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Apr 8, 2015 12:13 PM
#201
EP 14 spoilers: Man, ufotable draws even minor characters like Sella or Ayako exceptionally well. Sella looks great. But still, if Shinji being able to stop Liz' attack is true, I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed or happy. On the one hand, this is bull, since Liz is super strong. On the other hand, UBW is the route where Shinji is fully fleshed out. I really wanna see that happening. I know, awful pun. :p |
Apr 8, 2015 12:27 PM
#202
CapsuleCore said: EP 14 spoilers: Man, ufotable draws even minor characters like Sella or Ayako exceptionally well. Sella looks great. But still, if Shinji being able to stop Liz' attack is true, I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed or happy. On the one hand, this is bull, since Liz is super strong. On the other hand, UBW is the route where Shinji is fully fleshed out. I really wanna see that happening. I know, awful pun. :p How is he fleshed out?I get it in FHA, but in UBW he is the usual Shinji fllowing Gil around. Damn you white text..... |
Apr 8, 2015 2:23 PM
#203
CapsuleCore said: EP 14 spoilers: Man, ufotable draws even minor characters like Sella or Ayako exceptionally well. Sella looks great. But still, if Shinji being able to stop Liz' attack is true, I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed or happy. On the one hand, this is bull, since Liz is super strong. On the other hand, UBW is the route where Shinji is fully fleshed out. I really wanna see that happening. I know, awful pun. :p It might work if Shinji borrows something from Gil. |
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Apr 8, 2015 6:05 PM
#204
Fleshed out. I got the joke 6 hours later. MagicalMeido said: It might work if Shinji borrows something from Gil. This is pretty much what I expect, it doesn't work any other way. Still stupid tho |
Apr 8, 2015 7:08 PM
#205
WrongPriest said: Fleshed out. I got the joke 6 hours later. MagicalMeido said: It might work if Shinji borrows something from Gil. This is pretty much what I expect, it doesn't work any other way. Still stupid tho Shinji is basically a "normal human" who could die by random debris flying toward him, because he doesn't even have basic self-body-strengthening. The only thing he got is the magic with those "shadows" from his book (and he loses it after Rider's death anyway), which are so weak that even a weaponless Shirou can dodge/pass it easily and a Shirou with a strengthened weapon can even break through it. He definitly needs some kind of treasure from Dr. G. |
Grey-ZoneApr 8, 2015 7:13 PM
Apr 8, 2015 8:53 PM
#206
chat77 said: ZeroDragon said: As usual, I felt the episode didn't live up to its potential and I still have numerous issues regarding how things are being adapted, but it's hilarious how much Team Salt continues to insist on polluting the subforum with excessively overblown negativity. I understand their criticisms, but it's interesting how they love to focus only on the negatives rather than any of the positives and shove it down everyone's throats repeatedly. But, their suffering generates a lot of Yuetsu so I don't really mind. So you have watched it?o.0 Sorry I was talking about Episode 13. |
Apr 8, 2015 9:05 PM
#207
Q&A with Kana Ueda: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2015-04-06/sakuracon-2015-kana-ueda-fan-q-a/.86819 Of course, ANN being ANN messed up the wording of my question. You've done like eight voices for Tohsaka Rin throughout all these years. I don't recall ever saying "You've done like eight voices". I said she was THE voice of Tohsaka Rin and that she's been doing her voice throughout all these years. Fans lined up by the hundreds for the chance to ask the seiyuu a question or two. Lol exaggeration. Maybe 30 at most. Q: My question is, have you ever found yourself accidentally or intentionally doing a tsundere voice in real life? [tsundere voice] B-betsu ni! [laughter] The translator gave the answer "I-I-It's not like I want to answer or anything". I understand their reviews are crap, but I don't frequent the site so I didn't realize their sloppiness extended beyond opinionated reviews. |
Apr 9, 2015 3:32 AM
#208
