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jfs said:
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Oh its nice that you're studying there. Where, may I ask? I lived in Kyoto with my aunt for 4 years, so I'm curious where you're currently studying.


Waseda Uni in shinjuku, Ive been to kyoto, but only to visit castles lol....

Anyway, rather than continue discussing pointless historical stuff, cant people get back to the episode?

I notice nobody has mentioned Himikos MASSIVE death flag from the preview for next ep, and the possibility of saru x himiko

Also who wouldve thought that shakespere line 'et tu brute' (though the literal translation just says you too, brutus?)

Who wouldve guessed it would be alexander and not caesar who used that line


It would seem that she will die next episode. But I wonder why they decided to have Alexander use that line. It seemed out of place for me.
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BaiHu27 said:


It would seem that she will die next episode. But I wonder why they decided to have Alexander use that line. It seemed out of place for me.


Just a historical reference, like an easter egg if you like, while this show is not the most historically accurate, there are some nice historical reference, like charlemange and hannibals mecha names has references to their real life conquests or something..

That said it does seem totally random.. the context of which the line was used , (in shakespere caesar said it when he was betrayed) but now a different person said it in a completely different situation idk what to make of that, i guess they think they are being creative..

Would himiko die so easily? they referenced needing 4 people from the east- jeanne himiko nobunga and saru , or maybe kenshin might take her place? he still has a regalia after all and if im not wrong they will need all the regalias to summon the grail
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I know that part was about Mitsu. I guess it looks to me like she won't forget him an dwill always have a place in her heart. She says stuff like she wishes she can go back and tell him her feelings etc etc. Thats why to me it feels like she still has/had feelings for him. In the last moments of her life like you said she chose Caesar though.

Himiko has a 99% of dying next episode nuff said. That et tu Brute? was pretty random lol...
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jfs said:

That said it does seem totally random.. the context of which the line was used , (in shakespere caesar said it when he was betrayed) but now a different person said it in a completely different situation idk what to make of that, i guess they think they are being creative..

Would himiko die so easily? they referenced needing 4 people from the east- jeanne himiko nobunga and saru , or maybe kenshin might take her place? he still has a regalia after all and if im not wrong they will need all the regalias to summon the grail


Well if she dies, it would hinder Arthur's attempts. Can Kenshin take her place though? He can't wield a regalia like the others, and its unlikely that he will suddenly gain the ability to use one, unless we take his meeting with the dragon into account.
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I know that part was about Mitsu. I guess it looks to me like she won't forget him an dwill always have a place in her heart. She says stuff like she wishes she can go back and tell him her feelings etc etc. Thats why to me it feels like she still has/had feelings for him. In the last moments of her life like you said she chose Caesar though.

Himiko has a 99% of dying next episode nuff said. That et tu Brute? was pretty random lol...


Like i said all those part about going to the past and regrets was the first part of the song, clearly meant for mitsu, the entire 2nd part, speaking of the present, was dedicated for caesar, and uses the word love, note that the song was released after ep 18, when Ichi shows her feelings for caesar for the first time, and the 2nd part of the song said 'please be safe, i will wait for your return to tell you my feelings' which is a clear reference to caesar being the only one who hasnt returned at that point in the story, so imo the song reflects her feelings after ep 18, she already realized she was in love with him at that time, and as i said, it was very obvious that she was in love with him at the start of ep 21 (the number of times she cried/almost cried because of him during the ep also gives it away)
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Well if she dies, it would hinder Arthur's attempts. Can Kenshin take her place though? He can't wield a regalia like the others, and its unlikely that he will suddenly gain the ability to use one, unless we take his meeting with the dragon into account.

In ep 19, when they headed off to the trial, everyone took out their regalias, kenshin had one of his own, so if they need all regalias, he would need to be there, and remember in ep 14 when kenshin appears, da vinci said 'he should be invited to the banquet' , which clearly refers to the last supper and the 12 people (disciples of jesus/savior king or whatever) meeting so who knows
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jfs said:

In ep 19, when they headed off to the trial, everyone took out their regalias, kenshin had one of his own, so if they need all regalias, he would need to be there, and remember in ep 14 when kenshin appears, da vinci said 'he should be invited to the banquet' , which clearly refers to the last supper and the 12 people (disciples of jesus/savior king or whatever) meeting so who knows


Hmm, maybe he will be part of the banquet. Although I don't want Himiko to die.
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I don't think Himiko will survive, she's too resolved at this point. Only Nobu can stop her and I have a feeling he'll be having his hands full with the devil.

