Gakusen Toshi Asterisk and Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry pretty much identical?

Ex-Machina said:
I can tell the story even without watching : a special school+ bunch of girls sticking to the protagonist then something evil will happen.THE END

Azai-kun said:


Characterization yeah, but I'll rephrase it as in the romance aspect which currently Julis is the highest developed. Maybe it's just personal but I want more (with Julis possibly). XD



I never did mentioned that it wasn’t cliché and generic or different from others. I merely stated the difference of strength between Asterisk & Rakudai. It’s strange really. You picky fans attempts to watch an anime you deemed similar to other generic ecchi harem shows only to showcase your hatred towards them in a discussion forum where people who loves it actually trying to discuss these shows. To deliberately enrage the fans maybe? If you simply hate, just keep it to yourself. Or is that too difficult for you people? I’d advise you to not watch anymore of these shows if you simply can’t stand them in the first place. And again I repeat my other statement from a different post, your opinions are merely subjective. :)

@Dragon_slayer

Ignore him, I don't think he even read or understand my previous statement. *sigh*

Rocksterrock said:


lmao cute. First of all was I directing this at you? No more like I was giving my opinion on how I feel about these shows based on the topic of this forum, I didn't read any of your previous comments on here (nor do i care to).

You think I'm a blind hater that goes around shit posting on every forum right? Wrong. Actually I have sat through dozens upon dozens of shows like these, following along with the fanboys of shows such as these with them saying it's good (pre much why im watching these two shows) but in the end, they all turn out to be the same or following the same uncreative formula and its just getting tiring.

I wouldn't say I'm picky, I'm just the kind of guy that doesn't wanna see the same shows every season is all ;) heck I'd say fucking boku no pico is more creative than these two shows since it doesn't follow the typical fantasy school ecchi route. What I will say with both shows, the animations are really good which makes the action pretty entertaining sometimes, I don't hate the shows (either-wise i wouldn't even be able to sit through them) but by no means do I find them good and I believe that anime like these needs more originality and less generic & cliched tropes. That is merely my reasoning as to why I made the comment that I did and if you don't agree then that's fine.

Now about the differences between these two shows, they are there but really, people are making forums about how similar these two shows are like I don't think I have ever seen so many similarities between shows before, right off the bat there isn't much convincing you can do there whether or not some things change later on in the story. Though I will admit right now Rakudai did surprise me with main couple being established already, its just that pretty much everything else about it follows too much of a formulaic route for me to really care.

I'm not the type to call out people that like these types of shows and I don't care if you do, however, don't go shitting on some random dude's opinion about something just because it's different so you go ahead and keep crying about it :)

taylor_micahl said:

I don't mean to sound like am an butt but maybe you should watch anime from the 90s or 80s it seem to me your uh what the a hard to please kind guy more than likely 90% of anime today will be recycled so maybe some good old faction anime will do ya some good.

Rocksterrock said:

lmao cute. First of all was I directing this at you? No more like I was giving my opinion on how I feel about these shows based on the topic of this forum, I didn't read any of your previous comments on here (nor do i care to).

Rocksterrock said:
You think I'm a blind hater that goes around shit posting on every forum right? Wrong. Actually I have sat through dozens upon dozens of shows like these, following along with the fanboys of shows such as these with them saying it's good (pre much why im watching these two shows) but in the end, they all turn out to be the same or following the same uncreative formula and its just getting tiring.

I wouldn't say I'm picky, I'm just the kind of guy that doesn't wanna see the same shows every season is all ;) heck I'd say fucking boku no pico is more creative than these two shows since it doesn't follow the typical fantasy school ecchi route. What I will say with both shows, the animations are really good which makes the action pretty entertaining sometimes, I don't hate the shows (either-wise i wouldn't even be able to sit through them) but by no means do I find them good and I believe that anime like these needs more originality and less generic & cliched tropes. That is merely my reasoning as to why I made the comment that I did and if you don't agree then that's fine.