ZeroDragon said: As usual, I felt the episode didn't live up to its potential and I still have numerous issues regarding how things are being adapted, but it's hilarious how much Team Salt continues to insist on polluting the subforum with excessively overblown negativity. I understand their criticisms, but it's interesting how they love to focus only on the negatives rather than any of the positives and shove it down everyone's throats repeatedly. But, their suffering generates a lot of Yuetsu so I don't really mind. Exactly. I can see some of the criticism as well, though most of those things you/others bring up didn't affect me or in some cases even grab my attention at all while actually watching the episode(s) - hence it doesn't mean much to me. But that's not the problem. A person not liking it for X reason, is not really a problem. Why would it be? The problem... is when the same fucking people keep saying the same fucking things over and over, generating a negative "veil" over the forum for no good reason. Clearly, most viewers are in fact enjoying the series - A LOT. And yet regardless of that, the forum is a swamp of... ... something, thanks to a few (mostly Cooking). Yea, there you go. The episode discussion thread should be a bit more clean now anyway, so that's nice. That's the most important I think. CapsuleCore said: EP 14 spoilers: Man, ufotable draws even minor characters like Sella or Ayako exceptionally well. Sella looks great. But still, if Shinji being able to stop Liz' attack is true, I'm not sure whether I should be disappointed or happy. On the one hand, this is bull, since Liz is super strong. On the other hand, UBW is the route where Shinji is fully fleshed out. I really wanna see that happening. I know, awful pun. :p Episode 14 Even if it doesn't make sense for Shinji to do it, I'm sure it'll look funny anyway. Well, like some others here, I'd also have to guess that Gil helps him with it. Dunno how else they could get away with it, lol. We'll see. Really though I'm just excited to see new content and having it all be animated, similar to what CarenPriest said. Any interesting additions that weren't in the VN are welcome in my book, as long as it fits in well enough with the rest of it. The best example of that so far has been the scenes with Illya in ep3 imo. |
HarlequinaApr 9, 2015 3:42 AM
Apr 9, 2015 4:44 AM
#209
Plus Taiga over Kiri's grave was good too, I'm glad they gave her more serious parts. The subforum's getting too serious again, we need more Jeff. |
Apr 9, 2015 5:42 AM
#210
Harlequina said: Even if it doesn't make sense for Shinji to do it, I'm sure it'll look funny anyway. Well, like some others here, I'd also have to guess that Gil helps him with it. Dunno how else they could get away with it, lol. We'll see. Really though I'm just excited to see new content and having it all be animated, similar to what CarenPriest said. Any interesting additions that weren't in the VN are welcome in my book, as long as it fits in well enough with the rest of it. The best example of that so far has been the scenes with Illya in ep3 imo. You see, I might actually end up laughing too. But for all the wrong reasons. Shinji is written as a pathetic piece of dung in the entirety of FSN, even his more sympathetic side was left out and only mentioned/shown in material books and FHA. I don't want him to get any cool scenes. New content is in my opinion almost always welcome, but not something like this. We'll see Sella and Liz, but even if they will die horribly, seeing them again next episode is something I'm really looking forward to. And I agree, Nasu's addition in ep3 is the best example for why new scenes that weren't in the novel can make this adaptation great and even positively surprise VN readers. WrongPriest said: Plus Taiga over Kiri's grave was good too, I'm glad they gave her more serious parts. The subforum's getting too serious again, we need more Jeff. Here's something to lighten the mood: ... See? This is why UBW-Shinji is best Shinji. |
CapsuleCoreApr 9, 2015 5:50 AM
Apr 9, 2015 5:44 AM
#211
Apr 9, 2015 6:26 AM
#212
WrongPriest said: who doesn'tPlus Taiga over Kiri's grave was good too, I'm glad they gave her more serious parts. The subforum's getting too serious again, we need more Jeff. |
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Apr 9, 2015 6:34 AM
#213
CapsuleCore said: f/ha shinji is best shinjiSee? This is why UBW-Shinji is best Shinji. |
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Apr 9, 2015 6:54 AM
#214
