Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Episode 12 Discussion

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NoonSsa said:

Dark Yui: Hikki ?

Source: Yuno: Yukki ?

I wish I could see that.

Jun 19, 2015 12:58 AM

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Still waiting for the sub smh.

Jun 19, 2015 1:07 AM

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So any clear indication on what ship sank and what ship sailed?

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Jun 19, 2015 1:11 AM

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So any clear indication on what ship sank and what ship sailed?

Wether Yui or Yukino, I don't know.

Jun 19, 2015 1:17 AM

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Where can i find the subs as soon as they are out? I often go with kickass.to but in this case they seem to be slow apparently. Would appriciate any link in case they already are out.

Jun 19, 2015 1:19 AM

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TheBuddahman said:
Where can i find the subs as soon as they are out? I often go with kickass.to but in this case they seem to be slow apparently. Would appriciate any link in case they already are out.

/a/ and nyaa?

Jun 19, 2015 1:29 AM

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_Charl said:

/a/ and nyaa?

Thanks for the reply, i just checked nyaa but it only has the raw version up yet, i dont know what /a/ is thought.

Jun 19, 2015 1:31 AM

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TheBuddahman said:

_Charl said:

/a/ and nyaa?

Thanks for the reply, i just checked nyaa but it only has the raw version up yet, i dont know what /a/ is thought.

subforum in 4chan.

Jun 19, 2015 1:35 AM

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I want saika x hachiman and no one feeling get hurt. poor Yui

Jun 19, 2015 1:47 AM

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esket said:
Is it wrong to say that I'm starting to like Orimoto?

You're not alone mate. She is awesome.

Jun 19, 2015 1:49 AM

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_Charl said:

s0ck said:
So any clear indication on what ship sank and what ship sailed?

Wether Yui or Yukino, I don't know.

Anime won't resolve anything and we'll get a massive cliffhanger ;)

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SansrivaaL said:

esket said:
Is it wrong to say that I'm starting to like Orimoto?

You're not alone mate. She is awesome.

This episode Orimoto scored a lot of points ;)

Jun 19, 2015 1:52 AM

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It's already out guys.

Jun 19, 2015 1:55 AM

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_Charl said:
It's already out guys.

where?? please provide link T_T

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_Charl said:

s0ck said:
So any clear indication on what ship sank and what ship sailed?

Wether Yui or Yukino, I don't know.

Crap. I was feeling the sis route a little lol jk. And where is it out at?

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CutePriest said:

SansrivaaL said:

You're not alone mate. She is awesome.

This episode Orimoto scored a lot of points ;)

Hell yeah! preach it mate :)))

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_Charl said:
It's already out guys.

where?? please provide link T_T

Check nyaa.

Jun 19, 2015 2:04 AM

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Regarding Haruno, actually i need to suppress my rage to her for a while until i finished reading Vol 11, since i was reminded on how the anime has been downplaying most of its side characters since S1.

If you truly want to know my stance regarding on Haruno's recent actions, this will be my answer minus the rage thing. "Bitch of the week" is not new, it has been happening since episode 1 itself with Ebina, Hayama, Yukino etc. as I have pointed out this observation in a joking manner several times among others in some of the episode discussions. Although I have explained some of the reasons behind their actions, I never outright censure anyone for hating or loving a character no matter how wrong it is.

With that sorted out, let me deal with one baby here.

Takuan_Soho said:

Stop being such a friggin worm. At least have the courage to stand up for your position with facts instead of trying to wiggle your way out when someone shows you to be a tool.

Even though I explain myself with my sincere intentions, you still doubt my honesty. So going by your logic, everyone who isn't aligned with your beliefs are automatically labeled as pathetic loser trolls. I am not sure why the hell should I even take this seriously but since I was called out a couple of times by the same user and likened me to a rat, it is my principle to not back down from a fight, bait or not. Try to be more like Hachiman, you might need his ability to shrug off emotional pain.

