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Takuan_Soho said: Why, I don't know, but your own words expose you. Here is a simple question, do you doubt Singapore's murder rate? Iceland? Or even the UK, France, or Italy? Nope. You are doubting Japan specifically, and that is where judgment comes into question. I am not doubting Japan specifically, I even gave you the statistics of unemployment in the US. I really enjoy debating with you but you have to be consistent in the way you argue instead of assuming things I have not said. I also said you get the numbers you look for and that statistics are not always your friend. Takuan_Soho said: A true skeptic would be equally skeptical of all statistics, you are not, you are particular about your skepticism, which both requires a judgment to be made (Japan's statistics are lies, but not the UK or France), and this is where you cease to be skeptical. I really think you should look over the definition of scepticism. We are discussing an anime with a story in Japan, with a flawed legal system and someone (you) posted an article with Japan having all time low murder rate for 11 years. Why would I start to show my scepticism about the murder rate of all countries? I gave some examples because you kept telling me I'm delusional not sceptical. Do you have an issue with me being sceptical of the low murder rate of Japan? Is it a fact that cannot be questioned? Takuan_Soho said: What you have stated is not "doubt", but a statement of what you believe to be true, which requires a judgment. Why don't you quote everything? What about the part where I said it could be the same or higher? How can I make a judgement without knowing the exact situation? I am doubting something based on personal experience, I can be wrong so no, it is not what I believe to be true. Again, how do you know it is something I believe to be true? Delusional assumption. Takuan_Soho said: Yes, universal, which means that it applies equally to all countries and thus is meaningless to this discussion because it says nothing about Japan in particular. Fair enough. Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: In Japan, I saw an intergeneration fracture, the old, the adult and the young are not as connected as other Asian countries. Another judgment based on your belief, see, you are not as skeptical as you think! It was an observation so it has nothing to do with being sceptical. And how would you know how sceptical I think I am? You on the contrary is making a judgement that my observation is based on my belief. We may not see the same things my friend. Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: And please explain when a person taking care of an old lady starts to think about putting her in a locker. Again, let me doubt your hypothesis. When they have to figure out a way to bury her after she died. Burial in Japan is expense, coin lockers are not. But again you are drawing one example and trying to make it universal. No one denies that Japan has murders (939 last year), this could be one of them, but it says nothing towards your strange delusion that there are 100's of unreported murders happening every year in Japan. Again, read more carefully. What is universal is people being socially isolated which to you is irrelevant to this discussion. I never said putting old ladies in lockers is universal. I did draw an example but I did not make it universal. Also, it seems logical for you that someone taking care of an old lady puts her in locker after she died to avoid paying for a burial. Seriously, I fail to see the logic here. Who says the person caring for her has to pay for burial expenses? But thank you, because if what you say is plausible, then my observation of intergeneration fracture would make sense otherwise no one would make such a disrespectful act of putting someone who died in a locker instead of giving a proper burial no matter how expensive. I also dare you to quote me saying that there are 100's of unreported murders happening every year in Japan. If you go back to my original post, I said a low murder rate might have something to do with unrecorded murder cases which is very different from your assumptions. Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: My personal opinion is that it is easier to kill and get away with murder in an urban area than in the countryside. Japan has the city with the highest density of population for an urban area, how does that help keeping a low murder rate? Thin walls, lots of eyes, lots of cameras, lots of police (on every corner), difficultly of disposing the bodies. I agree with you. However, these are not specific to Japan. I would like to know how the murder rate is still different with other countries. The UK, lots of police, no harmful objects allowed, lots of surveillance (possibly the best in Europe)... I wouldn't know about body disposal. Yet, different murder rates. I'm sure many other factors can explain it. Takuan_Soho said: Kagami's overworking is not why his sister died. His sister died because the writer, banging on the only plot idea he seems to have had another serial killer be released unsupervised and he targeted Kagami's sister. All your babbling about "overworked society" wouldn't have prevented that from happening. I don't care how his sister died. And my babbling on overworked society is about how it helps murderers. As I said before, isolated targets are easier to kill than someone surrounded by a group or with someone else. Maybe I should have started with the reason why I found it to be the best episode. Unlike the previous ones, this one had a more serious tone which I believe is more adapted to a story full of murders. Also the transition of Kagami and his thoughts were well delivered. I knew from the start that his sister would die just like the cute little girl before. It did not change the fact that it was more enjoyable FOR ME, I consider it the best episode so far. You can criticise the episode all you want. Call it unoriginal, unrealistic, predictable. Originality is not necessary if you enjoy the genre. If I wanted realism, I would not watch a show where murders are committed every episode just like in Detective Conan or Kindaichi. As long as the story has a certain level of coherence, I'm fine with it. And I like vigilantism, it's as predictable as Batman. |
