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It's not only about who you chose as an antagonist, it's also how you portray them.

Yep, it would probably be possible to describe antagonists as very nice and peaceloving guys that others
has to defend against because of their ill will towards them..but I really don't know how.

If you do, try to describe some of history's antagonists that way.

He probably wants antagonist to defeat the protags until they power up by the power of friendship by the last minute and win because the antagonist didn't finish them off quickly :D

edit someone did say that he could mistake the HBE in code Geas as France even though it had the word Britannia :heh but he couldn't mistake the GAA as China because he feels like it :)

But why do they think those grunts are Chinese?They could be Koreans or Vietnamese since I don't think the GAA will send their own people in the front lines as cannon fodder.I bet the tactical squad and leaders (and Lu) are the only Chinese in Yokohama :p

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wrenchbread said:

Because tu quoque is a shitty argument and doesn't invalidate that Mahouka is a racist and xenophobic work on par with the Turner Diaries and does basically everything but outright say that Chinese/Koreans are dangerous scum trying to undermine YAMATO DAMASHII.

I think kuraiken is speaking out of his ass, fwiw. I mean really? Just registered to say that? I wonder whose alt is that.

No alt here, but thanks for your productive and otherwise discussion-advancing comments. "Mahouka is blablabla", is not an argument, it's a claim. Provide actual evidence that cannot be linked to narrative constrictions where chinese are portrayed as 1. subhuman, 2. deserve being killed for who they are, not what they do, 3. are portrayed as simply evil and as a singular entity where nationality and not attitude and personality determines who someone is.
Unless you can do that, there's only one person talking out of his ass. Bet you wouldn't hit it on three guesses.

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It's not only about who you chose as an antagonist, it's also how you portray them.

Exactly. In this case, we have a portayal only limited to the people who are actively appearing in the story. Since it focuses on the attack, we don't have any insight into how chinese live their daily life, simply because it's beyond the scope of the narrative. But we have the guy at the embassy, who is chinese and shows that he 1. prevents that spy girl from being killed and instead only removes her memory of him, and 2. is clever enough to surrender the other attackers and navigate himself into a politically more beneficient position.
The actual leader of the group is not very impressive, but for what Lu Gonghu is (a brawler and combat guy, not a thinker) he is fairly powerful and shown as capeable to deal with multiple highly capeable japanese magicians. It's only through Shiba in the first fight, and the sheer number superiority in the second, that he's brought down.

One of the things that is in particular interesting abour Mahouka is how very often, the show hints to the greater complexity that cannot be portrayed in the scope of the series. We already see the internal differences in the japanese society and how they are willing to react with devastating measures. (Destroying a fleet in the harbor and thus parts of that harbor.

The main reason I see for this perception of anti-chinese sentiments is that the chinese are the enemies and are portrayed from the perspective established throughout the series as mainly aggressive since that's where they affect the story. Add to this the actual and real warcrimes against china and the japanese national mentality that is so staggeringly similar to the american, and one can from that point of view perceive the show as anti-chinese. That does not, however, mean that the show actually portrays the chinese in a racist, derogatory manner or even remotely intends to do so.

Any action and behaviour can be linked simply to the narrative and the limitations of story-telling and that any narrative is by nature highly selective in order to remain a narrative, e.g. any "anti-chinese" sentiments you might perceive can be found in a great number of other products that would not encourage this subjective perspective since it lacks the relative historic context. So in a nutshell, in this case you let the context you specifically select determine your perception of the anime.

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kuraiken said:
No alt here, but thanks for your productive and otherwise discussion-advancing comments.

You're very welcome. As far as I'm concerned, you haven't advanced the discussion at all because I was here since day 1 talking about this. In this context, you, being the newbie, are spouting the same shit the other apologists have been saying in defense of this pulp fiction since the airing of this show. Things I've systematically demolished*. darkrepearix is still using strawmen and false equivalences, Takuan_Soho went to join the dark side, etc. We occasionally get crazies coming in thinking they can absolve Mahouka of its blatant display of 1940s nationalism and xenophobia. So thank you for your contribution.

*Your quote here: Any action and behaviour can be linked simply to the narrative and the limitations of story-telling

I've brought this up every single time when people say "oh it's because the story calls for it." I ask you, who wrote the story? The author, correct? Why did the author choose to write his story this way? Why these certain design choices? These things aren't made in a vacuum and nor should be analyzed in one.

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According to some people Mahouka has to outright say "All non-Japanese are scum" instead of heavily implying it, to be racist.

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You're very welcome. As far as I'm concerned, you haven't advanced the discussion at all because I was here since day 1 talking about this. In this context, you, being the newbie, are spouting the same shit the other apologists have been saying in defense of this pulp fiction since the airing of this show. Things I've systematically demolished*. darkrepearix is still using strawmen and false equivalences, Takuan_Soho went to join the dark side, etc. We occasionally get crazies coming in thinking they can absolve Mahouka of its blatant display of 1940s nationalism and xenophobia. So thank you for your contribution.

Oh my, what alt-ercation is this? Either you're suffering from the accuse-others-of-your-own-actions-syndrom and posted as an alt, or you refer to posts outside of this threat because your response to my post is the first time you posted in this thread. And if you're not capeable of providing any arguments but expect me to search through other threats for your blathering, then that's no issue of mine. It simply shows you're unable to state coherent arguments and try to build your comments on a void of unbacked claims that, ultimately, what you, oh poster of the first hour, perceive as truth *must* be universal truth and requires no argument. If so, that's not something I would willingly meddle in, you don't need a layman's hand but professional care.

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*Your quote here: Any action and behaviour can be linked simply to the narrative and the limitations of story-telling

I've brought this up every single time when people say "oh it's because the story calls for it." I ask you, who wrote the story? The author, correct? Why did the author choose to write his story this way? Why these certain design choices? These things aren't made in a vacuum and nor should be analyzed in one.