The irony here is the one who is wiggling out as a worm is you. First, you insulted me for being a Haruno shipper with no basis or whatsoever. Second, adding more salt to injury, you insult me with no apology attached although I said it was just a joke. Third, you outright not just imply I lied through my teeth but I am less than a human as well. Oh no sir, you can't take that as a joke. You know what I am thinking, you are no different than those feminists infesting tumblr who get worked up for no apparent reason whenever a man is being brought up in a conversation. Substitute that man with Haruno will be you. Such shallow person. Chill out for god sake. I doubt you will even bat an eyelid if you don't hold such strong emotions towards something in the first place. Did i mention Sagami and Yukino as well in my post? Yes, who is the tool now?

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Don't try to explain it away as a "joke", only pathetic loser trolls try to say afterwords "it was a joke, it was a joke".

So, even though in reality it is a joke, it is not? You are being delusional. Hachiman's take on people want to see what they want to see rings true in this case. Therefore, no matter how much I said it is a joke, you will not believe me even it is true. As simple as that. The opposite can be said as well I am afraid so if I deemed this going around in circles, I won't bother.

One thing to note, you are getting way too conscious whenever someone mentions about Haruno. Yes, we get it that you don't like her. Do you have to tell the whole bloody world that you hate her guts and everyone should do the same? Shit no. If you have the time to type out a long reply regarding your 101 reasons to hate Haruno, I will suggest a better way to spent your time with. Watching other anime maybe?

Takuan_Soho said:

People who hate Haruno after this episode are not "haters". They have every reason to hate her based upon her actions this episode. Unless you can explain how someone who called their mother and lied about what their younger sister was doing in order to hurt her sister is anything other than a vile person, then you have no argument. Reprehensible behavior is universally wrong, and lets not pretend that there are not such people in the "real" world.

I am not clear on what are you trying to convey nor prove. Why the hell are you picking me out as a target for an argument that I am not even interested to take part in? Why the hell I am forced to explain things I am not part of? Why the hell I am being put out there to defend a fictional character that I have no intentions in defending? Why the hell I should make an argument purposely for you? Who are you? My dad? You need to get off that high horse of yours if you think you can just order anyone around with your pathetic and selfish reasoning. And no, I will not present my argument because I don't have any in the first place since subs are not out and the respective adapted LN volume is not even out yet. I have zero intentions on arguing something that I have no clue in. What's more, I don't even plan to explain her actions in the first place! If you don't believe me, hell, I don't know. Report me for trolling or whatever?

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To defend such behavior is morally wrong, regardless of whether it is fact or fiction. Rats are rats, bitches are bitches,

You are being totally irrational in here. This is akin to saying "No, being homosexual is wrong. It promotes nothing but deviant acts and immoral activities that are not aligned with human nature. To defend such nature is a crime against humanity and God itself." Whatever, edgy kids think they are the hip now I guess? And don't bring morality subject into this. The last thing I want in here is people going around in circles on why this is good and the other is bad. I have no interest in objectifying subjective opinions as I have stated before. Neutral is where I stand in most of these cases and this is not an exception.

Takuan_Soho said:
and pathetic loser shipping trolls are pathetic loser shipping trolls.

Oh look, a broken record. How many times I need to state this already...

Takuan_Soho said:

And let me stress, I am not getting worked up over the show,

Let me stress, you are getting worked up over the show more specifically Haruno, stop denying it. Otherwise, you won't go so far as to type a response on my post and doubt my legitimacy in my explanation along with multitude of insults. Plus a few reasons on why you hate Haruno even though I never asked for any of those. Are these the actions of someone who claimed he is not getting worked up over something? If you don't consider this as being worked up, I don't know what is. Anyone with a normal comprehension ability knows by default you are getting worked up over it. You are being aggressive over someone who already explained his stance on this matter. This is not free-for-all deathmatch where everyone literally have to join in the ring and kill each other when the timer starts ticking. If you want to play that game fine, don't involve everyone in it like what are you trying to do here.

