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Jun 12, 2014 10:47 AM
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whats up with the stageplay of this show?

was it a prequel? or same story told differently?

I wonder what its like, with mixture of live actors / animated mecha scenes etc...


is there anyway to see it?
Jun 12, 2014 4:43 PM
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From what I know it's like an alternate universe type of thing. It does offer some backstory to Nobu's group, but there are also missing alot of characters. Caesar is technically the only antagonist. Mitsu and Ichi are star crossed lovers. It is also only composed of only 3 acts so they really had to condense the story compared to the anime.
Jun 12, 2014 4:55 PM
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I see that's interesting.. I'd still like to see it altho I much prefer caeser x ichi over mitsu x ichi..

Dunno if I'd like it if they just made caeser a villain and mitsu the complete good guy that wins the day.

I like caeser starting as bad guy then turning good and winning ichis love and mitsu starting good but getting more and more dick and finally evil / betrayer.

Anyway I'd like to see stageplay but as anime covers more material I don't see it being bebetter.

I think they should have made this show two seasons or at least 38 eps. imagine how bad ass it would be if they had more time to flesh out the characters and relationships and could have longer battles.

They also could have done something that would have made the show A LOT better (not that its not alrdy EPIC) by fleshing out the members of the round table more by giving them backstories and make them have longer arcs instead of just showing up for one ep raising hell then dying at the end.

This anime is REALLY goosd and epic but with 36 or 48 eps I think it could have been something really special!
Jun 12, 2014 5:50 PM
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The reason I'm not interested in the stage play is because of it being Mitsu/Ichi instead of Caesar/Ichi. XD

Also apparently in the play Arthur is the main villain, but doesn't even have a voice or get in it. XD It's very glossed over.

Yeah, I agree, they needed more eps to flesh everything out as it kinda gives you a summary or you just know things happened (like Ichi knowing Caesar was with Mitsu on the West Star). They really needed to have Caesar/Ichi with more scenes and see better how they fell in love.

They really needed to flesh out the Round Table more (and be more faithful to their historical counterparts too (I really hate how they did Charlemagne (he was a greatly loved king) and Hannibal)). How they all just die off was just...

With that many eps it definitely would have been better.
Jun 12, 2014 6:18 PM
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Mitsu/Ichi didnt get an awful lot of screentime even in the play, and its kinda like she died soon after ep 13, either way, both anime/play has Mitsu suffering so yeah.. for me its more like the stage play ichi didnt get a chance to fall in love with caesar but whatever

I mean think about it, how can Caesar start to be a hero when the round table members like hannibal and charlemange arent even in the play?

Besides the live play actors for both ichi and caesar are ugly so i dont really care...

But as already mentioned, a stage play (can you imagine, each actor does not speak and their lines are spoken by their anime seiyuus who stands in the background), is very limited in terms of plot and the number of characters that can be fit in, so for me its just a simplified/modified version of the anime to fit it into a play, having caesar as the main baddie is definitely simpler

You will never see it probably, there is only one performance for each act (its actually quite long) , the best you can hope for is find a blog about it in japanese of people summarizing each act and get the gist of what happened
Jun 12, 2014 8:50 PM
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Did Caesar propose to Ichi in the play? I mean she died trying to stop them from fighting. I've seen stage plays of other shows on youtube. Hopefully they release it on home video or something. How long is one act?
Jun 12, 2014 9:06 PM
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Yeah, that's probably it (and how to look at it), Ichi just didn't have a chance. No matter what though Mitsu/Ichi won't happen anyways. XD In the anime Caesar was right, he is the only one who can make her happy.

Haha, exactly, he only has himself. XD

Wait... there is actors acting it out, but the seiyuus speak in the background? LOL, I can't imagine the appeal. XD
Jun 12, 2014 10:45 PM
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Well the play is over 6 hrs long each, dont think anyone is allowed to record it, and the first play occured 5 months ago but no videos are released yet so...

Yeah they had talks about caesar demanding an arranged marriage, but idk the details, but i think she died soon after that or something.. someone who can find a good blog summary can post it here or i cant find it...

Well funnily enough, even in the play, neither mitsu nor ichi stated openly that one of them loved the other, even when she died (though it was obvious she has feelings for mitsu when she died), yeah thats how it is, look at the pics, the actors act it out while the seiyuus stand in the background reading their lines, its kinda dumb
Jun 13, 2014 12:33 AM
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6 hrs...... Seriously? Unless they are going to release them together I highly doubt they will after that long.

Well, then I can't see how Ichi was happy when she died as in the anime that happiness was kinda recent and because of Caesar. That is kinda dumb, the people who go must be be fans of the seiyuus.
Jun 13, 2014 12:43 AM
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6 hrs...... Seriously? Unless they are going to release them together I highly doubt they will after that long.