You're still not bringing up anything valid or of interest. That question is irrelevant as long as you cannot provide evidence that suggests that racial bias is implied or stated. That's what I'm waiting for. A clear: "See how in this scene, it's clearly biased" so I have something to consider.

The question that you ask is firstly irrelevant because it is build on the premise that the story as it is *does* imply or state racist ideas (which means you cannot hold the authors responsible for *your* personal subjective perspective, unless you first establish that it *does* do so by providing proof) and secondly because design choices, as I mentioned earlier, are sometimes born out of necessity and cannot escape context (both positive context that helps to establish something as well as negative context that can disturb or prevent the audience from accurately locating a concept in the larger context). You need an antagonist and as much as you'd like to be able to choose whatever you wish, if you want to portray a story where a nation is assaulted by a foreign nation, you simply *need* a foreign nation that does the assaulting. And to do so you orient yourself on the known concepts and contexts of actual reality if it's a fictional scenario that lets itself be inspired by real and existing concepts. (E.g. Japan in Mahouka is *not* Japan. It is entirely fictional.)

So your question that you seem to consider as so clever, when broken down, states nothing but: "Oh, I'm so right that they're racist, and why are they racist? Because the author tells the story, he chose to design it that way and created the choices! It's all him, so he either wanted to do it, or secretly his evil inner racist ideals escaped into his fictional creation!"

Which is based on nothing but premises ("I'm right anyway, so all I have to do is point at things and claim they say that I'm right anyway, because I'm right anway"), and thus is entirely pointless and even more so exhibits a fanatical and self-righteous attitude that does not, for a second, intend to question whether the idea it's so fanatically defending might not be a bit more biased and subjective than it believed.

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My first question is relevant for all analysis of literature and media. It's not just used for accusations of... shall we say, less politically correct representations of real life people. Please look up Doylist vs Watsonian perspectives. I found that Mahouka apologists largely ignore the Doylist perspective exclusively for the Watsonian perspective. That the author is separate from his own work. Which I don't find true at all because the ideas we hold and mold into a creation is a cumulation of our life experiences. To discount it means you're actively limiting the scope of the interpretation.

The moment you bring up necessity is where your argument falls flat. No one needed to write Mahouka this way. No one needed to write Mahouka period. The author had a choice (as does every creator in the world) and in this case he made extremely questionable ones. "We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us." I gave him the benefit of the doubt but that was very hurriedly dashed away. Maybe you heard of a little something called Hanlon's razor: "Don't assume malice when stupidity is an adequate explanation. At least, not the first time" and its corollary, "any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." Except it's not just "a first time." Mahouka repeatedly shows us questionable dialogue insinuating the author himself might have some deep-seated xenophobia. If you want proof from the novels in the form of "________ is _________", then you won't be able to find anything. Though that's a stupid goalpost to aim for because the text does absolutely everything but say outright, "FUCK THE FOREIGN DEVILS."

How do you explain this?:

Jumanji: “Is there anything about the current situation that feels off to you?”
Hanzo: “There seems to be too many foreigners around here now.”
Jumanji: “You think so, too, Hattori?”
Hanzo: “Yes.”
Jumanji: “What about you, Kirihara?”
Takeaki: “Yes, sir. Compared to the convention center, the atmosphere in the city seems more strangely menacing.”

Was there a need for such xenophobic sentiments?

And to do so you orient yourself on the known concepts and contexts of actual reality if it's a fictional scenario that lets itself be inspired by real and existing concepts. (E.g. Japan in Mahouka is *not* Japan. It is entirely fictional.)

It's either inspired or entirely fictional. Please pick one. Japan in Mahouka is clearly based on Japan IRL. At which case it's not entirely fictional. Otherwise why call it Japan? What's with Juumonji's YAMATO DAMASHII bullshit?

I find it baffling that people are trying their hardest to deny this like some folks do with climate change. Goddamn. It's like arguing with hardcore religious folks on the train here. No one wins.

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darkreaperix said:

skudoops said:

It's not only about who you chose as an antagonist, it's also how you portray them.

80% of American media (be it movies,comics,tv shows,etc) that uses foreigners as an antagonist portrays then as incompetent evil bastards,does that make American authors/writers racists?I don't think so.Just think about it.You may be reading to much about it.As I pinted out already further LN's doesn't depict the Japanese as good people too,does that make the author unpatriotic?Nope.But you'll probably just ignore this post and keep on forcing that it's racists so anyway.... I'll just keep on laughing on people that treats fiction as reality :heh

Using a foreigner as an antagonist is different than using a foreign nation as one. There are many instances of propaganda in american media and I wouldn't defend them either. That doesn't mean that I should let Mahouka off the hook.

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someone did say that he could mistake the HBE in code Geas as France even though it had the word Britannia :heh but he couldn't mistake the GAA as China because he feels like it :)

But why do they think those grunts are Chinese?They could be Koreans or Vietnamese since I don't think the GAA will send their own people in the front lines as cannon fodder.I bet the tactical squad and leaders (and Lu) are the only Chinese in Yokohama :p

You missed the whole Britannia point... firstly Britannia is in America, secondly the monarchy system, colours and mannerisms do not imitate any specific culture or country. This is why I said it could be based on france and you couldn't prove me wrong.

Also the reason the GAA is attributed to chinese is because, just maybe, EVERYONE HAS CHINESE NAMES? Even with the terrorist they tried their best to make it abundantly clear that they were CHINESE in particular. Just look at the decorations for the building the terrorist were in..

konatachan80 said:

skudoops said:

It's not only about who you chose as an antagonist, it's also how you portray them.