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whatever the writer wants to do is fine with me,

Stop being a hypocrite. Your actions do not match with the shit you spewed. A short moment ago you said reprehensible behaviour is universally wrong and should be struck down with the hammer of judgement known as your personal morality. Now you are saying whatever the writer wants to do is fine with you. What the shit are you on about man? Stop shifting the goalpost as you see fit. Obviously, you are playing favourites in here. Haruno should be condemned for what she did. Ok, I understand and I might agree with you. But what about Hachiman? Didn't he do something that should be condemned as well? Yes, he did but did anyone make a fuss about it? Nope, because you idolise him, like everyone else. Nobody make a fuss whenever Hachiman trying to delay his answer to Yui's invitation since the fireworks festival even after multiple attempts. Nobody smashing their keyboards over Hachiman ignoring Yukino when he found out she knew about the accident. Nobody complaining whenever Hachiman instantly transforms into a tree whenever Yukino was being trashed by Haruno. The shit is this? Although the one who commits the crime is wrong, it is as guilty for the bystanders to do nothing despite seeing the crime in action. So, what's up with the bias? No, the question is why is it being so. As I said before, we are lacking information on Haruno. You are just speculating solely based on her actions alone rather the reasoning behind it. I think everyone will hate Hachiman IF the story is narrated from Yui's perspective. Catch my drift?

Furthermore, this is the author of OreGaIru we are talking about. I honestly don't think his intentions of writing this story is just so we can hate a character. The main reason why I love the LNs so much is because I can't really outright hate the characters because those characters are created not to be hated unlike your other clear cut antagonists in other works. They are created as humans as they should be and I appreciate that fact. Sagami, despite her selfish actions were explained by Hachiman in the LNs as an act of desperation and selfish desires rather than just plain bad in every angle. Hachiman understood her actions as "normal" human behaviour and doesn't hate her for it. Does this give her a free pass on her past mistakes? No, but as readers, you can understand why she did what she did no matter how wrong it is. Well, this is an assumption of mine so I might be wrong though.

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and I would love to have an interesting debate where someone tries to explain what happened this episode can make Haruno anything other than a bitch.

Debates are best utilised to comprehend an objective topic, not subjective ones like human emotions. You hate someone because you can't accept for what she did. I am cool with that because I do understand where you are coming from. Usually, hating someone are mostly due to personal reasons such as conflicting morality or principles as in your case. You can't objectify something that is subjective. Remember what Hiratsuka said? If human emotions can be calculated and apply logic upon, our emotions will be digitised by now. I am not sure why you desperately want people to acknowledge your hate towards a character. Do you see me crying over in the forums this is a bad adaptation? No, I leave this stuff in blogs because this is my personal take on the matter, not anyone else. I don't intend to spoil everyone's day with my negativity as what you are doing right now.

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But what I hate are asses (and yes you are an ass) who can't make an argument,

So, I was perceived as running away when I was explaining my intentions in here as clear as possible to you and the other guy who took this the wrong way. Man, if hating me makes you feel better, well, ok, can't do anything about it. And no, I am not running away. If you want to confront me, bring it as I will be here. Scare tactics won't work on me nor childish provocations. Let me put it this way, the act of running is easy in the internet compared to real life. I do this only by clicking the report button for insult and baiting, consequently causing you to be warned by a mod. Or even delete my post and have this thread on ignore. I think this what people will do if they are running away. And what I did? Explaining to you despite the blatant insults instead!

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who think that trying to be clever is an excuse for being able to make an argument, who when confronted scurry away like a wounded rat rather than try to make a point.

You are the one who can't make any argument. The only point you are trying to make since your first post in this thread is your general hate towards Haruno. Post after post although no one asked for it, you persistently preaching that you hate Haruno full stop. If you think I am a wounded rat hitting the sewers, then you are an old fart stored in a jar which have been released, stinking the whole room.

Takuan_Soho said:

In short I respect humans who can disagree, but immature whining brats, regardless of their age,

Stop trying to brush over the fact when you actively provoking people to argue with you. Stop justifying your baseless selfish actions with positive reasons. And stop insulting me. It is childish and give you an impression of someone who is afraid taking responsibility for his actions. You are offended over my joke. Why? Because it hits home? Stop being a whiny little kid who just got his Nintendo taken away by mommy from playing too much. If you want to throw a tantrum, do it somewhere else not public. Nobody wants to deal with your shit.

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who can't defend their positions are a slot lower than pond scum on the scale of intellectual existence.

Human arrogance at its finest! If you think you are high and mighty then why the hell are you still posting here. You respect nobody other than people who aligned with your views. Modern day Hitler or maybe Napoleon? Perhaps. Oh well, comparing you to a rat is an insult towards the rat itself thus, I will refrain myself.

Late edit: I missed a quote.

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Jun 19, 2015 2:40 AM

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God damn I really don't want this show to end.