Rocksterrock said:
Now about the differences between these two shows, they are there but really, people are making forums about how similar these two shows are like I don't think I have ever seen so many similarities between shows before, right off the bat there isn't much convincing you can do there whether or not some things change later on in the story. Though I will admit right now Rakudai did surprise me with main couple being established already, its just that pretty much everything else about it follows too much of a formulaic route for me to really care.

I'm not the type to call out people that like these types of shows and I don't care if you do, however, don't go shitting on some random dude's opinion about something just because it's different so you go ahead and keep crying about it :)

Azai-kun said:


Hahaha. My bad but if you didn't care to read, then you're just gonna continue on being misunderstood from the actual topic of this shitty thread and my second point is already enough to describe how you unreasonably think so it doesn't matter as you were able to become an example. Since I’ve been seeing shitposting in every MAL forum I go, thought I might give a word or two that might make them think twice before shitposting every time again in discussion forums.



Lol, there’s no difference. Whether it’s your own subjective opinion or not, it’s the same thing if you still watch something you already know won’t go according to your own tastes and expectations and blatantly shitposting & not actually give comments (analytically of course) on the specific aspects on the anime itself in a thread when you are aware that it leads to at least some of the fans starting an argument (like currently).

Regarding the so-called generic, uncreative and cliché shows, I’m not gonna deny that as even most fans and even I agree that there are too many of those however, it is not to say that these shows don’t actually deliver or at least entertain the audience. There are a major amount of manga readers, anime fans and especially LN readers that really like these types of shows maybe due to its romance aspect, or action aspect or simply every aspect. Generic? Cliché? So what, it has a different written plot with developments and can still be entertaining. Denying every single shows you deem uncreative & unentertaining by your own opinion & standards is no question that you’re picky, don’t be denial on that. :) It’s fine if you watch something you still think needs improvement. But it’s the shitposting that I can’t tolerate.



I’m not gonna repeat myself on this subject. I already mentioned the aspects that are at least different between Rakudai and Asterisk and how they are at least on a different level compared to something like Absolute Duo and Blade Dance, so try to at least comprehend what I’m trying to deliver in my previous posts. You claim you’re not the type to provoke people, but it’s clearly evident that you’re trying to reel up the tension by stating something that we, the ones that actually know how good they actually are despite clichés are simply in the wrong. We readers can say that these shows are different and better because of a reason and we at the very least are able to back our claim with the fact that we actually already read the Light Novels. And you? Oh right, you merely accuse us of fanboys just because we like something. Heck you even said you were pissed off because of us so called fanboys try to give our own opinions to non-readers. Aren’t you contradicting yourself there my friend? XD

There are a major amount of readers that actually love these shows and we know how they can entertain and our motivation in these forums are to at least ensure non-readers to at the very least try before you attempt to criticize, even provoking unreasonably without even actually completing the entire thing. (and I mean until the novel itself are done.) If you just simply don’t like these cliché, formulaic shows then like I said before, you are welcome to not watch and not spout any non-factual criticism again in the forums. Unless of course, you simply want to bicker without reason. (^3^)

Still want to continue the argument? Sure but at this point, I've made my point to you that I merely want to give reassurance to people who are actually worried that these shows may not be entertaining to them. If you still think that I'm a guy who is trying to justify something that you dislike by your standards and still want to retort something, then you are merely feeling persistent in forcing your opinions to others. Tbh, I feel a bit relieved that you're still watching them. Means that you at least have a chance to maybe say that it's at least a bit better than other similar cliche shows. If you're still aren't entertained by the time you finished it, then I guess it doesn't suit to your liking. That's all. :)