Yep, it would probably be possible to describe antagonists as very nice and peaceloving guys that others
has to defend against because of their ill will towards them..but I really don't know how.

If you do, try to describe some of history's antagonists that way.
Based on the description, do they still appear to be antagonists?

You don't have to describe the antagonist as peace loving at all, you can however not making them out to be hopelessly incompetent lunatics. Showing the political angle to both sides isn't very difficult to do. Here's an easy scenario for mahouka...

GAA intelligence forces report that Japanese Magician techniques are even greater than anticipated and rapidly advancing. Waiting any longer will allow Japan to become the dominant power in the region and allow them to conquer the GAA.

GAA launches operation to seize japanese magical knowledge in order to level the playing field.

GAA fails due to quick Japanese response.

What does this sound like? Well it sounds like the entire last arc, but guess what? Just adding some background to the motivations of the GAA is enough to keep the Chinese as an antagonist without DEMONIZING them. The aggressive weaponization of magic taken by the Japanese can be seen as an act of or preparation for war which may have called for a preemptive strike by the GAA.

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wrenchbread said:

How do you explain this?:

Jumanji: “Is there anything about the current situation that feels off to you?”
Hanzo: “There seems to be too many foreigners around here now.”
Jumanji: “You think so, too, Hattori?”
Hanzo: “Yes.”
Jumanji: “What about you, Kirihara?”
Takeaki: “Yes, sir. Compared to the convention center, the atmosphere in the city seems more strangely menacing.”

Was there a need for such xenophobic sentiments?

Wasn't that when they were discussing the potential risks involved with the Magic Thesis Competition? If I recall correctly it was fairly established that this was a fair between the high schools of Japan and thus an increase in foreign presence as the competition approaches would be suspicious. They also made it clear that various groups often try to steal various projects, but they were unaware that this one was here for Tatsuya's relic.

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Europe used to have (and even some still have) monarchys right,I would have think that it wasn't referring to Britain and maybe France or Spain if the name is like the Holy European Empire but it does have the Britannia name in it....

And it has been stated that the GAA is comprised of Korea and other asian countries so author is also racist against Koreans,Vietnamese,Singaporeans? :heh

In Enrollment arc when Tatsuya and co easily dispatched Blatche which is comprised of Japanese,he was unpatriotic at that time,and decided to be racists during Yokohama? :heh

Anyway,in my opinion I don't think the author is racist or whatever and that the story is so far off from RL.And it isn't as bad as America vs the Yellow menace from 70's-80's American media or Russia is evil from 90's media :)

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According to some people Mahouka has to outright say "All non-Japanese are scum" instead of heavily implying it, to be racist.

This statement is so ignorant that I don't even know where to begin. The show never states in any way that other nationalities are scum. They are at war with the GAA, and it makes sense in the narrative that GAA affilitated military and criminal orginizations are introductionary antagonists as they are by far the closest enemy, not to metion, THEY ARE AT WAR. The show goes out of it's way to not use generalization and racism apart from the racism experienced by the magic community... I could go on and on but I can't be arsed.

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skudoops said:
You don't have to describe the antagonist as peace loving at all, you can however not making them out to be hopelessly incompetent lunatics. Showing the political angle to both sides isn't very difficult to do. Here's an easy scenario for mahouka...

GAA intelligence forces report that Japanese Magician techniques are even greater than anticipated and rapidly advancing. Waiting any longer will allow Japan to become the dominant power in the region and allow them to conquer the GAA.

GAA launches operation to seize japanese magical knowledge in order to level the playing field.

GAA fails due to quick Japanese response.

What does this sound like? Well it sounds like the entire last arc, but guess what? Just adding some background to the motivations of the GAA is enough to keep the Chinese as an antagonist without DEMONIZING them. The aggressive weaponization of magic taken by the Japanese can be seen as an act of or preparation for war which may have called for a preemptive strike by the GAA.

You DO know that they've been at war with them for 3 years?
It was said in the LN just before the last attack (spoiler in post #26)
and: "Forget a peace treaty, there wasn't even a ceasefire negotiated between our country and the Great Asian Alliance."

It looks like their (apparent) plan wasn't really that bad, but what ruined it the most was failing to get
hostages. If they managed to get that, and succeeded in silencing the opposition, then (almost)
nobody outside would've known what was happening, which also would've lessened any potential
resistance (and would have avoided military). Still, they had those robots etc as a reserve just in case.

konatachan80Sep 29, 2014 3:21 AM

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You also forgot to mention since you said you did read some LN's that the author doesn't also show the Japanese in a good light,with their inhumane experiments,easily swayed to betray their nation,backstabbing each other for their own gain.Heck even the Yotsuba aren't shown as the good guys,like how do you pass guardian training?You come out alive,the battles were to the death,if you didn't come out alive means you aren't good enough to guard a Yotsuba.Tatusya was deemed inferior so he was just cast away after the experiment on him failed to give him strong normal magics as a servant to his sister.Erika's father had an affair even thought his wife was on her death bed and just gave her a cold shoulder after she was born and only allowed her to use the Chiba surname when she applied for First High,that made even Nao hate their father.Even the head of the Saegusa isn't shown to be good compared to his kind daughter,Mayumi,using students as cattle to the parasite experiments and wouldn't give a f@ck if some died or lose their future as magicians.I could go on and on......but it might post as a counter argument to your own argument so.....

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ReaperCreeper said:
According to some people Mahouka has to outright say "All non-Japanese are scum" instead of heavily implying it, to be racist.

This statement is so ignorant that I don't even know where to begin. The show never states in any way that other nationalities are scum. They are at war with the GAA, and it makes sense in the narrative that GAA affilitated military and criminal orginizations are introductionary antagonists as they are by far the closest enemy, not to metion, THEY ARE AT WAR. The show goes out of it's way to not use generalization and racism apart from the racism experienced by the magic community... I could go on and on but I can't be arsed.

