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| Realistically, they would have checked both places. Even if the police didn't know the second version of the riddle (which is already ridiculous because the internet exists), SOMEBODY would have known it, the video was public after all. It wouldn't have just been that one jackass in the office who solved it. Stuff like this just bug me, because this show actually tries to take itself seriously then gives a retarded police force. tl;dr if this happened IRL the bomb would have been immediately found. |
| I'm going to go ahead and say the OP and ED of this show is the best this season (imo). And I shouldn't have listened to the whole soundtrack (from the other thread) because now the epicness has been spoiled haha >__< I'm looking forward to what else Nine and Twelve are going to do but at the same I can't help but feel disgusted at myself. When the bomb went off I was like "Ha! They got you good!" Then I remembered they're terrorists. Holy shit wait I shouldn't be thrilled. I guess this is what the show's been aiming for huh? |
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ex_necross said: Realistically, they would have checked both places. Even if the police didn't know the second version of the riddle (which is already ridiculous because the internet exists), SOMEBODY would have known it, the video was public after all. It wouldn't have just been that one jackass in the office who solved it. To be fair, I tried to google up the second variation of the riddle with the Oedipus answer and I could not find it at all. Either the variation is extremely obscure or the anime made it up. Also keep in mind the second part of the riddle the police had to get right, and that was realizing that the bombers directed the riddle towards them. So even if the police knew the answer, they also had to pick up the hint that the bombers were targeting a specific police station at the 243 address. Hell, the police were fortunate in the first place to pick up the fact that the numbers in the riddle represented an address. I don't blame the cops for not figuring out the correct location in so short a time. |
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migohunter said: ex_necross said: Realistically, they would have checked both places. Even if the police didn't know the second version of the riddle (which is already ridiculous because the internet exists), SOMEBODY would have known it, the video was public after all. It wouldn't have just been that one jackass in the office who solved it. To be fair, I tried to google up the second variation of the riddle with the Oedipus answer and I could not find it at all. Either the variation is extremely obscure or the anime made it up. Also keep in mind the second part of the riddle the police had to get right, and that was realizing that the bombers directed the riddle towards them. So even if the police knew the answer, they also had to pick up the hint that the bombers were targeting a specific police station at the 243 address. It's a pretty well known riddle, and I'm sure out of the tens of millions of people who would have seen that video, several thousands would have figured it out. It's just a classic example of incompetent police forces in media. This is still my second favorite show of the season, but a show that takes itself so seriously needs to be more, well, believable. |
| Wow, dat' was pretty cool. And the riddle... First I was like "Okey, we know the answer... not funny. But still, why did he put the bomb there ? No sense !" Then I learned there was another version :) |
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ex_necross said: migohunter said: To be fair, I tried to google up the second variation of the riddle with the Oedipus answer and I could not find it at all. Either the variation is extremely obscure or the anime made it up. Also keep in mind the second part of the riddle the police had to get right, and that was realizing that the bombers directed the riddle towards them. So even if the police knew the answer, they also had to pick up the hint that the bombers were targeting a specific police station at the 243 address. Hell, the police were fortunate in the first place to pick up the fact that the numbers in the riddle represented an address. I don't blame the cops for not figuring out the correct location in so short a time. It's a pretty well known riddle, and I'm sure out of the tens of millions of people who would have seen that video, several thousands would have figured it out. It's just a classic example of incompetent police forces in media. This is still my second favorite show of the season, but a show that takes itself so seriously needs to be more, well, believable. You kinda missed my point. Yes, the 4-2-3 variation is very well known, but the 243 variation? Seriously, try googling the second version and see if it exists. It's really not easy at all to find. How do you know tens of millions of people have watched the video? I forget the time span between the video upload and the bomb going off but it doesn't appear to be very long. Finally, the riddle might be simple on the surface but there are several layers to it that the police have to nail to figure out that particular police station will be bombed. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. |
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migohunter said: ex_necross said: It's a pretty well known riddle, and I'm sure out of the tens of millions of people who would have seen that video, several thousands would have figured it out. It's just a classic example of incompetent police forces in media. This is still my second favorite show of the season, but a show that takes itself so seriously needs to be more, well, believable. You kinda missed my point. Yes, the 4-2-3 variation is very well known, but the 243 variation? Seriously, try googling the second version and see if it exists. It's really not easy at all to find. How do you know tens of millions of people have watched the video? I forget the time span between the video upload and the bomb going off but it doesn't appear to be very long. Finally, the riddle might be simple on the surface but there are several layers to it that the police have to nail to figure out that particular police station will be bombed. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. The viewer thing is pretty obvious. This "youtube" uploader would be the center of the world's and news organization's attention and everybody would be watching the uploads. Imagine how many views videos uploaded by the 9/11 guys would have gotten if they were to do a series of attacks. The rest is irrelevant. Critical thinking is these guy's jobs, and supposedly they are good if not the best at it. They can figure out riddles. This would be a world event. People would just figure this stuff out. It's as simple as that. Humans are pretty good at figuring shit out, especially millions of them. Not gonna get into this further though. |
