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May 28, 2009 5:43 AM

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Kabyk said:

Prior to showing up in front of Ed, Lust and Envy spent 5 minutes saying how Ed could be trouble if he learns too much, or something along those lines, then go on and save his life. Wow. If he was anyone BUT the main character, he would've died.


Lust also said in one of previous episode that they can't let Ed die. :)
May 28, 2009 10:27 AM
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Kabyk said:
Ugh...I know its a minor fact, but it always bothers me when main characters are alive solely because they're main characters.

Prior to showing up in front of Ed, Lust and Envy spent 5 minutes saying how Ed could be trouble if he learns too much, or something along those lines, then go on and save his life. Wow. If he was anyone BUT the main character, he would've died.

I'm not singling out FMA by any means, this shtick always bothers me no matter what it is (movie, show, book), but I usually get over it soon enough. I just hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often.


It isn't just because he's the main character, I believe they're going to reveal why they can't let him die. I personally can't remember why or if they even have revealed why yet in the manga but from the looks of it there is a big reason why they didn't just kill him off.
May 28, 2009 3:04 PM

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Great action packed episode ^^
Love this anime


May 28, 2009 3:24 PM

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Deadpool135 said:
That stood out to me as well. That particular subbing group is going for a more direct translation, thus resulting in the translation of "mechanical doll". That isn't quite how a Japanese person would perceive it though. The English dub of the first series had a slightly different way of putting it, they used a much looser translation (however they worded it, it felt correct).

The Funimation sub of this episode used "armour puppet".

Anyway, good episode, not amazing but still definitely a good one. All this talk about whether Al is human and implanted memories and stuff make me think of Blade Runner. Personally, I don't find it that unbelievable that he's starting to have his doubts about it.
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loved that episode! i remember in the first MFA they dragged out these fights forever. it's great that they're speeding up the pace!
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May 28, 2009 7:18 PM

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Another great episode. I've always loved this fight in both the manga and in the first series, so it was great to see it again. And of course, Hughes continues to be awesome. XD
May 28, 2009 9:26 PM
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It was the best episode thus far...
May 29, 2009 6:06 AM

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The fighting scenes are awesome.......
May 29, 2009 6:14 AM
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Capellabun said:
Kabyk said:
Ugh...I know its a minor fact, but it always bothers me when main characters are alive solely because they're main characters.

Prior to showing up in front of Ed, Lust and Envy spent 5 minutes saying how Ed could be trouble if he learns too much, or something along those lines, then go on and save his life. Wow. If he was anyone BUT the main character, he would've died.

I'm not singling out FMA by any means, this shtick always bothers me no matter what it is (movie, show, book), but I usually get over it soon enough. I just hope this kind of thing doesn't happen too often.


It isn't just because he's the main character, I believe they're going to reveal why they can't let him die. I personally can't remember why or if they even have revealed why yet in the manga but from the looks of it there is a big reason why they didn't just kill him off.


Oh, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation. There usually is.
In stories like this, the power level of the main character is a balancing act; shouldn't be too powerful, nor too weak. I just hate the bad guys convienently not killing the main char.

I liked what they did in FMA1 to get around this trope, which was A) Saying specifically they need him alive so he can do alchemy for them because they can't B) Acting on that fact by forcing Ed to make a P. Stone by holding Al hostage. (The latter got conveniently saved, but w/e, a valiant attempt nonetheless)

This is also why I feel Naruto (the story) is only good when Naruto (the character) is NOT involved. He's far too weak for what he does. He just holds the show back. (For example and/or proof see: Immortal Destroyers Arc)
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May 29, 2009 6:28 AM

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Kabyk said:

Oh, I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation. There usually is.
In stories like this, the power level of the main character is a balancing act; shouldn't be too powerful, nor too weak. I just hate the bad guys convienently not killing the main char.