CapsuleCore said: Harlequina said: Even if it doesn't make sense for Shinji to do it, I'm sure it'll look funny anyway. Well, like some others here, I'd also have to guess that Gil helps him with it. Dunno how else they could get away with it, lol. We'll see. Really though I'm just excited to see new content and having it all be animated, similar to what CarenPriest said. Any interesting additions that weren't in the VN are welcome in my book, as long as it fits in well enough with the rest of it. The best example of that so far has been the scenes with Illya in ep3 imo. You see, I might actually end up laughing too. But for all the wrong reasons. Shinji is written as a pathetic piece of dung in the entirety of FSN, even his more sympathetic side was left out and only mentioned/shown in material books and FHA. I don't want him to get any cool scenes. New content is in my opinion almost always welcome, but not something like this. We'll see Sella and Liz, but even if they will die horribly, seeing them again next episode is something I'm really looking forward to. And I agree, Nasu's addition in ep3 is the best example for why new scenes that weren't in the novel can make this adaptation great and even positively surprise VN readers. Indeed... well, just gotta wait and see what they actually did with that scene. Soon. I've only skimmed through a bit of text about it on the UBW S2 forum. Don't exactly have a solid idea of what happens in it. :p It's not like he's really gonna be less despicable later on anyway. Not in my eyes at least. Those actions he has already taken/tries to take later will still be just as bad regardless. (honestly I only remember the 'tried to rape Rin part', as far as UBW goes) |
HarlequinaApr 9, 2015 6:57 AM
Apr 9, 2015 7:28 AM
#215
Shinji is best girl. |
Apr 9, 2015 9:59 AM
#216
Just quietly though about the whole Shinji thing.. Is there any way in hell that Gil would let someone touch let alone use his treasures? I mean sure some glasses with the kings but SHINJI? a POWERFUL RARE TREASURE? This is Gil we're talking about. I really don't see it now that I think about it. Maybe Zouken worms him or gives him a book that makes him not a pussy. Just a thought. |
Apr 9, 2015 10:12 AM
#217
WrongPriest said: Just quietly though about the whole Shinji thing.. Is there any way in hell that Gil would let someone touch let alone use his treasures? I mean sure some glasses with the kings but SHINJI? a POWERFUL RARE TREASURE? This is Gil we're talking about. I really don't see it now that I think about it. Maybe Zouken worms him or gives him a book that makes him not a pussy. Just a thought. Very unlikely. (Mongoose is a BL member, for those who are wondering.) It's a joke question, of course, but I think it fits Gil's character. Gil immediately washed his clothes after Shinji touched them in EP 10. There's no way Gil would let anyone but his friend use his treasured weapons. He doesn't want you to steal them (Lancelot), he doesn't want you to copy them (Faker), he'll discard them if they touched something filthy (Cthulhu). Yeah, no way. |
Apr 9, 2015 10:31 AM
#218
CapsuleCore said: There's no way Gil would let anyone but his friend use his treasured weapons. He doesn't want you to steal them (Lancelot), he doesn't want you to copy them (Faker), he'll discard them if they touched something filthy (Cthulhu). Yeah, no way. Maybe Gil used that thing when he entered the Matou basement to protect himself from the stench or whatever. Then since it was "tainted", he gave this now worthless treasure to his worthless "master", i.e. Shinji is Gil's garbage can. |
Apr 9, 2015 11:51 AM
#219
Wow! Fai has now started to openly deny reality! CookingPriest said: Grey-Zone said: YggdrasilTM said: If you are interested, missing things watched in episode 13 at Sakura Con (this is not mine, I took it from a Beast Lair post) "So I had time to watch the broadcast for 13 and yeah we got uncut stuff at Sakura Con. After the OP, it actually has Caster upstairs in the church having a hissy fit, throwing pews around because she can't find the grail, which then cuts to the flying shot of her going downstairs to where Saber is. And yeah, as she's talking about Saber resisting, she runs her fingers down Saber's back and pats her ass before Kuzuki comes in. It also has Shirou during the daytime looking around the city for Rin, but as he's wounded he's stopping frequently to catch his breath and clutch his shoulder, which has a shot of a mother and her kid looking at him like he's trouble and hurrying away." Ah, so where are the supposed scenes where Archer fights Kuzuki "evenly"? Where is that supposed scene where Rin "kicks" Shirou? Or the scene where Shirou interferes after Archer already got Rin's freedom? Yea, some of those earlier spoilers were either maliciously filled with half-truths for the purpose of baiting, or the observational abilities of the people who watched it was so bad they mixed up arms (shove) with legs (kick), or someone failed epicly at translating those lines. In the episode. You are justway too biased and pushing agenda to notice them. |
Apr 9, 2015 12:04 PM
#220
