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Nocturnal said: Mich666 said: Could her sister be her? Or rather could the dead one be her sister? Cause I really don't think someone as scheming as Magata (as we were shown in the end in ferris wheel) would die so easily I thought as this as well, the way they keep emphasizing that the sisters look very alike makes me wonder, too. I am sure the little sister will end up being very relevant to the plot, whatever her role might be. Or she could be a red herring. Magata's past is like a nod to Utena. The car scene was already hinting in that direction but the Ferris Wheel pretty much sealed it for me. r0ykun said: My even crazier assumption is that Thought also crossed my mind. |
| Well, maybe the killer was inside the room for 15 years. |
Equitum said: Nocturnal said: I thought as this as well, the way they keep emphasizing that the sisters look very alike makes me wonder, too. I am sure the little sister will end up being very relevant to the plot, whatever her role might be. Or she could be a red herring. Magata's past is like a nod to Utena. The car scene was already hinting in that direction but the Ferris Wheel pretty much sealed it for me. Thought also crossed my mind. True. |
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| lol everybody posting all those crazy theories and I'm all like That would be too simple tho |
| Baby, daijobanai... |
herrickluk said: I also like the possibility of nishinosono being involved in the murder. She only recently knew that magata even existed. Nobody is factoring in the doll thing Magata mentioned either. |
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| I think Magata was killed by her own child who was born after she entered the room. - that's the perfect insider (: |
| Maybe the director did it, then killed himself. |
SASHIHARA said: I think the killer might be That's close to what I'm thinking, which is Also, I think that Nishinosono has been portrayed rather negatively (or at least as an egotistical rich girl) to give her depth and contrast when she ultimately becomes a character that the audience sympathizes with. If she were easy to like from the beginning, she would be pretty one-dimensional. Regarding the child theory: Be honest -- can you see that 13-year-old deliver her own baby... then care for it (alone) without any access to things like medical care and baby food/clothes? |
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| Why do you assume she was the only one knowing about her child? There are other people possibly involved. That's just my idea (: |
UTSUBESHI said: Why do you assume she was the only one knowing about her child? There are other people possibly involved. That's just my idea (: You're right. There could be, though it seems pretty clear that no one went in or out of those doors in 15 years (P1 excepted). I don't suspect it would anyone other than the director (who now, convenient, can't shed light on anything). It seems that if any of the other staff who were present knew anything about a child, they certainly weren't talking about it, but it's also possible that person is the culprit as well. Also, I didn't see anyone else mention it, but it looked like, in episode 2, the door to her room was a double door (like an airlock) where the outer door opens, you go in, the outer door shuts, and then the inner door opens. Though I don't know what significance this will have, I feel like it's too important to overlook. |
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| ohh, i like the setup for this murder mystery we have here. so far i don't really know who to suspect, but i do think that the two sisters might have switched their roles. |
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| omg omg omg what the fuck she actually ended up fucking her uncle. The car scene may have been circumstantial...but that Ferris wheel scene went way past the implication stage. Holy shit. There are a lot of theories going around the internet right now: 1. Moe is the killer because she's possibly a split personality or something and has been shown to be just as mentally weird as Magata. (highly possible) 2. Magata had a child and the child killed her in the room. (highly possible) 3. Magata is actually her own child. She fucked her uncle on the ride when she was 13. She killed her parents when she was 14. Child would have been born by then. Perhaps the child was sent there and locked up; explaining why she looked so young. Meanwhile the real Magata is loose. - On top of that, also heard the possibility that Magata's sister is actually Magata. She would be 29, so she would look her sister's age. This then raised the theory of whether her sister was actually locked up and killed, or Magata's daughter. (somewhat likely that either ends of this theory are true). 4. Magata is actually Red Magic. Being the genius she is, she could have found a way to upload her conscience into the program like a sci-fi movie. This explains why the system went down, and how the P1 bot could get in; if she had access to all of the systems, she could control camera feed, robots movements, things that could be shipped to her, etc. She might've murdered herself as the ultimate murder (not likely). RediceRyan said: 15 years in solitary confinement is really harsh. Hard to believe no one has been in that room nor are there video cameras. Actually it should be multiple rooms, like a kitchen, bedroom and bathroom. Very strange form of imprisonment, why not a regular high security jail? Because she was never actually charged with muder...and she's a genius who's making scientific contributions. By keeping her isolated from people and keeping her in a high tech lab, people get the best of both worlds. |
