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Ryuutobi said: BGMaxie said: Nah, they can just use their power to make the mass media stir public opinion into believing that Ikki's success is attributed solely to the genes of Kurogane clan. After all, Ikki's hard work is unknown to public. Only those close enough to him knows about that. So, if the public that knows nothing of Ikki's struggles are told that his success was written in his genes, they'll surely believe that & will not have any "strange" idea that is "hardwork makes success".What I'm saying is that if Ikki succeeds, it will create other inspired "ikkis" around the world, which will overthrow the Blazers. And if that happens the "Blazers are strong" idea falls flat, and by extension the "Kurogane are the strongest of the Blazers" holds no meaning if the former loses value. How can the media change the fact that Ikki's only magical ability is physical enhancement and that his magical power is only a tenth of the average? |
Ryuutobi said: BGMaxie said: Nah, they can just use their power to make the mass media stir public opinion into believing that Ikki's success is attributed solely to the genes of Kurogane clan. After all, Ikki's hard work is unknown to public. Only those close enough to him knows about that. So, if the public that knows nothing of Ikki's struggles are told that his success was written in his genes, they'll surely believe that & will not have any "strange" idea that is "hardwork makes success".What I'm saying is that if Ikki succeeds, it will create other inspired "ikkis" around the world, which will overthrow the Blazers. And if that happens the "Blazers are strong" idea falls flat, and by extension the "Kurogane are the strongest of the Blazers" holds no meaning if the former loses value. Its not like they can just lie about Ikki's magical power. Which is abysmally low. And it is what matters. |
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I_am_Pacman said: Really? This is the best they could come up with? These guys clearly control the media, they could have easily made some shit up, killed someone and blamed it on ikki, bombed a school and blamed it on ikki, considering how little proof they needed for this fiasco they could easily whip up something in the backroom and present it as proof. You'd still need photos and such as proof. Remember some AO ranting about Ikki being a pussy for taking Swordeater's spit and Kirihara's beating without fighting back and not banging Stella? Think about how difficult it would be for them to get a grip on him. Not that they actually cared much about Ikki in the first place since he already can't graduate due to the previous principal. It was only after the new principal as well as Ikki winning multiple matches before the Kurogane family begin to take matters seriously. |
GradationAirDec 15, 2015 2:37 AM
Ryuutobi said: BLKWarGreymon said: The fact can't be changed, but the data is changeable. With Ikki's father being the leader of the very organization that holds the data of Japanese blazers such a thing should be an easy feat.How can the media change the fact that Ikki's only magical ability is physical enhancement and that his magical power is only a tenth of the average? And it would fall apart in ANY single real confrontation. Or a test. Its far easier to just squash him, especially since in their eyes he IS worthless. |
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Ryuutobi said: BLKWarGreymon said: The fact can't be changed, but the data is changeable. With Ikki's father being the leader of the very organization that holds the data of Japanese blazers such a thing should be an easy feat.How can the media change the fact that Ikki's only magical ability is physical enhancement and that his magical power is only a tenth of the average? All it takes is a single test to contradict the fabricated data. |
Rime55 said: Ryuutobi said: The fact can't be changed, but the data is changeable. With Ikki's father being the leader of the very organization that holds the data of Japanese blazers such a thing should be an easy feat. All it takes is a single test to contradict the fabricated data. I just want to add this is "only" a fiction for entertainment. Should the bad guys only changed the data, would people find the show more enjoyable ? Everything is for a fictional drama, so one should not bother to look for a more realistic (and more boring) explanation for everything. |
| I don't think Ikki's father wants to get into a "contest" about claiming what data is correct and what is not. Even if they changed it, there are other "sources" that can prove that data incorrect. One the other hand that also means that making completely made up accusations that may perhaps directly contradict facts that others (like for example the principle) have evidence for would be a huge risk, which is why they don't do that and instead focus specifically on things that would not be recorded usually. |
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| Regardless if the backstory like the Lns it's hard to follow social dynamics if you're just tuning in for the anime. Even though star wars had a lot more media than jus the 7 movies including the one coming out in a dew days they were able to iform the people the universe was run by an evil empire. That there are two major factions thatr rely heavily on an energy flow that is in effect, omnipresent for control of the universe. Simply put you don't have to name ever single river, king or wat in your story but make sure the segment can conclude itself. Everything of significance to current should be at least accordingly explained, hence why people are torn between this. We don't need to know why the cool old guy has an eye patch necessarily but we do need to understand, just a bit, how seriously Being a blazery can affect one's status. Apart from a larger array of opportunities. Legend of Korra for example, can prolly be watched with out seeing TLAB, for the most part at least. The main plots and villans or not tethered to that series to the point you would be completely lost with what's going. This episode suffered greatly fue to lack of context. |
