| Logic (1595)> Read the flavor text for Gruffin's death I think it could point toward our killer(s). ????? That would be favoring town, so I doubt it. |
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| I'm bored, so time to reread D3. (Fun fact: Shortly before this game started I joked around with Shad about being in a game full of anti-town players. Go figure.) Post 1258 of Rinto's reads as geniune paranoia to me. Something about Togs that I previously forgot is his play here is resembling how he played in Camp Crystal Lake. He gave large posts, disappeared, and when the next Day Phase rolled around he didn't reappear to cast a vote on his top suspect. He eventually got modkilled for inactivity and flipped town after being suspected. Gut feeling + meta, I think he may be town here. Lucian's frustration with Denja is sounding alright? He's not afraid to approach him at least. Lucian's asking questions and generally on the look out, but he needs to do more analysis if town. I don't know why, but I like this post. I wouldn't be surprised if KOtA ended up town or scum, but leaning more town because I don't know who his team would be. :\ He's still only surviving, so ehh? Very confusing. Penta hasn't provided much content aside from the random accusations on Logic and I. Bleh, I should not have given him a pass for this. >.> He's not scumhunting, questioning suspects to figure out alignments, etc. And I'm not to that post yet, but I think I remember him sheeping his vote on KOtA? Logic's 1318 is a good post. Denja's 1319 sums up exactly why I did what I did during N2. Karote: Sure, you're passive player but all you're doing is posting whenever somebody mentions you. That means you're more concerned about your safety than figuring out the game. -__- So glad Logic called this post out as hypocritical because that's exactly what this is. Karote saying "Jeez, chill" afterward is not the type of response I'm wanting from him. It's a vague, uninformative answer that doesn't even address what Logic was saying.Caught up to #1419 now. Will I ever have the motivation to catch up completely? ~Who knows?~ |
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| Denja: This is scary because I have been wrong the whole time and I lynched Phraze and Penta who I never get the feel of their true alignment and I read them as scum. so all this time u lynched on guts. good jobOnce again, I am not very good at behavioral reads as I am the type of player who relies on strategies, deceptions, and crafty plays on any alignments. I started playing mafia with role madness right off the bat so the learning curve was too high for me and I got used to relying on abilities rather than finding scum through their behaviours. valid point, but not an excuse. improving is part and parcel of playing a gameHe seemed to not afraid of approaching me even I make myself look dangerous by flaunting my threats and gathering members for my cult. He is looking good in my book but I find it hard to accept when I've recognized him for being clever and still not joining my damn cult. xDD #Lucian so this is culting.. ok, could be what pissed me off.@Jackrito Saying who cares if I'm town or not should and will get you killed tbf, since it shows a clear lack of town motive. I didn't say anything like that. vvvDenja #892 1. "you are not even contributing with a better solution." 2. "I don't care if you are scum or just town trying to be anti-town" 3. "just for shits and giggles" 4. "Your posts are just awful" His play is really not that bad and is not anti town his mechanic test is only used on people who look scummy to begin with Chione and Lucian for example did not pass the test and he does not want to lynch them. You and Penta were lynched for more reasons then that. His tactic is pretty good analysis as well and is creative, a lot more then most are doing that game. When you don't know who the scum are even after lynch the normal tactics are less effective. His tactic used here will only work in this setup as well it would not be able to be used in RM so not sure your point I noticed Karote(who had a train idea) and Rinto(who was half decent) gone lazy by D2, after Denja started his tactic. his tactic is like a free ticket in the game.....and rightfully so, but it shouldn't be used to the point it overrides everyone's gamesolving motivation. what I'm trying to say is that Denja's plan is giving everyone the illusion of safety so they don't feel like trying...hence a poorly played out towngame now. it would be a good tactic to use if he was more subtle with it, or saved it till N4(like Ruu said), but using it as early as N1 killed most of the interest in this game. we can't exactly blame the playerbase/circumstances for lack of input..it's more of the tactic and how much bearing it has on the game now. |