Oh god who are you people?

Jun 19, 2015 2:43 AM

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Welp, I will always have a thing for the girl with gray/white hair in any anime

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Jun 19, 2015 2:43 AM

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God damn I really don't want this show to end.

It has only just begun. It won't end when they are still 11th grader anyway.

Jun 19, 2015 2:50 AM

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Haruno needs to get a life, she's been a plot device through and through. I love the counters from Hayama to Haruno.

Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone

Jun 19, 2015 2:52 AM

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Oh my lord, with the subs the Iroha scenes are by far the best moments of this episode. Yui by the looks of it is just setting herself up to sink. Yukinon still has family issues-big surprise there. Overall good episode. Really excited to see how this plays out in the LN.

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Jun 19, 2015 2:53 AM

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alot of people here seem to not like haruno? Why is that? I think she's a great and necessary character. She's pushing the plot to where it should be going. They can't continue the status quo. At this point yui and yukino both have feelings for 8man and i think he knows it too because at the end he understands when yui says its "unfair to walk alone." They need to get them out in the open.

Also holy S*&! Iroha is awesome.

Jun 19, 2015 3:04 AM

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Iroha date please in OVA. I have to say, it is one of the best part in the novels. Seeing Hachiman becoming a big boy was extremely enjoyable.

Jun 19, 2015 3:10 AM

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This series is starting to get even better and there is only one episode left, damn it. At least when is volume 11 estimated to be translated in english?

During this season i was thinking that there was a possibility of Haruno being a manipulative bitch, i didnt expect this episode to prove me right. For some reason i like her more now, hate me all you want, lol, especially that bitch move about Yukino giving chocolate to Hayato was top notch.

This episode brough up a lot of questions, i hope they are all answered next week. I read from someone in this thread that what could have happened with Yukino is that she changed her plans and chose Liberal Arts to be with Hachiman. That would be a fitting explanation, has any more hinds been given on it in the LN?

Jun 19, 2015 3:14 AM

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yus, yui's ed

Jun 19, 2015 3:18 AM

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Oh man, this episode was really fun for the most part with the chocolate making. Seeing Saki get some screentime was nice too. Iroha always makes me laugh, her personality and the way she acts towards Hachiman is just so great. Funny to see the school council president guy from the other school. Iroha sticking her tongue out while doing the 'teehee' was indeed adorable! xD

Seeing the girls get jealous/surprised when they heard that Orimoto might've given Hachiman chocolate in the past was pretty funny. Yukino and Hachiman being flustered and blushing was really cute. Yui spinning the bowl like that was amazing though; those are some skills! :D Haruno definitely loves stirring things up and makes things a lot worse for the 3 of them but in a sense she's helping them move on even further.

I feel so bad seeing Yui being sad throughout the episode and she's definitely holding back from confessing to Hachiman, knowing full well that Yukino has feelings for him too. Even the ED with Yui's VA singing it solo made me feel for Yui even more. Meanwhile, Yukino is still having issues with her mother. Last episode next week and I'm sad that it's ending; please not a White Album 2 kind of ending. ;~;
WA2 feels/5

Jun 19, 2015 3:20 AM

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Conclusion of this episode : The raising number of Haruno's haters.....

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Jun 19, 2015 3:21 AM

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Haruno just keeps getting more and more annoying; always trying to incite something, not to mention her whole presence totally ruins the mood. Not sure what's the deal with her exactly.

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Haruno as usual trying to create mischief. It's clear to me know (also based on the monologues) that despite her air of radiance and self sufficiency, she's a deeply troubled and lonely individual. She thinks she's so much better than her sister, but she's really as flawed as her.

Yeah, I also feel the same way. The usual character of her is probably just a mask.

Iroha's rejection was hilarious as usual! Pretty cute how she shoved her chocolate in Hachiman's mouth. Also, when she called him a siscon.. XD

Good to see Saki finally getting some screentime. The little dispute between her and Yumiko was quite funny. Her little sister is adorable!

Feel quite bad for Yui.. She's painfully aware of Yukino and Hachiman's chemistry progressively turning better. Her sad face broke my heart again..

Yukino's mom sounded so manipulative; couldn't even hide it with her gentle tone of talking. That was also sort of irritating.

