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ichii_1 said: Same here I hated this episode cause everything is so true and real :'( This is me at the end of the ep.  This was easily the best and most emotional episode yet.....In all honesty I don't blame Kagami one bit for doing everything that he did I'm really happy that the fat fuck pedo guy died too |
| Well, I enjoyed this episode more so than the others. And It looks like Kagami has been faking those calls from his sister this whole time. Kagami may be out... |
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Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: Having lived in Japan, I am quite suspicious of the low murder rate. I know the country is very safe, many women can go out late in the evening without problems compared to other developed countries. Murders are difficult to prevent because they are very often unpredictable so I would say the low rate of murder cases recorded might have something to do with how some murders were never discovered and therefore recorded. So rather than base you interpretation on something you witnessed: that it is safe for women to be out alone at night in Japan, you would rather believe that there are 1,000s of murders that take place annually in secret and are just covered up. No protests from family members, no inquires from friends, no police investigation, they just happen..... I can see why you thought this was a good episode. Takuan_Soho dear friend, we meet again. I cannot confirm anything. However what you might find sarcastic, I find a possible explanation for a low murder rate. Not crime rate. While my Japanese acquaintances all tell me that Japan is a safe country, which I am willing to believe since it is coming from women, I believe murder is very different because the victim cannot report the crime. And yes, I believe people in Japan do not keep in touch that much. I also heard police officers and people working in the legal system are very conscientious of the success rate of an investigation or judicial case. Which can be an explanation for dropping what could be too difficult. |
| I honestly can't see why people are complaining about this episode so much. Sure his sister's fate and his reasoning for becoming Twenty Faces was pretty predictable, but I feel like it was executed pretty well. Also the OST for this episode was spot on. |
| ;_; for Tokiko :D for Fat guy |
| Predictable episode, but touching anyway. Kagami's sister ;___; It's not a surprise that the law is flawed in many ways. A few get caught, many pass. |
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| This episode was boring. From the very start of the episode, what was going to happen was extremely obvious. The little sister was more or less the same as Sachiko: a character whose only function was to be cute to make the audience feel sympathetic when they died. It dragged on and on, without any sort of mystery or urgency to engage you in the story. The whole episode could've been condensed to a couple of minutes and it would've achieved the same result. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: While my Japanese acquaintances all tell me that Japan is a safe country, which I am willing to believe since it is coming from women Earlier you said you lived in Japan, if you lived in Japan then you should know that the country is safe. Minami-Nan said: I believe murder is very different because the victim cannot report the crime. Neither can kidnapped victims. But see the problem with your theory is that no crime is committed in a vacuum. People notice. And even IF you want to believe that most murderers are not reported, then the same would be true of ALL countries, indeed probably even more so because the incidents of crime are much higher in other countries. So even IF true, then Japan's murder rate is even more incredibly low. Minami-Nan said: And yes, I believe people in Japan do not keep in touch that much. You obviously don't know Japan at all. They are far more "in touch" then the US. Indeed these responsibilities are in part why their suicide rate is so much higher. Minami-Nan said: I also heard police officers and people working in the legal system are very conscientious of the success rate of an investigation or judicial case. Which can be an explanation for dropping what could be too difficult. That is true of all countries, and again since the criminal rates are higher in other countries, this must mean that the unreported crimes are much higher there as well. But ultimately you want to believe in conspiracies rather than simple facts. Quoting everything makes it a huge post. Well I am sorry if I am a sceptic. I am not believing in conspiracies nor simple facts. I lived in Japan, do I have to consider Japan a safe country a simple fact? I don't think so. And I still believe people in Japan do not keep in touch that often. It is very easy for someone to focus on work instead of social life, like a workaholic. Is it a simple fact that Japanese people are workaholics? I also don't think so. To make my point, the corpse of an elderly lady was found abandoned for a month in a locker of Tokyo station. If people keep in touch that much, it would not take a month to know about her disappearance don't you think? Isolated people with no social connections are the best preys for murderers. That's a simple fact. |
| best episode so far. the plot was predictable But I knew that coming in, It's the execution of a predictable backstory that got me hooked. The legal system in Laplace bringing in some real life inspiration did not expect that. 5/5 That ending scene into the ED made me mark out. |
