Nagi no Asukara Episode 20 Discussion

Zeally said:


wat there is nothing to spoil. It's not like there is manga that the anime is based off of. As far as I know, it's an anime original series. The preview doesn't really give away anything..... except well Manaka is back o_o.

ScazoN said:
does anyone else love the OP?




Hell yes!

jiraiya_sensei said:


Just because Tsumugu has reached that stage then he's better than Miuna? Tsumugu's far older and has went through that experience earlier than Miuna. He was surprised that he was even happy when Hikari woke up, that means until VERY RECENTLY he was feeling & doing the same the thing as Miuna. He kept researching about Shioshishio while secretly hoping the people never wake up. How does that different than what Miuna's doing right now?

Don't talk like people aren't allowed to be conflicted. Selfishness is a very human thing, everyone in this series has suffered through it at one point or another. So what if ONE PART of Miuna hopes that she gets to keep Hikari for herself? How exactly does that define who she is as a person? everyone has different facades, you and me included. The good part, the evil part, the unselfish part, the selfish part.. the combination of it all makes up who we are. Did Miuna not show her unselfish side by helping Hikari find Manaka? did she not spent a lot of time researching how to wake someone up from a slumber? why only focus on her selfish part and ignore her sacrifices?

People often do one thing while thinking another. People are also able to love and to hate at the same time. Ultimately it's what we did in the end that matters, not what we think. I swear people are gonna hate me if they are able to read my mind every damn time. Thinking ill or not approving of something never stopped me from being nice or do things I don't want to do though. I still helped people I don't exactly like or do tasks I'm not exactly fond of. I'm sure you and everyone else has had the same experience throughout your life.

ryoudachi said:

I should have been clear with my post. What differs Tsumugu from Miuna is that Tsumugu realized his real intentions by himself, and use that realization to change. Miuna on the other hand is being helpful to others even though she knows she has different intentions, an example would be when they went to Shioshishio. She has already been told by the Sea God of her real intentions - that she just wants to go and see Shioshishio, saving Manaka won't be even in her mind if not for Hikari and Kaname's presence. Now did she do something after that revelation? Did she use that revelation to change herself? No.

That's why most of the people dislikes Miuna, because even she is spoon fed and still wants more. She is selfish, Tsumugu is selfish, everyone is selfish, but everyone and Tsumugu changed. The sea people didn't change because their time was paused. Tsumugu is older than Miuna but both of them met Hikari, Kaname, Chisaki, and Manaka at the same time. They witnessed what happened to the four of them during the Ofunehiki at the same time. They both approached Hikari when he surfaced at the same time and both of them are happy that Hikari came back. They went through all the experiences regarding the sea people at the same time. Tsumugu is already contented with what relationship he has with them but Miuna wants more - more than what she can have.

Takei_Hisa said:
http://imgur.com/ZqGxZA8 WHEN WAS THIS?

THIS IS MIUNA RIGHT?

redtailrav said:


Me!!!! <3

jiraiya_sensei said:


Tsumugu only realized his intention AFTER Hikari woke up, how does that make him better than Miuna? How do you know Miuna won't be happy once Manaka wakes up too? What, just because Tsumugu had a talk with Miuna about his earlier experience then he's better? Even if Uroko did talk to her about her real intention, how does that make her a bad person exactly? did you not read my explanation about people having all kinds of feelings inside one's heart? so what if her real intention wasn't 100% pure? how does that mean that there's no part of her that wants to help Manaka? if she's as evil as people portray her to be then she would have done NOTHING to help Hikari and Manaka, yet she DID. Why do people keep ignoring that?

Many times we don't even know what we want until it actually happens. That's why Tsumugu only realized his true feelings once Hikari & Kaname woke up, that's why Miuna may not even realize that Manaka waking up would make her happy too. Are you telling me that throughout your life, you figured everything out by yourself? are you telling me you never asked for advices from people who went through the same problem as yours? are you telling me that because someone can't figure something by themselves, they should be considered low? a 14 years-old Tsumugu may even act like a 14 years-old Miuna should he ever be put in her situation.