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Phraze said: Denja: This is scary because I have been wrong the whole time and I lynched Phraze and Penta who I never get the feel of their true alignment and I read them as scum. so all this time u lynched on guts. good jobOnce again, I am not very good at behavioral reads as I am the type of player who relies on strategies, deceptions, and crafty plays on any alignments. I started playing mafia with role madness right off the bat so the learning curve was too high for me and I got used to relying on abilities rather than finding scum through their behaviours. valid point, but not an excuse. improving is part and parcel of playing a gameHe seemed to not afraid of approaching me even I make myself look dangerous by flaunting my threats and gathering members for my cult. He is looking good in my book but I find it hard to accept when I've recognized him for being clever and still not joining my damn cult. xDD #Lucian so this is culting.. ok, could be what pissed me off.@Jackrito Saying who cares if I'm town or not should and will get you killed tbf, since it shows a clear lack of town motive. I didn't say anything like that. vvvDenja #892 1. "you are not even contributing with a better solution." 2. "I don't care if you are scum or just town trying to be anti-town" 3. "just for shits and giggles" 4. "Your posts are just awful" His play is really not that bad and is not anti town his mechanic test is only used on people who look scummy to begin with Chione and Lucian for example did not pass the test and he does not want to lynch them. You and Penta were lynched for more reasons then that. His tactic is pretty good analysis as well and is creative, a lot more then most are doing that game. When you don't know who the scum are even after lynch the normal tactics are less effective. His tactic used here will only work in this setup as well it would not be able to be used in RM so not sure your point I noticed Karote(who had a train idea) and Rinto(who was half decent) gone lazy by D2, after Denja started his tactic. his tactic is like a free ticket in the game.....and rightfully so, but it shouldn't be used to the point it overrides everyone's gamesolving motivation. what I'm trying to say is that Denja's plan is giving everyone the illusion of safety so they don't feel like trying...hence a poorly played out towngame now. it would be a good tactic to use if he was more subtle with it, or saved it till N4(like Ruu said), but using it as early as N1 killed most of the interest in this game. we can't exactly blame the playerbase/circumstances for lack of input..it's more of the tactic and how much bearing it has on the game now.We can very much blame the playerbase and circumstances for input just because you are safe from lynch does not mean you should stop trying. The point of mafia is to hunt the scum as town not surivie yourself. His tactic helps to make a town group which should work together to solve the game that is how mafia works. If people are only in it to survive they are playing the wrong game. They is nothing wrong with the tactic they is something wrong with the players cleared from it. A example of this is the innocent child role, this is a role that is confirmed town from the start this does not mean they do nothing it means they can be trusted. His tactic is not that clear either as Penta you and Lucian are finding so he is been a bit subtle. Not his fault that people are lazy. I don't normally agree with a lot of what Denjax does here but I will this time. |
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| @Jackrito We can very much blame the playerbase and circumstances for input just because you are safe from lynch does not mean you should stop trying. The point of mafia is to hunt the scum as town not surivie yourself. His tactic helps to make a town group which should work together to solve the game that is how mafia works. If people are only in it to survive they are playing the wrong game. They is nothing wrong with the tactic they is something wrong with the players cleared from it. A example of this is the innocent child role, this is a role that is confirmed town from the start this does not mean they do nothing it means they can be trusted. His tactic is not that clear either as Penta you and Lucian are finding so he is been a bit subtle. Not his fault that people are lazy. I don't normally agree with a lot of what Denjax does here but I will this time. guess the eyeopener is ur agreement for once. Denja doesn't know how to suit his tactics to the players sooo I guess he's doing his best as Denja. if we talk playerbase, about half don't suit this setup. bad matchup and timing I guess. I'm pretty curious about why he pushed lynches the way he did now..will ask when he's here. |