I think I'll stay away from discussing Mitsu this time, there's a lot of different ways you can perceive his fall based on the writing style of the show.
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I barely noticed this but..

http://littlecloudcuriosity.com/2014/06/08/nobunaga-the-fool-episode-22-review/nobunaga-the-fool-episode-22-25/

My inner shipper squealed when I saw this.


That just seems like a draft painting for the last supper
Jun 8, 2014 8:37 PM
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Probably, but I would think the last supper would have the chosen 12. Ichi and Caesar aren't one of the chosen. Whatever it is it's nice to see Da Vinci ships them lol..
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Probably, but I would think the last supper would have the chosen 12. Ichi and Caesar aren't one of the chosen. Whatever it is it's nice to see Da Vinci ships them lol..


Ichi and caesar was also in the final last supper painting, the positions of nobunaga and hideyoshi implies this is an earlier version or something but idk
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not a suprise to mitsuhides betrayal since the death of ichi. the thing that bugged me was that he said nobu didnt save her in time when nobu did most the work along with caesar and mitsu just stood on the sidelines whining.

mitsus ending is not gonna be pleasant.

keen to know whats going to happen next episode and hope that himiko doesnt die (fingers crossed) its apparent saru has feelings for himiko but she is faithful to her unrequited love for nobu.
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not a suprise to mitsuhides betrayal since the death of ichi. the thing that bugged me was that he said nobu didnt save her in time when nobu did most the work along with caesar and mitsu just stood on the sidelines whining.

mitsus ending is not gonna be pleasant.

keen to know whats going to happen next episode and hope that himiko doesnt die (fingers crossed) its apparent saru has feelings for himiko but she is faithful to her unrequited love for nobu.


I hope Mitsu redeems himself in the last minute, and got rescued by his ninja girls who decided to follow him, and actually starts a proper life for himself and get over Ichi, he deserves that much at least..

As low as my opinion of Mitsu is, its not like i want him to suffer an agonizing death

I hope Himiko x saru can happen in the end, and himikos character song next month references saru (like how ichis talks about caesar)
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Honn�-ji it's coming. I guess it was too much for a Caesar/Ichi funeral scene. My guess is they needed Caesar's body for the perfecta. I'm surprised they didn't have a scene where Mitsu buried the comb. That Brutus was pretty random lol... Mitsu I want to like you but I can't seriously, they made him into a character that you really can't root for.


If they needed Caesar's body then why was Charlemagne there? Didn't he blow himself up? Maybe because he got out from Arthur's spell? I don't know, it's a mystery that may never be explained. XD

And Alexander totally stole Caesar's line. XD So random!
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King Author is the king of manipulation.

Great episode!!!
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Honn��-ji it's coming. I guess it was too much for a Caesar/Ichi funeral scene. My guess is they needed Caesar's body for the perfecta. I'm surprised they didn't have a scene where Mitsu buried the comb. That Brutus was pretty random lol... Mitsu I want to like you but I can't seriously, they made him into a character that you really can't root for.


If they needed Caesar's body then why was Charlemagne there? Didn't he blow himself up? Maybe because he got out from Arthur's spell? I don't know, it's a mystery that may never be explained. XD

And Alexander totally stole Caesar's line. XD So random!


Well i think they just dont want to ruin Ichi and Caesars death scene which obviously should be left alone and made brutus take his place, its plot induced

I doubt its a time problem, since one of the twins was there....

Alexander getting pissed at cesare for offing his rival? was kinda nice
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jfs said:
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If they needed Caesar's body then why was Charlemagne there? Didn't he blow himself up? Maybe because he got out from Arthur's spell? I don't know, it's a mystery that may never be explained. XD

And Alexander totally stole Caesar's line. XD So random!


Well i think they just dont want to ruin Ichi and Caesars death scene which obviously should be left alone and made brutus take his place, its plot induced

I doubt its a time problem, since one of the twins was there....