Well, then I can't see how Ichi was happy when she died as in the anime that happiness was kinda recent and because of Caesar. That is kinda dumb, the people who go must be be fans of the seiyuus.

seiyuus and actors were an 'all-star' cast so its defo part of the appeal... well she liked mitsu so she was happy with that... she didnt get the chance to know there were awesome guys like caesar after all...

The character backstories in the play are actually more or less the same as the prologue (backstories ) for the anime that is published as web light novels, forgot which site though
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Jun 13, 2014 3:53 AM
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6 hours! I was expecting it to be 3 hrs at most. Yeah I really don't see this coming out to home video, but you never know. The pics they keep showing really don't do this play justice if it's that long.

I'm so curious now how Ichi planned to stop them from fighting. Or why she tried to stop them. It's obvious though that her death like in the anime will cause Mitsu's betrayal.
Jun 13, 2014 3:58 AM
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6 hours! I was expecting it to be 3 hrs at most. Yeah I really don't see this coming out to home video, but you never know. The pics they keep showing really don't do this play justice if it's that long.

I'm so curious now how Ichi planned to stop them from fighting. Or why she tried to stop them. It's obvious though that her death like in the anime will cause Mitsu's betrayal.

Well alot of time is wasted on narration and play-acting (parts of it, iirc is almost like a musical with dancing and stuff), and remember that they are supposed to complete the series in 3 plays and the first mostly focuses on backstories etc

IDK i just hope mitsu suffers more in both adaptations, its fun to watch

IIRC,in the play nobu tried to activate 4 regalias at once and lost control of his powers in his fight against caesar like in ep 18, so ichi tried to stop him and died, so in fact in the play ichis death CAN be blamed directly on nobunaga , so it makes sense that Mitsu will actually betray nobu because of this (and this time he wont even need arthur to brainwash him)
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Hmm, I guess Caesar is gonna be looking for revenge against Nobu for killing Ichi too then. Watch them both work together to kill Nobu. I so don't want that though.
Jun 13, 2014 4:12 AM
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Hmm, I guess Caesar is gonna be looking for revenge against Nobu for killing Ichi too then. Watch them both work together to kill Nobu. I so don't want that though.

Not sure if play caesar got to fall in love in ichi, or it was still in the lust stage, besides caesar was also fighting so isnt he to blame too?

(i mean anime caesar clearly only wanted her for her looks at first, and he was quite stalkerish and obsessed about possessing her, until he got to know her)
Jun 13, 2014 4:22 AM
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I was just speculating why Caesar would still have beef with them. I'm guessing it's because he really wanted Ichi or for the regalias.

Yeah, going back and watching the episodes he really wanted to tap that ass lol... I really wonder what it was about Ichi that Caesar found so special. Then again Cesare did say that Caesar had a thing for girls virtue or something like that.
Jun 13, 2014 4:50 AM
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I was just speculating why Caesar would still have beef with them. I'm guessing it's because he really wanted Ichi or for the regalias.

Yeah, going back and watching the episodes he really wanted to tap that ass lol... I really wonder what it was about Ichi that Caesar found so special. Then again Cesare did say that Caesar had a thing for girls virtue or something like that.

At first it was just about her beauty, after all ichi is said to be the most beautiful on the planet, but after knowing her, he was impressed by her strong will and resolve (notice how caesar was mesmerised by her declaration that she will kill him if he breaks his promise), so he probably decided that this is a girl he wants to make happy and he really fell for her
Jun 13, 2014 11:23 AM
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Hm, yeah, you can blame Nobu for Ichi's death there. Hate to say it, but Mitsu has a point with it like that... But in the anime, no, just no.

Mitsu's suffering is always fun to watch. It's a real talent he has. XD

LOL, yeah, Caesar was starting to fall for Ichi when she made that declaration to kill him if he breaks the promise. XD
Jun 16, 2014 8:28 AM

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I would love to watch it but I don't understand any Japanese ^^;
Jun 18, 2014 1:25 AM
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Well I just read a short review of act 2 and one thing stood out. Ichi's last words to Mitsu was how she wishes she could watch the cherry blossoms again with Mitsu, and that those were her happiest memories or something like that. This just got me thinking of ep 21 and how Caesar basically tells Ichi the same thing.
Jun 18, 2014 3:58 AM
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How is it the same? What caesar told her was he realized his happiness was just being able to spend time with her, and calls her ' the one I love' he didnt refer to any specific memory and he died together with her, theres no connection between the play and the anime scenes, especially when the context and situation of their deaths are completely different

The moral/lesson we are supposed to take from what he said was that in ep 21 he kept talking about true happiness while brainwashed, and in the end after he came to his senses he was able to tell her that he already had it all along, it was supposed to be ironic, while ichis death in the play was just supposed to be a sad moment