>Everyone who isn't Japanese portrayed as cartoonishly evil.
>Mahouka fans:It's not racist because they're at war!

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Justicar said:

This statement is so ignorant that I don't even know where to begin. The show never states in any way that other nationalities are scum. They are at war with the GAA, and it makes sense in the narrative that GAA affilitated military and criminal orginizations are introductionary antagonists as they are by far the closest enemy, not to metion, THEY ARE AT WAR. The show goes out of it's way to not use generalization and racism apart from the racism experienced by the magic community... I could go on and on but I can't be arsed.

>Everyone who isn't Japanese portrayed as cartoonishly evil.
>Mahouka fans:It's not racist because they're at war!

Read my post above you,Japanese are also portrayed as cartoonishly evil :)

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ReaperCreeper said:

>Everyone who isn't Japanese portrayed as cartoonishly evil.
>Mahouka fans:It's not racist because they're at war!

Read my post above you,Japanese are also portrayed as cartoonishly evil :)

Not the entire Japanese population.

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darkreaperix said:

Read my post above you,Japanese are also portrayed as cartoonishly evil :)

Not the entire Japanese population.

The Chinese or mainland Asian population is not represented, I don't get what you're trying to prove.

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Not the entire Japanese population.

Unless you can give me a quote from the anime or LN that the entire Chinese population are portrayed as cartoonishly evil.I'll won't stop laughing at you :heh

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darkreaperix said:

ReaperCreeper said:
Not the entire Japanese population.

Unless you can give me a quote from the anime or LN that the entire Chinese population are portrayed as cartoonishly evil.I'll won't stop laughing at you :heh

Justicar said:
The Chinese or mainland Asian population is not represented, I don't get what you're trying to prove.

I guess the use of implications are lost on you.

Hey I've got an idea why don't you guys defend Momotaro - Divine Soldiers of the Sea next?

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darkreaperix said:

Unless you can give me a quote from the anime or LN that the entire Chinese population are portrayed as cartoonishly evil.I'll won't stop laughing at you :heh

Justicar said:
The Chinese or mainland Asian population is not represented, I don't get what you're trying to prove.

I guess the use of implications are lost on you.

Hey I've got an idea why don't you guys defend Momotaro - Divine Soldiers of the Sea next?

It's not that your implications are lost on us, it's that they are based on inaccturate facts or gravely overanalyzes something to the point of complete fabrication.

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darkreaperix said:

Unless you can give me a quote from the anime or LN that the entire Chinese population are portrayed as cartoonishly evil.I'll won't stop laughing at you :heh

Justicar said:
The Chinese or mainland Asian population is not represented, I don't get what you're trying to prove.

I guess the use of implications are lost on you.

Hey I've got an idea why don't you guys defend Momotaro - Divine Soldiers of the Sea next?

Couldn't find one right?'nuff said :p

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Couldn't find one right?'nuff said :p

More like you ignore any evidence given and then proceed to scream that you're right.

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darkreaperix said:
Couldn't find one right?'nuff said :p

More like you ignore any evidence given and then proceed to scream that you're right.

Where is the evidence that the entire (you said entire,not just the army or government) Chinese population are portrayed as evil?Heck even Zhou saved Chiaki even though he could just have let Lu kill her,and not go to that trouble of hypnotising her to forget about the ordeal,why?Because even though he was using her he didn't want her dead?To die that young?I don't even recall that it was stated that the Chinese or GAA government were cartoonishly evil.

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darkreaperix said:
Couldn't find one right?'nuff said :p

More like you ignore any evidence given and then proceed to scream that you're right.

A lack of proof against something is not evidence of it's existance, either to the existance of God or the precense of racism. The population is not represented and the Chinese aren't generalized to be bad people. Unless you want to argue that one bad person or organization is representative of their nation or mankind as a whole you have no valid argument.

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I wouldn't say that this is a propaganda unless if there was a single kind/trustworthy Chinese in the story because all the Chinese that were portrayed in the anime were "bad"

I also share same view. If GAA/Chinese is only bad guy for once,I wouldn't really bother about it. One's an incident,two's a coincidence,three's a pattern. There is an obvious pattern where every time GAA/Chinese enter the pictures, they are always given the bad guy role which I called racism. Unless,in the future of the anime/novel,there is someone trustworthy from GAA/Chinese to break this pattern/trend.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 6:27 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Zapredon said:

trabeus1 said:
I wouldn't say that this is a propaganda unless if there was a single kind/trustworthy Chinese in the story because all the Chinese that were portrayed in the anime were "bad"

I also share same view. Every time GAA/Chinese enter the pictures, they are always given the bad guy role.

Wouldn't it be kind of hard to show them as very nice guys in this setting?

In a state of war where GAA actively tries to steal tech and kill people (although that is to be
expected in a war) Not to mention, they found a sorcery booster (or whatever it was called) on site,
so it isn't that unlikely that they cooperated with NHD to some degree, at least at some point.

Many of you seem to demand that they brand themselves as scum before having antagonists
of another nationality. Wow, tell Hollywood the same.

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konatachan80 said:

Zapredon said:

I also share same view. Every time GAA/Chinese enter the pictures, they are always given the bad guy role.

Wouldn't it be kind of hard to show them as very nice guys in this setting?

In a state of war where GAA actively tries to steal tech and kill people..
Not to mention, they found a sorcery booster (or whatever it was called) on site, so it isn't that
unlikely that they cooperated with NHD to some degree, at least at some point.

I like it how the author create a setting where GAA/Chinese must and have to be portrayed as bad guys every time.

