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| Nice tit-... err, episode. |
| Interesting history that adds more depth to the anime. Lots of things are blamed as causes and some are debatable but at the end of the day its human nature thats the cause. If only we can know and learn better from our history. But instead we end up idolizing men like Rudolph forgetting that he's also a man, just another human susceptible to the dark side of human nature like we all are. Because he accomplishes great/heroic deeds we end up giving people like him too much power without restraint. Wouldnt want Wenli to have such power either because even if he does a good job theres no guarantee whoevers next in like would do the same. This is one of the reasons Im against a united world with 1 world government. Some think its the answer to peace but unifying power like that as much good it can do it can also bring much more evil. Divisions/disparities in power are always necessary. |
| Initially I found the large cast a problem but got used to it later on (after being able to remember the important names and sometimes checking the mdl character list for reference). I actually now feel the large cast as a good thing since it adds to the immersion of the story. What I mean is, assuming you were in that world in the midst of wars / joining a new crew etc you'd probably be meeting a lot of new people as well as meeting someone & getting their name only to have them die a few moments later. So many people die in lots of episodes, some from foolish mistakes and are easily forgotten. I'd assume in such a warring era, it'd only be the recurring names and and people who manage to stay alive long enough to impact you that'll would be remembered. Anyways I do admit it has its flaws as there are some important characters who where mentioned sometimes to have played important roles but I couldnt match their names to any faces till about episode 35 or something lol. Feels like that takes away from the experience but maybe adds to the rewatchable value of the anime. |
| great episode, I never thought they would use documentary film's style to telling history to the watcher.. It was just epic, maybe one of the best anime's episode i have ever watched.. the score is up from 8/10 to 9/10 ... |
"The Slave is the have-not, the oppressed one with nothing to spare. But because the Slave is in that despairing situation, having nothing, it can kill the Emperor !" |
| Every age is the same. That was a really good episode! So this is what people meant by the "history episodes". I love history when it's taught to be meaningful. Unfortunately, every history teacher I've ever had has focused on pointless memorization of dates and names. =_= I like hearing stories and understanding the foundation of everything I see today. Euh, Rudolf's genocide was dark. How he came to rule was unsettling. People just didn't care to object or consider their own personal freedom or good in light of the lessened responsibility. People really are like that, generally, too. They're so easy to deceive and be led astray like a flock of little lambs. I didn't quite understand the dry ice ship. So they followed out some land mass that was coated in dry ice, outfitted its interior as a working ship, and used it? I don't quite understand how that's possible, but it sounds really creative. If it worked, it would have excellent camouflage since it's basically space debris to begin with. |
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Beatnik said: By 2801AD all the hot women had died. :( Those are not humans... I think one of those swallowed a boulder or something. |
| Loved this episode . . . And don't know why. I mean it was kind of a filler, however I loved the background. The history in this series is actually fascinating, I wouldn't mind watching more of the history, for instance the construction of Iserlohn ... |
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| They said that 1.3% of the population was 4 billion people. That means that there were ~307,692,307,692 people but now it's way less. What the hell. |
| The statement below is true. The statement above is false. |
| This episode really gave a more complete picture about Rudolf von Goldenbaum. But seriously, what was the point of those... those.... nude things... I do not want to go back to check what those things were. Whatever they were, if the episode wouldn't had been so interesting I would had skipped it after that sight. Worst of all is that I was on a LAN party with the scouting movement while watching that episode, not all my friends were lucky as lucky as those who were in the other room. Could anyone explain the purpose of that picture? I refuse to go back just to hear what the narrator said. |
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Vikutasutamiru said: This episode really gave a more complete picture about Rudolf von Goldenbaum. But seriously, what was the point of those... those.... nude things... I do not want to go back to check what those things were. Whatever they were, if the episode wouldn't had been so interesting I would had skipped it after that sight. Worst of all is that I was on a LAN party with the scouting movement while watching that episode, not all my friends were lucky as lucky as those who were in the other room. Could anyone explain the purpose of that picture? I refuse to go back just to hear what the narrator said. Basically to show how depraved society was at that point, really. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Such an informative, and enlightening episode! This is shaping up to be one of the most controversial predicaments of all time, and on a Universal scale at that. 5/5. The fact that it was Julian watching that with us viewers was a nice touch too. Now I feel even more mentally prepared for the remainder of the series. |