The more I read this about Shinji stopping Liz's halberd,the more i think it's just people being rused and what actually happens is she points it at his face,he shoves it away or something and then suddenly here comes Doctor Gil to make your day brighter. Either way,we'll see |
Apr 9, 2015 12:23 PM
#221
DamnThatsTheSpot said: The more I read this about Shinji stopping Liz's halberd,the more i think it's just people being rused and what actually happens is she points it at his face,he shoves it away or something and then suddenly here comes Doctor Gil to make your day brighter. Either way,we'll see Exactly what I think, but of course they're using something that hasn't even aired to diss the adaptation more. I honestly think there's no way ufotable would mess up power levels that much. The farthest they've gone with that was the Saber wank in episode 3, but at least it worked to show Berserker's NP. |
Apr 9, 2015 1:39 PM
#222
jmcm30 said: I honestly think there's no way ufotable would mess up power levels that much. Considering that's what they've been doing this entire adaptation,not really. And i'm not even talking about the Saber killing Berserker part,since it could be argued she was about to do that in the VN too. It's just this particular thing sounds way too silly to be believable. |
Apr 9, 2015 2:56 PM
#223
DamnThatsTheSpot said: jmcm30 said: I honestly think there's no way ufotable would mess up power levels that much. Considering that's what they've been doing this entire adaptation,not really. And i'm not even talking about the Saber killing Berserker part,since it could be argued she was about to do that in the VN too. It's just this particular thing sounds way too silly to be believable. Really? In what other instance besides Saber killing Zerker did they mess up the power levels? I guess Caster holding off Saber for a few seconds? That's the only one I can think of, they've screwed up several things, but the fights have been generally consistent with, or improving the VN. Anyway yeah, way too silly to be believable, and it wouldn't even be a big deal to me if they did something similar to that for comedy. |
Apr 9, 2015 3:16 PM
#224
I guess Caster holding off Saber for a few seconds? That and -Archer sending Lancer flying in their first fight -Saber dodging a complete TG(though according to that Q&A this happened because they didn't wanna waste time infodumping on Kojiro's birdslaying skills,still a thing) -Kuzuki punching Shirou twice in the chest and once in the face yet him not going splat -Rin somehow countering all of Caster's beam spam with all her jewels -lolwatergolems i'm just waiting to see how they handle Herc vs Gil,cuz everyone's saying he apparently nearly hamburgered Goldie at the end and it wouldn't even be a big deal to me if they did something similar to that for comedy. Wouldn't mind it either,though it'd kinda break the tone if they suddenly get butchered right after a comedic scene |
Apr 9, 2015 5:54 PM
#225
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-09/fate-is-no.1-franchise-in-collective-cd-book-video-sales-for-march/.86946 Anyone can estimate the first cour cost? The sales looked like they did excellent. Surpassing even one piece,even if its for 1 month. |
Apr 9, 2015 6:25 PM
#226
FrozenRemains said: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-09/fate-is-no.1-franchise-in-collective-cd-book-video-sales-for-march/.86946 Anyone can estimate the first cour cost? The sales looked like they did excellent. Surpassing even one piece,even if its for 1 month. If they had switched Assassination Classroom with Fate, it would have been perfect, still good to see the franchises I like being popoular, although AC seems to be very unpopular in the West... no idea why... maybe too much obsession with "dark" having to be "in your face"-style, as opposed to AC's subtle dark themes. Also: WTF? What is 24 doing there? |
Apr 9, 2015 7:09 PM
#227
Grey-Zone said: FrozenRemains said: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-04-09/fate-is-no.1-franchise-in-collective-cd-book-video-sales-for-march/.86946 Anyone can estimate the first cour cost? The sales looked like they did excellent. Surpassing even one piece,even if its for 1 month. Also: WTF? What is 24 doing there? You didn't know? 24 is pretty popular over there. Probably because Kiefer Sutherland's voice actor is awesome, hue. Yes, that's Kiritsugu's voice actor, Rikiya Koyama. Anyway, I guess the sales were good, though they sold 10k fewer units than with FZ Vol 1. |
Apr 9, 2015 8:47 PM
#228
lols watching the prologue episode again, just realized Rin's command spell showed up on her hand in her phone conversation with kirei. lends more credibility to archer being full of shit. |
Apr 9, 2015 9:59 PM
