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| I watched the movie but the ending is the same so I'll post it here. They can say whatever the fuck they want but that black and white crap was not for artistic reasons, that was just to reduce costs. Also the whole usage of time was totally fucked up, especially the end, I mean, wtf 12 000 years? they should be dead, if not for the black hole then definatly because of the time it would have taken them to get back to earth, they said it themselves that they lost everything and I besides, when you take out your core you won't be going fast and definitely not close to the speed of light. To achieve a higher speed an object needs more energy, and that energy also makes the mass of said object increase.So it becomes more difficult to accelerate to a higher speed with increasing mass. Only at 90% (!) of the speed of light would the effects be noticeable, but it would be difficult to go even harder. to put the two speeds into perspective one needs a special formula: W=(V+U)/(1+VU/C²) V and U are the two speeds, C is the constant for the speed of light (300.000km/s), and W is the speed relative to each other. You then need to calculate with the percentages of the speed of light, say 90%: (0,9+0,9)/(1+0,9*0,9/1²)= 0.9944751381% of the speed of light. This has also been proven through experiments in the LHC. No matter how much energy they put in it they always stayed at 99,99999999% and the nines just grew. 100% could never be reached. The delay of the time, the time dilation, is indicated by the small letter gamma, and can be calculated with the formula: γ = 1 / √ (1-V ² / C ²) So the time dilation at 90% the light speed is 1 / √ ( 1 - 0.9 ²/1²) = 2.294157339. The time has slowed by about a factor of 2.3! At one moment they showed a number at around 98.x but this is impossible, especially for a ship of that size, same with gunbuster. I get that they wanted it to make it dramatic but shit way to exaggerate. I couldn't enjoy it to the fullest because if this. |
TheUniqueReaperAug 17, 2011 1:29 PM
| Sorry dude..... But you're a douche.... |
| Really awesome series ^_^ Not sure how I feel about the final episode being in black and white, but it is what it is. Some of the battle scenes could have stood to be in color IMO, but they were already cutting the budget with the still shots and a simple tally of the war dead. So they crammed Jupiter into a bomb, shrunk it down to 1/30,000 size and turned it into a black hole. SCIENCE! Ah well, it's sci-fi, I'm much more accepting of bad science in this genre. At least they aren't able to go out in space by holding their breath. Also, there's a black hole already in the center of the galaxy, so creating a new one would only make the one already there bigger (along with destroyingeverything in between the two and releasing tremendous amounts of energy). Of course, when the anime was made we didn't know about the Eater at True Center; in Gunbuster it seems to just be a solid mass of stars. If you wanted to try and make sense of it, maybe they just didn't get past the tightly-packed outer shell of stars to find the black hole already there. Epic ending, of course. 12,000 years is a long time, but for those of you interested in time dilation and its effect on starship pilots in war, check out 'The Forever War' and its spin-offs. It's a story about a Vietnam-like space war that lasts for millenia, and by the time the soldiers who first joined reach the end of it, humanity back on Earth has evolved into something utterly alien itself. 5/5, 9/10. I actually liked this better than Evangelion, it dragged a lot less (tho it had less deep, heady concepts to bake your noodle with). |
Blind_GuardianSep 18, 2011 11:39 AM
| Wow, that was an impressive ending. And it was happier than I expected which was nice. |
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| came in expecting tears and was very skeptical... manly tears were shed during this episode.... that last scene hit me hard for some reason. Mind = blown. feelsgoodman.jpg (no homo) |
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| Outstanding episode and a really good series. I especially loved how time is so cruel to the characters, one has to essentially sacrifice living his or her life in order to save humanity. The producers did a great job in that aspect. The black-and-white animation emphasized the magnitude and importance of the final epic battle. Highly enjoyable. Now I aim for Diebuster! |
| "Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. And some will lose more than the tips off their fingers, I promise you. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that" |
naikou said: 12,000 years is a long time. The japanese language probably wouldn't exist in its current form. The phrase appeared in the last scene is "オカエリナサイ" written in katakana form. But the last word "イ" is mirrored. Is it just a mistake? Or people don't understand current Japanese in 12,000 years later? Sigh... 12,000 years is too long to imagine the world in the distant future. |