| I am so glad that the child killing bastard got his due judgement in this episode! I also can't fault Kagami for becoming Twenty Faces knowing that his sister was killed by a serial killer that kept getting off on an insanity plea! Man these stories are messed up, but I'm enjoying the psychological aspect of them! |
| So glad that I'm not a huge manga reader, because the manga readers WHINE WAY TOO MUCH and have to RUIN every adapted anime for the ANIME ONLY WATCHERS! |
| This was certainly the best episode yet! That being said, I am not sure if that is a good or bad thing considering I am not even sure why I am still watching this series other than weekly boredom. This episode was so nice and normal that is contrasts the others well. Kagami got more backstory and development than any other character so far, wow. When are the others going to get anything? What happened to his sister was predictable yeah, but that didn't make it any less awful to see it happen. It was much more gruesome than I thought it would be, poor girl. Plots like that you can always see coming from a mile away but it always still hurts. Hopefully the rest of the series follows this type of episode rather than the first few. |
| I gotta admit I really enjoyed watching this episode (or this arc, rather). It really impacted me-- I know that if something like that happened to someone in my family, I would probably react in a very similar way (obviously failing at it cuz I'm s0 weak boiz). We also got a nice setup-- 20 faces isn't just 1 peson (though the original 1 is probably going to show up sooner or later), but rather, a group of people who agree with his ideology. That's nice. I agree with baffledprince: I hope the show continues on this line, and leaves the silly comedy behind. |
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Don't care what anyone says but I think Kagami's actions were right. Just wish he was more careful about it.  Best part. That ugly fat f*ck finally got what he deserved. Should have happened a lot sooner.  |
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CookingPriest said: Very emotional and great episode. We found out Kagami's motivation and what happened to his sister, as well as getting some very nice commentary about justice system in japan, especially the mental illness treatment procedures that were altered in 2005 reform(look up on the internet, what is covered in this episode is very much real problem, highlighting the problems of mental rehabilitation facilities in japan and japanese justice system overly reliant on confessions above all ). It gives us nice psychological profile to Kagami and showcases how he was inspired to take up 20 Faces Mask and how it connects to Akechi as well as establishing the whole 20 Faces being multiple people idea(as opposite of him impersonating multiple people in original novels) Overall quite a beautiful study of ineptness of justice and court system as well as what drives people towards vigilantism. 5/5 I liked this episode a lot. kagami wasn't insane. just I like how different sides of justice were shown. I always wonder too, what can the law protect... something needs to be done without just classifying as tragedy. |
| This show has a good premise but the execution is poor. I felt nothing for Kagami and his loss, they just didn't do enough to make you feel anything. Felt more like attempted cheap feels than anything. Gonna drop this, every episode makes me feel the same thing, and even though everybody keeps saying it's getting better, I don't see it at all. Ah well, I tried. |
| Can this series be anymore cruel? I hate my life for watching this. |
| This series is pretty shit but still a somewhat enjoyable trainwreck, the justice system in this series is pretty darn retarded and while I know that things like this happen where will claim insanity to justify their crimes, I cant help but find it hard to believe how any of these criminals would be released so easily after what they did. |
| Finally that uber fat psycho predatory murder gets exterminated. I laughed at his death. No way could the Japanese legal system be that bad lol Its bad but not that horrible. |
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| Who was Sunaga (the last guy Kagami was talking about)? |
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| About this episode ... It was so previsible and yet so painful. :( :( |
LegnaOnFire said: Who was Sunaga (the last guy Kagami was talking about)? The tongue guy who goaded them and whom Kagami almost shot. |
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| this series gets better each episode |
| Anyone have a name for the song near the end '18:30-21:00' ? |
| Wildly exaggerated episode that extremely skews criminal psychology by selectively only presenting highly biased and overly dramatized cases and purposely put young little girls as victims (come on, really? we had enough in the last few episodes...). Panaru said: The fact that nearly every episode leaves me seething in anger is a good thing. You see, that's the problem with this series. Instead of focusing on mystery it focuses too much on the drama and artificially playing with the viewers emotion. Hard to explain how all the criminals appearing in this later arc are pure one-dimensional evil characters. If this is meant to be a satire, then it really failed. I can give it the benefit of doubt but question the motive behind this setup. (I mean, I have read MPD Psycho and Psychometer Eiji so I'm familiar with similar genre so I can accept the settings but the motive behind the narrative in MPD and Eiji are completely different) The first case in the first episodes, despite being a bit too simple, was actually good compared to the later ones so far. Hopefully we will see an improvement in the coming arc. This arc was a big letdown. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| I feel like this show is a bit underrated. |
| I sorta liked this episode though. Mostly cause we didn't have that shitty trap of a MC and his supposedly gay assistant. But yeah, I'm guessing the Anime'll be back to being bad soon. |