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| 1419 Chione (about Karote): Most of the accusations on him were based on his play style I think. I could say the same for KOtA, who she is accusing in this quote:He’s heavily anti-town, and at this point it’s undiscernable whether it stems from his play style or from him actually being scum. ^^ Why is KOtA given different treatment from Karote if they both have anti-town playstyles? KOtA hasn't done anything townie or "astonishingly scummy" either. So why the scumread on one, but not the other?Chione's reads only convince me further that she is scumbuddies with Karote and trying to frame KOtA and Rinto, as it sounds like she is defending Karote without making the commitment of townreading him and being overly suspicious of the other two. Sure, valid reasons are given for this at first glance, but I would expect a paranoid townie (as suggested by how she reads Rinto/KOtA) to be less trusting of an anti-town player like Karote. The tone of her Karote read is much more positive and trusting than that of a neutral read. Her reads are pretty disjointed since everything Rinto or KOtA did is read in a scummy light while everything Karote does is read in a townie light. Logic's having none of it in 1427. Yes, good. 1434 Karote (about Rinto): "You give me town vibe but I want to scumread you. Why are you doing this to me." If I were alive, I'd be asking for Karote to elaborate on this, but alas. ...And defending of Penta in this post. 1435 of Karote's is quoting a previous reads list that is worse than Chione's. In that reads list, he shades Rinto and says he's leaning scum on him, but puts Rinto under the "unknown" category, which I assume to mean neutral. A lot of space in that post is dedicated to these supposed unknown reads, which triggers alarm bells for me. If they are truely unknown/neutral, then why is he focused on them instead of his scumreads? Why does his opinion on an undecided read take precedence over the town and scum reads? None of these reads are strong either. There are leans and unknowns, but no "this person is town because..." or "this person is scum because..." No strong stances here, but it was already D2! Notice how KOtA is absent from this list. 1437 Karote just randomly voting for KOtA, no reason given. 1477 Penta sheeping his vote on KOtA too. ._. No reason given either. Wait, reasons given on 1518, but it's hypocritical as Denja and Logic say. 1483 Why would I not vote? I have my reads, I've just lacked the ability to write them. That doesn't mean I should let my scum suspects go. I'm going to lynch them. What? It really doesn't take long to give a quick reads list with a sentence or two for explanation. Even if you're short on time, if you already have your reads you should be able to write them out real quick, right? I think this was an excuse to not give clear reads that could be held against him later. Why did I give him so many free passes when he wouldn't even throw us a bone? Ughhh. Stuff like this is definitely going to earn more suspicion from me in future games. I'm not getting burned by this again. 1552 Chione: It's not like I truly scum read you. But it's my duty for the motherland to trust in my comrades. BUSSING DETECTED....And now I'm to #1559, or the start of N3. |
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Gruffin said: Ah. I thought he only Pm hosts.Augh I feel like a big jerk having to do this, but @Jackrito @aa-dono @Astros KOtA PM'd me apologizing about the game. I didn't reply of course, but I don't want this to get other players modkilled by replying if I wasn't the only one messaged. Thank you for telling us. Hopefully everyone still asleep and havent read the message |
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aa-dono said: Huh I didn't get anything like that (unless you can delete PMs..?) so maybe he only sent it to mods and GruffinGruffin said: Ah. I thought he only Pm hosts.Augh I feel like a big jerk having to do this, but @Jackrito @aa-dono @Astros KOtA PM'd me apologizing about the game. I didn't reply of course, but I don't want this to get other players modkilled by replying if I wasn't the only one messaged. Thank you for telling us. Hopefully everyone still asleep and havent read the message |
| 1614 Logic: I also want to discuss something once we know how many scum are left. If there are two I think I might know ego they are. Karote and Chione.Karote and Chione. Karote and Chione. Edit: 1620 Logic: A big part of me feels that there are two scum left. If this turns out to be true then I think that the scum team is Chione and Karote. Hehehehehehe |
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| Did I actually die, or is this just solve the game part 2? :P |
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| Yeah. Red text of truth is just 100% truth and extends beyond a game in question (although I didn't realize it originated on mafiascum). I would normally never use something like that because I feel it is unfair, but I made an exception because of my shortfalling in having missed Day 1 completely. I was already shooting town in the foot by being lynched when I wouldn't have if I had been there day 1 so I had to close the gap a bit and at least give some information. |