| I don't see why some people didn't like this episode,it was pretty nice.i don't know why but i just liked this episode and i liked the fact that it tried to be different than generic harems. 4/5 |
drkurochan said: Rime55 said: All it takes is a single test to contradict the fabricated data. I just want to add this is "only" a fiction for entertainment. Should the bad guys only changed the data, would people find the show more enjoyable ? Everything is for a fictional drama, so one should not bother to look for a more realistic (and more boring) explanation for everything. Good point and honestly, I just find the data manipulation idea quite silly. dArKoPsYcHo said: I don't see why some people didn't like this episode,it was pretty nice.i don't know why but i just liked this episode and i liked the fact that it tried to be different than generic harems. 4/5 I liked the episode, too, but to play devil's advocate, the artstyle changed quite drastically. Such a sudden shift will not sit well with some people and to paraphrase someone earlier, this episode was bound to be controversial. However, to me, had SL not done this, the episode would've been really boring. And it wasn't like SL just flipped the artstyle switch and called it a day. I liked how Ikki's scenes were predominantly monochrome while Stella's scenes were colored, albeit with the old-style graininess. My favorite part was when Ikki talked to his dad. When he was telling his dad about his accomplishments, he was colored (pardon the expression). However, when his dad told him the truth, he went back to being all grey. |
| Ikki father is the worst of worst like the colors of the art,is more dramatic |
| What a silly episode in this silly show. Like wtf just happened? Did they changed director or something? |
| I'm confused...why is this so overly dramatic? I'm really not getting the mood. |
| in this thread we see people who are not getting their generic harem antics complain. |
| Ikki is actually Shinji Ikari in disguise. |
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| Dialogue and story in episode 11 is really good but I am not really like the change animation style in second half especially the bloody rain scene..... I hope Ikki will get a new hope and he will defeat Todo. Hmmmm...this series too interesting but I am not fan for fanservice scenes... because the fanservice concept is quite.....overused and too generic I thnik. I am more prefer to story and characters design than fanservice scene Yeah, I am really want this series has Second Season |
Blade-Fang-KaoriDec 16, 2015 5:35 AM
Fai said: aikaflip said: Exactly. They explained why already. In the first episode. If that's the case, they shouldn't have expected everyone to remember that far back. Fai said: aikaflip said: If this was brought up sooner, all of the drama in this episode wouldn't have felt so sudden and contrived. IT WAS brought up. By Ikki. In the log Cabin. Do people even watch the show? Yeah. I missed that part, or it wasn't memorable. I tend to zone out on expository dialog. |
aikaflip said: Fai said: They explained why already. In the first episode. If that's the case, they shouldn't have expected everyone to remember that far back. Fai said: IT WAS brought up. By Ikki. In the log Cabin. Do people even watch the show? Yeah. I missed that part, or it wasn't memorable. I tend to zone out on expository dialog. Then why are you complaining that they never explained it? This is a case of people going "Oh they never explained this." yes...yes they did "oh well when they explain shit i'm not paying attention." Why are you blaming the anime for something you didn't do, pay attention. Honestly all these people saying it's completely unrealistic and wouldn't happen need to take some history lessons. |
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TheUnknownMerc said: Honestly all these people saying it's completely unrealistic and wouldn't happen need to take some history lessons. People are viewing it from a modern day lens, which is incorrect. Rakudai's world is effectively a post-WW2 scenario where Japan "won" and where their feudal/imperialistic ideals have flourished. It is very much a caste society with the Kurogane's at the top as an almost Yakuza-lite clan with sweeping political clout. The anime doesn't outright explain this, but it leaves a lot of clues about the world if you are watching closely. That being said, some people would rather not have to pay that close attention to understand a show. The show only had 12 episodes to cover a lot of material though, and I'm glad they chose to leave a lot of the world-building out to keep time for the main story, or we could have had another very rushed 35th Test Platoon on our hands. With the limited time they had, Silver Link did a pretty good job with this adaptation. If people want more world-building, Rakudai isn't their show. |
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RealityRush said: TheUnknownMerc said: Honestly all these people saying it's completely unrealistic and wouldn't happen need to take some history lessons. People are viewing it from a modern day lens, which is incorrect. Rakudai's world is effectively a post-WW2 scenario where Japan "won" and where their feudal/imperialistic ideals have flourished. It is very much a caste society with the Kurogane's at the top as an almost Yakuza-lite clan with sweeping political clout. The anime doesn't outright explain this, but it leaves a lot of clues about the world if you are watching closely. That being said, some people would rather not have to pay that close attention to understand a show. The show only had 12 episodes to cover a lot of material though, and I'm glad they chose to leave a lot of the world-building out to keep time for the main story, or we could have had another very rushed 35th Test Platoon on our hands. With the limited time they had, Silver Link did a pretty good job with this adaptation. If people want more world-building, Rakudai isn't their show. Even in modern days we have Britain the Capital of Royal Scandals. |