Good episode. That Yui monologue in the PV though.. Heartbreaking confession incoming?

Jun 19, 2015 3:23 AM

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Surely, it would end with cliffhanger or open ending where we have to be LNfags. I hope they can maintain their status quo, even though it's impossible because Producer-san said that 8man-tachi will take a step forward, that means there's something will be stepping stone, wether their status quo or their feelings.

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All grills in 8man's harem still have a chance. Stay strong and loyal, guys. Final arc has only just begun.

Jun 19, 2015 3:30 AM

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Amazing episode as always. Iroha was adorable as always :3

Although there was still alot of tension. Seems like there still looking for their answer. I doubt they will find it by next week :(

Jun 19, 2015 3:47 AM

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Commie subs sure are funny to read. Lettuce? Coma Cheese? LOL.

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worldeditor11 said:
Iroha date please in OVA. I have to say, it is one of the best part in the novels. Seeing Hachiman becoming a big boy was extremely enjoyable.

Jun 19, 2015 3:51 AM

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Haruno hate in spoilers

I love the banter between Iroha and Hachiman. It's too sweet! When she was all surprised about Hachiman remembering her birthday...that off guard reaction!

Kawasaki really doesn't get enough screentime. The camera was on Kawasaki when it was mentioned that Hachiman may have gotten chocolates so I guess she's actually interested? Although I wouldn't know because she really doesn't interact with Hachiman that much.

I never hated Orimoto because she never really had bad intentions. It always seemed to me, like she thought Hachiman was okay with her teasing/jokes because he never objected. What i'm saying might seem like victim blaming but I don't think it's quite the same. Hachiman also did realize that Orimoto acted the same to everyone so in the end I don't think he ever really hated her either.

LOL at the "Don't really care about chocolate or Tobe. Especially Tobe." Yeah man fuck that guy, dude still can't get your name right.

Yui i'm begging you don't just give up because of Yukino. Do what you want! You don't owe her shit! There's no reason to hold yourself back especially if you wanted to fulfill Hachiman's request. All is fair in love and war. So there's nothing unfair! Just....DO IT!

I wish there would be alternative endings, with of course Iroha's being the TRUE ending :P.

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This episode.... When Yui says he will recieve chocolates cause she likes him so cute :3 But..... Bitchino comes into play of course.... When Yui puts on that sad face my heart breaks :(

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Jun 19, 2015 3:59 AM

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Family and Identity crisis drama incoming? XD
Well this was a fun ep until Haruno just F***ed it up <_<

Iroha's siscon question was lol XD and Yui not being able to deny XD Komachi is too much <3 I'd love to see Iroha and her interactions :3

Saki and Yumiko's "Huh" battle was lol

Lol'd at Hikki's "WTH ur adorable" at Iroha's ;9 She's so cute. Loving her more and more. The feeding Hikki scene after rejecting him was cute XD

And once again the shippers are over-exaggerating the screenshots/gifs of YukinoxHikki
When I saw the pics before the ep of Yui sad and Yukino blushing I thought it's much more but not even close, when in context, Yui's still got quite the chance at Hikki :P
It was only Yukino that was blushing from the bowl scene anyway (Really cute :3)
Yui had lots of cute faces too <3

Loved the Yui monologue during the PV. And although yeah it would've been kinda unfair I wished Yui would've let Hikki walk her home D:

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kuuurt said:

LordBanana said:

Just letting both of you know that I like you very much.

iroha or death

Aren't you the guy who said Yui will be the girl not too long ago?

Jun 19, 2015 4:08 AM

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Dammit Haruno! Stop being worst girl!

Jun 19, 2015 4:12 AM

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Keika and Kawasaki on the same episode and not just a cameo <3
Too bad Komachi wasn't there to see how much of a harem her brother has.

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I heard that volume 11 will be released at 24th of the month, is this only about the japanese version? If yes, about how much time will it take to get translated, or at least the first chapter of it?

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I heard that volume 11 will be released at 24th of the month, is this only about the japanese version? If yes, about how much time will it take to get translated, or at least the first chapter of it?

A week will be the latest. 2-3 weeks will be a more realistic estimation. 1-2 months in the worst case scenario.

Jun 19, 2015 4:19 AM

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It depends on translator-kun of course.

But Vol 10 took around a month iirc.

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