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| didnt realize until i came here that the population used to be 300 billion and now its something like 150 right? i kept feeling shocked at the death tolls of the battles we've seen so far but now it makes sense |
| I wonder if wee are going to see Empire's version about the history. Alliance has been warring with Empire for quite a long time, so they might like to demonize their enemy. |
| Its kind of cool that this is basically showing what our history may had been like if hitler had won in space. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Adolf -Rudolf Germanic names Eugenics Extermination Democratic decadence leading to dictatorship huehue. Though in defense of mimicking Nazi Germany, Hitler never garnered much popularity nor did he ever have votes to assume his position. Also ewww those fat hookers |
zzzeallyJul 3, 2014 12:32 AM
Lang said: Beatnik said: By 2801AD all the hot women had died. :( Those are not humans... I think one of those swallowed a boulder or something. That scene came completely out of nowhere lol, wasn't entirely necessary really, felt like the writers were pushing their own agenda. (or maybe having a bit of fun?) Idk I laughed though, broke the seriousness of the episode for a small moment. |
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| Great episode. Nice to see the a huge chunk of history explained. Saw extreme amounts of similarity between historical characters in the anime and real historic characters (Rudolf = Hitler + Stalin). |
Beatnik said: I also found it hilarious that Rudolf's only son was a 'congenital idiot'. A cheap but humorous form of revenge to placate us viewers, almost a 'what if' when thinking of Hitler too. One of the Three Kingdoms rulers, Liu Bei had a congenital idiot son. Some how I found that the writers were inspired by that. Might be wrong, Pure speculation |
| I have been giggling like an idiot for the past minute because of those...things. Oh, man. Would have liked Julian to have commentary throughout the documentary (especially for that scene), but all in all an enjoyable episode. We knew a lot of the basic stuff already but it was nice to have a refresher and some elaboration on Rudolf's actual regime. |
| Loved the history lesson :) Zeally said: Also ewww those fat hookers Dem cankles tho |
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| This episode was awesome. The history of this universe was so interesting and well-thought out by the creators. This show just got a whole new dimension added to it and now everything that's at stake seems even more grand than it was previously. This series just got a whole lot better. |
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| A more informative episode but still very interesting! |
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| Pretty interesting that the lack of faith/religion lead to a decline in humanity. I can actually foresee something like that actually happening in our era. Rudolf's backstory sorta reminded me of Hitler with the whole superior race stuff. Though it wasn't even 2% of the population, killing off 4 billion human beings is crazy. I think this was also the first time we saw a full map of the universe. I finally understand exactly why the Isheron fotress is so important; it's the only available space route (besides Pheezan) of course to get to the Empire or Alliance planets |
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Vexper said: Lang said: Those are not humans... I think one of those swallowed a boulder or something. That scene came completely out of nowhere lol, wasn't entirely necessary really, felt like the writers were pushing their own agenda. (or maybe having a bit of fun?) Idk I laughed though, broke the seriousness of the episode for a small moment. Actually they're on point. An increase of sexual degeneration and consumption of drugs (including alcohol) is evidence of society degenerating in both moral, spiritual and lifestyle which will obviously affect key building blocks like the family structure and sense of belonging. There will be people who resort to cheap fulfillment and engage in crime and other unethical behavior. Of course this is very hard for people living in the Western world of the 21st century to accept because like Yang Wenli said in the previous episode (paraphrasing): people think that their situation lasts forever. Gmancam said: Pretty interesting that the lack of faith/religion lead to a decline in humanity. I can actually foresee something like that actually happening in our era. Albeit this is very hard for the modern secular to accept, religion does have very powerful aspects to it that are beneficiary society. Sure it can prop up wars and discrimination against some groups of people but that comes with anything of power. |
| I like that they gave a full episode for explaining the modern history of LoGH. Shinsekai Yori and Ergo Proxy had that kind of episodes, too. Now it is much clearer how the Free Planet Alliance was formed. It is a shame that politicians never learn from history and make the same mistakes for personal gains and greed. |