I've seen plenty of war anime but unlike Mahouka, other anime conflict on both sides are being portrayed equally. Like in Gundam,not all spacenoid and earthlings or coordinators and natural that appear in the show are untrustworthy person. So no excuse for Mahouka here.

If Mahouka author can't do that,he is either racist towards Chinese or he's just not creative enough. This is also why if there is season 2,I will watch it to see how far his creativity goes. Can Mahouka author prove me wrong? I hope so.

Many of you seem to demand that they brand themselves as scum before having antagonists
of another nationality. Wow, tell Hollywood the same.

Duh..nobody say that. Or at least,I didn't.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 6:40 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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skudoops said:

What does this sound like? Well it sounds like the entire last arc, but guess what? Just adding some background to the motivations of the GAA is enough to keep the Chinese as an antagonist without DEMONIZING them. The aggressive weaponization of magic taken by the Japanese can be seen as an act of or preparation for war which may have called for a preemptive strike by the GAA.

EXACTLY! In an anime where the setting is about war or conflict between two countries,background from both countries are important. Conflict on both sides need to be portrayed equally. Not only it would sound less racist/propagandat, it would also make a better story telling. That is why I said it before,GAA has been uninteresting and boring villain. Personally,I would still prefer it if there are trustworthy guy from the GAA/Chinese.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 6:52 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Wouldn't it be kind of hard to show them as very nice guys in this setting?

In a state of war where GAA actively tries to steal tech and kill people..
Not to mention, they found a sorcery booster (or whatever it was called) on site, so it isn't that
unlikely that they cooperated with NHD to some degree, at least at some point.

I like it how the author create a setting where GAA/Chinese must and have to be portrayed as bad guys every time.

I've seen plenty of war anime but unlike Mahouka, other anime conflict on both sides are being portrayed equally. Like in Gundam,not all spacenoid and earthlings or coordinators and natural that appear in the show are untrustworthy person. So no excuse for Mahouka here.

If Mahouka author can't do that,he is either racist towards Chinese or he's just not creative enough. This is also why if there is season 2,I will watch it to see how far his creativity goes. Can Mahouka author prove me wrong? I hope so.

Many of you seem to demand that they brand themselves as scum before having antagonists
of another nationality. Wow, tell Hollywood the same.

Duh..nobody say that. Or at least,I didn't.

So by your logic I'm racist against all muslims for actively loathing terrorists, some that happens to be muslims... Or at least until I caveat that muslim terrorists are not representative of all muslims world wide and that I have no problem with nice people, including muslims...

My previous statement would then be racist, by your idiotic logic, because I didn't include every beleif system, race, haircolour and sexual orientation so I must be a gay hating anarchistic uninclusive satan worshipper...

In Mahouka we see military and criminal elements that are portrayed in a certain way, they only happen to be Chinese but in no way does the material imply that they are represetative of their nation or the normal civilians of said nation... In fact they are portrayed as extremist elements. It does not follow that Mahouka is racist or propagating some sort of anti-Chinese agenda.

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So by your logic I'm racist against all muslims for actively loathing terrorists, some that happens to be muslims... Or at least until I caveat that muslim terrorists are not representative of all muslims world wide and that I have no problem with nice people, including muslims...

My previous statement would then be racist, by your idiotic logic, because I didn't include every beleif system, race, haircolour and sexual orientation so I must be a gay hating anachistic uninclusive satan worshipper...

If you hate terrorists but do not hate Muslim,then no,your are not racist in my book.

In Mahouka we see military and criminal elements that are portrayed in a certain way, they only happen to be Chinese but in no way does the material imply that they are represetative of their nation or the normal civilians of said nation... In fact they are portrayed as extremist elements. It does not follow that Mahouka is racist or propagating some sort of anti-Chinese agenda.

Sorry,as long as Chinese keep on appear as bad guys every single time they have screen time,it still racist in my book. As I mention before, one's an incident,two a coincidence,three's a pattern. There is an obvious pattern where every single time GAA/Chinese appear in the shows,they are always the bad guys.

If you think Mahouka is not racist,then go ahead. That's your opinion. This is a very subjective topic(for both you and me) and it really depend on each individual opinion. We are not talking about historical fact or science and physics. I am also not going to waste my time to convince you that Mahouka is racist because....

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 7:25 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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@Zapredon
I wasn't aware that logic didn't apply, I'll just leave you to your subjective unchangeable views and your hatemongering.

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@Zapredon
I wasn't aware that logic didn't apply, I'll just leave you to your subjective unchangeable views and your hatemongering.

Same goes for you.

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Haha I <3 this thread. It's seriously attracting every hater to unite and join, I only miss one user here that writes genius comments :( Some has valid arguments, but the majority of the arguments that are listed is pretty stupid, because they are too much focussed in hating certain animes and in this case Mahouka and only look at it from one perspective.

Well for the main topic, is there propaganda in this anime, yes there is. It has propaganda elements, because we're looking from the Japanese/Tatsuya perspective, meaning that only bad guys will be portrayed from other countries, while Japan is being portrayed as having dumb and stupid one, while also having innocent and smart one. We don't see any innocent one from the other countries, because Tatsuya isn't living in China. It's the same as what happend to Germany in WW through history. I don't think I need to explain the reason why, should I? Mahouka has the same settings, but it only takes place in Japan, instead of Germany.

But is this propaganda?? I don't think so, since the author is clearly stating that the Japanese isn't any better than the enemies at all.
As a matter of fact, people with "not a hate mindset" would know before the anime ended that the Japanese are just as worse as how the bad guys are portrayed in the Mahouka universe, but the Japanese that lives in the Mahouka universe thinks it's all normal. Students that thinks that killing is normal, racism in a school is normal, students that wants to rape other students(Miki and Mizuki) if the former's circumstances didn't change is normal, people that are experimenting the innocent is normal, people that uses students(Tatsuya) as a weapon, instead as a fellow person is normal(a nice example is using Tatsuya as a restoration device during the war, while not caring about Tatsuya's suffering(anime portrayed Tatsuya's expressions very badly though, I never thought that Tatsuya was suffering untill Miyuki explained it..) and many more that I can list.