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| I didn't keep reading the thread after dying but I am pretty sure Chione was town before that. Then again, most of her D2 and D3 was neutral so it wouldn't surprise me too much if something changed. |
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| And the fact that she voted for me based on the request of other players instead of her own thoughts. That seems really really off from her town play. |
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| Alright, I can probably buy into a scum!Chione here. |
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PentaFlare said: I'm a.... Did I actually die, or is this just solve the game part 2? :P 👻Ghost Detective👻 |
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| Ayy welcome to team ghost detectives, penta! Ok, reading logic's case on chione/karote it's starting to make sense to me. Chione was protecting Karote, but I kind of saw that more as over-using meta town getting tricked like in CCL. Shinichi Kun did the same thing as well, and I'm not letting go of the possibility of Lucian being scum. If Penta is town and all modkills are town then I suppose Karote/Chione/Lucian could be a team. Although I still think Penta might be scum I think some of Logic's points against him are a little harsh; Penta did explain the shad vote (but not the phraze town read iirc) and everyone should be placing a vote whether they are caught up or not The stuff with the search party/delayed phase change is a little confusing.. from the reactions it looks like Denja will be joining us in ghost town soon, but will be allowed to discuss the search party results (I don't think it would be fair to allow the scum to change their night kill at this point since it's known..) |
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| oh my god still three scum RIP town XD I guess phraze and Penta really are town I thought there would be some time between search party and night kill since the search party was started so early.. oh well, Denja already made a post covering the possibilities and everyone else can discuss during the day |
| Yeah, I think Phraze hates me xDD Phraze said: My play style might create longterm confusion but it is better than dealing with a game with lurking and inactive players. Heck, scum even killed activity by killing active players. How do you expect us from getting behavioural reads if there are almost zero behaviours to work with in the game? Not even prodding and reps are enough to make people play the game so I had to resort to the flavor to move the game. I have been playing many games to forsee a game with dying activity. First, it's the holidays. Second, the no lynch. I even knew that Soda rep was a bad idea because I knew this player and he is usually inactive. Scum likes to play dirty? Then I can too. I have no regrets on what I have done in the game.I think town is lacking here cuz of the beginning stages. Denja's plan created longterm confusion and it's too late to revert. my answer would've been to shoot Denja N1, if we had a vig.. scum is using him all the way, just like Claire in Nanatsu /facepalm/ anyways, now that we got 2 modkills...I think it would be fair for scum to kill another inactive and give town a chance... the little push downhill is rly accelerating >.>; [edit: oh yeah..I think Tis the Season wasn't as bad as this tho. nobody was modkilled] Phraze said: You can't say that my methods are not fair if you see the fairness the mafia team did to the game. In my perspective, I did the fairest move as best as I could and I did not went overboard and exploited with flavors at all.hmmm so Denja has 2 ideas. I distrusted him mainly for asking tricky questions regarding mechanics...about the search party. if flavor claiming then pfft I doubt most ppl will agree with or even looked up their pm for backup. this game is communism(all about fairness) so most are playing by that. or that is what I would like to believe... Phraze said: hmmm so Denja has 2 ideas. I distrusted him mainly for asking tricky questions regarding mechanics...about the search party. if flavor claiming then pfft I doubt most ppl will agree with or even looked up their pm for backup. this game is communism(all about fairness) so most are playing by that. or that is what I would like to believe... Phraze said: Now I can see you are resenting me because of how I interrogate you in the game which lead to your lynch. Not sure if it was a joke on that striked text about it being my fault. If it is, I will wait when the game is over and ask for their feedbacks for it because that concerns me as I have done this in the past (not flavor exploiting but something else that gives town extra false security). I do not know yet if my methods made people lazy or scum becoming discouraged and/or apathetic when I taunt