| Didn't expect an actual documentary but I can't say I didn't enjoy it. Strongly reminds me of Nazi Germany. Seeing those strippers was pretty wtf lol |
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| One of the most fascinating episodes of the series so far. |
| Yup a huge theme of this show is history repeats itself.. That was a very enjoyable and informative history lesson. Looks like if nothing else in the future the human population has an absolute ridiculous population boom to over 200 Billion people .. considering we have around 7.3 billion people currently. Here's a cool website for a lot of auto updating population stats http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Yeah I def saw the parallels between Nazi Germany and the Empire during out little history lesson. So sad that that shit seemed to happen again and even on a much larger scale, this goldenbaum dude that started the empire literally responsible for the deaths of 4 billion people, that's over half of the current Earth's population.. |
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| I thought I wouldn't like these "history lesson" styled episodes, but it was a really really enjoyable and eye-opening experience. The sheer scale and audacity of this anime is so good so far |
| Phew, what a mouthful. That was definitely an enlightening insight into the history of how these groups developed into what they are now. Rudolph's reign no doubt reminded me of the Nazi party, but this episode pretty much confirmed the parallels between the Alliance and the USA. Come to think of it, our nation is about 240 years old... This felt like one of those old fashion documentaries and carried it out with spot on authenticity. There was one part where they switched from the horrors of the genocide to the fancy noble parties and it started playing happy classical music. I couldn't help but laugh because I've seen that a number of times in Revolution/Civil War documentaries. |
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| When Rudolf gained power there were 300 billion people in the galaxy. Now, as stated in the history lesson, there is 25 billion in Empire, 13 billion in FPA and 2 billion of Phezan. So that's only 40 billion. Rudolf Rudolf and his successors couldn't possibly kill 260 billion people, could they? So what happened? |
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| Quite tolerable for an infodump. I like the untold stories; the period before the "space era" was apparently tumultuous and I bet Wolf and Lin Pao could easily star in series of their own. We've heard several times without explanation that the Iserlohn and Phezzan corridors are the only ways to pass between the Empire and the Alliance. It still doesn't really explain it but if I'm not mistaken that this area is the relatively less-dense stellar region between the Orion and Sagittarius arms of the galaxy is new information. We're dealing with fictional technologies the fiction hasn't elaborated on so we're in the dark but I suppose that's go something important to do with it. Even the narrator seems to be getting in on praise for Reinhard but is not the lesson of this episode the intense danger posed by a nation trusting in an all-powerful savior figure? To his credit Reinhard himself is aware of the danger and clutches his Siegfried locket reminding himself not to turn into another Rudolf but will he succeed? Interesting footnote to see that the adoration for Heinessen in the Alliance is as a mostly legendary figure because while his leadership started the exodus from the Empire he died so shortly into it that what he's actually responsible for isn't too wide-ranging. Nguyen Kim Hua doesn't seem to get enough credit! mozgow said: When Rudolf gained power there were 300 billion people in the galaxy. Now, as stated in the history lesson, there is 25 billion in Empire, 13 billion in FPA and 2 billion of Phezan. So that's only 40 billion. Rudolf Rudolf and his successors couldn't possibly kill 260 billion people, could they? So what happened? The episode quoted 4 billion for Rudolf's victims, 500 million for his grandson's and a further 10 billion subject to exile and slavery which might lead to a crash in that population, but not necessarily. We're not told of any other upheaval until the war begins. Do we have to assume that the war, which we've several times already seen kill millions in single battles, is to blame? The decline is astounding! How could either country have avoided economic collapse from conditions like this? |
Fronzel said: Do we have to assume that the war, which we've several times already seen kill millions in single battles, is to blame? I don't know. If nothing mayor happened until first contact between FPA and GE, then it would mean more than 2 billion people died each year after the war started. It's not impossible, but really hard to believe. |
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| I really enjoyed learning more about the adventures of Space Hitler. |
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| I can see why people think Yang could become the next Space NapoleHitler now. Yang himself probably suspects that possibility should he ever pursue a political career or even get too much power of any sort. Also that statement about the population totaling to 60~ billion bothers me a lot. It's not an outright plothole but it never was really explained properly, and I feel like the author simply didn't care about the numbers when he wrote that part. |