HarubaeSuzumiyaJul 30, 2015 6:24 PM
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Minami-Nan said: Having lived in Japan, I am quite suspicious of the low murder rate. I know the country is very safe, many women can go out late in the evening without problems compared to other developed countries. Murders are difficult to prevent because they are very often unpredictable so I would say the low rate of murder cases recorded might have something to do with how some murders were never discovered and therefore recorded. Considering the corruption I would not be surprised if quite a bit of statistics is faked/forged there. |
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| It was like a poor Korean revenge film. I feel like the time period between Edogawa Ranpo's original work and this show is making the stories more ridiculous than they really are. I haven't read any of his work, but apparently Ranpo wrote some really nasty stuff. I think the politics and social issues now don't blend well with the way the original stories are meant to be. Even with all that said, I still liked this episode. It lacked trap booty but there's always next week. |
| WTF IS UP WITH LAW ???!!!! AND HOW CAN THE REST BE "OH LOL DONT BRAKE THE LAW OR YOU WILL BE LIKE THOSE PSYCHOS THAT GET RELEASED LIKE ITS NOTHING" WTF ALSO ISNT KAGAMI MENTALLY INSANE ? SO WHY PUNISH HIM ? |
Pazuzu95Jul 30, 2015 4:21 PM
| I just. I am so happy that that asshole got killed. And I am glad it was Sachiko's dad because ahhhhhahahhahh. Anyway I feel bad for Kagami, and his sister had supreme death flag, but I still felt kind of surprised when they showed her corpse. This episode was better than last week so 4/5 |
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| kagami did nothing wrong that fatass deserved to die long time ago but that ending though |
Takuan_Soho said: And worse, it makes 20 Face's actions rationale and moral, which in turn makes Akechi not only wrong, but evil. No kidding. If these people are constantly killing and constantly being released right afterward over and over again on a flimsy "I'm crazy" defense, it practically justifies 20 faces on a moral level. He's literally doing what the law is stupidly incapable of. The law in this show is really stupid. The dude can kill people, get the insanity verdict, get sent to a mental institution, kill someone there, escape, announce the torture and killing of a detective's little sister via ripping off her limbs and gouging out her eyes, then hanging her, and then get let go again? I try not to apply too much reality to stories like this, but what even is the point of the law in this story if it can be evaded so easily? Seems 99% of criminals could just claim they were insane and get let off scott free. "Sorry officer, that 6 year old girl I just viciously raped to the point of her death and then stuffed in meat grinder? Yeah I thought that was my wife and we were just roleplaying, honest!" "Alright son, we understand. You can go. Just don't do it again you little scamp. *wink*" "Sorry officer, that 9 year old girl I just viciously raped to the point of her death and used her blood in a giant wall painting? Yeah, I thought that was my wife and we were just roleplaying, honest!" "You little rascal you... You just seem to have no luck! Just have a little R&R in our hospital and then you'll be good as new. Ganbatte! :)" "Thanks, officer!" |
sirflimflamJul 30, 2015 4:34 PM
soulelle said: So somebody high in the Japanese government wants a drastic change in the laws and seeks for support from the otaku crowd. otakus can be quite passionate and feisty you know |
ichii_1 said: I hated this episode cause everything is so true and real :'( This is me at the end of the ep. im pretty sure you cant torture/kill someone and get released just cuz you crazy a bit (like no shit ofc someone who kills is crazy) IRL , anime is a "bit" over the top with that but yes dat face so sad :( on the bright side this was pretty edgy :) |
sirflimflam said: Takuan_Soho said: And worse, it makes 20 Face's actions rationale and moral, which in turn makes Akechi not only wrong, but evil. No kidding. If these people are constantly killing and constantly being released right afterward over and over again on a flimsy "I'm crazy" defense, it practically justifies 20 faces on a moral level. He's literally doing what the law is stupidly incapable of. The law in this show is really stupid. The dude can kill people, get the insanity verdict, get sent to a mental institution, kill someone there, escape, announce the torture and killing of a detective's little sister via ripping off her limbs and gouging out her eyes, then hanging her, and then get let go again? I try not to apply too much reality to stories like this, but what even is the point of the law in this story if it can be evaded so easily? Seems 99% of criminals could just claim they were insane and get let off scott free. "Sorry officer, that 6 year old girl I just viciously raped to the point of her death and then stuffed in meat grinder? Yeah I thought that was my wife and we were just roleplaying, honest!" "Alright son, we understand. You can go. Just don't do it again you little scamp. *wink*" "Sorry officer, that 9 year old girl I just viciously raped to the point of her death and used her blood in a giant wall painting? Yeah, I thought that was my wife and we were just roleplaying, honest!" "You little rascal you... Just have a little R&R in our hospital and then you'll be good as new. Ganbatte! :)" "Thanks, officer!" We DO NOT know which 20 Faces Akechi hunts and WHY. Just because Kagami SEEMS like justified in his actions(murder is never justified) does not mean that the 20 faces Akechi knew had same motivations. |