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RealityRush said: I don't fuck with "ratings". Many shows movies game have been hella redundant But only got good ratings because they followed suite. People were used to them. Me, I can't say what I like but I try not to even refer to ratings because of hype and demographic drawing tropes. It's mostly been the opposite for me particularly withe the action and detail and had gotten worse because of character development, or as I see it trope development.FYI for you all, Rakudai has managed to climb all the way up to #4 on Anime News Networks Season rating list. ANN's episode reviewer finally gave it an A- score as well after starting the Season at a C+ and steadily increasing since. It's slow and steady march of improvement saunters on! |
QWERTYFish25 said: RealityRush said: I don't fuck with "ratings". Many shows movies game have been hella redundant But only got good ratings because they followed suite. People were used to them. Me, I can't say what I like but I try not to even refer to ratings because of hype and demographic drawing tropes. It's mostly been the opposite for me particularly withe the action and detail and had gotten worse because of character development, or as I see it trope development.FYI for you all, Rakudai has managed to climb all the way up to #4 on Anime News Networks Season rating list. ANN's episode reviewer finally gave it an A- score as well after starting the Season at a C+ and steadily increasing since. It's slow and steady march of improvement saunters on! I wasn't linking them implying you had to agree ;P |
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Ryuutobi said: Nah, they can just use their power to make the mass media stir public opinion into believing that Ikki's success is attributed solely to the genes of Kurogane clan. After all, Ikki's hard work is unknown to public. Only those close enough to him knows about that. So, if the public that knows nothing of Ikki's struggles are told that his success was written in his genes, they'll surely believe that & will not have any "strange" idea that is "hardwork makes success". No, no, no. Ikki has a reputation of "Worst One". Pretty much EVERYBODY knows he has low magical performance. I mean that's to my understanding a big deal of why the scandal of the kiss in the first place, for it pretty much equates to "Princess is on an affair with Trash". Ikki IS already known to be a magical failure, there is little the media can do to change that fact, and that is why Itsuki's move is the easiest yet the most cruel one possible. Weaken him and have him beaten and humilliated in public so that he "never tries again". He wants to break Ikki down so that he resigns himself to his fate, and so that he cannot inspire others into breaking the system. The more I see this, the more disgusted I am at this guy. I'm waiting impatiently for the day I watch the episode this entire scheme fails as I expect it to. |
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RealityRush said: You were attemping to bog down the criticism by chiming in with a third party consensus.QWERTYFish25 said: <br />I don't fuck with "ratings". Many shows movies game have been hella redundant But only got good ratings because they followed suite. People were used to them. Me, I can't say what I like but I try not to even refer to ratings because of hype and demographic drawing tropes. It's mostly been the opposite for me particularly withe the action and detail and had gotten worse because of character development, or as I see it trope development. I wasn't linking them implying you had to agree ;P |
QWERTYFish25 said: He did it not just for this episode week but for several week. Just some head up from fellow fans.RealityRush said: You were attemping to bog down the criticism by chiming in with a third party consensus.<br /> I wasn't linking them implying you had to agree ;P |
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QWERTYFish25 said: You were attemping to bog down the criticism by chiming in with a third party consensus. No, I wasn't. I was providing information about the show, as I have done several times in these weekly threads. It's more for fans and people that are wondering how the show is doing popularity wise and to show its ratings improvement over the course of the season. Don't be so cynical, it doesn't detract from any criticisms. |
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QWERTYFish25 said: You were attemping to bog down the criticism by chiming in with a third party consensus. Um.... no. He was just showing how Rakudai is doing in terms of popularity and reception. If you think he did this with an ulterior motive of silencing criticism, you need to relax. It just screams paranoia.... |
| Newest Light Novel spoilers suggest that there is actually another motive to suppress Ikki... and if it turns out to be more than just an implication, then it would make Ikki's father's actions even more petty than they already are... |
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| Oonuma Shin's direction really amped the gravity of the situation Ikki was in. Awesome episode, albeit a bit depressing to watch. Also, people calling it a bad episode because they can't comprehend plot from a school-battle show... smh |
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stuy said: CanzonE said: Such a STUPID STUPID episode. The villain is mean for the sake of being mean. This whole plot line was pulled out of their ass... I get that they are trying to expand on the whole Ikki vs father going on, but ffs make it logical. HOW THE HELL do they have the power to incarcerate a pupil because of a freaking hearing?! And wht the hell does there need to be a hearing for a fucking KISS?! WTAF This entire episode made zero sense to me... Not to mention the start that honestly felt like filler as all it did is give Ikki more insight on Todo's power which he ALREADY KNEW as he says so himself... Shit episode with forced drama 1/5... Talk about a let down... I 100% agree with you i hated this nonsensical episode, they treated him like he had killed someone. (maybe ikii should kill someone, like his father for instance maybe his whole f**king messed up family) Y'all seem to be missing the point of this episode. The charges are supposed to be bogus, the Kurogane family just has that much power/influence/clout that it doesn't matter. It's a kangaroo court, it's all bullshit. This isn't about Ikki/Stella's kiss, that is just one part of a fabricated scandal to discredit Ikki because he is upsetting the "system" of power in place. It just so happens that Stella is a Princess in another Kingdom so that is enough to start the scandal ball rolling. |