Alexander getting pissed at cesare for offing his rival? was kinda nice


Yeah, that's probably the reason. After all a lot of this series is plot induced, they're not going to stop now. XD

Indeed, though I wonder why one twin...

That was nice.
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I'm so sick of Mitsuhide's shit. Everything seems like a sob story with him. This guy has probably been my most hated character for nearly 10 episodes now, which is ironic considering he's probably had the most development of any character in this show. I can only sympathize with him for so long.
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Thus, Mitsuhide's betrayal is now set in stone. Poor Himiko anyway T-T

Will Da Vinci ever interfere?
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Good episode.
So Mitsu will betray Nobu. I wonder how this will end now..
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Is it just me or is anyone else getting slightly annoyed with how everyone is calling nobu the destroyer king even though most of the destruction is because of alexander, also a bit angry at how mitsuhide blames nobu for ichihimes death while walking next to cesare, the guy who literally killed her.... i might just hate mitsuhide.
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Even thought Arthur is confirmed for being a manipulative cheater, Nobunaga hasn't really displayed the traits that inspire such undying loyalty from some. I really hope he comes into his own now and the don't try to cram his "greatness" into the last 3 minutes of the last chapter.

Let's see what Misuhide's treason will bring. I believe that at the last moment he might repent and not slay Nobunaga.

Nobunaga's fiancee seems to really be about to die. Let's hope Nobunaga appreciates her sacrifice it it comes to that.
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Is it just me or is anyone else getting slightly annoyed with how everyone is calling nobu the destroyer king even though most of the destruction is because of alexander, also a bit angry at how mitsuhide blames nobu for ichihimes death while walking next to cesare, the guy who literally killed her.... i might just hate mitsuhide.


The most retarded thing was that the imps clearly killed caesar (and Ichi) under arthur or at least the west sides orders, and he decided to join them instead instead of blaming them
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I've said it before objectively Mitsu is a piece of shit. But I wont fault him for getting emotional from his conversation with Arthur but blaming Nobu for Ichi's death is stupid. I feel bad for Nobu he lost his dad, brother, sister and now Mitsu is betraying him. Can anyone confirm, is he the saviour king or what?
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I wonder what'll happen to Mitsu and Nobu now. Mitsu has sided with Arthur, though I still have my doubts. What an unusual turn of events as well.
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Oh no, Mitsu turned...
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Oh no, Mitsu turned...


It was inevitable
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- SARU IS SUCH A GOOD BOY! All the crap's hitting the fan, and he sticks around to put a smile on everyone's faces. I guess he couldn't die after all. Himiko/Hide was good too.

- Ran and Nobu should just get married already.

- Confession about Nobukatsu was great. Did the art perk up today? Even Hide was pretty.

- Not sure what the argument is going on: I blame Arthur. There is some black magic going on with that guy. He quickly switched Ceasar and Mitsu who protested against him using war.

He says he wants peace but he gives off a MacBeth feel. What's weird is that the only guy he seems to tell that "Destruction" is the right path is Cesare? According to Cesare himself (or did Cesare called Arthur a dark, scary person?)? All in all, prophecies are connected to divine ideas, and everybody suffers because of radical thoughts. Just look at Jeanne.

- HOW does Hide want vengeance?!?!?! Or maybe I misunderstood. I thought he was talking about his sister and his village, but he probably meant who died so far against the West.
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I was eager to see the episode just to see another confrontation of Baihu and jfs, lol.

Lol, Mitsu didn't even see Ichihime instead of his father, I guess he really was more important to him in the end than her. I really expect nothing more from him than to keep on failing.

At least the East can take a break from Mitsu's shit .Da Vinci probably sent him as a Trojan Horse to the West, they're at a serious disadvantage now. I don't get the strategist hype on him. He can't see the West is to blame for Ichi's death, neither what happened with Caesar when he met Artuhur. Mitsu's only feat is organizing a party for Nobu.


jfs said:
Nobu is not Tetsuya, he cant save 2 people who were ambushed so suddenly, if anything he noticed the danger before anyone else
Fixed.


