted as the story goes on, but it's not as though they "erase it completely."

The unfortunate thing, though, is the fact that the story seemed to use the whole, "Boy turns into girl" thing almost as an *excuse* to give Miyoshi "all the more reason" to fall in love with and be attracted to Nao, as opposed to their *best-friendship* blossoming on its own into "love". I mean, if Nao had remained a boy, who KNOWS how their relationship would evolve, though, given the way the story played out and how they seemed to just be "really good friends w/ not a trace of romance between them", I doubt there would've been nearly as big a chance of falling in love. And this... kind-of weakens things. Sure, the 'boy changes into girl' aspect of the story does, I suppose, give it sort of a "pro-trans vibe", esp. to Westerners and more pro-LGBT folks, but... then again, the fact that Miyoshi may otherwise *never have fallen in love with* Nao seems to almost force the dynamic into "just another heterosexual norm" (Nao becoming female so it's "not as gross/weird" to the outside world than if Nao and Miyoshi had been in a same-sex relationship).

The fact, also, that Nao's body *naturally transforms into "female" on its own*, as opposed to Nao originally being transgender and consciously wanting, let alone going through with, things like SRS and HRT, perhaps, could be its own way of "minimizing"- for better or worse- any "trans aspects", though, to be fair, Miyoshi and Nao still got their fair share of "shit" from the outside society for their relationship, nonetheless. To be honest, given the emergence aspect, part of me almost would prefer this be more of a same-sex couple type of story where the characters *naturally fall in love*, rather than two otherwise-straight friends "suddenly" being attracted to the other *mainly because* one of them changed gender and all of a sudden is "a romance option now."

Though, I suppose this also goes to show just how "weird" sexual orientation is, especially when it comes to things outside the realm of lust and physical attraction, such as pure romance and being into someone's personality, "being" and behavior. Like... the fact that we can stay "best friends" or "really good friends" with someone of a gender or sex we wouldn't *normally* fall for but, had we encountered someone with the exact same traits of a sex/gender we "are attracted to", we likely *would* consider them a romantic option, just goes to show how "weird" orientation and romance really are! Especially if it's someone you just met online and whose gender you had no idea of one way or the other. Aside from certain, possible "complications" intercourse-wise or w/ regard to pregnancy and bearing children, WOULD it "really matter" if we randomly met someone whose gender we knew nothing about but who, nonetheless, really 'clicked' with us. It is intriguing how species like us humans, almost instinctively, "wall ourselves off" romantically from certain people we are really compatible with because, "They're the wrong gender/sex."

I get that this- romantic attraction- is something we typically can't control, but... from a purely logical standpoint, it still does sound a bit "odd" when you *really* think hard about this dynamic. But... I guess stuff like that is, perhaps, something we're "not meant" to fully understand, especially if there is "a god" or 'higher power' running the universe. heh

In the end, though... perhaps there is a 'trace of non-gender-based love' between Nao and Mishiyo that's supposed to be "read between the lines", perhaps? I wonder...

Whoo711May 20, 2018 11:22 PM

May 20, 2018 11:25 PM

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TsuzukuHunter said:
I love how this manga is focused mostly on the internal conflict between nao and kyosuke, that made the story very interestingly cute to read.

The internal-monologue aspect of this story gave me some serious Kare Kano (His and Her Circumstances) vibes :)

May 21, 2018 6:33 PM

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Whoo711 said:

The internal-monologue aspect of this story gave me some serious Kare Kano (His and Her Circumstances) vibes :)

Yes, and both of the series have almost same background where the two mains are a friend who always compete with each other.

Btw, I'm glad that the author always reminds me about emergence in every chapter. If not because of that, I'll clearly forget that Nao is used to be male XD (this happen to me when reading "Boku Girl", where the author seldomly reminds me about the magic transform that the main character received, until the point where I really forgot she used to be he)

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Nov 30, 2018 5:26 AM

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Uwaaaahhh it was rather adorable.
9/10 for having that fabulous romance despite the gender bender weirdness.

Whoo711 said:

In many respects, it is very "stereotypical shoujo romance", I suppose, but I think the mere fact that *Nao used to be male* does add a certain 'gender-nonconforming or LGBT-esque element' that makes it all the more intriguing. Miyoshi's not JUST falling in love with a girl he knows but, rather, a girl who used to be his longtime guy friend. This presents all sorts of new challenges, granted, but, also, I think, helps readers and the characters *reflect more on* just "how relevant" gender really is when it comes to love and relationships!

Yup, because of this i'm starting to loosen up on my thought of the lgbtq community. Never imagined myself to enjoy a "BL" manga, but love is love regardless. I think the mangaka's ulterior motive was to present the readers that gender is not problematic if two people happen to connect past the emotional level.

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Oct 9, 2019 7:28 PM

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If anything an 8/10 cause the ending was very unfulfilling and very few words were spoken and overall very very very unfulfilling but it’s a good mango

Dec 29, 2022 1:17 AM

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i was already loving the story and they gotta hit me with them having a daughter at the end

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