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| And so they went from being just some mecha pilots on a mission, to living legends told for milleniums to come. It has been over ten thousand years, but Jun kept her promise in the end. If that is not epic in a literal sense, then I do not know what is. All in all, one of the best mecha-anime I'ver ever seen. And even though it is only six episodes, I'm quite satisfied with the storyscope. |
mecharobotSep 6, 2012 11:53 PM
mecharobot said: If that is not epic in a literal sense, then I do not know what is. All in all, one of the best mecha-anime I'ver ever seen. And even though it is only six episodes, I'm quite satisfied with the storyscope. Same here. |
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Avenir said: mecharobot said: If that is not epic in a literal sense, then I do not know what is. All in all, one of the best mecha-anime I'ver ever seen. And even though it is only six episodes, I'm quite satisfied with the storyscope. Same here. Count me in as well. Totally agree, one of the greatest anime ever if you ask me! |
| that was probably the best final episode of any series i've ever seen tbh |
| Rewatched this for the umpteenth time. They really don't make them like this anymore. What a beautiful, awe inspiring ending. Gainax really have created some of the best anime ever. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| My fav Mecha anime until now. Amazing characters, animation, and battles. I'm going to see Diebuster as soon as I can... |
| This ending was fucking great. Despite it being short I still enjoyed it. |
RX-782Mar 10, 2013 11:19 PM
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| Ok so does anyone else think that guy talking to Amano about whether or not humankind should lay down and die in the beginning of the episode looks exactly like Jared from Zeta Gundam? |
| いっぺん死んでみる？ |
| having seen TTGL before this and regarding it as my #1 anime of all time, i now see just how much inspiration TTGL took from gunbuster (amongst quite a fe other classic super robot shows) i always knew it was inspired by older shows, but not to this extent. this last episode is easily one of the top 3 final episodes ive seen in an anime, the fact that this was literally a quarter of a century old really shows how well its stood the test of time. a great series through and through, now onto diebuster. |
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skudoops said: If you are a fan of gainax in general you can see this show influenced TTGL and NGE quite a bit. For instance, when Noriko went into space after Smith's death and started having the flashbacks, same with Amuno when she thought about coach. Not to mention the active timer on the gunbuster the first time it launched. The art in the scene where noriko punches the core to jump start the black hole bomb thing reminded me of a couple scenes from TTLG. I felt the only mistake they made was with Smith, since he didn't have enough time to develop a much more solid relationship with Noriko, his demise didn't have the impact it should. it was quite interesting to see just how much gunbuster influenced their later series, after seeing diebuster, its safe to say its pretty much a pilot series for ttgl in so many ways |
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| Face palm to the likes that where given. |
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johnyjohny said: You just have shit taste.Face palm to the likes that where given. |
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| Damn, that was a feels trip for the finale. The black and white backgrounds fit nearly perfectly. 7/10. Nice watch although it took me awhile to get attached to the characters. |
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| A fem cross between gundam and ultraman...this should have been better...even with 80's anime boob shots...this fell short of greatness....far short. |
| I almost shed a tear...then Noriko just had to rip half of her shirt off. That was so hilarious haha! 12,000 years? That's depressing. For 12,000 years and Welcome back is the best humans can do? That's even more depressing lmao. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Noriko insta-went to my favorites after ripping that shirt off, good job. All in all, that was a fantastic experience, I love short unique OVAs like these. They often are much more memorable than long stretched series I can now see indeed, where TTGL got its ideas from. I personally liked this even more than TTGL, though. I think it was the Anno factor. 9/10 |
cupcMar 21, 2014 7:49 AM
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| This series was pretty good! That time difference theme going throughout the wole anime was extremely sad, especially with Noriko and her best friend! Kimiko really wanted Noriko to at least be back to visit Kimiko's daughter, but too much time passed . Even though Noriko and Kazumi made it back to earth, they won't really know anyone there because its been such a long time. Hopefully they'd at least get to meet with some descendants of people they knew. It was cool how the earth's continents seemed to be interconnected with some kind of structure, maybe like a super highway that connects all the landmasses or something. |