Haters often forgets these(I'm not saying that the one who started this thread is a hater, but am pointing towards the many ridiculous one sided perspective claims from a handfull and also the same users that writes the same thing in many other threads of this forum.

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I've seen plenty of war anime but unlike Mahouka, other anime conflict on both sides are being portrayed equally. Like in Gundam,not all spacenoid and earthlings or coordinators and natural that appear in the show are untrustworthy person. So no excuse for Mahouka here.

Forget to mention even in Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199,the alien who had war with human being are being portray positively better than the GAA/Chinese. Even towards alien, no racist bias standard in Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199. Alien in Uchuu Senkan Yamato>Chinese in Mahouka.

Aside from Gundam, Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199 also did a good job portraying conflict on both side equally.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 7:57 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Haha I <3 this thread. It's seriously attracting every hater to unite and join, I only miss one user here that writes genius comments :( Some has valid arguments, but the majority of the arguments that are listed is pretty stupid, because they are too much focussed in hating certain animes and in this case Mahouka and only look at it from one perspective.

Well for the main topic, is there propaganda in this anime, yes there is. It has propaganda elements, because we're looking from the Japanese/Tatsuya perspective, meaning that only bad guys will be portrayed from other countries, while Japan is being portrayed as having dumb and stupid one, while also having innocent and smart one. We don't see any innocent one from the other countries, because Tatsuya isn't living in China. It's the same as what happend to Germany in WW through history. I don't think I need to explain the reason why, should I? Mahouka has the same settings, but it only takes place in Japan, instead of Germany.

But is this propaganda?? I don't think so, since the author is clearly stating that the Japanese isn't any better than the enemies at all.
As a matter of fact, people with "not a hate mindset" would know before the anime ended that the Japanese are just as worse as how the bad guys are portrayed in the Mahouka universe, but the Japanese that lives in the Mahouka universe thinks it's all normal. Students that thinks that killing is normal, racism in a school is normal, students that wants to rape other students(Miki and Mizuki) if the former's circumstances didn't change is normal, people that are experimenting the innocent is normal, people that uses students(Tatsuya) as a weapon, instead as a fellow person is normal(a nice example is using Tatsuya as a restoration device during the war, while not caring about Tatsuya's suffering(anime portrayed Tatsuya's expressions very badly though, I never thought that Tatsuya was suffering untill Miyuki explained it..) and many more that I can list.

Haters often forgets these(I'm not saying that the one who started this thread is a hater, but am pointing towards the many ridiculous one sided perspective claims from a handfull and also the same users that writes the same thing in many other threads of this forum.

Exactly how I feel, though I'm bad at expressing myself through written words. Thank you for putting it in such a comprehensible way.

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Zapredon said:

I've seen plenty of war anime but unlike Mahouka, other anime conflict on both sides are being portrayed equally. Like in Gundam,not all spacenoid and earthlings or coordinators and natural that appear in the show are untrustworthy person. So no excuse for Mahouka here.

Forget to mention even in Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199,the alien who had war with humanity is being portray positively better than the GAA/Chinese.

First of all, this anime is focussing on Tatsuya and the cast that are connected to Tatsuya.... So your quoted comment isn't valid and a weak excuse, since there is no relevant to show innocent or good sides from the enemies, because Tatsuya doesn't care about that as a character. He has no goal to make Japan a strong country or make Japan rise above other country nor is he interested in other countries. He only focuss on the safety of Miyuki. So tell me, why would it be needed to be shown? What relevance does that add to the story??? I believe that the anime has portrayed already that Japan itself is as bad as the vother countries. But I believe you don't need to answer it, since you're one of those guys that I can't take serious with. Seriously, simply looking at your signature gives other people already an expression that they can't take you seriously......
Tatsuya being a ripp off of Hei?? Come on, are you serious???
Alucard OPness > Tatsuya OPness must really be incl. in your signature?? Really??

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Exactly how I feel, though I'm bad at expressing myself through written words. Thank you for putting it in such a comprehensible way.

Haha, glad that we share the same opinion about this matter :)

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Zapredon said:

Forget to mention even in Uchuu Senkan Yamato 2199,the alien who had war with humanity is being portray positively better than the GAA/Chinese.

First of all, this anime is focussing on Tatsuya and the cast that are connected to Tatsuya.... So your quoted comment isn't valid and a weak excuse, since there is no relevant to show innocent or good sides from the enemies, because Tatsuya doesn't care about that as a character. He has no goal to make Japan a strong country or make Japan rise above other country nor is he interested in other countries. He only focuss on the safety of Miyuki. So tell me, why would it be needed to be shown? What relevance does that add to the story??? I believe that the anime has portrayed already that Japan itself is as bad as the vother countries. But I believe you don't need to answer it, since you're one of those guys that I can't take serious with. Seriously, simply looking at your signature gives other people already an expression that they can't take you seriously......
Tatsuya being a ripp off of Hei?? Come on, are you serious???
Alucard OPness > Tatsuya OPness must really be incl. in your signature?? Really??

Duh...even up until now since last time,you still hasn't address my point. So if this show focusing on Tatsuya and the cast on Tatsuya,why every single time GAA/Chinese appear,they are always the bad guy?

Isn't valid or weak excuse? I brought up Uchuu and Gundam in response towards konatachan,not you.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 8:16 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Even up until now since last time,you still hasn't address why is it every single time GAA appear on the show,they are always the villain. I brought up Uchuu and Gundam in response towards konatachan,not you.