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frenze12 said: From what i understand from the previous episode is that Ikki's dad is willing to kill even stella and everyone else that was with Ikki during their trip in the mountains. If he is willing to go that far just to "stop Ikki". It makes this so called trial he had in this episode very redundant. It's obvious Stella being a princess or even being a A-rank blazer means jack shit to ikki's dad. The fact that they tried so hard to add the impact by making it more dramatic just makes it worse. For someone who accuses his son for being "mediocre" he sure did only "mediocre" attempts to ever stop his son. This is probably the real reason why i think Ikki's dad is trash. To think he shares his voice with Aizen is just a big disgrace. Technically speaking, his plan actually would have succeeded if the student council hadn't shown up. Stella was sick and Ikki could only fight the golems for so long. So actually, it was quite a good plan for the little amount of effort it took him. I think that's part of why they chose not to show Stella ripping them up like in the LN, so that there actually seemed a point to it. Now that Ikki/Stella are back in the safety of the school surrounded by blazers, killing them cleanly is no longer an option, so he has gone the route of trying to destroy Ikki's reputation and credibility to maintain the status quo instead. The logic (for an anime) is fairly sound. Yeah if you start looking at it under a microscope, it doesn't necessarily hold together all that well, but why are you watching a battle-harem ecchi with such a fine-toothed comb? You knew what you were getting into coming into this show ;P Also, Aizen's plans always seemed just as silly to me. Not sure why everyone praises that guy as a genius, especially when his plans always seem so easily dismantled by Ichigo getting a power-up he should see coming from a mile away ;P |
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frenze12 said: Hibernape said: Oonuma Shin's direction really amped the gravity of the situation Ikki was in. Awesome episode, albeit a bit depressing to watch. Also, people calling it a bad episode because they can't comprehend plot from a school-battle show... smh Since when does having another opion means "can't comprehend plot from a school-battle show"? Having an opinionated criticism is one thing when it makes sense, but when people start saying this is unrealistic and makes no sense, that's when it turns into opinions because of non-comprehension. |
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frenze12 said: TheUnknownMerc said: Having an opinionated criticism is one thing when it makes sense, but when people start saying this is unrealistic and makes no sense, that's when it turns into opinions because of non-comprehension. Still wrong though, just because they say that doesn't mean you have the right to say "they don't understand the plot". You should ask for reasons, not drop to accusations. We did, and my prime example is someone who stated the anime never did something when it did, and then turned around to state they don't pay attention to the dialogue. Again, when you have an opinion that is based on constructive criticism that's great, but when you are to blame for not having an enjoyable experience, that's not the shows fault. You have other people who also claim this is unrealistic in the sense of what the organisation is doing, yet this stuff HAS happened in the past, therefore it IS realistic. Next we have the stuff happening based on Princess and Trash status being "unrealistic" but again, this stuff HAS happened. So again, not unrealistic. I never stated people were wrong about not liking the art direction of this episode, nor the drama or the progression, that is opinions based on personal like. But when an opinion basis itself on facts and those facts are wrong i will point them out. |
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| The reason to why people think it was bad is because it felt like this little drama story been suddenly push into the series out of nowhere in order to close things up. Ikki back story and emotions was never fully adapt/explain in the anime beside on some rush points on the side, as the anime was focus more on the battles and the ecchi parts.... many watchers now feel lost into the story since they are unable to understand how suddenly the anime became deep or even understand what is it all about.... though i dont blame anyone in this since you cant achieve much on this short period of time. |
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Mrkoalahd said: Tonight(My time GMT + 7).When the last episode will be released ? |
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AP24 said: Really? World is small.NeoAnkara said: Tonight(My time GMT + 7). Just realized we are from the same country. Less than 14 hours, hopefully they announce another season at the end. Also this is for countdown. http://anichart.net/fall |
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AP24 said: NeoAnkara said: Tonight(My time GMT + 7). Just realized we are from the same country. Less than 14 hours, hopefully they announce another season at the end. Not a snowballs chance in hell of another season announced at the end of this one ;P We may get another season, but it wouldn't be confirmed until we see the blu-ray sales end of December. |
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AP24 said: NeoAnkara said: Tonight(My time GMT + 7). Just realized we are from the same country. Less than 14 hours, hopefully they announce another season at the end. As much as I want that to happen, we're not going to hear anything about a second season anytime soon =/ |
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