| Finding the murder mystery aspect a bit cheesy but the past conversations with magata are really interesting and it's an interesting narrative structure too. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| That was interesting but damn, the cliffhanger is leaving me hanging. I kind of want to drop it and come back to it later when it's finished airing. There's a lot of shit going on that I want to rewatch everything from the start just to catch onto everything. Loving the ED theme so much. |
| Characters are pretty lame so far, especially Nishinosono. Everything seems all to convenient at this point but I guess I enjoy the genre too much to give up yet. |
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| The dialogue is so stupid and pretentious. Red refers to a color. Communism and blood LOL Literally what does that have to do with anything Episode rating Pedophile / 10 |
Zeally said: The dialogue is so stupid and pretentious. Red refers to a color. Communism and blood LOL Literally what does that have to do with anything Episode rating Pedophile / 10 I like the part where the recommendations say that its a highly philosophical anime like Ergo Proxy, or that it is filled with a lot of esoteric references to computers like Lain. |
| wait what they did in ferris wheel??? |
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| had a feeling the director was dead when i saw his first expression... feels a little odd at the end considering she was only 13, but its actually understandable what happened there.. her mind was probably of someone 3 times her age. Cant wait to see what happens next... the pacing is slow, but deliberately so, and for a mystery novel, its usually the case. What im glad is that all scenes have a purpose to them. |
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| Things are starting to go down. Everything is building up. Can't wait to see more Though for some reason I'm inclined to believe that all this might have been planned by Magata herself and Magata's sister might actually be her xD. |
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| I'll put my guess out now. She was pregnant when she went into isolation. The wedding dress hid the kid, who slipped out when the P1 reached the corner. |
Dariamus said: I'll put my guess out now. She was pregnant when she went into isolation. The wedding dress hid the kid, who slipped out when the P1 reached the corner. I have thought it this and it still does not seem very logical, why would this kid kill her mother is such brutal fashion. Also its not like she had to hide the kid in the first place. It would raise a ton of questions if this turned out to be true. Still a legit possibility though. |
| The issues with Red Magic demonstrate years of forethought went into this. The question is, how many years? |
| Shit got so fucking real.....It made me sad to see that Dr Magata is dead TwT Gotta say that this episode had me on the edge of my seat and I really felt the suspense every minute....Great episode Moe was really awesome in this episode too and of course I was right.....Dr. Magata had a sexual relationship with her uncle....Gross |
| The mistery is getting interesting that has to be said. |
| I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
| I feel like this anime adaptation is not really doing it for me... maybe because I already know the answer but the drama was far more entertaining. Oh well. RediceRyan said: 15 years in solitary confinement is really harsh. Hard to believe no one has been in that room nor are there video cameras. Actually it should be multiple rooms, like a kitchen, bedroom and bathroom. Very strange form of imprisonment, why not a regular high security jail? Yes it's not actually a single room, it's more like an apartment behind those doors. She is making money for the lab after all. |
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| Wait lemme absorb all of this. So that means Dr. Magata is really dead? I was kinda refused to accept it since she's an interesting character right now (plus Kido Ibuki voiced her). Whatever happens, I think it will be good hopefully. |
| The world shall know the truth soon. |
| Excellent episode. The plot thickens and the mystery develops. I appreciate the fact that the whole series isn’t over-dramatic. I still love the fact that this is a continuous mystery, and not episodic. Again, the pace is good for this type of series. Faster pace would just ruin the atmosphere. Anyway, once again, great way to end it. The bad: waiting for the next episode. Waiting until the whole series is done will be the best way to watch this, but I doubt I will do that since I pretty hook with what’s going on right now. |
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| I love the mystery they are doing. I think everything will be related in the end even this stranger her uncle, let alone that she lived only 13 years and has lost her virginity |
| Just the kind of shows I've been dying to watch, murder mystery anime which I have no idea who possibly can be the culprit. Most surprising show of the season so far. (: |
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| The problem with the child theory is that in the flashbacks she has 13, while she killed her parents with 14. The kid would've born at this time. I go with the theory that Magata and her sister switched sides and the dead is actual Miki. Just before Nishinosono being call Magata was going to say something like "I've never had somehitng like this" (referring to Nishinosono's family) so being the sister who never got any attention and being forced by her sister to accept the prison sound legit to me. |
