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Nov 27, 2016 8:53 AM
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So this post is mainly for those who have seen every episode until now in season 2.
For those who haven't stop reading right now.

Nov 27, 2016 8:58 AM
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0bilivion said:
So this post is mainly for those who have seen every episode until now in season 2.
For those who haven't stop reading right now.



Nov 27, 2016 9:02 AM
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Because anime protagonist is an anime protagonist
Nov 27, 2016 9:14 AM
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Hisio said:
Because anime protagonist is an anime protagonist


Sometimes I forget that Kei is the protagonist xD
Nov 27, 2016 9:28 AM
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Hisio said:
Because anime protagonist is an anime protagonist


i don't really think about an anime characters as an anime character, i start analyzing them as a real human being.

Maybe I should have asked, what was the author thinking???
Nov 27, 2016 9:38 AM
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0bilivion said:
Hisio said:
Because anime protagonist is an anime protagonist


i don't really think about an anime characters as an anime character, i start analyzing them as a real human being.

Maybe I should have asked, what was the author thinking???


Well, you need to remember that Kei isn't materialistic and he's a sociopath, for lack of a better word. He wants life to be simple and go according to his plans. Before everything happened, he just wanted to study 24/7 so that he could become a doctor asap.
Enter Sato. He wants to take over the country and Kei knows this. Kei has 2 options at this point: either side with Sato and bring the Ajin up onto a throne (which will mean that he won't have that simple life that he wants), or defeat Sato so that he could possibly live a life of peace. If he doesn't defeat Sato, he knows he'll probably come after him eventually since that psychopath seems to be killing anyone who's against him. And honestly, who the hell can hide from Sato? Plus, everyone already thinks he's siding with Sato anyway, so he won't be able to freely walk the streets until he takes him down and proves he wasn't on his side.
Anyway, that's all my speculation, of course. So, take it how you'd like.
Nov 27, 2016 10:01 AM
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BlameSaiki said:
0bilivion said:


i don't really think about an anime characters as an anime character, i start analyzing them as a real human being.

Maybe I should have asked, what was the author thinking???


Well, you need to remember that Kei isn't materialistic and he's a sociopath, for lack of a better word. He wants life to be simple and go according to his plans. Before everything happened, he just wanted to study 24/7 so that he could become a doctor asap.
Enter Sato. He wants to take over the country and Kei knows this. Kei has 2 options at this point: either side with Sato and bring the Ajin up onto a throne (which will mean that he won't have that simple life that he wants), or defeat Sato so that he could possibly live a life of peace. If he doesn't defeat Sato, he knows he'll probably come after him eventually since that psychopath seems to be killing anyone who's against him. And honestly, who the hell can hide from Sato? Plus, everyone already thinks he's siding with Sato anyway, so he won't be able to freely walk the streets until he takes him down and proves he wasn't on his side.
Anyway, that's all my speculation, of course. So, take it how you'd like.


Yea I understand, but what I don't understand is why would Nagai rather rely on the mercy of humans instead of just teaming up with Sato and bringing them down and doing whatever he wants later. His decision kind of contradicts him being a rational sociopath.

Maybe he had a good friend and this nice grandma who sided with him, but the government is the one who is the problem and I did not see Sato attacking random civilians so that is why it made more sense to me to team up with Sato and later maybe if Sato starts acting crazy towards innocent civilians, then it would have made sense to go against him. Well that is my opinion, but I have't read the manga so I'll just see how this ends.
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Nov 27, 2016 10:18 AM
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0bilivion said:
BlameSaiki said:


Well, you need to remember that Kei isn't materialistic and he's a sociopath, for lack of a better word. He wants life to be simple and go according to his plans. Before everything happened, he just wanted to study 24/7 so that he could become a doctor asap.
Enter Sato. He wants to take over the country and Kei knows this. Kei has 2 options at this point: either side with Sato and bring the Ajin up onto a throne (which will mean that he won't have that simple life that he wants), or defeat Sato so that he could possibly live a life of peace. If he doesn't defeat Sato, he knows he'll probably come after him eventually since that psychopath seems to be killing anyone who's against him. And honestly, who the hell can hide from Sato? Plus, everyone already thinks he's siding with Sato anyway, so he won't be able to freely walk the streets until he takes him down and proves he wasn't on his side.
Anyway, that's all my speculation, of course. So, take it how you'd like.