And I don't really care that you brought that up in response towards Konatachan. The fact that I want to response is already enough for you to know right? This is a forum after all.

About that GAA part. I believe that the GAA appeared 2 times now out of the 3?? Is that much to you?? And no, please don't write down any info about the LN, unless it has been animated in the anime. And please keep in mind that this is about the ANIME and not ABOUT THE LN. So any hating is meant towards the anime and NOT THE LN. And to answer your question, I believe GAA is near Japan??? But I believe that many others has explained already, but you simply can't admit it and ignore those things. So I don't see any reason to write this at all to be honest, since you will just simply disagree with me and write down the same argument over and over again. I've read alot of your comments already, so bye.

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skudoops said:
You don't have to describe the antagonist as peace loving at all, you can however not making them out to be hopelessly incompetent lunatics. Showing the political angle to both sides isn't very difficult to do. Here's an easy scenario for mahouka...

GAA intelligence forces report that Japanese Magician techniques are even greater than anticipated and rapidly advancing. Waiting any longer will allow Japan to become the dominant power in the region and allow them to conquer the GAA.

GAA launches operation to seize japanese magical knowledge in order to level the playing field.

GAA fails due to quick Japanese response.

What does this sound like? Well it sounds like the entire last arc, but guess what? Just adding some background to the motivations of the GAA is enough to keep the Chinese as an antagonist without DEMONIZING them. The aggressive weaponization of magic taken by the Japanese can be seen as an act of or preparation for war which may have called for a preemptive strike by the GAA.

You DO know that they've been at war with them for 3 years?
It was said in the LN just before the last attack (spoiler in post #26)
and: "Forget a peace treaty, there wasn't even a ceasefire negotiated between our country and the Great Asian Alliance."

That's not the point though, it also really doesn't matter what the LN says for the anime. All that needed to be done was showing the GAA or Chinese from a more respectable point of view. Throughout the entire anime that has NEVER happened.. the Chinese were invaders, thieves, terrorist and incompetent. It's so bad they can't even make chinese special forces look decent, Lu Tiger Man got beaten by inexperienced teenagers 3 times and miyuki beat the invis without him doing anything (how she reached in that room before him confuses me but that's for another time).

Let me list another set of shows where with warring nations where no sides are demonized.

-Code Geass (both of them)
-Almost every Gundam you can think of
-Magi
-Argevollen
-LOGH

Not really that difficult to give the enemy some positive or reasonable background.

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Zapredon said:

Even up until now since last time,you still hasn't address why is it every single time GAA appear on the show,they are always the villain. I brought up Uchuu and Gundam in response towards konatachan,not you.

And I don't really care that you brought that up in response towards Konatachan. The fact that I want to response is already enough for you to know right? This is a forum after all.

About that GAA part. I believe that the GAA appeared 2 times now out of the 3?? Is that much to you?? And no, please don't write down any info about the LN, unless it has been animated in the anime. And please keep in mind that this is about the ANIME and not ABOUT THE LN. So any hating is meant towards the anime and NOT THE LN. And to answer your question, I believe GAA is near Japan??? But I believe that many others has explained already, but you simply can't admit it and ignore those things. So I don't see any reason to write this at all to be honest, since you will just simply disagree with me and write down the same argument over and over again. I've read alot of your comments already, so bye.

And what does GAA being near to Japan has anything to do with making all the GAA/Chinese as villain? Isn't Japanese themselves closer towards Tatsuya? Why the need to drag down Chinese/GAA into this?

skudoops said:
That's not the point though, it also really doesn't matter what the LN says for the anime. All that needed to be done was showing the GAA or Chinese from a more respectable point of view. Throughout the entire anime that has NEVER happened.. the Chinese were invaders, thieves, terrorist and incompetent. It's so bad they can't even make chinese special forces look decent, Lu Tiger Man got beaten by inexperienced teenagers 3 times and miyuki beat the invis without him doing anything (how she reached in that room before him confuses me but that's for another time).

Let me list another set of shows where with warring nations where both sides aren't demonized.

-Code Geass (both of them)
-Almost every Gundam you can think of
-Magi
-Argevollen
-LOGH

Don't forget Uchuu Senkan Yamato. Even thought they are alien,they are not being demonized at all.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 8:28 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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That's not the point though, it also really doesn't matter what the LN says for the anime. All that needed to be done was showing the GAA or Chinese from a more respectable point of view. Throughout the entire anime that has NEVER happened.. the Chinese were invaders, thieves, terrorist and incompetent. It's so bad they can't even make chinese special forces look decent, Lu Tiger Man got beaten by inexperienced teenagers 3 times and miyuki beat the invis without him doing anything (how she reached in that room before him confuses me but that's for another time).

Let me list another set of shows where with warring nations where both sides aren't demonized.

-Code Geass (both of them)
-Almost every Gundam you can think of
-Magi
-Argevollen
-LOGH

Not really that difficult to give the enemy some positive or reasonable background.

I believe that you can't compare Mahouka with those animes. Tatsuya's interest is different than every interest of the MC in the anime you listed. It has no relevant towards Tatsuya, since Tatsuya doesn't care at all and this anime is about Tatsuya. Mahouka isn't about Japan having war with other countries. It's about a guy named Tatsuya that lost every emotions that isn't about Miyuki and the reason why that guy wants to see Miyuki safe and happy, while living in a time where there is a war. Adding a nice GAA member in GAA doesn't add anything, since the anime isn't about that.

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And what does GAA being near to Japan has anything to do with making all the GAA/Chinese as villain? Isn't Japanese themselves closer towards Tatsuya?

And what about war don't you get in this anime?? I believe that the Japan has been portrayed as the bad guys already even when the GAA attacked. I believe that some villians were Japanese too during this arc?? I believe that this discussion will never end?