Rocksterrock said:
Pls. Just actually read what I write because it will continue to go in a loop like this due to your ignorance so I'm just gonna make everything clear to you. :)
-I give my opinion on the topic of the forum at hand, however, you took what I said personally and try to provoke me just because you think it's the right thing to do due to the fact you think I'm blindly hating on the shows. I'll apologize if I sounded like I was talking about you directly.
-I continue to watch these shows because I do enjoy them to an extent, the animation and action is good and it can have it's moments.
-I gave my OPINION on how these shows are very similar and was comparing it to how other shows like this have the same problem. I also brought up the fact that I dislike it when people keep trying to say they are very different when I believe they aren't but guess what? That's just my OPINION and there's nothing I can do about that except for giving my OPINION on it, it just so happens I gave it on a thread that is related. also next time I won't use the word fanboy, I'll just say people since I guess you don't like that word but I only said so since it seems like clearly most of you are fans of the shows and there's nothing wrong with that. I was just giving my OPINION on the formula on how these shows tend to go like
-I still don't understand why you keep clarifying what you originally commented when I never even read it and no I don't need to read what you said to understand and you wanna know why? Because it was your OPINION. Did I go and bash on your opinion directly? No. Whether you feel my OPINION is right or wrong, what gives you the power to change it? I'm not telling you to change your OPINION but you keep telling me to change mine by telling me I should stop hating on the show or I keep making these comments about it that you don't like so you just label me as one of those people that goes to hate on these types of shows when I'm merely giving my OPINION.
-The only reason I continued to go on and "bicker" is because you provoked me (at which you thought was my attempt at provoking people such as yourself). I won't just sit here and let you get away with looking down on my opinion DIRECTLY, which is what I assume you thought I was doing to your opinion specifically.

Alright now that that's out of the way I would like to say, I understand how you feel. I hate it when people give negative opinions about shows I like however there's one thing you gotta know, it's the internet and nothing you can do is gonna change it. You can argue with me back and forth all day but in the end it's meaningless because something like this will arise once again. You don't have to listen to me but I'm just gonna say this right now, just let people have their opinion. Only if you feel that they are directing the hatred towards you personally is when I think you should get involved but either wise just let it be, no matter how much you want these "haters" to think twice about their "hate comments". This website has a lot of elitists though so I get that you're getting annoyed with seeing that type of shit too. Again I apologize if I have offended you in anyway but next time, try not to get so mad directly at what someone says on the internet :) though if you have anything else to say I'll be happy to hear it! Have a nice day!

Rocksterrock said:
Oh my. You're still going, and even after wrote all that all nicely. Whelp as I thought, this is just gonna go in a loop. I'm not sure what you mean by sugar coat but harsh wording or not, whatever I said was still an opinion. I never I said I didn't find my previous statement to be a provocation (though I wasn't really trying to deliberately make anyone mad) but I will say you are doing the exact same thing, except you were directing yours towards me while I was directing towards the thread as my opinion, after all this is the internet and I am allowed to post on forums, right? Look buddy I understand that you want to reassure people about the shows since you yourself like them and you want others to like it as well and think of me as some blind hater that is trying to get people to not watch it but seriously, who gives a shit as to what I say? Who gives a shit what you say? This is the internet, there isn't any sugar coating when it comes to it, that's the reality.

Now that I got that out of the way, it's time for me to clarify everything I have been saying into a way where you understand since I have to keep repeating myself for you. I'll write in all caps too so it's easier for you to read:
I FIND THE TWO SHOWS ENTERTAINING AND THAT IS WHY I CONTINUE TO WATCH THEM AND NOT DROP THEM HOWEVER I DID IN FACT GIVE MY OPINION TO THIS THREAD ABOUT HOW I THINK THAT THE SHOWS ARE TOO SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER AND HOW I DISLIKE THE PART OF THEM THAT FOLLOWS A GENERIC FORMULA, ALONG WITH HOW I DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE CONTINUE TO TRY AND SAY THAT SHOWS SUCH AS THESE ARE DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER BUT YOU DIDNT LIKE MY OPINION AND YOU TOOK WHAT I SAID AS BLIND HATE AND WENT ON TO SAY THAT IM MERELY SHOWCASING MY HATRED FOR THESE TYPES OF SHOWS BY SAYING THAT IM TOO PICKY AND SAYING THAT I SHOULD NOT SAY MY OPINION RATHER THAN EITHER IGNORING OR JUST FLAT OUT DISAGREEING WITH MY OPINION DESPITE IT NOT EVEN BEING DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU. WHAT I SAID WAS NOT MEANT TO PROVOKE ANYONE THAT LIKED THE SHOWS BUT TO MERELY THROW MY OPINION OUT THERE AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DONT WANT NEGATIVE COMMENTS UNDER THESE SHOWS THAT TOU LIKE HOWEVER THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT AGREE WITH MY OPINION TOO AND THATS OKAY. OPINIONS ARE OKAY.

