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Mar 18, 2016 2:02 PM

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You might want to read this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover
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Mar 18, 2016 2:07 PM

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I dunno man since this is a bastard game I can see it being like this more:

"It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs."

That's why I think that there might only be the 1 casualty if we target Doughkey who is a lover. We can test it if you want. But if what you are claiming is true, then Doughkey(lover) is linked to another lover role. IMO, there are other PR menaces out there that we have to deal with rather than those 2.

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Mar 18, 2016 2:08 PM

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Umm, in the op, both of the lovers are town. You should check the roles.
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Mar 18, 2016 2:11 PM

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I misunderstood what that sentence in mafiascum mean, my bad. I thought it means it has something to do a lover that is bound to a non-lover role.

So scratch that and respond to this:

We can test it if you want. But if what you are claiming is true, then Doughkey(lover) is linked to another lover role. IMO, there are other PR menaces out there that we have to deal with rather than those 2.

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Mar 18, 2016 2:25 PM

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No, we didn't score a kill last night, so in order to be on schedule, killing two townies simultaneously is necessary for us to gain an advantage. Also, study dough's readlist, fairly certain one player in the town section is his lover.
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Mar 18, 2016 2:39 PM

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Well we have a doctor modkilled so I see it as collateral damage for a failed night kill. We're not really behind schedule at all xDD So you are saying the lovers know each other? Who do you think is his other lover?

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Mar 18, 2016 2:48 PM

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Tough to say, but like I said, it'd be good to start with that reads list of his and work it out in the thread from there.

Also, I changed my mind to Kasai. Vote Kasai 2016.
If we push him, and lynch him today, we'll have way less fear about the watcher on Dough, and we can just kill him tonight.
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Mar 18, 2016 2:56 PM

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Sounds cool. I can agree to have it your way if you are doing the killing. I can't risk myself from the watcher xDD

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Mar 18, 2016 2:59 PM

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I can't wait to be voted atm. I just made one of the most bullshit plays in history, and I'm living on a prayer when I say I hope no one notices the dichotomy between Soul, me, and Kasai.
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Mar 18, 2016 3:02 PM

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You'll be fine. You can just claim you are L and everyone will drop their votes on you because nobody will counterclaim.

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Mar 18, 2016 3:06 PM

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Yo, fuq midgame alignment changes, this shit has messed me up hard.

Enh, I'm probably just being a tad pissy atm. I should really suck it up and adapt to the game as it stands, but still, there is so much people in the thread could vote me for.
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Mar 18, 2016 3:11 PM

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Do claims even matter in this game? I'm hoping he screws up and claims right near the end of the phase and we end up lynching him anyway.
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Mar 18, 2016 3:15 PM

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Yeah, if this lynch goes through, I'll actually be p-happy for the end-game salt from Dough after he sees he's wrong. If it doesn't, enh, w/e. We can still kill dough tonight and have him die wrong.
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Mar 18, 2016 3:17 PM

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Oh whoops, just noticed Soul voted Kasai as well.
W/e. Screw it.
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Mar 18, 2016 3:34 PM

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LucianRoy said:
Do claims even matter in this game? I'm hoping he screws up and claims right near the end of the phase and we end up lynching him anyway.
It matters for us because they don't know we have a converted townie. I just need your help to find out who the arsonist.

BTW, you said you used your hidden role cop on Doughkey(lover). What about your normal alignment investigation? What did you get?

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Mar 18, 2016 3:56 PM

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No, I was originally a normal cop, but for the sake of having my role still do something, I was switched to a role cop by lamb, and received role cop results instead.
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Mar 18, 2016 4:00 PM

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Man, now I have to actually establish a clear position in the game.
mmmmmmmmmmmm...
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Mar 18, 2016 4:10 PM

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No, I was originally a normal cop, but for the sake of having my role still do something, I was switched to a role cop by lamb, and received role cop results instead.
I see. Since you said you have 2x role cop, that means you have 1 more usage left since you first used it on Doughkey. We shall deliberate over on who is the best person you should investigate. I actually want to fish out who the arsonist is. I have a strategy on making him useful for us. xDD

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Mar 18, 2016 6:54 PM

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Can we investigate Jackrito? I'm interested knowing his alignment.
Mar 18, 2016 9:25 PM

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I think it's best to see this flip, then we can talk about who I should investigate.
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Mar 19, 2016 12:18 AM

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Denja, man, you've got to learn how to bus smoothly, and bus for reasons that are actually scummy.

Also, there was literally no reason for you to bus at that time. You only want to bus if you have something to gain from it, as I wouldn't recommend it for no reason.
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Mar 19, 2016 5:01 AM

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I'm trying to do something to stand out because I want the cop to investigate me. I guess I should not continue with this stunt in order to please you. You are just being harsh.