| This show is so well directed and put together so far. Best of summer 2014 until now. Having said that, I'd like for us to start having some background on the MC's. |
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ex_necross said: migohunter said: You kinda missed my point. Yes, the 4-2-3 variation is very well known, but the 243 variation? Seriously, try googling the second version and see if it exists. It's really not easy at all to find. How do you know tens of millions of people have watched the video? I forget the time span between the video upload and the bomb going off but it doesn't appear to be very long. Finally, the riddle might be simple on the surface but there are several layers to it that the police have to nail to figure out that particular police station will be bombed. Hindsight is 20/20 after all. The viewer thing is pretty obvious. This "youtube" uploader would be the center of the world's and news organization's attention and everybody would be watching the uploads. Imagine how many views videos uploaded by the 9/11 guys would have gotten if they were to do a series of attacks. The rest is irrelevant. Critical thinking is these guy's jobs, and supposedly they are good if not the best at it. They can figure out riddles. This would be a world event. People would just figure this stuff out. It's as simple as that. Humans are pretty good at figuring shit out, especially millions of them. Not gonna get into this further though. Yeah, I agree with you to some extent. |
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theanimelover26 said: i was surprised that the police didnt know the answer to the riddle since its one of the most common riddles in Western culture they did figure it out, but the wrong riddle |
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| This is turning out to be pretty realistic o_o They used Tor browser to upload the video, good work until here. Thermite reaction, also realistic. I'm really liking this omg |
| This is seriously badass. |
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| Who discovers Oedipus Rex through a manga? Lisa needs to straighten out her life. But yeah, I like the direction the anime's gone for. We're now seeing the acts of terrorism being treated on a more "real" level. The duo are no longer the glorified badasses they were in episode one, but look more sinister. Like they should. Still not sold, but I'm getting there. |
| Amazing episode, definitely better than the first one. Can't wait to see what this anime has in store for us. |
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| They're geniuses when it comes to turning technology into weapons. Especially for destructive ones. Perfect for sabotaging governments which they can dominate. Sooner or later, they'll likely get caught, I think. But wow, they sure are clever. It seems that Arata is challenging someone to come after him. Really great. Keeps getting better. I hope this keeps up. |
| Never knew there was a second version of the riddle. |
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xxdeathx said: Unlike you guys, I can't stand this show's art or music. It's all so...dark and bland. The OP is especially weird. They could take a lesson from NGNL's beautiful vibrant colors and epic soundtrack.. It's meant to be dark and bland (even though it really isn't bland). Do you really think this show will be better if the animation was the same as it was in NGNL? It'd be downright strange and unfitting. Dark and bland doesn't mean the animation is bad either, in fact it's better animated than NGNL. The music is perfectly fitting for the series also and is composed brilliantly. NGNL's OST isn't bad, it's fitting for the atmosphere of the show as is ZNT's. The OP is fantastic. There's a part of it where 12 smiles nicely and then more sinister and the lyrics says something about a smile, I can't remember exactly but that sticks in my mind. It baffles me how you compared to two in the first place and I really thought you were trolling but I don't think you are. Each to their own I guess. |
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| From all the meetings I can conclude that the special forces and the police in this anime are once again pretty dumb... why must 90% of all anime reduce all adults besides the main characters to absolute idiots all the time? I mean that Oedipus reference is something every middle schooler can get right, same for a few of the details in the meeting.... That obvious 9/11 imagery was well directed though and I think the manga art was a clear reference to Yasuhiko Yoshikazu's works. Sadly, I can already see a lot of potential wasted by making the protagonists too young and the opponents in this mind game too weak. Above average so far, but only because of the production. Watanabe is better at directing visuals than plot and characters in recent times. |
NidhoeggrJul 18, 2014 6:57 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: Sadly, I can already see a lot of potential wasted by making the protagonists too young and the opponents in this mind game too weak. One of the opponents hasn't officially joined the game yet. I think the police will step up their game after that. |
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| Always interesting to see the investigation process at work, but I'm getting huge Death Note vibes. It's just me I guess, as the anti-heroes seem to have an interesting background story to be told, unlike Light Yagami, who just turns evil over time as the show goes on. Love Shibasaki's character design. |