Stage play ichi never mentioned love while she was dying, just that she was glad she got to know him and remembered the past and died alone, with nobu and mitsu despairing, and people blaming nobu (IIRC the villagers ended up ganging up and beating the shit out of nobu after she died, not sure if Mitsu joined in)

But its obvious that Ichihimes main role in both versions is to die and push Mitsu to betray Nobu

Anime Ichi probably saw sakura with Mitsu, since in ep 21 the tree she was referring too is clearly the sakura in question, and she seems to hang around it alot in her free time... IIRC she also talked with Mitsu in front of it after he fathers death.. it seems to be her favorite tree, and also the entire Oda clan seems to like that tree (Nobu saru and mitsu seems to make their oath in front of that tree and saru also mentioned the tree in ep 22) .. Mitsu also hallucinated about Ichi in ep 19 with the sakura as background

I guess stage play ichi never got to eat a chocolate cake, I kinda feel bad for her, but the live version of ichi is ugly so whatever

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Jun 18, 2014 11:03 AM
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What I meant was them dying in the hands of their loved one while saying something romantic in a way. REALLY! they did that LOL... but Nobu's their lord can't they get punished for something like that. Ichi unfortunately is just there for Mitsu's development. That sakura tree really is a big deal to them huh.

I have to call you out on live ichi being ugly though. I've seen pics of her without the costume and she's GORGEOUS. It's just that the costume doesn't do her or Ichi justice.
Jun 18, 2014 4:12 PM
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Meh Caesar is actually the only character in both the play and the anime who confesses his love directly and openly, even himiko hasnt done it properly, Caesar and Ichis death in the anime is far more emotional (or at least supposed to be) ichis death in the play, their death in anime really has the feel of 'true love' and romantic tragedy with them reuniting happily, only for a cruel tragedy to happen to them, while in the play its just 2 people had affections for each other, and one of them died suddenly, The final shot of caesar and Ichi passing together with their hands touching and their respective accessories (Ichis flowers and caesars regalias) besides each other's is probably (supposed) to be the saddest and most emotional moment in both adaptations

Caesars declaration of love to Ichi was even given one of those special backgrounds this anime gives for supposedly important moments

Im a little disappointed play ichi died before she could fall for caesar, i wanted mitsu to suffer in all adaptations but whatever (oh wait i guess he still did)

I can actually confirm nobu got beaten up, jeanne tried to protect him, and got beaten up too, i guess both stage play and anime jeanne are equally useless

just disagree i guess, she looks ugly to me
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Haha, yeah, even Himiko didn't confess properly. XD It's definitely is the saddest. I mean when Himiko died, the plot moved onwards. She had this kinda flash death scene. XD

So Nobu went villain mode and killed his sis accidentally, then got beat up. Guess Ichi falling for Caesar even changes his chara and story. XD
Jun 18, 2014 6:15 PM
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Caesar also confessed in the play? Man he wastes no time. Does it say anything of what the others were doing when Nobu and Jeanne get jumped.

Caesar and Ichi's death was probably the saddest moment in the anime and play, but I think we are a little biased considering we ship them so hard LOL... I mean Nobukatsu's death was pretty painful to watch. Even Himiko with how she conceded to Jeanne.
Jun 18, 2014 7:54 PM
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caesar did not confess in the play, probably she died before anything can happen really

No, it is really, nobukatsu isnt characters viewers get attached to, himikos death comes close, but in terms of buildup and tragedy, caesar and ichis death defo tops it even from a neutral POV

I mean the premise is a girl falling for her fathers killer who nearly destroyed her homeland and more or less forced her to marry him, its like the set up to a greek tragedy
Jun 20, 2014 1:48 AM
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Based on what i read, in the play Ichi died before the marriage to caesar can take place, so i think the characters are the same, its just that the way the story panned out, it didnt happen, i think in the anime Ichi would say more or less the same thing as she did to mitsu if she died before episode 14 or 18
Jun 20, 2014 2:28 AM
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So I'm guessing the wedding was set but something happened and things went sour. I like to believe the characters are the same its just that they are put in different situations.
Jun 20, 2014 3:03 AM
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Im pretty sure the personalities are the same, just that the events unfolded differently (especially since the play cant fit all the original anime characters into it)

For example nell and bianchi isnt even in the play, so they have to find another way to kill ichi and caesar off, all in all it just seems that the plot in the play is adapted for the lack of complete cast of characters
Jun 23, 2014 10:31 PM
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People even like Ichihime? Her role was just to make Mitsuhide sad or be his emotional crutch: she's a poorly developed, flat plot device. I feel insulted you even compare that shallow character to Himiko's death which actually has emotional resonance. Whoever Ichichime loves or not isn't important because her role is basically prop Mitsuhide's development by being the object of his affection or admiration and then die in some dramatic fashion so he can feel Nobunaga is responsible.