I liked what they did in FMA1 to get around this trope, which was A) Saying specifically they need him alive so he can do alchemy for them because they can't B) Acting on that fact by forcing Ed to make a P. Stone by holding Al hostag


But you see they already have stated that they NEED him alive for something in FMA2 too, its just we don't k now for what. As long as Ed does not find out anything dangerous for them in Lab5 he must live at all costs.

As for Naruto funny when you mention it, considering on what has happened in manga already
The character being weak or strong or how he is going through the story purely depends on writers. While Kishimoto moves story by
, mangaka like Arakawa(FMA) or Hoshino(DGM) tend to add the plot-relevant factors on which the main character survival could depend.
May 29, 2009 6:35 AM

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I thought the episode was well paced this is due to the dialogue being concise but informative, and the action beig kept to a maximum. I can't believe Al fell for those mind games. The next episode looks like it is just going full of dialogue, which is good.
May 29, 2009 10:21 AM
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Fai, I totally agree on the different styles. (I'm not going to put the quotes, it's far too long) Even though some things in D.G-M are a bit TOO convenient. (COUGH* ARK REVIVING DEAD PEOPLE *COUGH)

Assuming the reason they need Ed alive is more/different than the FMA1 reason I stated, I will be very excited for that revelation. Until that revelation shows itself I'll be thinking Ed is living on unwarranted borrowed time.

And I'm trying to stay with the anime (on Naruto), but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up super-ridiculous like your spoilers likely say. I guess I'm just still angry about the Naruto vs Kakuzu fight. I found it less satisfying than any of the fillers. I was actually angry walking away from that episode. I suppose the HORRIBLE Movie 2 didn't help matters either.
May 29, 2009 12:07 PM

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Kabyk said:
Assuming the reason they need Ed alive is more/different than the FMA1 reason I stated, I will be very excited for that revelation. Until that revelation shows itself I'll be thinking Ed is living on unwarranted borrowed time.


its nothing like FMA1. And yes he is.

Kabyk said:

And I'm trying to stay with the anime (on Naruto), but I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up super-ridiculous like your spoilers likely say. I guess I'm just still angry about the Naruto vs Kakuzu fight. I found it less satisfying than any of the fillers. I was actually angry walking away from that episode. I suppose the HORRIBLE Movie 2 didn't help matters either.


Welcome to the Part II of that anime. Let me say this: It will only get worse, more ridiculous and stupid.
May 30, 2009 5:29 PM

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I loved this episode and love this season even more.
The figth sequences are real sweet.
Lools at Hughese and his tlak =)


Jun 1, 2009 11:58 AM

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Nice action. It's interesting how such an sadistic character (The butcher Chopper guy) can be funny...I feel weird saying that : /

Jun 4, 2009 10:21 AM

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Envy saving Al didn't happen last season did it?

Slicer was so hott... and he was just a suit of armor...

And Ed using Scar's attack was super smexy.

FMA is just pure <3
Jun 10, 2009 1:58 PM

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Whoa, the music is this episode was awesome.
I thought this episode did the 5th laboratory better than the first series.

Great actions scenes too.
Jun 16, 2009 5:14 PM

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Granted it was a part of the first series, but I love how Al is so willing to accept the words of a crazy serial murderer trying to kill him, and believe that not only Ed, but Winry and Granny are together in a giant conspiracy against him...despite the fact that Ed was willing to give up his own life for him in the episode with Scar.

As for the rest...I've already elaborated the problems with mixing unfunny chibi comedy with serious scenes filled with life and death. At least in the first season, this same episode was dead serious.

As for the action scenes...they were far inferior to the original, in large part because of the much smaller art budget.
Jun 17, 2009 4:23 AM

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ShaolinRibeiro said:

As for the action scenes...they were far inferior to the original, in large part because of the much smaller art budget.



I have to LOL@ THIS. Its really easy to spot when a troll talks.
Jun 18, 2009 4:54 AM

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Fai said:
ShaolinRibeiro said:

As for the action scenes...they were far inferior to the original, in large part because of the much smaller art budget.


I have to LOL@ THIS. Its really easy to spot when a troll talks.