Yea I understand, but what I don't understand is why would Nagai rather rely on the mercy of humans instead of just teaming up with Sato and bringing them down and doing whatever he wants later. His decision kind of contradicts him being a rational sociopath.

Maybe he had a good friend and this nice grandma who sided with him, but the government is the one who is the problem and I did not see Sato attacking random civilians so that is why it made more sense to me to team up with Sato and later maybe if Sato starts acting crazy towards innocent civilians, then it would have made sense to go against him. Well that is my opinion, but I have't read the manga so I'll just see how this ends.


Kei is a sociopath, but he's not a murderer. He doesn't just kill random people without a purpose. Well, he actually never does anything without a purpose. He shows some concern for humans (like Eriko, Kai, and maybe Kou), and tells Sato that he shouldn't be killing unnecessarily. Kei sides with Tosaki not to save Japan, but because too much attention would be brought onto him if Sato continues. He's actually not relying on the humans for anything, he's more like using them for his own gain. In the manga, he even says that it's okay if their entire team dies as long as the plan is carried out successfully (in which Kou starts arguing with him about it). I think it fits his sociopathic personality to a tee.

Kei doesn't care about the government either. Like I said, as long as Sato continues with his attacks, the spotlight will also remain on Kei and Tanaka (since they're the only reported Ajin so far), so Kei figuratively wants to take out that spotlight. Otherwise, he'll be chased for the rest of his life.

Sato does kill his fair share of innocent civilians. An example from the anime (since he mostly does this in the manga) is that building he rides in the 1st season. No one evacuated from that building since they were expecting him to attack the one parallel to it. As long as he gets his thrill, he doesn't care who dies in the process.

I hope that clears up why Kei is siding with the humans as opposed to the other Ajin. He doesn't have an sense of justice like Kou does. He's doing all of this for himself and his goals. Although he has some compassion for others, but not enough to make him want to save anyone without getting something in return.

I'm sorry that this turned into a mini essay >.<
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BlameSaiki said:
0bilivion said:


Yea I understand, but what I don't understand is why would Nagai rather rely on the mercy of humans instead of just teaming up with Sato and bringing them down and doing whatever he wants later. His decision kind of contradicts him being a rational sociopath.

Maybe he had a good friend and this nice grandma who sided with him, but the government is the one who is the problem and I did not see Sato attacking random civilians so that is why it made more sense to me to team up with Sato and later maybe if Sato starts acting crazy towards innocent civilians, then it would have made sense to go against him. Well that is my opinion, but I have't read the manga so I'll just see how this ends.


Kei is a sociopath, but he's not a murderer. He doesn't just kill random people without a purpose. Well, he actually never does anything without a purpose. He shows some concern for humans (like Eriko, Kai, and maybe Kou), and tells Sato that he shouldn't be killing unnecessarily. Kei sides with Tosaki not to save Japan, but because too much attention would be brought onto him if Sato continues. He's actually not relying on the humans for anything, he's more like using them for his own gain. In the manga, he even says that it's okay if their entire team dies as long as the plan is carried out successfully (in which Kou starts arguing with him about it). I think it fits his sociopathic personality to a tee.

Kei doesn't care about the government either. Like I said, as long as Sato continues with his attacks, the spotlight will also remain on Kei and Tanaka (since they're the only reported Ajin so far), so Kei figuratively wants to take out that spotlight. Otherwise, he'll be chased for the rest of his life.