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I cant imagine Kenshin being gone forever, with Mitsu now going traitor and the East side clearly underpowered, They will probably need his strength soon,.. he will probably make a dramatic entrance to crash the party at some point
Kenshin will come back.
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Meritas said:
jfs said:
I cant imagine Kenshin being gone forever, with Mitsu now going traitor and the East side clearly underpowered, They will probably need his strength soon,.. he will probably make a dramatic entrance to crash the party at some point
Kenshin will come back.

Yes he will, and he will be the one to take down Alexander.

At least I hope so.
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Meritas said:
I was eager to see the episode just to see another confrontation of Baihu and jfs, lol.

Lol, Mitsu didn't even see Ichihime instead of his father, I guess he really was more important to him in the end than her. I really expect nothing more from him than to keep on failing.

At least the East can take a break from Mitsu's shit .Da Vinci probably sent him as a Trojan Horse to the West, they're at a serious disadvantage now. I don't get the strategist hype on him. He can't see the West is to blame for Ichi's death, neither what happened with Caesar when he met Artuhur. Mitsu's only feat is organizing a party for Nobu.

Oh we already made peace and engaged in rational discussions instead...

Mitsus father being the most important has been foreshadowed since ep 17, i kinda want to know why he is so obsessed with his father and his clan, just to see if his obsession over it is even remotely justifiable..

Yeah i wonder if the perfecta zombies can fight/has their mechas back, if they can, nobu is at a massive disadvantage, since only saru, nobu, and jeanne can fight now from the east side (IDK if jeanne should be counted though, she will probably just get swatted aside just to see her boobs bouncing as fanservice like in ep 18)

Ichihime died because she decided to risk her own life to meet caesar, if she had stayed at home like a good girl like Mitsu wanted, she would still be alive, but he doesnt seem to be able to accept that she can make her own decisions about her life (hence the moment he found out she went to caesar he chased after her and said 'we are going back with ichihime' without asking her opinion...) ... talk about obsessive/possesive, cant a girl have a heart to heart talk with her husband?

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Fixed.
Right.
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Kenshin will come back.
Yeah well i cant imagine he wont fulfill his promise with alexander, thats one to look forward to

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpnxwB4CQAAbgYB.jpg

So after last episode... who looks more stupid between the two?

I know im biased but i would say at least i understand caesars reaction.. that tear-wiping gesture was a killer for someone like caesar lol there is no way he could refuse that, especially if its aphrodite herself asking..
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Arthur can change his/her appearance to brainwash any person s/he met. I got worried with the development that Gonzo might rush the ending. Only 2 episode left with the next episode focuses on Himiko. Unless S2 is coming, I don't now how the producer gonna cramp the battle for last ep.
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Arthur can change his/her appearance to brainwash any person s/he met. I got worried with the development that Gonzo might rush the ending. Only 2 episode left with the next episode focuses on Himiko. Unless S2 is coming, I don't now how the producer gonna cramp the battle for last ep.


Valvrave did a "pretty" good job by craming their last episode so...
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SevenSabers said:
K1dfor3v3r said:
Arthur can change his/her appearance to brainwash any person s/he met. I got worried with the development that Gonzo might rush the ending. Only 2 episode left with the next episode focuses on Himiko. Unless S2 is coming, I don't now how the producer gonna cramp the battle for last ep.


Valvrave did a "pretty" good job by craming their last episode so...


Yeah I know but many actions will be lost and with they cramming the last ep, I am afraid the ending will just like "end" abruptly and not satisfying

Hell yeah, I still remember valvrave, It took only one episode to battle and defeat Cain
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Well,this anime has been so depressing for the past few eps,really dont want this to end badly like the first ep opening.
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Mitsu noooooooooo!!!!!!!! don´t loss the faith in Nobu....
Ichihime trusted him,you have todo it ...
and I have to say i´m happy seeing... loves win someway... Himiko uncondicional love (well she has responsability as a magician..or whatever... I hate her less that before...
but I still hating that little girls being a women...
but I have to admit he is strong,love makes her strong,)
I would like to see Jeanne doing something more...active? riskly? I would like to see if her has temperament,character,decision,
almost he told Nobu that she trust him...<3
..Nobu loves Jeanne? yes he does, but they don´t have time with all this mess.
..what a shame!