#229
DamnThatsTheSpot said: I guess Caster holding off Saber for a few seconds? That and -Archer sending Lancer flying in their first fight -Saber dodging a complete TG(though according to that Q&A this happened because they didn't wanna waste time infodumping on Kojiro's birdslaying skills,still a thing) -Kuzuki punching Shirou twice in the chest and once in the face yet him not going splat -Rin somehow countering all of Caster's beam spam with all her jewels -lolwatergolems i'm just waiting to see how they handle Herc vs Gil,cuz everyone's saying he apparently nearly hamburgered Goldie at the end and it wouldn't even be a big deal to me if they did something similar to that for comedy. Wouldn't mind it either,though it'd kinda break the tone if they suddenly get butchered right after a comedic scene -It isnt weird for a small burst of str to overpower a Lancer that is holding back. -Saber avoided a TG and killed Sasaki in the VN.And unlike the VN she barely escaped in the anime. -Shirou has taken attacks from Kirei,Rider etc and survived.Body made out of swords and all... -Didnt she do that in the VN as well?No seriously she actually beats Caster in the VN with almost the same way.Why are people so worked up about ep13,especially when Caster didnt have any real problems?It is brilliant foreshadowing for the rematch. The only asspull with Rin is that she has Unlimited Jewel Works. -I dont see the problem with Water Golems. |
Apr 10, 2015 2:40 AM
#230
One more day till the episode,boyz Othi-tan said: -It isnt weird for a small burst of str to overpower a Lancer that is holding back. Even when holding back,Lancer is far superior to Archer in melee.Hence their first fight where Archer couldn't do jack to the man in blue tights and was constantly on the defensive. -Saber avoided a TG and killed Sasaki in the VN. Not a complete one.The one she did avoid in their second fight was due to his sword being bent,thus he couldn't use it to it's full potential. -Shirou has taken attacks from Kirei,Rider etc and survived.Body made out of swords and all... When he got hit once in the chest in the VN by Kuzuki he died. -Didnt she do that in the VN as well?No seriously she actually beats Caster in the VN with almost the same way. Nah.Caster kept using just one spell and was forcing Rin to counter with one gem each time.She was never serious.A full on beam spam should be impossible for her to overcome.Especially so easily. -I dont see the problem with Water Golems. They're stupid. |
Apr 10, 2015 2:43 AM
#231
Maloghurst said: Uh... why? Please elaborate.lols watching the prologue episode again, just realized Rin's command spell showed up on her hand in her phone conversation with kirei. lends more credibility to archer being full of shit. As for Tsubame Gaeshi: The first time in the novel it was used on Saber, she dodged because of unequal footing (she fell) and the third strike couldn't be used. A full three-strike TB is usually impossible to dodge, the one case in the novel where Saber was able to break through and defeat Assassin was because his sword was bent. So be careful when you compare the cases in the anime and the novel, because the same conditions aren't met. Anyway, I don't see it as much of a big deal. Yeah, yeah, Saber should get hit (fatally). She actually did get hit in the anime, although admittedly without suffering a serious wound, since her armor protected her barely from the final strike. The rest was instincts and Invisible Air release, which for me is a decent enough explanation why she would get away. It's more Saber wanking and lessens Assassin's skills, but that is such a minor detail only VN readers would ever notice. Same with Berserker's God Hand. |
Apr 10, 2015 3:17 AM
#232
a minor detail only VN readers would ever notice Well duh.That's what this current topic is about,no? I mean,I don't really care either way,i'm just saying Ufo seems to be throwing away some stuff in favor of rule of cool. |
Apr 10, 2015 3:52 AM
#233
Cant anybody give me an estimate on what i asked? Very important knowledge. |
Apr 10, 2015 4:47 AM
#234
That's why I said small burst of power from Archer for only a moment of the fight.For the entire rest of the fight he was being pushed back.It's like saying that Shirou cutting Gil or managing to not get sucked in the void is displaying Shirou's "superior" str. @Both Core and Damn Escaping TG due to "finding a path and rushing to it" and using Invisible air to propel herself out of the way before the attack connects are equally ridiculous to me with the former being slightly worse because it s a cop out from Nasu.. The VN IS inconsistent at times.But with Kuzki the problem isnt the number of attacks but the power behind them.Rin is punched in the VN as well but doesnt go splat unless if it is dead end. Caster was using ONE spell in the anime as well.The ONLY thing she did was countering Rin's jewels, she didnt even attack Rin herself.It isnt much different from Lancer playing with Shirou and getting his attacks deflected by a reinforced poster. that's all for Water Golems? |