I have to laugh at your moronic posts. It's easy to spot when an idiot fan talks. The only people who haven't noticed the inferior art for this series are Fai and the legally blind.
Jun 18, 2009 6:13 AM

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ShaolinRibeiro said:


I have to laugh at your moronic posts. It's easy to spot when an idiot fan talks. The only people who haven't noticed the inferior art for this series are Fai and the legally blind.


Considering FMA2 has almost movie-quality animation and is in hd AND has closer designs to manga, I can't help but LOL@another troll.
Jun 18, 2009 9:10 AM

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The animation being inferior in Brotherhood is almost so apparent that it sometimes feels like a fact, and not an opinion. Some people just prefer a sloppier animation style I guess.
Jun 18, 2009 11:20 AM

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LOL@TROLL
Proof that
FMA:B animation > "FMA" Animation


Jun 18, 2009 1:38 PM

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Deadpool135 said:
The animation being inferior in Brotherhood is almost so apparent that it sometimes feels like a fact, and not an opinion. Some people just prefer a sloppier animation style I guess.


Just ignore Fai; he's a blind (figuratively and literally) fan who irrationally hates everything about FMA1, and praises everything in the second one to high heaven, even when it makes him a total fool. (The amount of money spent on art IS less for the sequel. There's just no way to deny this)

Notice his compulsive need to respond to any negative fact, let alone opinion about the show

If you want some more laughs, check out some of his hilarious claims in this topic;

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=80612&show=20

as well as this one;

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=82791&show=0

If you told the guy that two plus two makes four, and FMA2 featured a scene saying it was five, he'd probably call you a troll also, and trump out "proof" to show that you're wrong.
Jun 18, 2009 2:10 PM

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ShaolinRibeiro said:

If you told the guy that two plus two makes four


Troll + Troll = Twice the Fail
Jun 26, 2009 11:24 PM

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The animation is just good, why bother with it? LOL! It's good and it's nice.
Jun 26, 2009 11:39 PM

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I think the only difference between the two styles is that FMA1 loved using more darker tones... >>

But the animation in FMAB does seem a bit more fluid.
Jun 28, 2009 5:30 AM
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animation qualities in both series are great, their a bit different but still both are awesome,
I like the animation in FMA B a bit more

don't know why you guy's are bitching about this, cause both FMA series outclasses most anime in animation quality
Aug 18, 2009 5:12 AM

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I have to agree with Fai. This isn't a knock on the original series because when it did come out, it was done very well. Now with Brotherhood, it seems the effort to keep it closer to the manga is tighter (with some liberties) and the artwork is better. Be that technologically or just this group of animators are more skilled. The blind would say otherwise.

My only fear is that the animation quality will start to suffer as the series progresses like it has with Naruto and Bleach.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

Oct 12, 2009 10:06 PM
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Feb 2, 2010 2:02 AM
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Awww, poor Al! :( But it is a little annoying how quickly he believed it. Is there anyone here who would believe a crazed sociopathic mass murderer trying to weaken you in battle over your own brother? D:

So this must be how this episode actually transpired in the manga?

It was so cute how affronted Al was when Barry assumed that he was a criminal ^_^

Very enjoyable :)

Apr 4, 2010 11:09 AM

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Nice episode but nothing interesting happened. Except for that one guy at the end. I wonder who he is and if he will soon be joining them in a fight.

But it is also in times like these that I want to watch the subs but for now I'll stick with the dub.
Apr 4, 2010 11:58 AM
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I can see how someone might prefer the art itself from the first sereies to this as it had a darker tone and more detail in some cases, but to say the animation as a whole is better is simply not true. FMAB consistently has the most fluid and best animated action sequences of any anime I've ever seen. To prefer the art from the previous is fine but the animation from this series simply outclasses it. And it gets better as time goes on.
Apr 17, 2010 2:29 PM

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I thought that the scene where Barry reacted to Al's remarks was funnier in the original. But overall, good episode.
Apr 18, 2010 12:50 PM
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Well, it looks like the post-credits scenes aren't going to be dubbed, or at least they won't be shown on Adult Swim. Bummer, I was hoping they'd move them to before the credits ...
May 19, 2010 1:26 AM

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Good episode.