Aure0linOct 6, 2016 8:46 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Good episode giving the background for the story. It's good but i would've preferred it to be more original. |
| Seriously, i'd rather have history lesson like this episode than to have listened to my boring historics class when i was still in school lol. Quite a lot of infomartion was given, stretched through different timeline and many events occured. Yet Artland managed to deliver a well-executed episdode to sum up what happened in the Rudolf's reign and its consequence without boring me. And i think the show change to rating to R+ - Mild Nudity since "you already seen what you might never want to see again in this episode" lol. I don't know if i'm overthinking, but it looks like the RTS game starcraft has its story inspired by LoTGH:  From the name of the race Terran, to the setting about human exploring space (more like running away). Anyway this was a great episode, getting love the show more for every ep counts. |
| Great summary of the Empire origins!!!! |
| I'd been hoping for more backstory. An info dump documentary style is as good a way as any I suppose. It kept my interest the entire way through so mission accomplished (Goldenbaum's son being er defective was a nice touch.) Interesting to see the parallels between pre-Empire humanity and the Rebels currently. |
| This episode was nice to give us a better view of the state of the galaxy. I still think numbers are weird - population usually does not decrease from 300 billion to not even 100 billion without plagues or major catastrophes. Considering how the alliance started with not even 200.000 people even counting in migration (Im pretty sure an opressive monarchy would notice when like 20 billion people flee from known space) it bugs me how they reached something like 25 billion people in such a small period of time. Especially since at the same time the empires population decreased drastically. Also phezzans existence is weird imo. Having some sort of independence is alright, I think about Hongkong here. But since they are still a part of the empire why the hell would the empire not be allowed to travel through its space? This overall weird background limits my enjoyment of the anime. But I will accept it. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Two things that stood out in this episode was those strippers and the number of victims regardless of that it was a great episode loved every aspect of it. Looking back at that history I'm glad that there is not such a dark history in real life. and that bastard Rudolf was the worst dictator I mean killing disabled no wonder Oberstein hates the Goldnbaum dynasty that much. |
Raizel said: Looking back at that history I'm glad that there is not such a dark history in real life. and that bastard Rudolf was the worst dictator I mean killing disabled no wonder Oberstein hates the Goldnbaum dynasty that much. Are you sure? human history is full of fucked up shit, only in a smaler scale than presented here. |
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Timeseeker said: Well I don't know much about history but I haven't heard about killing disabled people in any time and yeah I meant the scale of course.Raizel said: Looking back at that history I'm glad that there is not such a dark history in real life. and that bastard Rudolf was the worst dictator I mean killing disabled no wonder Oberstein hates the Goldnbaum dynasty that much. Are you sure? human history is full of fucked up shit, only in a smaler scale than presented here. |
Raizel said: Timeseeker said: Well I don't know much about history but I haven't heard about killing disabled people in any time and yeah I meant the scale of course.Are you sure? human history is full of fucked up shit, only in a smaler scale than presented here. Nazi Germany had a institutionalized program of mass murdering of disabled people called aktion t4 in wich this episode seems to taken inspiration from, also the killing of defective babies and mistreatment of disabled people was common among many societies in the past, even if today disabled people still strugle to find respect and aceptance in our current societies i think we came a long way from those times. |
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Timeseeker said: That's horrible;-; man I never heard about that.Raizel said: Well I don't know much about history but I haven't heard about killing disabled people in any time and yeah I meant the scale of course. Nazi Germany had a institutionalized program of mass murdering of disabled people called aktion t4 in wich this episode seems to taken inspiration from, also the killing of defective babies and mistreatment of disabled people was common among many societies in the past, even if today disabled people still strugle to find respect and aceptance in our current societies i think we came a long way from those times. |
Raizel said: That's horrible;-; man I never heard about that. Well it's quite a common knowledge for those who're interested in the world history. It's fine if you don't know (best you don't imo), but just as Timeseeker said, human history is full of atrocities like the one this anime showed, there're even worse kind of stories about butchering human for fun/being inferior near my region back in the 70s. |
| Wow, that strippers scene was totally unexpected. One of the best episode imo. |
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