them with the exploit that I haven't fully used at its full exploitable potential. I am sorry if my methods were hurting you but you have to understand that I was frustrated with the inactivity the game was having so I kind of changed my tactics. You just happened to be on my sights and to be fair, you were not really helping by being apathetic and wanted to get lynched rather than working with us and find scum. I find that attitude worse than a player who is just inactive, imo. It also gave me the reason to lynch you because I used the flavor threats to taunt the mafia and I expected a defeated reaction from them and that is what I saw in your actions. I stopped grilling you because I saw a bit of town from your posts and partly because you threaten to rep out. I did not shove the methods down to your throat but rather I want some more input from you than you being apathetic so I tried to attempt to get you in action by asking you in a roundabout manner on how do you propose on solving the game if we are not using my methods. But all I got from you were "lynch me", "i don't care", etc...looks like the game thread caught fire in a bad way in my absence.. AND another person got modkilled.... geez Denja's fault kinda see ur point there... tho I was genuinely upset he said my posts were awful, who cares if I'm town or not, I'm just in it for laughs, etc etc, in just 1 post. srsly..even if this is strategy, it's not very kind. it could be to see town/scum at its weakest...tho if it is, guess I find it more antitown than not. he enforces his mechanics on others and calls them scum if they don't follow, first me and now Penta. wut. his play might be suited to a rolemadness but not this. it ruins this game's analytical potential overall Phraze said: More salt. I know my flaws and I still tried anyway. It is not an excuse anymore since I worked with it or at least, I tried. It did not stop me from trying. More resentment.Denja: This is scary because I have been wrong the whole time and I lynched Phraze and Penta who I never get the feel of their true alignment and I read them as scum. so all this time u lynched on guts. good jobOnce again, I am not very good at behavioral reads as I am the type of player who relies on strategies, deceptions, and crafty plays on any alignments. I started playing mafia with role madness right off the bat so the learning curve was too high for me and I got used to relying on abilities rather than finding scum through their behaviours. valid point, but not an excuse. improving is part and parcel of playing a gameHe seemed to not afraid of approaching me even I make myself look dangerous by flaunting my threats and gathering members for my cult. He is looking good in my book but I find it hard to accept when I've recognized him for being clever and still not joining my damn cult. xDD #Lucian so this is culting.. ok, could be what pissed me off.@Jackrito Saying who cares if I'm town or not should and will get you killed tbf, since it shows a clear lack of town motive. I didn't say anything like that. vvvDenja #892 1. "you are not even contributing with a better solution." 2. "I don't care if you are scum or just town trying to be anti-town" 3. "just for shits and giggles" 4. "Your posts are just awful" His play is really not that bad and is not anti town his mechanic test is only used on people who look scummy to begin with Chione and Lucian for example did not pass the test and he does not want to lynch them. You and Penta were lynched for more reasons then that. His tactic is pretty good analysis as well and is creative, a lot more then most are doing that game. When you don't know who the scum are even after lynch the normal tactics are less effective. His tactic used here will only work in this setup as well it would not be able to be used in RM so not sure your point I noticed Karote(who had a train idea) and Rinto(who was half decent) gone lazy by D2, after Denja started his tactic. his tactic is like a free ticket in the game.....and rightfully so, but it shouldn't be used to the point it overrides everyone's gamesolving motivation. what I'm trying to say is that Denja's plan is giving everyone the illusion of safety so they don't feel like trying...hence a poorly played out towngame now. it would be a good tactic to use if he was more subtle with it, or saved it till N4(like Ruu said), but using it as early as N1 killed most of the interest in this game. we can't exactly blame the playerbase/circumstances for lack of input..it's more of the tactic and how much bearing it has on the game now.How do you even know my methods is what killed the game? Have you talked to them? I did not fully commit to the flavor methods because I know it is not right. I even provided numerous false infos to make people try. I was being subtle but I also make numerous misleading posts that has nothing to do with the flavors. Yes, I am aware that it makes the game very confusing but it creates activity. And more activity can help us find scum with so many possibilities (ie. slips, fake reads, etc.) .It is just my way on getting people in the game and get some reactions from them and get the feel of their actions because I wanted to make a townblock among all the inactives. I did what I can to make things interesting or so at least to me. If what I did was counterproductive then I have to reflect on it and ask more feedbacks to improve my play in the future. My philosophy when playing this game is to make things interesting. That's why when I am mafia, I prioritize inactives especially Night 1. 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DenjaXDec 26, 2016 1:13 PM