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| Since this is the 3rd episode and usually people drop stuff after three episodes, it might be a good time to say this. If you are interested in the mystery but one or more of the following applies to you: - You find Moe unlikeable due to her being annoying - You find Saikawa unlikeable due to too much pretentious dialogue and chain smoking in-your-face - You find the depictions of paedophilia disturbing - You find the pacing boring PLEASE TRY THE DRAMA. This case is in Episode 5 and 6 if you're only interested in that. IMO the mystery is cool so even if you're giving up the anime you can still watch it in another form. For the rest who are loving this show, ignore this. |
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| what are those eye drops for? how do you survive in a solitary confinment for 15 years?! and why would you even choose to do that?! |
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| This anime is getting more interesting with each episode it makes me wonder what will happen next. The mystery is certainly developing nicely in this anime. |
| The wedding dress could maybe symbolize new beginnings? In Eastern culture brides often wear red for good fortune as well. (If they’re being traditional with it). Also, I don’t think Magata is dead. She might have just cut off her hair and is impersonating her sister. No one’s seen her before right? (I’ve got a terrible memory sorry if I’m wrong…) Besides, we see her sister on the ferris wheel in the end anyway. I'm not entirely sure how to put pictures in forums, but Moe even says, "but they really do look alike." |
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| The ending was very shocking and I wonder who is behind the killings poor director. |
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| About the child theory - Moe calculated that a normal (adult) person couldn't pass through the small passage in the guards' room, but what about a child? They could certainly fit through that, at least up to 10 or 12 years old. Anyway, I think that an important hint was given to us by Saikawa - that everything was planned a long time ago, and that Red Magic seems to have been projected with a bug to begin with. |
| Pretty sure Nishinosono killed Magata. It was stated that Nishinosono was angry at Saikawa for being smarter than her, so having Magata figure her out so quickly during the video call likely sparked the same anger in Nishinosono. Likely Magata "liked" Saikawa as well, and given that Saikawa is so obviously fascinated by her, it gives Nishinosono 2 main reasons to kill off Magata: 1. Saikawa likes Magata (=Nishinosono's interpretation of his fascination with Magata) 2. Magata is smarter than Nishinosono And maybe a third reason, given that the video call is being revealed to us bit by bit, is that Nishinosono is a murderous basket case, which Magata also figured out despite (or because of) Nishinosono's airhead facade. ------------- This is a crazy theory, but there's a chance Magata=Nishinosono. I keep remembering the parallels drawn last episodes, where Nishinosono was literally repeating word for word what Magata was saying. Now what are the odds of Nishinosono knowing the exact wording? If the pedophile who molested Magata is Nishinosono's dad, maybe she could have heard it from him, but why the heck would her dad talk about the affair with his daughter? Unless Nishinosono tortured and killed him, which draws another parallel with Magata killing her own parents... I don't even know where I'm going with this, but there must be a reason the show is drawing parallels with Magata and Nishinosono. Either Nishinosono is Magata's successor, daughter or is Magata herself. |
| Wait, how could Nishi have killed Magata if they arrived on the island that very day and Magata had been dead for days? |
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| Wow, this show is so good. I was so nervous while watching this episode >< They are trapped with the killer! Or are they? I will try not to read any theories for now. Moe could seriously afford to be less cheery… girl, there’s an amputated body right next to you. |
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| As expected, a locked-room case where the killer may have planted him/her/itself inside from the start...at least, that's what I was inducing a few minutes into the episode (before Saikawa echoed it a few minutes later as well, in regards to the no-exits room and the theoretically perfect security system). I half-hope that I am right in this regard, but I also half-hope that the show pull the rug from under me and give me a completely different answer; as long as its coherent and makes sense. Moe is really growing on me...her attention to detail is astounding and she's able to percept what she observes in amazing ways...dat cigarette deduction took the cake; such a tiny moment, but I was clapping for her at that point. Intriguing show, hope the 11 episodes will provide a thrilling mystery. |
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Lucasloco91 said: Come on don't be a philistine, this show is amazing. It's okay if you get what you are seeing.This show try to be deep and psychological but it's just shit .. |
| Best episode soo far. The suspense was hight there, i got astonished when they found out that that was the real dr nagata, and now the director is also death (suicided or killed?). The OP is starting to grow in me. |
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