"Tsumugu is already contented" Who the fuck are you kidding? he loves Chisaki and I'm pretty sure deep down in his heart he would rather have Chisaki for himself. Why do you think he wished the sea people would never wake up (that includes Chisaki's REAL family too)? Why do you think he "declared" war against Kaname?

ryoudachi said:
I only told you one of many reasons why most people don't like her

ryoudachi said:

Why do keep on asking if Miuna is a bad person when I only told you what she is doing in the series? Why do you interpret and twist my words as something against Miuna when I only told you the flow of the series? Why do keep on thinking that disliking or even hating a character means that character is bad? Why do you insist that I think she is a bad person when I only told you one of many reasons why most people don't like her? Didn't you say what makes up a person is their good and bad part? All of us haven't seen the ending - the conclusion - so why did you conclude that I think Miuna is bad person overall when what I told you is just a portion of her overall character?

ryoudachi said:
Both of them are 14 years old when they realized their real intentions.

ryoudachi said:

Fast forward to the present, Tsumugu is happy when Hikari and Kaname came back even though he regards them as love rivals while it's still yet to be seen if Miuna will be happy when Manaka woke up. When Hikari and Kaname came back Tsumugu had another realization that he can't change the fact that his relationship with Chisaki and the sea people is just as is - he is a land person while they are sea people. Manaka already woke up but it's still yet to be seen if Miuna will have another realization or none at all, and this will a turning point of the story and for the viewers as it will tell more about Miuna which will affect the plot of the series.

ryoudachi said:
Tsumugu is already contented with their relationship (he's from the land, they are from the sea) after the second realization. That's why he thought that he can at least change one thing, and that is the relationship that involves romance. He declared war to Kaname as a man who has romantic feelings for Chisaki and he expects Kaname to take him seriously, regardless if they are from a different world

Saskura said:


I think people need a deeper understanding of Tsugumu before calling him out as a douche or asshole. He's been an outsider to these four ever since they met him. It was very subtle and in his few lines of the show, it shows that he longs to be with the sea people and what it's like.

He respects the relationships of the 4 main characters, always on the sidelines. He has helped them in their own goals but never makes a move to be closer because for 1) He has emotion issues, as stated in Ep. 20 with Miuna (being envious of Hikari's passion) 2) He knows if he tries to make a move with Chisaki, it would change things dramatically with her and the others. He doesn't know what to do. He is afraid of losing her. But he can't really do anything since he's always on the side.

He has room for some development. He cares for everyone and helps them out. But his personality and his role in the show isn't as impacting as it could be like Miuna.

It's really easy to call him out because of what little lines, emotions and role he plays in this show. But in my perspective, he has his own internal issues himself. All of these characters are growing, as slowly or as fast as you might not like.

Lyrisia said:
The way Manaka woke up was pretty fun xD

And I still wonder when did tsumugu begin to like chisaki... I thought he liked manaka and when did chisaki begin to like tsumugu??? if she even likes him...

Lyrisia said:
The way Manaka woke up was pretty fun xD

And I still wonder when did tsumugu begin to like chisaki... I thought he liked manaka and when did chisaki begin to like tsumugu??? if she even likes him...

Takuan_Soho said:

He started to fall in love with her when he saw her struggling as second fiddle to Manaka for Hikari's affection. Of the four, she was the one who, to him, seemed most like the outsider in the group, which he could totally sympathize with. For Chisaki it was the same thing, but she herself didn't realize it until the festival when she was forced to decide and she decided on Tsumugu.

jiraiya_sensei said:


Because you kept on insisting that her real intention isn't pure as your reason for disliking the character. A lot of people seem to hate Miuna "just because" and made her out to be the "bad girl". Forgive me for thinking you may be one of them but still your reason for not liking her is contradictory since you do agree with me that a person is made up of his/her good and bad side, which means it's should be okay for Miuna to have some selfish wishes while still doing her best for Manaka's sake. From my impressions of the haters' reasoning for the past few weeks, it's almost as if they're expecting Miuna to be some sort of angel with no ill intention. She isn't allowed to be selfish, she isn't allowed to have a even little "flaw" in her reasoning, in fact she isn't even allowed to be happy (some were hating her when Hikari flirt with her, yeah it was Hikari who initiated it yet they blamed Miuna).



Go watch this episode again, he said that all this time he had been secretly wishing that the sea people wouldn't wake up because he's scared of losing Chisaki but once Hikari and Kaname woke up, he was happy. He even felt that it's weird that he's happy, which means not only he has just realize it after 5 years, he also doesn't know what he truly wants. Miuna is no different than him right now in that she doesn't even know what she really wants. You said Uroko made her realize her true intention but there was also a part of her that wish to believe that she wants Manaka to wake up, the same way that Tsumugu may not even realize that what he truly wished for is Chisaki's happiness and the only way for that is for the sea people to wake up. I believe that's why he was happy when Hikari and Kaname woke up and he hasn't realized it yet.