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Takuan_Soho said: But this writer can only come up with: "since mass murdering psychopaths are crazy we have to release them to commit more murders". That is not only bad writing, it is stupid writing. And worse, it makes 20 Face's actions rationale and moral, which in turn makes Akechi not only wrong, but evil. this is pretty spot on (and obvious) but most of us are here for the EDGY stuff and trap booty so bad writing isnt big of a deal |
juicykitten95 said: Takuan_Soho said: But this writer can only come up with: "since mass murdering psychopaths are crazy we have to release them to commit more murders". That is not only bad writing, it is stupid writing. And worse, it makes 20 Face's actions rationale and moral, which in turn makes Akechi not only wrong, but evil. this is pretty spot on (and obvious) but most of us are here for the EDGY stuff and trap booty so bad writing isnt big of a deal They are n ot being released. They are being transfered to psychiatric rehabilitation centers, which then decide WHEN to release them Sadly due to most of them being inneficient trash, most of those criminals can play the system and fake it |
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CookingPriest said: We DO NOT know which 20 Faces Akechi hunts and WHY. Just because Kagami SEEMS like justified in his actions(murder is never justified) does not mean that the 20 faces Akechi knew had same motivations. Well, I'm sure Akechi has a reason for wanting to find a specific member of 20 Faces. My response is more about suggesting Kagami was pretty justified in what he was doing given the nature of the law in this series. Sure, in our world, murder is not justifiable. We live in a world where, if someone is caught murdering someone, even if they're crazy, they're not going to just get let out of a mental hospital in a few months, and they certainly can't taunt their police captors about how they'll just get out again. They are dealt with appropriately most of the time (unless you're OJ Simpson of course), so the need to take matters into your own hands is not the same. When you live in a world where people are allowed to bend the law around their finger to commit ridiculously sickening crimes and laugh it off right in the cops face like in this series, I can't find it in myself to say Kagami's actions aren't justified. Had I been in his position, seeing first hand the limits of justice, and then losing my little sister that way over the same lapse in justice, I don't think I could see myself taking any other path either. If the law is going to *literally* allow someone to repeatedly kill lots of people and do nothing to put a stop to it, something else needs to be done. |
| As much as I disagree with Kagami's methods, I still think his character was cool after this. I really like the way this episode went even though I was hoping Tokiko was safe. Very predictable episode but it was still good nonetheless. |
Alcatraz_Zombie said: I honestly can't see why people are complaining about this episode so much. Sure his sister's fate and his reasoning for becoming Twenty Faces was pretty predictable, but I feel like it was executed pretty well. Also the OST for this episode was spot on. Exactly! Just because it's not original doesn't mean that it's bad. I enjoyed this episode regardless of the predictable outcome. However, I wouldn't say that the episode was executed well, it was an average execution that had some flaws. An example is when the criminal suddenly wanted to kill a specific officer's family member, that was unexpected and bad writing. The criminal should have at least know her before hand. Also regarding the argument:"the law would never let someone crazy be released", again this is fictional. The director who made this anime created a world where the law in Japan is corrupted and flawed. If people look at it through this way, then maybe they see this through a different opinion. However, fiction is fiction, and the law in Japan is not that corrupt. |
Narendur said: I read dozens of comment here trying to understand why some people didn't like this episode. I still don't understand... It might have been predictable, but it was so beautifully executed. Gives a great insight into the problems of the legal system 'n the minds of homicide detectives. Even if you might already know it, it still hurts to see how stuff like that can ruin people. The sister maybe was a little over the top, but you need something to cause the topple. These kind of family-revenge-murders do happen sometimes, unfortunately. Keep up this quality, Ranpo <3 That's because: -people do not like unoriginal work (again, so crap we hear for a lot of anime's) -people do not like the fictional world of this anime (they call the corrupted law in this episode as "bad writing") -they do not agree with Kagami's motives and view them as stupid(understandable, some people have a higher moral integrity than others) In the end, it's just a personal problem they have that does not reflect on the majority of viewers. |
