Dragon Ball Super Episode 80 Discussion

Stark700 said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Damn, this Lavender guy is pretty vicious. Didn't even waste time at all to attack Gohan, especially his face and eyes.

Gohan going Super Saiyan was definitely expected tbh.
The fight was intense, really good momentum this episode imo from start to finish without any pauses. A really close fight imo between them.

Goku to fight next. HYPE.

MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Lol the fact that Universe 7 is the second weakest universe in all 12 universe is actually blow up my mind. So according to Grand Priest's line about the power levels, is this mean the Universe 6 is the third weakest universe in all 12 universe since both Goku and Vegeta (And Piccolo as well since he is able to defeated Frost) are defeated the universe 6 warriors except Hit in Universe 6 Saga.

Edit: Hm... it seem like Gowasu will die for a third time (Fourth time if you count the Manga) after the Tournament of Power was finished, Gowasu is literally a second and Surpreme Kai version Krillin lol.

Klad said:
This ring a bell? LOL

Darius said:


Gohan is going to be the next Yamcha...?

Janethan23 said:
So why not use the Dragon Balls, Namekian Dragon Balls or even the Super Dragon Balls to bring back planet Vegeta and Namek? I'm pretty sure that would greatly raise U7's mortal level. If the Saiyans or Namekians colonized half or even a quarter of the universe then they wouldn't even been considered as a weak universe. Imagine those races in the trillions spread out all over the universe. It's a damn shame none of them want to bring back planet Vegeta and Namek.

FrozenRaider said:


Wait...why bring back Namek, if New Namek exist?

Janethan23 said:


Isn't New Namek a colonized planet of refugees after the Freeza arc?

MahiaErebeaNegi said:
Lol the fact that Universe 7 is the second weakest universe in all 12 universe is actually blow up my mind. So according to Grand Priest's line about the power levels, is this mean the Universe 6 is the third weakest universe in all 12 universe since both Goku and Vegeta (And Piccolo as well since he is able to defeated Frost) are defeated the universe 6 warriors except Hit in Universe 6 Saga.

Edit: Hm... it seem like Gowasu will die for a third time (Fourth time if you count the Manga) after the Tournament of Power was finished, Gowasu is literally a second and Surpreme Kai version Krillin lol.

Otaku_DJK1NG said:


Again it not about power level. It the mortal ratio.
Meaning Universe 7 is the second lowest because it has the second lowest living mortals.

Which is why this match is being held to eliminate them because they are dead weight Universes.

And to prove my point.
Think back, Beerus went to sleep after telling Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta.
Before then The Saiyans and Frieza Army were killing mortals and destroying planets left and right.

On top of that Kid Buu Universe 7 killing machine.

Now in this episode Beerus was mad at the Supreme Kai for not taking action and monitoring the mortal ways of living. Supreme Kai countered him by saying he shouldn't had been asleep all this time.

Which also sums up why Zamasu did what he did.

It about mortal live/death ratio not power level.
If it was about power level there would be no need to hold the Tournament of Power.

xahjun said:


Actually I think the Tournament of Power was just to entertain Zeno. He doesn't really care who is stronger anyway. Just wanted some entertainment. So as a reward for satisfying Zeno (by giving a good fight to the other universe), it is spared from being erased. Otherwise, they wouldn't really put in a good effort to fight if they knew that they are going to be erased despite winning the tournament.

I still believe mortal level is the average power level of all mortals in the universe though. Even if Universe 7 has a very low index, it could be due to the power level in U7 are at two ends of the spectrum. Beerus job is to remove weak planets while Kaioshin is to strengthen the planets as much as possible. However in Universe 7, Beerus is always sleeping and relying on villains to destroy other planets (which is so much slower compared to doing it himself, since he can destroy a planet within seconds), while Kaioshin always believes and wants the "mortal themselves to develop their planet levels on their own" (quoted from Beerus in this episode). I think with this definition of mortal level, it gives us an idea, the purpose as to why Zeno created these two gods.

If your definition is true, then after what Beerus has said, I guess Kaioshin is supposedly to be a god of... fertility? XD

But then again, I'm not saying that your analogy is flawed though, because what you're saying does makes sense too. It can mean either way, since the show did not directly state the definition of it. It's just that I prefer to infer it this way.

Just my 2cents =)
Cheers.

Edit: Terrible English everywhere HAHA

Desutroya said:


I'm just speculating here, of course, but my impression was that the mortal level wasn't so much the power level or the amount of mortals, but the development of mortals as civilizations. Whether that's in terms of a certain morality/mindset that they want to impose, or in terms of understanding and creation (i.e., science, philosophy, art, etc.), I don't know. The authoritarian nature of forcing a people to act a certain way seems in line with how Zeno and the High Priest are being portrayed, though.

In this case, a universe could have a high rating with fewer and weaker mortals if those mortals are highly developed (in either way I posed earlier), and that the four exempt universes pass those standards. The reason one of the lower universes would be spared, then, would be by a special standard. That standard is simply how well they entertain Zeno.

In other words, the four exempt universes are the higher social classes allowed the live by the King, and the winner of the tournament would be a peasant who acts as the jester by fighting for the King's amusement.

Again, this is just speculation, and this may not (and probably is not) how it works in the show, since this is just a shounen battle anime.

Otaku_DJK1NG said:


And how can the civilization grow if the mortals are being killed left and right, always causing destruction, destroying planets and not protecting their worlds.

Joido said:
( . . . )
Although, taking into account the context in which mortal levels were mentioned: beings of the lowest mortal level rank putting on a good fight, surprising Zeno; Grand Priest responding "surely you can tell" upon their questioning who was ranked below U7 — if it does in fact imply a correlation to power — then that would be the perfect setup for a future arc with potentially stronger opponents for Goku & co. to face.

Not to mention power serving as the measurement for the participants in a tournament of power (or what would be a battle of the weak to prove they have power), rather than quality of life, makes the most sense.

Otaku_DJK1NG said:
Beerus sleeping through everything after telling Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta

ibraheem234 said:
Gohan won but it was still a tie...

SSJ4Life said:


Beerus never told Frieza to destroy planet Vegeta, he only allowed it.

The English and Spanish translation f*cked that up.



In your dreams.

By tournament rules it was a tie, that's only fair.

If it wasn't by tournament rules, Gohan would've lost.

Thrashinuva said:
So the universes were already pending erasure to begin with, so Goku's eagerness to fight didn't threaten Universe 7 after all.

Desutroya said:

xahjun said:


I do see what you meant. I think your analysis is really interesting too, and it gives me a new perspective to look from as well. I do understand that this anime isn't supposed to be looked into such details, especially of something minor. However sometimes it's cool to look at a sensible perspective that I'll never thought of.

Thanks for sharing =)