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skudoops said:

That's not the point though, it also really doesn't matter what the LN says for the anime. All that needed to be done was showing the GAA or Chinese from a more respectable point of view. Throughout the entire anime that has NEVER happened.. the Chinese were invaders, thieves, terrorist and incompetent. It's so bad they can't even make chinese special forces look decent, Lu Tiger Man got beaten by inexperienced teenagers 3 times and miyuki beat the invis without him doing anything (how she reached in that room before him confuses me but that's for another time).

Let me list another set of shows where with warring nations where both sides aren't demonized.

-Code Geass (both of them)
-Almost every Gundam you can think of
-Magi
-Argevollen
-LOGH

Not really that difficult to give the enemy some positive or reasonable background.

I believe that you can't compare Mahouka with those animes. Tatsuya's interest is different than every interest of the MC in the anime you listed. It has no relevant towards Tatsuya, since Tatsuya doesn't care at all and this anime is about Tatsuya. Mahouka isn't about Japan having war with other countries. It's about a guy named Tatsuya that lost every emotions that isn't about Miyuki and the reason why that guy wants to see Miyuki safe and happy, while living in a time where there is a war. Adding a nice GAA member in GAA doesn't add anything, since the anime isn't about that.

Then why the need to include Chinese/GAA into this?

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Zapredon said:

And what does GAA being near to Japan has anything to do with making all the GAA/Chinese as villain? Isn't Japanese themselves closer towards Tatsuya?

And what about war don't you get in this anime?? I believe that the Japan has been portrayed as the bad guys already even when the GAA attacked. I believe that some villians were Japanese too during this arc?? I believe that this discussion will never end?

You are contradicting with yourself and I already predict this kind of response. If you want to use 'war setting' as excuse,then you just bring up what I told konatachan before.

If Mahouka is story about war,then conflict from both sides need to be portrayed equally like how other anime did.

If Mahouka is about Tatsuya,then there's no need to bring up GAA/Chinese into this.

Make up your mind and STOP contradict with yourself.

ZapredonSep 29, 2014 8:34 AM

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Then why the need to include Chinese/GAA into this?

Okay, this is stupid. Mahouka isn't about Japan having war with other countries, but I believe that I stated that it's about a guy named Tatsuya that lives in a timeline where there is war?? Come on, why must I write down every single thing if you won't listen or try to understand it :( I will reply base on your next comment if it's still something like these, then it was nice to have talked with you. I already am regretting to even write something in this forum, because of people like you :s

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TKMike said:

And what about war don't you get in this anime?? I believe that the Japan has been portrayed as the bad guys already even when the GAA attacked. I believe that some villians were Japanese too during this arc?? I believe that this discussion will never end?

You are contradicting with yourself and I already predict this kind of response. If you want to use 'war setting' as excuse,then you just bring up what I told konatachan before.

If Mahouka is story about war,then conflict from both sides need to be portrayed equally like how other anime did.

If Mahouka is about Tatsuya,then there's no need to bring up GAA/Chinese into this.

Make up your mind and STOP contradict with yourself.

hehe talking about contradicting XD Where does it contradict?
EDIT: You must also be a genius if you predicted this ;) Also, I believe that you've contradicted yourself many times already in this forum :D

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Zapredon said:

Then why the need to include Chinese/GAA into this?

Okay, this is stupid. Mahouka isn't about Japan having war with other countries, but I believe that I stated that it's about a guy named Tatsuya that lives in a timeline where there is war?? Come on, why must I write down every single thing if you won't listen or try to understand it :( I will reply base on your next comment if it's still something like these, then it was nice to have talked with you. I already am regretting to even write something in this forum, because of people like you :s

You are being predictable in your response. I will just copy paste post 105.

You are contradicting with yourself and I already predict this kind of response. If you want to use 'war setting' as excuse,then you just bring up what I told konatachan before.

If Mahouka is story about war,then conflict from both sides need to be portrayed equally like how other anime did.

If Mahouka is about Tatsuya,then there's no need to bring up GAA/Chinese into this.

Make up your mind and STOP contradict with yourself.

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

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Zapredon said:

You are contradicting with yourself and I already predict this kind of response. If you want to use 'war setting' as excuse,then you just bring up what I told konatachan before.

If Mahouka is story about war,then conflict from both sides need to be portrayed equally like how other anime did.

If Mahouka is about Tatsuya,then there's no need to bring up GAA/Chinese into this.

Make up your mind and STOP contradict with yourself.

hehe talking about contradicting XD Where does it contradict?

First,I address konatachan about his war setting statement. Then you said Mahouka is not story about war. The when I said if Mahouka is not story about war and there's no need to bring up GAA, now,you said Mahoula is has war setting.

But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion.

http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30

It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist.

Sep 29, 2014 8:37 AM

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Zapredon said:

TKMike said:

Okay, this is stupid. Mahouka isn't about Japan having war with other countries, but I believe that I stated that it's about a guy named Tatsuya that lives in a timeline where there is war?? Come on, why must I write down every single thing if you won't listen or try to understand it :( I will reply base on your next comment if it's still something like these, then it was nice to have talked with you. I already am regretting to even write something in this forum, because of people like you :s

You are being predictable in your response. I will just copy paste post 105.

You are contradicting with yourself and I already predict this kind of response. If you want to use 'war setting' as excuse,then you just bring up what I told konatachan before.

If Mahouka is story about war,then conflict from both sides need to be portrayed equally like how other anime did.

If Mahouka is about Tatsuya,then there's no need to bring up GAA/Chinese into this.

Make up your mind and STOP contradict with yourself.

And I will write the same thing, where do I contradict??

Sep 29, 2014 8:38 AM

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