| If Togs turned out to be another inactive town, I am gonna be so salty... BTW, Kota pmed me during the night phase. I did not say anything in the thread so that it won't cloud my judgement and other people judgement. Good thing I got killed. |
| @DenjaX I agree with what Jack has said in this thread I think you did the right things in the game and used it very fairly. Scum is already at an advantage with all the inactives so there is nothing wrong with subtly using the flavor as an advantage for town. You gained a lot of respect from me this game. I don't mind if it caused some confusion, since it did create a town block, and confusion is more fun that having nothing to work with at all. I hope town can turn this game around and win. It's not hopeless yet, but a lot of people are still rather inactive.. |
Astros said: watRinto said: That happened the night before.Umm... @Astros what about Soda's modkill? xD only Ruu and callmeluna were modkilled on night 2 Edit: NVM forgot he was killed with the Day 3 lynch, was confused since you said night before |
KitDec 26, 2016 1:53 PM
| @DenjaX You did good man, don't worry about it. I had a lot of fun joining your cult. xD Here's a medal for your service to the Motherland. Kit too, for fun. :P It's between Togs/Rinto/KOtA/Lucian for the third scum (Still think Karote/Chione are mafia). Not sure if we've just been mislynching or not, could've also been four scum from the start. But yeah. Nothing to go on, so I don't even know if this game is solvable... @Kit I hope so too, but not getting my hopes up. >-> I don't know which side truly deserves the win at this point...Inactive town or inactive scum, take your pick. |
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| @Gruffin Yay! Shiny medal! :D I don't think it's fair to judge who "deserves" a win. Whoever wins, deserves it. Unless there was epic cheating involved. (I may be a little salty about how some people said town didn't deserve to win in nanatsu. I totally deserved my first win, dudes) And anyway, not ALL of the town are inactive, and not ALL of the scum are inactive (from what Jack said). It's kind of just luck which side has to deal with inactives and if the active players can overcome that then they do deserve a win. imo |
| Wow.. 3 scum. Now that I think about it, nobody were scared that me and logic might be scumteam. Mafias knew we are town. xDD So scum is definitely Karote and then Chione with what logic explained. Then the third one must be Rinto-kun for helping save Karote Day 1. I still can't help but Lucian is scum too. I feel like he is being to careful in this game. He usually doesn't care about his safety when he's town. |
| Yeah. I was town. The entire case for me being scum was inactivity and not being willing to let logic control my actions. There really wasn't anything scummy in it. |
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| Which is why I said that I wouldn't have been lynched had I been present day 1, but that didn't happen. Oh well. |
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| Town, Town, Town, Town, Town Scum, Scum, Scum Welp, I just realized they're in mylo. |
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Kit said: I go by the titles. wat only Ruu and callmeluna were modkilled on night 2 Edit: NVM forgot he was killed with the Day 3 lynch, was confused since you said night before https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=1550#msg49068705 |
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Astros said: yeah, my mistakeKit said: I go by the titles. wat only Ruu and callmeluna were modkilled on night 2 Edit: NVM forgot he was killed with the Day 3 lynch, was confused since you said night before https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576908&show=1550#msg49068705 |
| lol Lucian/Chione team making their case against a kota mislynch? Togs pls come back ;-; I should never have switched to kota day 1 >_< we'd have more info bc more ppl would have wanted to search night 1 (or at least night 2..), and we could stop arguing about karote. He ended up not even being that helpful like I thought he might... |