You can read that right? I put it in simple English for you too :)
Now go take a walk, take a break from the interwebs and go live life because many more people are gonna make you mad in life and that's okay.

Just to make this fair I will apologize for the rude remarks I made about the shows and by putting it in a way where it made it sound like I was bashing on it, I know I wouldn't be happy to see it under shows I liked either but hey man, people have opinions, you're gonna have to accept it.

For the record, I just checked out your list to find out that we actually have a similar taste when it comes to anime. So I don't think of us as being too different but merely we just came across a disagreement of opinions.

I hope you can finally see what I have said and I hope you can accept that people have different opinions! If not then whatever. I still wish you a good night!

Azai-kun said:


Haha. Gosh, you keep going on about opinion that opinion this but never admitting the contradiction you made in your first post. Never once I attempt to reject your opinion and force mine onto you. Heck I even already clarified that I agreed to your opinion that it’s generic or cliché, but the way you are putting it, saying that you dislike others trying to reassure you and disagreeing with their sentiment saying it’s the same shit when you didn’t even finished it yet is simply you indirectly saying to us: Hey, you said it was different and interesting but I’m at ep 4 and all I see so far is bullshit, fucking same generic shit.. and when I tried to reassure you back by saying it gets gradually better and if you can’t stand the cliché parts, then you’re welcome to drop, you start by persistently saying that it’s your opinion to say that it’s cliché. Get the point now? Maybe I misunderstood you by saying you’re a hater but it doesn’t change the fact that you are belittling our attempt at reassurance rather than analytically criticize the anime itself. And of course the fact that you are still accusing me of someone who forces his opinion on others when I just want to give a heads up on cliché haters.

Another thing, you say that I’m targeting you specifically but I’m actually pointing out to at all those who says “it’s boring because it’s cliché” type of people. In hopes that those people can have a bit of hope in cliché shows next time. No, not changing their opinions, it’s just be a bit hopeful. If they can’t then it’s too bad. Hopefully, you won’t misunderstood my motivations here lol.

Same tastes eh? Nice. (Kurisu as favourite? Double-nice~) It’ll be better if we like the same heroines in all those other romance animes. *coughs* XD

Rocksterrock said:
Well dude, I never did say you didn't agree to the fact they are cliche or generic, i acknowledged that and didn't mention it but you still bring it up and in my first post when I mentioned that these anime are the same shit, I did say "anime such as these". I was meaning to say that in the route that these two shows were going so far (up to ep 4), I thought that it was gonna end up the same generic stuff we always get (which I still think it probably will) and how I always seem to be convinced by what people say about other shows being different from the typical ecchi fantasy school norm and end up watching only being disappointing due to the lack of original ideas and over-excessive tropes but yknow I guess it was easy to be misunderstood with what I said, I mean I did admit that what I said sounded hateful though i will disagree when you say that I attempted to make whatever you said about the shows unimportant when really I was just giving my opinion on the topic at hand. Sorry if it seemed that way tho, i guess.

I don't have an intention of dropping these shows but my opinion won't change about how I feel that the shows are way too similar but I will say, by the end of both of them (end of the first cour for asterisk) if you end up being right about it becoming different (at least by a decent amount) from each other later on then I'll make sure to mention it here, I mean i can kinda see your point as Rakudai already diverged from the harem stuff (which gives that a plus over asterisk imo) but I still the think the structure of the story and characters will still be as bland as it is now but maybe they will prove me wrong? Who knows.