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| Sad episode, i almost cried.. Why was it black n white..? Holy shit 12.000 years? Do humans still look like they "used to"? Anyway it was good. |
| While I did enjoy episode 1-5 -- and they had some incredibly advanced mech design and animation -- something was off and I didn't enjoy them as much as I expected. I'm guessing this is due to the quick pace (and the ecchi), but it's not really something that can be avoided with a six-episode OVA. Anyway my whole perception of this OVA changed because of this last episode. From the first few seconds, the change of ratio and the lack of colour felt like I was watching La Jetée again, and there is a matching change in tone as the characters dwell more on what time means, on the concept of mortality, on what it is to be human. It's hard to describe all the black-and-white does: visually it has this sharpness, but it also puts in a state of mind that is different from how is usually perceived coloured anime. And even if there wasn't the change of tone I mentioned it's like the brain is ready to construe another range of significations just from it. Add a brillant directing, which includes a clever use of timeless music (as the bgm is the other episodes kind of aged), and you have an unforgettable experience. |
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| What an amazing ending! That welcome back message was just unbelievable touching! Really just wow! THat's what I call an ending of a great if not superb mecha anime (and heck I don't even like mecha anime) Gainax sure knew how to make a good anime back in the day! I really wonder what the sequel has to offer us but just wow for these 6 episodes! 9/10 |
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| Dam that ending was epic and sad at the same time 12,000 years Holly shit great anime now time to watch the science lessons and season 2 well the sequel! |
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| Sometimes, you just have to let the tears flow, and this ending is a fine excuse to do it. |
| [なんてこと!] is like the only dialogue I'll remember from this series. Tashiro might as well be Joseph. Anyways, looks like they ran out of budget... |
FrostbyteDOT said: [なんてこと!] is like the only dialogue I'll remember from this series. Tashiro might as well be Joseph. Anyways, looks like they ran out of budget... The never ran out of budget, it was purely an artistic choice by Anno, if you're referring to the animation and black-and-white. |
cupcApr 10, 2015 3:04 PM
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| That was the best episode of the series due to how interesting their choice was. The switch to colour was pretty good. Version 2 of it is a shame from the bits I saw though. |
| added the fourth most popular anime onto this site |
| prolly the best single episode of anime ever created |
| Not as good as episode 5, but it was a fitting ending for the show. episode 5 and 6 definitely make this worth watching... even if the first 4 episodes were between average and sub-par. If all of the episodes were like these last two, the show would get a 9/10 from me... but since I rated the first four episodes 6/10 and 7/10, it gets a solid 8/10. |
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| 12,000 years is a long ass time. xD 7/10 |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| beautiful ending. loved the decision to make it black and white rewatch was great just like the first time watching even if knowing how crazy episode 5 is the first 3 episodes kinda pale in comparison but it is a 6 episode ova so you cannot really complain for it building up to that big battle |
| If not for space, then this would have been just another shitty otaku mech series. This came first, but Gurren Lagann completely destroys it. Not enough give-a-shit points were built up on Smith Toren (fucking waste too, since you don't get many love interests with character designs like Smith's). But as always, there were multiple timeskips, so I give more pity points other than for just space points. What a fucking pity. Why did it have to be Anal Hideaki? For shame. This deserved more than 6 measly episodes. I expected this crapola to be great. Guess you can't expect anything from Anal. |
Xynical said: [なんてこと!] is like the only dialogue I'll remember from this series. Tashiro might as well be Joseph. Anyways, looks like they ran out of budget... Funny because the Black and White stuff was actually more expensive to do at the time. |
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| Gainax you done it again |
| Thx Gainax. This anime was just great. The part before "welcome back" made me cry a little XD |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
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