Apr 10, 2015 5:01 AM
#235
FrozenRemains said: Cant anybody give me an estimate on what i asked? Very important knowledge. A Lot. |
Apr 10, 2015 5:31 AM
#236
Othi-tan said: @Both Core and Damn Escaping TG due to "finding a path and rushing to it" and using Invisible air to propel herself out of the way before the attack connects are equally ridiculous to me with the former being slightly worse because it s a cop out from Nasu.. The VN IS inconsistent at times.But with Kuzki the problem isnt the number of attacks but the power behind them.Rin is punched in the VN as well but doesnt go splat unless if it is dead end. I don't really see why the former is even slightly worse, because the latter also seems like a convenient cop out, approved by Nasu apparently. To me, both are equally convenient and give an excuse why Tsubame Gaeshi didn't connect properly, but whatever. There was never a situation where Assassin launched a complete Tsubame Gaeshi in the VN. (But this happened in the anime.) As awesome and badass TG is always made to be, it is never properly used. Kind of like Gae Bolg in FSN. Which reminds me, that Nasu always has a wild card excuse for Saber: instincts. As for the Kuzuki problem, it's kinda weird. I understand why the first hit on Rin didn't kill her in the novel (he hit her solar plexus, sohe initially wanted to stop her from casting, first). The next attack is basically what Kuzuki did with Rider. Instant kill. In the novel, Shirou is always able to slightly parry the Snake bites, as Kuzuki never lands a single direct hit on him, which Shirou notes would be deadly for him. He takes direct hits in the anime, though, and this isn't same as it is with Kirei and Rider, either, because UBW didn't replace his muscles and bones with swords yet. |
CapsuleCoreApr 10, 2015 5:38 AM
Apr 10, 2015 5:37 AM
#237
How many spoiler tags was that,Wrong Othi-tan said: That's why I said small burst of power from Archer for only a moment of the fight. Yes and what you said is nonsensical,hence why it never happened in the VN. Escaping TG due to "finding a path and rushing to it" and using Invisible air to propel herself out of the way before the attack connects are equally ridiculous to me with the former being slightly worse because it s a cop out from Nasu.. The former happened to a nerfed TG.The one in the anime wasn't. Whether you find the source material stupid or not is irrelevant to this matter. The VN IS inconsistent at times.But with Kuzki the problem isnt the number of attacks but the power behind them.Rin is punched in the VN as well but doesnt go splat unless if it is dead end. Rin strengthened her stomach and jumped back in the last minute.Shirou got hit in the face.Kuzuki was trying to kill them,so there's no reason to assume he was holding back. Caster was using ONE spell in the anime as well. All those different nuke circles are one spell to you?It wasn't her playing around at all like in their second battle |
Apr 10, 2015 6:13 AM
#238
Speaking of good friends. Does anyone have a TV stream for Tokyo MX I can borrow? I'm really bad at finding ones that work >.< |
Apr 10, 2015 6:19 AM
#239
DamnThatsTheSpot said: How many spoiler tags was that,Wrong Othi-tan said: That's why I said small burst of power from Archer for only a moment of the fight. Yes and what you said is nonsensical,hence why it never happened in the VN. Escaping TG due to "finding a path and rushing to it" and using Invisible air to propel herself out of the way before the attack connects are equally ridiculous to me with the former being slightly worse because it s a cop out from Nasu.. The former happened to a nerfed TG.The one in the anime wasn't. Whether you find the source material stupid or not is irrelevant to this matter. The VN IS inconsistent at times.But with Kuzki the problem isnt the number of attacks but the power behind them.Rin is punched in the VN as well but doesnt go splat unless if it is dead end. Rin strengthened her stomach and jumped back in the last minute.Shirou got hit in the face.Kuzuki was trying to kill them,so there's no reason to assume he was holding back. Caster was using ONE spell in the anime as well. All those different nuke circles are one spell to you?It wasn't her playing around at all