Mitsuhide is weaker than Nobunaga,
but also has interesting aspects, emotions and King Arthur enchantement blinded him,
he was hurted because Ichihime married.
He clings to his father cause he does´nt know what to do,
lost...,his doubts makes him an attractive character, unstable,
unpredictable...manipuladed ...(and he is a strategist!!)He felt lonely,
he also wanted to check out what´s happening with Arthur...
he does not want to believe that Nobu is the Destroyer King
the most important now is that he is ready to die...die trying to kill Nobu,
...die because Nobu noticed whats happening with his brother...
die in a kamikaze plan he has in mind finaly

Nobu in the other side is a straight line, that goes directly to the goal,
his feelings are there too... but he continue walking....he know what he wants,
and he know what he is, he has responsibilities with many around...

Jeanne and Mitsu doubts are not they fault,they feelings are there …
(and Arthur powers are too) ...Well anyway I enjoying so much watching this..
the only one that annoys me is Arthur...pffffff he is %&/%&”%·$%$·”·2@%!!!LoL
(but as villain is ok hahahaha) I don´t want this end!!!
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Mitsu noooooooooo!!!!!!!! don´t loss the faith in Nobu....
Ichihime trusted him,you have todo it ...
and I have to say i´m happy seeing... loves win someway... Himiko uncondicional love (well she has responsability as a magician..or whatever... I hate her less that before...
but I still hating that little girls being a women...
but I have to admit he is strong,love makes her strong,)
I would like to see Jeanne doing something more...active? riskly? I would like to see if her has temperament,character,decision,
almost he told Nobu that she trust him...<3
..Nobu loves Jeanne? yes he does, but they don´t have time with all this mess.
..what a shame!

Mitsuhide is weaker than Nobunaga,
but also has interesting aspects, emotions and King Arthur enchantement blinded him,
he was hurted because Ichihime married.
He clings to his father cause he does´nt know what to do,
lost...,his doubts makes him an attractive character, unstable,
unpredictable...manipuladed ...(and he is a strategist!!)He felt lonely,
he also wanted to check out what´s happening with Arthur...
he does not want to believe that Nobu is the Destroyer King
the most important now is that he is ready to die...die trying to kill Nobu,
...die because Nobu noticed whats happening with his brother...
die in a kamikaze plan he has in mind finaly

Nobu in the other side is a straight line, that goes directly to the goal,
his feelings are there too... but he continue walking....he know what he wants,
and he know what he is, he has responsibilities with many around...

Jeanne and Mitsu doubts are not they fault,they feelings are there …
(and Arthur powers are too) ...Well anyway I enjoying so much watching this..
the only one that annoys me is Arthur...pffffff he is %&/%&”%·$%$·”·2@%!!!LoL
(but as villain is ok hahahaha) I don´t want this end!!!
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The first scene and OP were extremely low quality :/

A confession interesting.

Mitsuhide you idiot.
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And the betrayal is complete...Arthur is going to burn, but the rest of the world may go with him.
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Mitsuhide, the real reason you're acting foolish is because you're pissed that your precious Ichihime actually loved Ceasar and totally ignored you in favor of dying by Ceasar's side. Why can't you just admit it?

That King Arthur sure can sweet talk...and brain wash. >__>
If my Japanese history serves me correctly, Mitsuhide really did kill Nobunaga. However, I doubt that's going to happen here.

I was waiting for this...

Almost laughed myself into a coughing fit over it.

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Finally an "Et tu, Brute ?" .
What is doing that blonde hamster there ( at Arthur's palace with Alexander and the others) I thought she/he is dead already... or it was a clone ? (if it was then this is looking more and more like Star Wars )
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Oh no.. Himeko at least you must not die !!
Mitsu is really useless.. just go and die a brutal death man.
Does Arthur even have a face ? lol.
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Himiko is totally rushing to her death.. ):
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Pretty decent buildup looking forward to the end! Let's see what happens next.
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Damn, King Arthur is brainwashing everyone he meets. I'm guessing Himiko is going to die soon too...
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Everyone seems to becoming and more and more reckless.
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I don't think Himiko will survive, she's too resolved at this point. Only Nobu can stop her and I have a feeling he'll be having his hands full with the devil.

I think I'll stay away from discussing Mitsu this time, there's a lot of different ways you can perceive his fall based on the writing style of the show.
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MOstly you can just see it as shitty writing.
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