Miuna was already (sort of) friends with Manaka during the Ofunehiki preparation, why shouldn't she feel happy that she wakes up? you think she didn't know the consequences when she first helped Hikari find Manaka? in any case, I don't think people can really blame her even if she's not throwing a party over Manaka waking up. That still doesn't mean that she's unhappy with it. One could be just indifferent to things although with the way the story was told, Miuna's talk with Tsumugu was clearly meant to set up her realization that she is happy that Manaka wakes up after all.



Sea people marrying land people wasn't exactly uncommon. The fact that Chisaki's from the sea and Tsumugu's a land people is insignificant since sea people who left the sea would just lose their ena anyway. Tsumugu is like one of those guys who thinks that if you spend enough time with a girl, she'll eventually fall in love with you. That's why he secretly wished that the sea people never wake up. That's why even after all these years, he never put a definitive move on Chisaki. He was never contend with their relationship to begin with, he wanted more yet for many reasons he didn't make any move. One thing for sure, it was never because she's from the sea and he's from the land. He was only prompted to take his feelings more seriously once his rivals wake up, sort of like someone who panics because what he thought was going to happen easily, has just become so much more complicated.

barriedude said:
Just trowing this out here,

I dont get Tsumugu's personality and i dont want to get it. Everyone in the show had their share of pain,
Tsumugu, sayu and miuna are the only ones who havent lost anything and gained everything. At this rate i hope nobody gets together except manaka and hikari (i dont even care if they dont end up together). Mr perfect still gets on my nerves, I do admit its not as bad as in the start of the series, but i still cant like him.
Just go back to the damn city and find a new life there, and leave the sea people alone.

jiraiya_sensei said:

Sea people marrying land people wasn't exactly uncommon. The fact that Chisaki's from the sea and Tsumugu's a land people is insignificant since sea people who left the sea would just lose their ena anyway.

jiraiya_sensei said:


Because you kept on insisting that her real intention isn't pure as your reason for disliking the character. A lot of people seem to hate Miuna "just because" and made her out to be the "bad girl". Forgive me for thinking you may be one of them but still your reason for not liking her is contradictory since you do agree with me that a person is made up of his/her good and bad side, which means it's should be okay for Miuna to have some selfish wishes while still doing her best for Manaka's sake. From my impressions of the haters' reasoning for the past few weeks, it's almost as if they're expecting Miuna to be some sort of angel with no ill intention. She isn't allowed to be selfish, she isn't allowed to have a even little "flaw" in her reasoning, in fact she isn't even allowed to be happy (some were hating her when Hikari flirt with her, yeah it was Hikari who initiated it yet they blamed Miuna).



Go watch this episode again, he said that all this time he had been secretly wishing that the sea people wouldn't wake up because he's scared of losing Chisaki but once Hikari and Kaname woke up, he was happy. He even felt that it's weird that he's happy, which means not only he has just realize it after 5 years, he also doesn't know what he truly wants. Miuna is no different than him right now in that she doesn't even know what she really wants. You said Uroko made her realize her true intention but there was also a part of her that wish to believe that she wants Manaka to wake up, the same way that Tsumugu may not even realize that what he truly wished for is Chisaki's happiness and the only way for that is for the sea people to wake up. I believe that's why he was happy when Hikari and Kaname woke up and he hasn't realized it yet.



Miuna was already (sort of) friends with Manaka during the Ofunehiki preparation, why shouldn't she feel happy that she wakes up? you think she didn't know the consequences when she first helped Hikari find Manaka? in any case, I don't think people can really blame her even if she's not throwing a party over Manaka waking up. That still doesn't mean that she's unhappy with it. One could be just indifferent to things although with the way the story was told, Miuna's talk with Tsumugu was clearly meant to set up her realization that she is happy that Manaka wakes up after all.



Sea people marrying land people wasn't exactly uncommon. The fact that Chisaki's from the sea and Tsumugu's a land people is insignificant since sea people who left the sea would just lose their ena anyway. Tsumugu is like one of those guys who thinks that if you spend enough time with a girl, she'll eventually fall in love with you. That's why he secretly wished that the sea people never wake up. That's why even after all these years, he never put a definitive move on Chisaki. He was never contend with their relationship to begin with, he wanted more yet for many reasons he didn't make any move. One thing for sure, it was never because she's from the sea and he's from the land. He was only prompted to take his feelings more seriously once his rivals wake up, sort of like someone who panics because what he thought was going to happen easily, has just become so much more complicated.