There are still a lot of plot holes to iron out, a lot of power-ups that need to be explained, characters that need to be developed and just a couple of things that would make both better. I don't think the generic tropes will stop but whatever, you can't have em all. Now when I say all this, I just mean as to put these shows up to the standard a lot of people would find "good" like i still find the shows to have entertainment value but a lot about the shows bother me in a way that I'm sure would bother other people as well and am merely just pointing them out. I understand that people have different standards (like how if I find a show enjoyable to watch then that is pretty much the standard for me as to if i continue to watch it) but I want to mention the parts I think aren't up to standard with some people to give them an idea of what they are going into, like with my original post, if people saw what I said and didn't mind the idea of another generic anime as long as it had some enjoyement (whether it's from the action, the romance, the fanservice,etc.) but some people (elitists mostly) are looking to see if the anime has a good structure (mostly in terms of plot,characters,etc.) and that not everything in there is "an asspull" and which is why I made my remark, just to give my opinion on the whole "differences" topic when it comes to these shows and shows that are similar. I understand that you want to reassure people about these shows and didn't mean to imply that you were the type to force your opinions on others, though you were directing different opinions at me but that's besides the point, didn't think I made it too unclear but oh well. Just to add tho, as to when you mention me as one of those “it’s boring because it’s cliché” type of people, I wouldn't say that's true as I've said numerous times that I find the shows entertaining and that I think the line between entertainment and critique is different. Hell sharknado is a piece of shit but its still hella fun to watch. xD

There we go. I think that about covers everything.

Now with that aside if you are team tsundere (seems like you are judging from ur favs) then you definitely can't be a bad person and therefore don't even wanna continue this :P Hope we can come to an agreement on this whole matter.

~Asterisk~

1) Chemistry between the MC and main heroine(Julis) in characterization, developments and even battles.

2) The plot may seem generic at first but it’s very expandable since there are shitload amount of factions with a variety of likeable characters in it and how their own respective motives affect the main plot.

3) The Festa Tournaments. This is their ultimate card(at least for me) since the Festa has 3 different tournaments and even one tournament took 3 volumes of the LN to actually conclude it which means that the fights are incredibly detailed.(I’m not exaggerating XD). The 3 tournaments are Phoenix (2v2), Gryps (Team Battle) and finally Lindvolus. (1v1) Seriously dude, it’s like watching a game or football tournament. That’s how exciting it is. Also, there is another tournament but you’ll have to wait the anime to explain that one. This also means that Asterisk tournament is far superior than Rakudai’s tournament which only consists of a 1v1 duel. (Although they may implement it in later volumes depending on the author’s decision.)

~Rakudai~

1) By far, it has the best romance quality among the 3 since the relationship between the two mains are what drives the plot to its full potential.

2) Linear plot, means every single event is related to its main plot which emphasizes the romance factor as oppose to the harem factor which usually branches off. Also, this makes it less confusing and more understandable. (For those who are interested in linears.)

3) Anime has better fight animations among the 3. (Even though Asterisk is more detailed in the LN)

~Taimadou~

1) Like Asterisk, the chemistry between the MC and main heroine (Ouka) is really well written.

2) I want to mention the fights but the anime ruined every single fights they did so far so I wouldn’t count on this factor too much… at least in the LN it was far better.

3) Considered the darkest among the 3. The plot gradually gets darker in every single arc to the point of Akame-tier despair. (Yes, there are loads of deaths due to this but the anime won’t go pass vol 5 which is even more despairing so oh well) Also, the plot settings are quite vast, which can confuse the audience at first since we don’t even know who is good or who is bad and what is related to what and how is that related to that. Lmfao.

Rocksterrock said:

Now with that aside if you are team tsundere (seems like you are judging from ur favs) then you definitely can't be a bad person and therefore don't even wanna continue this :P Hope we can come to an agreement on this whole matter.

Yuu_x_mika said:
Both storylines are good. But Asterisk has better artwork and graphic quality.