like in their second battle It s nonsensical that the fight was changed a bit and gave Archer the power to push back Lancer ONCE.Right... Rushing in a nerfed TG vs Propelled away before a complete TG strikes.Where is the problem? Saber was toyed with, and she has Servant stats and her armor and Shirou's sword was broken.How does "Rin using reinforcement on herself and jumping back saves her" seem like NOT a mess up with powerlevels?I mean you have a problem with Archer pushing Lancer back ONCE when their powerlevels arent that different but Rin surviving any hit is ok? YEs I cam calling those circles ONE spell.Did she EVER used them to attack Rin?No.Did she used them ALL at the same time?No. Yes she used the same spell.She didnt use it the same way as with Archer.If you saw Caster being serious against Rin then we saw different fights. |
Apr 10, 2015 7:02 AM
#240
Othi-tan said: It s nonsensical that the fight was changed a bit and gave Archer the power to push back Lancer ONCE.Right... I already said I don't care about the changes,your logic for why he was sent flying is what i'm calling nonsensical.With what we know of them. "small burst of power from Archer for only a moment of the fight." is like wut.Cu's raw physical strength being way above Archer's is the point i'm making.And you trying to justify it as perfectly consistent with the VN is what i'm arguing against. Rushing in a nerfed TG vs Propelled away before a complete TG strikes.Where is the problem? Once you're in range you can't escape it.That's the whole point of TG.Three strikes from three different directions which prevent you from dodging from any side. Saber was toyed with, and she has Servant stats and her armor and Shirou's sword was broken.How does "Rin using reinforcement on herself and jumping back saves her" seem like NOT a mess up with powerlevels?I mean you have a problem with Archer pushing Lancer back ONCE when their powerlevels arent that different but Rin surviving any hit is ok? Kuzuki's the one Master who never fucks around,why would he do so with a Servant of all people? As for Rin,she wasn't hit in a vital area and "She managed to instantly jump back, so the attack only stopped her breath." It's what happened in the VN.Else she would be dead.And that's from one punch. then we saw different fights I think we did. Compare Even though I did play with you, you forced me to compete in magic. Her standing around and only firing a single bolt from her hand to what happened in the anime.It might not be 100% pure effort,but it's not playing around either.I mean why would she play around when Archer's lurking in the background and for all she knows is ready to attack her or Kuzuki |
Apr 10, 2015 7:58 AM
#241
"as perfectly consistent with the VN" I never said that.I said that a weaker char overwhelming a stronger one happened many times in the VN itself.In teh anime it happened in a scene that didnt in the Vn.that doesnt mean it i s"OMG wrong powerlevels". TG is nearly impossible to avoid and armor can stop it(Nasu's words).Saber was ,as always, lucky that it only hit her armor. Again:Kuzuki KOed Saber.That means he gave her fatal for a human wounds.Tell me how jumping back and getting hit in a"non vital" area can save a human from such attacks? So, more circles=more effort?Did you really see what she did in the anime?She only attacked the jewels when she COULD EASILY attack Rin along with the jewels.Compare that to how she fought against Archer in the temple.You see any effort from her? She didnt seem concerned about Archer or Kuzuki at all.Nowhere in the anime it looks like Caster is having a difficult time.Yes she was surprised by Gandr being suddenly next to her face.It has nothing to do with being a superior Magus. The scene from the VN proves nothing about the anime. |
Apr 10, 2015 10:10 AM
#242
I've lost interest in this but armor can stop it(Nasu's words) where did he say that? |
Apr 10, 2015 10:23 AM
#243
DamnThatsTheSpot said: I've lost interest in this but armor can stop it(Nasu's words) where did he say that? Comptiq 2007-11 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A: Q: Gilgamesh has no skills in swordsmanship, would Assassin win if Gilgamesh is caught in the range of Tsubame Gaeshi? A: Most likely, he will just defend with his armour, or take out some really unfair defensive armament that protects against Multidimensional Refraction Phenomenon, from the Gate of Babylon. However, Gilgamesh is capable of accurately assessing his opponents' abilities, so he would not consider having a battle of swordsmanship with Assassin the first place. Yes I know Gil's armor is super strong compared to others but it is still armor. |