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Jonesy974 said: Very much THIS! What broke my heart was the tragedy that Kagami had to deal with. Had to feel for the poor guy. In the end he turned into a remorseless monster, committing such a slow and sick torture on the bastard which used it originally to kill the little sister. But Kagami did not become heartless which is why he did something so cruel. And that's what made me cry at the end. The feels were real. And of course, it was expected that the sister would die, or rather that she was already dead. But that was a strength and not a weakness of the story imo. It created a foreboding sense of impending doom. Knowing her death was coming, every time you see her, so innocent and cheerful, and working hard towards her dream and to support her brother. That's what made it emotional. If her death came as a surprise, there would've just been a sudden moment of shock instead. |
| I was so sick of seeing that fat fuck. |
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LightTsunami said:  XD 1++++++++++++++++ |
| Feels a lot like Psycho Pass all of a sudden with all the crazy murders. Liked this ep a lot although no shota ass *sadface*. |
| Hmm I wonder if we'll ever find out who the original Twenty Faces was. Also, can someone explain the symbolism behind the butterflies? |
| MAL: A community that thinks every anime is bad, but rates everything a 7/10. |
| This was the only decent episode so far tbh |
| kill yourself |
Barion-Zara said: F*** the Law!! 20 faces and Kagami FTW!!!! I felt so satisfied seeing that fat bastard Watanube getting stabbed the hell out of!!! The law sucks ass for releasing all those mentally sick criminals +1 : Yeah f*ck the Law!! |
| Ara Ara~ |
| Well from what I can see from all the threads, people either really like this series or hates it. I personally find it enjoyable. |
| Oscar and Andre deserved better |
ryuixyui said: In the original books, he went insane and become the man with 20 faces. To a certain extent, you can say he is the man with 20 faces. He has a split personality which is why he is taking those medicines. What books are you talking about mate? If you are talking about the books written by Ranpo then you are lying, since 20 Faces is Ranpo's original 20 Faces also never wanted to kill anybody. He has much more in common with this animes Shadow Man character, who again is nothing like Ranpo's original character. It's interesting what they are doing with him, but so far there is really no connection beyond them using names and some vague concepts from the original novel. Either way this series is realistic. It's actually a great anime. A lot of people here has been complaining about the loli victims, this is a direct attack on Japanese society. Japan has serious problem with serialization of children (Which should be stopped) especially in Anime/Manga. Yes, the continuous publication of children should really be stopped...what do you even mean with "serialization of children"? And if this anime wanted to actually comment in any way, then they would have to delve further into actual motivations, motives, and establish some characters...so far the only established character is Kagami, who we are basically told has a perfectly valid reason for his vigilantism. I might be more lenient with this if it wasn't so obviously pulling at Otaku-viewers heart strings, with making the victims cute girls and all. If they actually wanted to go into social commentary, how about murders among old people, among couples, among divorces, attacks committed by minors...but that wouldn't sell as well, so we have to settle. |
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP) 私が、探偵だからよ。 |
seizonsha said: And if this anime wanted to actually comment in any way, then they would have to delve further into actual motivations, motives, and establish some characters...so far the only established character is Kagami, who we are basically told has a perfectly valid reason for his vigilantism.. I agree with you on Kagami having a perfectly valid reason for vigilantism. Would you think that what he is doing is right ? As much as I like Crime and Punishment by Dostoyevsky and Batman the craziest vigilante, he should have stayed Kagami-chan like his colleague said. |
| Why is that people who seems like something great happen to them, a horrible fate is bestowed upon them?! Such as the case with Sachiko and now Kagami's little sister. She finally got noticed and her dress was silver prize! How would you feel when you rarely interacted with someone you care about because of a job then decide to congratulate them on a recent accomplishment that they worked hard for only for that to vanish!?! I liked the first and second episodes but now it's just showing innocent people dying. Like it gives you hope and makes you happy that something good happen to them only for it to lead to death. If I was Kagami, I would follow the same path. I'll be like Dexter Morgan. Why does it seem like psychiatric hospitals are to blame for the last 2 episodes? They're giving these murderers privileges because of "insanity"!! Murderers who are clearly abusing the system and getting away with it. That fat bastard should've deserved more than a stabbing. He should've met the same fate as Sunaga. This and the last pissed me off! Ugh! |
Cxrl_12Aug 7, 2015 8:06 AM
| So yeah, well done, original 20Faces. And good luck, next 20Faces. I can't see anything wrong with what Kagami did. Give the man a medal and set up the 20 Faces Investigation Squad. Let's see if anyone want to commit murder when the punishment is being melted. |
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| I understand Kagami's reasons, but I am sad it was him and also for what happened to his sister, and it sucks that the system many times it's like that in some places... Glad the Sachiko's killer got killed! |
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| Really liked this episode. For some reason I felt Kagami was going to become a 'bad' guy from the series' start, but I've got to admit this made me tear up a bit. I'm quite glad there wasn't as much Kobayashi as previous eps, he kind of gets on my nerves lol. |
| The "present" is a leaf floating on top of the river. It moves along with the flow from past to future. - Okabe Rintaro, Stein;s Gate Caedes |
| I'd kill those who released the criminals. They're the ones at fault for such crimes to be repeated imo. |
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