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Mar 19, 2016 7:54 AM

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I'm not use to playing team play mafia, so this is fun.
Mar 19, 2016 8:00 AM

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SoulEaterQUEEN said:
I'm not use to playing team play mafia, so this is fun.
What do you mean? You like teammates slitting each others' throats? xDD

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Mar 19, 2016 8:46 AM

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DenjaX said:
SoulEaterQUEEN said:
I'm not use to playing team play mafia, so this is fun.
What do you mean? You like teammates slitting each others' throats? xDD

I rarely ever get good mafia teammates so I am use to going rogue, and murdering them all to be part of town.
Also, what do you think of possibly bussing, Indi?
Lucian is looking pretty bad. My instincts would be to bus him, but I know it's not proper teamplay.
Mar 19, 2016 8:52 AM

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SoulEaterQUEEN said:
I rarely ever get good mafia teammates so I am use to going rogue, and murdering them all to be part of town.
Also, what do you think of possibly bussing, Indi?
Lucian is looking pretty bad. My instincts would be to bus him, but I know it's not proper teamplay.
Alright. I can play along. Let's see who will lynch one of us first. Last person alive will win! >:D

I'm not worried about Lucian at all. I consider him as our Ace in our team. When the opportunity arises, he will claim L and nobody here or even third party will try to counterclaim him. He can act scummy all he wants but he will never get lynched if he played his cards right. xDD

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Mar 19, 2016 8:54 AM

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DenjaX said:
SoulEaterQUEEN said:
I rarely ever get good mafia teammates so I am use to going rogue, and murdering them all to be part of town.
Also, what do you think of possibly bussing, Indi?
Lucian is looking pretty bad. My instincts would be to bus him, but I know it's not proper teamplay.
Alright. I can play along. Let's see who will lynch one of us first. Last person alive will win! >:D

I'm not worried about Lucian at all. I consider him as our Ace in our team. When the opportunity arises, he will claim L and nobody here or even third party will try to counterclaim him. He can act scummy all he wants but he will never get lynched if he played his cards right. xDD

Well, I'm kind of worried about Jack, and the lazy sheep voters.
Mar 19, 2016 8:55 AM

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Oh yeah as for indi. I'm going to try have her lynched. I also want to test this out to verify if Claire is cop.

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Mar 19, 2016 9:09 AM

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yeah.
btw reason why I didn't change my vote yet is that I'm trying to get more people to join the lynch. I want to quiet down Jack's voice, so I hope when coro comes on, we can maybe sway her, maybe Chione too.
because the tied votes are between Kasai/Lucian.
if I switch over to indi, then Lucian is in trouble for getting lynched.
Mar 19, 2016 9:13 AM

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Don't move your vote. I'll vote Kasai to save Lucian.

Alright. So indi seemed to be a lover. More reasons for me to avoid killing Doughkey tonight. Sorry Lucian.

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Mar 19, 2016 9:28 AM

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DenjaX said:
Don't move your vote. I'll vote Kasai to save Lucian.

Alright. So indi seemed to be a lover. More reasons for me to avoid killing Doughkey tonight. Sorry Lucian.

lol I already moved my vote. gdi.
please don't make do that unvote and revote crap again because it will be so obvious that I did it to save LucianRoy
and I already tried to poke Jack, but he's going to suspect me to.
Mar 19, 2016 9:28 AM

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if _Claire_ is cop, we should kill them.
Mar 19, 2016 9:29 AM

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also, if Indi is a lover... I don't think she'd act so selfishly the way she's been doing.
I seen her play more serious in a lover's game set up before, and she plays better team-wise.
Mar 19, 2016 9:47 AM

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I was too late to convince you. xDD Lucian is in deep water because Claire and Jack are definitely not moving their votes.

I don't want Lucian to die. He is an asset to mafia. I'd rather die than letting this happen.

I will vote Kasai or whoever has counterwagon to save Lucian. After all, it was my fault for opening a can of worms. I did not consider Lucian's feelings with this.

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Mar 19, 2016 9:57 AM

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gdi.
how do I save Lucian without making it so obvious?
I can't just go back on Kasai just b/c
Mar 19, 2016 10:01 AM

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I'll think of a way. For now, I thought of forcing indi to claim and then switch to Kasai and then make you seemed that I sheep you in. I don't mind if I get the hot seat with this action. You had your share to be in a hot seat and I don't want it to happen to you again. xDD

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Mar 19, 2016 10:10 AM

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I rarely sheep votes, so pointing out that I sheeped will be instant death for me lol.
Mar 19, 2016 10:13 AM

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I think what I might do is this.
if you are willing to comply.
I am going to pressure you a bit, vote on you. I am going to call you out on white knighting Lucian throughout the mess .
but it's such a sticky situation because you already danced around me saying I'm not scum >_> which felt kinda scummy.
these high risk situations, man.
Mar 19, 2016 10:13 AM

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It is called acting. This is why we have a secret club to begin with xDD We won't point out that you were sheeped but instead make them think that you are sheeped in. There's a difference xDD
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Mar 19, 2016 10:15 AM

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lol I never did this before. normally I murder all my teammates and just go along for the ride.
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SoulEaterQUEEN said:
lol I never did this before. normally I murder all my teammates and just go along for the ride.
yeah I thought you planned to be rogue this game. I can try to work this out myself if you want to avoid this xDD But yeah, I really want Lucian alive.