| Town really should not follow Chione and Lucian with the KOtA lynch. :\ It's such a set-up. If we're talking regrets this game, I should not have talked myself out of my Karote scumread after the no-lynch. >.< |
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DenjaX said: I hope Logic screws the etiquette of not flavor hunting and proceeds with it. The scum are playing it easy by killing active people. Kota needs to be cleared through flavor claim.  |
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| Since we are getting closer to the end do you think anyone here is scum?. Also do you want to know who the actual scum are since a lot of you are giving out names now. |
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| I can't believe how dead the thread is now ._. Half of the day phase is up and the only votes are the 2 for Kota @Jackrito I'd say since it's ending soon enough we can wait til the end to find out the scum, although I don't really mind either way if others want to find out. But it gives us dead something to do when we don't know the scum, we can still try to figure it out. |
| @PentaFlare Did I actually die, or is this just solve the game part 2? :P lol welcome Penta~@DenjaX Yeah, I think Phraze hates me xDD lulz..I'd say u had an appropriate tactic for the situation, but the way u applied it was not the best. a big part of ur excuse against me and Penta was inactivity, we explained our inactivity quite a few times alrdy. yet in the end, inactivity was the major reason that pushed our lynches. u had a reason behind pushing us, but u never explained it..only said we were passive players. u should've explained ur real reason, it won't sidetrack the town or lead to more arguments over a very unfair topic. as for ur tactic now.... scum trying to hunt, town trying to play scummy. all trying to push/avoid the claiming. topsy turvy. this is why claiming is best saved for last. it's fine if only a few are in on the game, or know how to play it right(eg. know the bad guy but look for a legit way to catch him) but this town is playing the claim game way too much, that's why lots of inactives and 'dirty play' now. it would be good if the players still play properly while using ur tactic but they just aren't...probably lost interest? when someone doesn't respond to a claim, everyone just dogpiles the first excuse they can to call a lynch. inactivity is a hot excuse now, so that's the dogpile. stats gathered from mine and Penta's lynch. overall I'd say this poor game comes from early claiming. it ruins the motivation for everyone, and it promotes poor excuses....which lead to arguments. I foresaw it would turn out like this. when u cornered me, I outright said it, that it was a bad idea but perfectly fine if u play that way(as in keep it to urself). letting everyone else in on ur game caused widespread confusion...everyone trying to push/avoid a claim. one person is fine, but a whole town is a mess. I'll be pretty honest here, I want town to win, and that is why I was disappointed at the way things turned out.... in fact, even if town wins this game, it won't feel like a deserved win. hmm ok, maybe I am kinda salty... town and scum are all not playing properly, and the holidays aren't the main reason.. it just feels like no one wants to try in this game except Logic.. gg Logic deserves the win this time. [edit: now that ur here Denja, I wanna ask.. what else caused u to lynch me outside of being apathetic/passive? I was dropping u a few clues and to think they were overlooked lol] |
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| @Phraze You weren't inactive. You were apathetic as hell. That is a very anti-town attitude and you got the noose for that. What else you got lynched oustide of that? Nothing. The rest were inactive. And as I said before, I'd rather have an inactive player than an apathetic player. You got lynched over the simplest thing. Get over it. As for Penta, we gave him many chances and free passes but he just failed to fulfil his promises. Why make a promise if you cannot do it? Yes, he is busy in real life but we gave him chances and we do not have anything else to work with. The difference between Kota and Penta was that Kota tried to defend himself while Penta doesn't and just accuse people for lynch and he attempted to lynch someone who he isn't suspicious of. He was just trying to save himself. And if he survives, he will do the same thing again. Inactivity was already there before I promoted early claiming. Mafia did the first move by killing an active player amidst all the inactive player. Their message was very clear so I had to resort to my own. What do you want me to do? To say that my tactic made people lost motivation is a low blow coming from you. I am not gonna accept that until everyone says it otherwise. I'd say that if I did not say anything about that, the game would have only fewer pages than the current one due to pure lurkfest and sheer inactivity. Just take a look at Day 1. It was 48 hours and look at the activity. |