Apr 10, 2015 11:09 AM
#244
Dude..Gil's armor is an actual NP capable of tanking attacks from Saber and shrugging off Rider's Breaker Gorgon Meanwhile Kojiro cuts through Saber's like butter |
Apr 10, 2015 11:32 AM
#245
DamnThatsTheSpot said: Dude..Gil's armor is an actual NP capable of tanking attacks from Saber and shrugging off Rider's Breaker Gorgon Meanwhile Kojiro cuts through Saber's like butter Sasaki's sword isnt some high rank NP and his Str isnt high either so no it cant cut through Saber's like butter. He has a deadly attack that doesnt mean that he can ignore all defences. She took the blast from Ea and Excalibur and her armor had no real damage except some cracks in the low parts(dont know how it is called). It is deadly but only because it aims for the head and other vitals.Even Saber's precognition shows her neck,elbow and waist being sliced. |
Apr 10, 2015 12:13 PM
#246
Sasaki's sword isnt some high rank NP and his Str isnt high either so no it cant cut through Saber's like butter. Except that's what he totally did in the VN.And in the anime too,with his normal attacks,no less. STR and POWAH isn't the way he fights either. Anyway this doesn't matter,Nasu never said anything about any ol armor being able to prevent you from dying from it except Gil's. The narrator in the VN himself stated had his sword not been bent he would have won.And no things wouldn't have been different if Saber attempted to dodge instead of take him on,that's not how TG works.If you're in range and he decides to use it,unless you can tank it or he messes it up due to his foothold or the area,you're gone And that's my last post on the matter. |
Apr 10, 2015 1:52 PM
#247
When did that happen exactly?And in the anime the armor had no damage at all.The moment it is "damaged",like a scratch, mana restores it back immediately. I dont see how that "damage" can penetrate the armor and fatally wound Sabe or any Servant. ------------------------- She bites her lip. She cannot waste any time. She surpasses him in power. She can overpower him if she uses her magical energy(you know as in her ARMOR) and her sword as a shield. Just one blow. She can overpower him if she can withstand just one blow. It can be her arm or leg. If she does not allow the wound to slow her, there will be no second attack. She can surely slash Assassin after she receives his blow. But… If the attack is to come for her neck, she cannot overpower him. All of this Servant's attacks are of that kind. All are meant to take her life. ------------------------------------------------- I know why she avoided it in the VN.That doesnt mean it is the only way.Nasu never said that it can magically penetrate all defences.It isnt ALL powerful, it is 3 strikes executed at once.It's power lies in being unavoidable and in Sasaki's accuracy on vitals, not on power. |
Apr 10, 2015 2:07 PM
#248
2 Things i don't understand about F/SN Fans: 1- The Archer love. Why do people love this guy? 2- The Sakura hate. That one i understand even less then the Archer love. Can someone explain this to me? |
Apr 10, 2015 2:14 PM
#249
Shrimperor said: 2 Things i don't understand about F/SN Fans: 1- The Archer love. Why do people love this guy? 2- The Sakura hate. That one i understand even less then the Archer love. Can someone explain this to me? 1.Troll,powerful,red cloak,Gar,and if not for Answer the Shirou that fully understand that his ideal sucks. 2.From what I understood after many wars?She isnt Rin.Oh and many ignore her char because "nothing happens" before she goes dak. |
Apr 10, 2015 2:37 PM
#250
Shrimperor said: 2 Things i don't understand about F/SN Fans: 1- The Archer love. Why do people love this guy? 2- The Sakura hate. That one i understand even less then the Archer love. Can someone explain this to me? 1-I understand that people dislike how he gets love just for being GAR and generically badass. But he's also actually a great character, and he's only a dick temporarily. He's a twisted version of Shirou that broke due to blindly following his ideals, but it's because of that that they both become better people. Shirou knows their limits, Archer understands they're not meaningless. After this, he goes back to being a good person right at the end, so despite all the shit he's done, you know why he got to that point, so I'd say it's fine to like him. 2-Don't get this either. Apparently, her romance with Shirou is forced or something. And having a horrible a past that leads to severe mental issues obviously means she's a bitch, lol (hoping that since it's this club, this doens't erupt into a Sakura war). |
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