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I think what I might do is this.
if you are willing to comply.
I am going to pressure you a bit, vote on you. I am going to call you out on white knighting Lucian throughout the mess .
but it's such a sticky situation because you already danced around me saying I'm not scum >_> which felt kinda scummy.
these high risk situations, man.
This is how I play xDD I always take high risk. But I already took that into account. I initially put Lucian into hot seat to avoid him getting doused by arsonist. Yes, I took that into account.

I'm also aware that I have been sticking my neck out recently. This is also what I want. I have investigation immune so I required attention for the cop to investigate me. Also to avoid arsonist to douse me. I don't mind if you try to attack me but my priority is saving Lucian from lynching xDD I can be good at improvising to unexpected developments xDD

So if Lucian gets investigated tonight. He will obviously revealed guilty from the cop because of his alignment change. But I found a loophole. L has hidden ability. He can just claim his hidden is always appear guilty or we could have a framer role(this again lmao). But nobody else will counterclaim L because Lucian is obviously L. That's why I said that Lucian is indeed our VIP.

Time to abuse the game mechanics. xDD Panda will probably see this through if he started caring about this game lmao

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Mar 19, 2016 10:27 AM

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okay, you'll be my new target then.
Mar 19, 2016 10:35 AM

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Well it's done. gonna study
enjoy dealing with Jack.
Mar 19, 2016 10:53 AM

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Y u do dis to me? Legends say that Jackrito is a formidable player. ;-; I'll fight

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Mar 19, 2016 1:06 PM

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you can do it!
though we might want to think about what Jack's role might be.
do you think Chione is a cop cuz I am pretty sure I should have been investigated by a cop by now?
btw. I am not trying to be a butt with my anti team play. but I have to maintain my interaction with everyone, I also think my reluctance to vote out Lucian is going to screw me over somehow, but he did put himself out there for me already so will do my best to work with it.
Mar 19, 2016 1:38 PM

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the cop has to be one of the inactives if it isn't Chione because Jack makes a good point. it is bloody stupid that no one has came forward on the investigation.
as long as the cop doesn't come forward with his investigation, I might be able to keep Jack outside my radar I think.
we might want to consider killing Chione though, or coromandel if we think they are potential cop material, or maybe _Claire_. But I rather rb _Claire_ and kill the other two just quieter down some of the voices, maybe.

yeah I'm afraid of the cop cuz I'm basically effed soon, and somehow got lucky N1.
the rber will get on my nerves too, so I want them gone too.
DenjaX, any idea who might be the rber?
Mar 19, 2016 1:50 PM

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you blocked Chione last night and what I got from today is that she discouraged the blocked person to step up. She doesn't want to reveal herself. Now it got me thinking, could we possibly have roleblocked the arsonist? That would make sense since nobody claimed they were doused. And scum would definitely be hesitant on claiming because of Kasai proposal.

I said earlier that I think Claire is the cop and probably investigated indi. That's why she is protecting her.

So yeah, you are helping putting a nail on Lucian's coffin. xDD I think I'm making progress with indi campaign. I'll keep it up. You don't need to hold back either.

So in regarding to RBer I have no clue yet. They're probably inactive or at least 1 is inactive.

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DenjaX said:
you blocked Chione last night and what I got from today is that she discouraged the blocked person to step up. She doesn't want to reveal herself. Now it got me thinking, could we possibly have roleblocked the arsonist? That would make sense since nobody claimed they were doused. And scum would definitely be hesitant on claiming because of Kasai proposal.

I said earlier that I think Claire is the cop and probably investigated indi. That's why she is protecting her.

So yeah, you are helping putting a nail on Lucian's coffin. xDD I think I'm making progress with indi campaign. I'll keep it up. You don't need to hold back either.

So in regarding to RBer I have no clue yet. They're probably inactive or at least 1 is inactive.

hmmm, not much time left. what should we do? I don't want Lucian to die lol.
Mar 19, 2016 1:59 PM

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Yeah lucian have to be offline at a worst time xDD I'll volunteer to make a scum move and vig will kill me tonight but I'm not worried. As long as Lucian remained alive, I am fine sacrificing myself.

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DenjaX said:
Yeah lucian have to be offline at a worst time xDD I'll volunteer to make a scum move and vig will kill me tonight but I'm not worried. As long as Lucian remained alive, I am fine sacrificing myself.

hmm I rather we don't die.
I say we push a lynch on Karote.
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