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| The music in this anime is superb, definitely noting that on my review. This is finally a psychological that seems much more promising than what I've watched so far. Great episode, can't wait to see what happens next week. |
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| Another great episode! Reminded me of death note, that nostalgia. Almost perfect direction, besides animation, soundtrack and characters. Only I did not like the seiyuus, rest is the best anime this season, fired. I hope soon to know the motives of terrorists, and hopefully nothing as 'personal'. |
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| wow what a great riddle incorporation. Didn't expect Oedipus Rex at all. |
| Well the riddle was really common and they probably did that on purpose or sth? So the police would surely find them? Idk... Good episode though and good music. |
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| This show is freakin awesome. Nothing else. Can't wait for more. Opening and Endings are GREAT! So good. 5/5 from me for this episode. |
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| Very promising. I didn't know there was another answer to the riddle. The OST is growing on me, which is always a great sign. 12 and the ex-detective (the one who solved the riddle late) are probably related. |
| Watanabe and Kanno do it again, i'm hooked so far. |
| Oh! I know that riddle xD |
| brilliant and refreshing |
| that was good. i want to know what's the reason for them doing thisss, what is he "waiting" for? |
| OST SO GOOD MAN. |
| It probably wouldn't have mattered if the cops found out the meaning behind the riddle sooner anyways. They were just taunting them because IIRC the bomb was not on a timer. They accomplished just that. |
| Pretty good episode. This along with Space Dandy are definitely my favs this season so far. I must be one of the few that didn't know that riddle. I guess I'm not as cultured as you nerds. |
| Damn this is getting me hyped up more than the other animes currently out there. Can't wait for the next! OST is great 5/5 |
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| Amazing first 2 episodes! |
| Ah, I'm enjoying this series so much. Great episode. |
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| Lol am I the only one who isn't too impressed by this anime? I mean the visuals and soundtrack are great and all, but the characters are clichéd and it feels pretentious. I really wanted to like this ughhhhghg. It's nowhere near Death Note imo. sykodelic-ninja said: I feel like they're trying too hard to come off as an "intellectual" anime. They just throw out words like thermite, phreatic, and tor and then call the terrorists "extremely intelligent" for predicting a phreatic reaction. Please, the area wasn't confined enough to cause a massive steam explosion, if those really are super pillars they won't be melted by thermite, and tor isn't some infallible protection. Also, did they make up the 2nd version of the riddle? I can't find references to it online. My thoughts exactly. And I found it funny how the guy figured out the bomb was in that building because the terrorists said "so, everyone, especially those of you from the police, here's a riddle for you." Yeah right lol. |
SunkenShipJul 18, 2014 5:01 PM
| This anime seems really interesting. I wonder what the real purpose of their terrorism is. Sure something about their past (looks like they were used for experiments or so) - but does Shibazaki has anything to do with them (seems like twelve was waiting for him to come "back"). At least, one can say that they do not want to kill anyone. Therefore I think that they were playing on the fact that the police would only know the first riddle. This way the police left the station and they could blow up the police station without killing anyone. (Sure, the fact that EVERYBODY left the police station is maybe a bit unrealistic but well... let's be not to exact). Furthermore, I think that the black out was not only for planting the bombs but also a way to prevent the deaths of thousands of people. (The news said: "Only 27 with minor injuries - miraculous.") I wonder if VON has anything to do with "Volatile Organic Nitrogen". At least, you can say that Nitrogen is often involved in explosive material... Oh my~, what are these kids planning on doing with the plutonium *gulp* tingy said: sweetdrops said: Yay Pandora hearts! Oh nice :D I think I see Yotsubato and Kimi to Boku too! " Don't forget Black bird. |
skudoops said: Cliche and pretentious huh? Normally those two don't go together, but for the sake of discussion, what do you mean by that? Um yeah. - Quiet, genius bishounen with glasses. - Quirky and playful high school boy who looks 12. - Depressed pretty girl. - Dumb police. Everyone is dumb, really (apart from the "extremely intelligent" high school kids and the guy who solved the riddle). skudoops said: Huh? He only made an assumption from that statement, and used the address from the number sequence to back up his theory. He even stated if (emphasis on IF) the number sequence was an address it would most likely be the police station. Although he figured it out he wasn't even sure if he was right, he merely gave an alternative answer. Also a show trying to explain things to the user doesn't make it try to be intellectual, it just tries to make it more believable. The sentence felt more like a challenge to the police than an indication of some location. He said "so they probably mean the bomb is where the police themselves are". What? Also, I might have missed something but why was it necessary to solve the riddle in the first place? 2-4-3 was already there. They could have said the bomb is at a store called Oedipus and it would have still worked loool. And also, when the police thought the answer was 'man' and apparently did not notice that the boys said 2-4-3 not 4-2-3 I cried. Seriously? I was waiting for someone to correct him while he has explaining that bad riddle everybody knows about but no. Nothing. Our "brilliant" friend did at the last minute. I'm sorry, I thought that was a bit cheap. It may get better, but so far I'm not liking it. And reread what sykodelic-ninja wrote; that's what made it look pretentious. But it's great that everyone enjoys it, I guess. |
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