I don't know why there's such a debate about the quality of animation...
Jul 3, 2010 2:52 PM

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Wow such an intense episode. Anyways about the fight, how the fuck did Ed do that Scar-like technique to that Slicer guy? Did he just come up with it during that time? Wow lol. ALSO WHY THE FUCK THOSE TWO SEXY GIRLS DIDN'T KILL EDWARD? WTF MAN THEY GOT A PLAN I'M TELLING YOU.

Okay so this drama between Alan Ed better be resolved quickly since I don't know Al to be lonely. He just can't focus on battles when he's thinking about wheter or not he's human or not. Of course man that Barry guy was just trying to distract you!

Soo another guy showed up and judging by the looks of it, he seems to be strong too, lol.
Jul 3, 2010 4:58 PM
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1) Alchemy consists of three steps: Understanding (that is, figuring out what X is made of); deconstructing (breaking X down to its base components); and reconstructing (putting X's base components together in such a way as to form Y instead of X). Most of the time, all three steps happen so quickly that we don't see the division between steps at all.

Scar, however, knows how to do the first two steps, but not the third. So he can break things apart, but can't put them back together again in any meaningful way. That's why all of his attacks involve something exploding, or similar.

Ed figured this out during the fight, and decided to do the same - he did the first two steps, stopping short of the third. It's not a "special ability" that Scar has, he just doesn't fully understand Alchemy so he stops short of the full 3-step process.

2) Envy isn't a girl. At least, I don't think so. Then again, Envy can transform him/herself into anything, so I guess gender is kinda meaningless.

3) They didn't kill Ed because they need him alive. For what? You'll learn as the series progresses ...
Jul 8, 2010 10:33 PM

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That reaction Barry had when he realized Al was just a soul affixed in an empty armor.
Yet telling such mean things to Alphonse, Al isn't a doll, but if you think about it the way Al was thinking, I guess you might have doubted as well...

I wonder where Scar is, I never really got to like him so far.

Winry really shouldn't have forgotten that screw ugh..
Aug 14, 2010 11:35 PM

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What annoys me is why didn't Edward use alchemy earlier in his fight with #48? He could have saved himself a lot of trouble...
Sep 8, 2010 8:41 AM

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Envy was great in this episode
Dec 10, 2010 6:32 AM

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I wonder how things would've turned out if that screw wasn't missing x.x..
I swear the episode was over a few moments after it started XD
Dec 22, 2010 3:29 AM

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great episode, i dont watch the first anime adaptation but this is great
Mar 15, 2011 7:14 PM

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Hm it was better than what i thought

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Apr 3, 2011 8:47 AM

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Good Episode, I hate the part where Al questions whether he's an human or not though.
May 2, 2011 7:14 AM

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"Hurry up and get married." LOL.

Barry's reaction to Al's body was hilarious. =)) Win.
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Jun 20, 2011 2:42 AM

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lanachan said:
"Hurry up and get married." LOL.

Barry's reaction to Al's body was hilarious. =)) Win.


Haha.. Same here. LMAO

Next ep we're seeing Winry again.
Jul 2, 2011 10:56 AM

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Hughes finally talked about his family, I almost thought(sadly) that we won't see this in Brotherhood. Anyway, most of the episode wasn't different in any way than the original, except that it was rushed. And then - it ended in completely different way. I really start to wonder where is the story heading to now =\
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XxAlicexX said:
That reaction Barry had when he realized Al was just a soul affixed in an empty armor.
That was just priceless xD

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Hughes finally talked about his family, I almost thought(sadly) that we won't see this in Brotherhood.
He had already talked about it --''

Anyway, I loved the fights in this episode. Also, Ed is supposed to be a sacrifice? Interesting... I wonder what their plan is...
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I love the little bit of comedy they have in this anime. xD

Hm, I'm also curious when they will start adding new content. Looking forward to it! :D
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