Sato does kill his fair share of innocent civilians. An example from the anime (since he mostly does this in the manga) is that building he rides in the 1st season. No one evacuated from that building since they were expecting him to attack the one parallel to it. As long as he gets his thrill, he doesn't care who dies in the process.

I hope that clears up why Kei is siding with the humans as opposed to the other Ajin. He doesn't have an sense of justice like Kou does. It's doing all of this for himself. Although he has some compassion for others, but not enough to make him want to save anyone without getting something in return.

I'm sorry that this turned into a mini essay >.<


Lol.. ok thanks I get it now kind of. :)
Nov 27, 2016 10:27 AM

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I agree with a good majority of this.
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0bilivion said:

Lol.. ok thanks I get it now kind of. :)


Like I said, this is all my opinion from the anime and manga, so don't quote me on this xD LOL
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BlameSaiki said:
demonskul777 said:


I agree with a good majority of this.


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demonskul777 said:
BlameSaiki said:


I agree with a good majority of this.




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It's really quite simple: Kei's literally been in Sato's head before (remember when their IBMs headbutted each other and they shared memories?).

Something the anime doesn't immediately reveal is just how much of a psychopath Sato is. In the manga Sato's (Samuel T. Owens) revealed to be a Vietnam vet who was part of some unnamed elite squad (possibly SEALs) and dishonorably discharged because he deliberately alerted hundreds of enemy soldiers to his unit's location for fun; they were in the middle of a PoW extraction, pulled off the infiltration perfectly without alerting anyone, and were about to leave when Sato decided that would be the perfect time to fire off his gun. This presumably before he even realized he was immortal.

Kei knows there's no cooperating with someone like Sato, because he's the type who will throw a metric ton of shit into the fan when everything's looking good just to spice things up. In that situation there's only two options: keep trying to find somewhere to hide or team up with someone that has the resources to take Sato down.
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It's really quite simple: Kei's literally been in Sato's head before (remember when their IBMs headbutted each other and they shared memories?).

Something the anime doesn't immediately reveal is just how much of a psychopath Sato is. In the manga Sato's (Samuel T. Owens) revealed to be a Vietnam vet who was part of some unnamed elite squad (possibly SEALs) and dishonorably discharged because he deliberately alerted hundreds of enemy soldiers to his unit's location for fun; they were in the middle of a PoW extraction, pulled off the infiltration perfectly without alerting anyone, and were about to leave when Sato decided that would be the perfect time to fire off his gun. This presumably before he even realized he was immortal.

Kei knows there's no cooperating with someone like Sato, because he's the type who will throw a metric ton of shit into the fan when everything's looking good just to spice things up. In that situation there's only two options: keep trying to find somewhere to hide or team up with someone that has the resources to take Sato down.


oh I see. I should read the manga. Ajin is a really nicely thought out story.
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MysteriousBanana said:
It's really quite simple: Kei's literally been in Sato's head before (remember when their IBMs headbutted each other and they shared memories?).

Something the anime doesn't immediately reveal is just how much of a psychopath Sato is. In the manga Sato's (Samuel T. Owens) revealed to be a Vietnam vet who was part of some unnamed elite squad (possibly SEALs) and dishonorably discharged because he deliberately alerted hundreds of enemy soldiers to his unit's location for fun; they were in the middle of a PoW extraction, pulled off the infiltration perfectly without alerting anyone, and were about to leave when Sato decided that would be the perfect time to fire off his gun. This presumably before he even realized he was immortal.

Kei knows there's no cooperating with someone like Sato, because he's the type who will throw a metric ton of shit into the fan when everything's looking good just to spice things up. In that situation there's only two options: keep trying to find somewhere to hide or team up with someone that has the resources to take Sato down.


This person gets it^
That scene you described literally made my jaw drop when I first read it in the manga. I already knew Sato was messed up, but I didn't realize how messed up until that chapter. Er, and the part when they show him as a little kid... talk about a disturbing smile.

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