Narendur said: I read dozens of comment here trying to understand why some people didn't like this episode. I still don't understand... It might have been predictable, but it was so beautifully executed. Gives a great insight into the problems of the legal system 'n the minds of homicide detectives. Even if you might already know it, it still hurts to see how stuff like that can ruin people. The sister maybe was a little over the top, but you need something to cause the topple. These kind of family-revenge-murders do happen sometimes, unfortunately. Keep up this quality, Ranpo <3 I have less of an issue with the episode itself and more an issue with the episode as it pertains to the rest of the series. My issue personally is the overuse of hurting new flavor-of-the-night little girls via some big fat emotionally stunted manchild to tug at everyone's heart strings. Her violent tortured death mirrors Sachiko pretty well, only one episode prior to the last one. Killing young, innocent girls is a good way to invoke our maternal and paternal instincts and make us feel bad, but when you use it too much it starts to feel forced, like waving a big sign in front of the audience that says "Cry". I don't want to have to remember this series as "the one that kills a new cute girl every night to try to make us feel bad". I'd rather remember it for its depth of story and interesting cast. |
CookingPriest said: They are n ot being released. They are being transfered to psychiatric rehabilitation centers, which then decide WHEN to release them Sadly due to most of them being inneficient trash, most of those criminals can play the system and fake it still the dude who mincemeat's little girls got his freedom so its not much of a difference whatever he got released right away or sent to the hospital and then released |
| Now this was a great episode. From beginning to end. That was just sad and tough. That ending. I'm satisfied. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Minami-Nan said: Well I am sorry if I am a sceptic. You are not being skeptical. Skeptics have facts and a consistent theory explaining why they are being skeptical, it's what separates them from being conspiracy theorists. "I believe" and "I think" are not facts or reason. Minami-Nan said: I lived in Japan, do I have to consider Japan a safe country a simple fact? I don't think so. Whether Japan is safe or not is a simple fact. It either is or it isn't. So having lived there did you find Japan to be a safe place or not? I can quote crime statistics to say why I think it is a safe country (as well as my experience). So if you do not believe it to be, what are your facts. Minami-Nan said: To make my point, the corpse of an elderly lady was found abandoned for a month in a locker of Tokyo station. If people keep in touch that much, it would not take a month to know about her disappearance don't you think? Isolated people with no social connections are the best preys for murderers. That's a simple fact. So one example of a 70 year old woman becomes your indictment for the entire society? That is exactly what a conspiracy theorist does. Besides they found the body, so that doesn't lend well to your theory that there are 100s of undiscovered murders happening yearly (which is what would be needed to pull Japan's murder rate up to even European levels (it would take 1,000s to raise it to US levels). I'm afraid you do not need facts or a consistent theory to be sceptical. A sceptic is someone who is inclined to doubt or question accepted opinions. In my case, I question your accepted opinion of Japan being a safe place. So I am being sceptical. You can quote the statistics that you want, but like you said "I think" is not fact. I said before that from hearsay coming from Japanese women, they consider Japan to be a safe country. I say fair enough. What I see is that Japan is not that different from other countries I have visited so from my own experience, it's just as safe as the UK, France, Italy, which means normal level of safety for a developed country. If my own experience cannot be considered fact, then yours will be the same. For the last point, I have not developed any theory nor generalized the case of one old lady for the whole Japanese society. It was a hypothesis. Big difference. The old lady case was just to prove the point that some people are isolated, that some do not keep in touch that much. Your argument is that Japanese people keep in touch more than the US. So what? Saying that Japan is poorer than the US does not necessarily mean Japan is poor. The corpse was also found by accident, not because someone was looking for it. I also did not bring up the murder rates of EU and the US nor anything about any number of undiscovered murders happening yearly. I am SIMPLY questioning the low number of murder rate. You have murderers in every country in the world. Murder is difficult to prevent and is often unpunished when nobody is looking into it. How do you explain the low murder rate? I cannot so I just suppose it is questionable. Statistics are not always your friends. In the US, unemployed people not looking for a job are not part of the unemployment rate. And those underemployed are also not counted despite the unstable situation. You get the numbers you look for. And this is not a conspiracy. Stop discrediting me as a conspiracy theorist before it becomes ridiculous for you. |
| i truly regret the fact that the only thing i can do to show my disappointment is giving this abortion a 1, because if i could i'd fly in Japan right away to punch the shit out of every single living being involved in this series. damn, i've never been so mad watching an anime before whoever likes this shit should never be allowed to watch anime again |
| Fantastic episode. The fact that nearly every episode leaves me seething in anger is a good thing. |
| Damn Kagami's past |
| im still confused are kagami sister lost her part body ? like arm and legs |
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