That's the end of Ichihime's character.

Nobukatsu was easily the best done death in the show (even if his character was not particularly layered): it was well done, the atmosphere and pacing and music played to make it memorable. Himiko is by far one of my favorite characters, but I concede that death was brilliant. Caesar and Ichihime was comedy gold after how they were speared. It was so bad that was funny.
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People even like Ichihime? Her role was just to make Mitsuhide sad or be his emotional crutch: she's a poorly developed, flat plot device. I feel insulted you even compare that shallow character to Himiko's death which actually has emotional resonance. Whoever Ichichime loves or not isn't important because her role is basically prop Mitsuhide's development.


That is our opinion and if you have yours, feel free to do so, no need to feel 'insulted' that some people think Ichihime is a well developed character and likes her

You seem to be looking at things from Mitsuhides perspective, but her death has an impact on Nobu as well, and in the early episodes she supported and interacted with Nobu, and its obvious that Nobu cares for her very much, she is not all about Mitsu, Mitsu is the one who is obsessed with her

She also went from liking Mitsu to ignoring him to die in her final moments, Id say she had some character development there

Just because you dislike someone you shouldnt call that character shallow or flat plot device, she lacked screentime since she isnt one of the main characters, but she actually has good character development, much more than himiko despite her higher screentime

Himikos death was sad, but her entire character more or less revolved around her undying devotion and repeatedly just sacrificing her lifespan for his sake over a single childhood meeting, thats more shallow if you ask me

And even if some people just like her for being pretty and can sing, so what
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You take personally when they insult flat, one dimensional characters? From what it seems, Ichihime is stripped to barebones basics to what she is: plot device for Mitsuhide (and secondary, Nobunaga) drama. Her subplot with Caesar was simply removed, because it wasn't essential to the story. Her essential role in the story is to have Mitsuhide feel sad for her death and blame Nobunaga.

Himiko had lines, interacted, and formed relationships with most of the cast: felt jealousy, had flaws, etc. Ichihime did not. She existed like some kind of vapid idealized woman who was emotional crutch to men.
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LoveDriftsAway said:
You take personally when they insult flat, one dimensional characters? From what it seems, Ichihime is stripped to barebones basics to what she is: plot device for Mitsuhide (and secondary, Nobunaga) drama. Her subplot with Caesar was simply removed, because it wasn't essential to the story. Her essential role in the story is to have Mitsuhide feel sad for her death and blame Nobunaga.

Himiko had lines, interacted, and formed relationships with most of the cast: felt jealousy, had flaws, etc. Ichihime did not. She existed like some kind of vapid idealized woman who was emotional crutch to men.


Huh? you were the one who said you feel 'insulted' that people actually like her, so you are the one who is taking it personally, Im telling you to not feel 'insulted' at other people's opinions, just respect it and state yours, if you dont agree, move on

Her subplot with Caesar was just a romance subplot, as in any other series, so what if its not 'essential' to the story? Ichi had a strong relationship with Nobu from the start, and she also had interactions with Himiko and Jeanne, Nobukatsu, her dad etc etc, If anything Himiko only had meaningful relationships with Nobunaga, Jeanne and Saru

Ichihime also felt alot of things and showed different emotions, you are just refusing to see it, e.g in ep 21 she showed anger, sadness, and plenty of other emotions

She is a sheltered princess, of course she is close to idealized, Himik was almost entiredly one-dimensional-> she was blindly devoted to nobunaga from the start to her death, I.E Nobunagas relationship with her did not develop at all, he didnt have feelings for her at the start, and he didnt have feelings for her at the end, in that way, there was almost no difference if Himiko died in ep 6 when she got shot or in ep 23, her only role was to serve as a human battery power source and pilot the ship

So does Himikos interactions with Jeanne make her a plot device to make Jeanne more honest with her feelings and to set her ending with Nobunaga?

While Ichihime, despite liking Mitsu at the start, ended up ignoring him to die with another man, I would call that character development

Based on your statement that Ichi and Caesar was speared being comedy gold, i can see that you have some form of bias against them, so whatever

But you know what was comedy gold for me? Ichihime ignoring Mitsu calling out her name and crawling past him towards caesar, i know that was supposed to be sad but i laughed my ass off there

And even if Ichi (and Caesars) character was meant to make Mitsu suffer to prop his character development, i dont particularly mind, that guys suffering expressions is pure win, and judging by the poll in the romance thread, i think quite a few others would agree with me that any character that makes Mitsu suffer is a good character

Mitsu x Suffering for OTP
jfsJun 23, 2014 11:13 PM

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