| Why is this show being rated so unfavorably? Is it the art? Or are people really this tasteless? |
SolviteSekai said: Or are people really this tasteless? I can see how this is gonna evolve into a shitstorm. |
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| It's projected not to sell either of course most of this season isn't projected to sell either. |
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Hoppy said: It's projected not to sell either of course most of this season isn't projected to sell either. It won't sell?! |
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Immahnoob said: Hoppy said: It's projected not to sell either of course most of this season isn't projected to sell either. It won't sell?! The only anime projected to sell well in the BD department are Monogatari, Free, and Symphogear G. |
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Hoppy said: Immahnoob said: Hoppy said: It's projected not to sell either of course most of this season isn't projected to sell either. It won't sell?! The only anime projected to sell well in the BD department are Monogatari, Free, and Symphogear G. Free! won't flop...? What. |
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GoldenBRS said: probably because they hate magic YEAH YOU NAILED IT. And uh, most people hate it because it's a ~total ripoff of Madoka~, the odd character designs, and the ~edginess.~ I think it's alright, maybe 6/10 material. Also it's still airing so when it finishes all the people who dropped it and scored it will be gone + the score will raise when people rate it, probably. |
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nnangle said: ihateeveryone said: Eh?Also it's still airing so when it finishes all the people who dropped it and scored it will be gone. If people dropped this on lets say, episode 2 and scored it a 1, then their score still counts towards the anime. However, after it finishes airing, MAL doesn't count any scores given to shows that are only.. I think it's 33% complete? Either way people who dropped it from episodes 1 -3 and rated it won't have their scores counted. |
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| I guess we'll see how much the rating will go up. Don't get the low score either, since I think that this series has been one of the best of the season. the season has been pretty mediocre though. |
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| Even though I haven't catch up I don't think something below 7,5 is suitable for this. |
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ihateeveryone said: And uh, most people hate it because it's a ~total ripoff of Madoka~, the odd character designs, and the ~edginess.~ I think it's alright, maybe 6/10 material. A 6 being lower than a 6.85, actually... Although a 6.85 average MAL rating is about equivalent to a 2 in a world where numbers mean things. Anyway, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's rated low because it isn't very good. It's not the worst thing of the season imo - I'm watching one thing worse than it (Fantasista Doll), and I'm sure there are plenty of things I'm not watching that are worse. That doesn't change the fact that it still isn't very good. The fact that it's so similar to/an obvious clone of Madoka Magica doesn't help, because it's just inviting a comparison between the two. And not much looks good when compared to Meguca. I mean, I want to go and explain some of the problems with the show, but it would all boil down to "and here's why Madoka is better", which isn't fair. So I'll keep quiet. |
ihateeveryone said: ~total ripoff of Madoka~ Definitely some similarities, what with being mahou shoujo genre and all, plus there's a couple really dubious scenes like the Mami/art student getting eaten (I ~want~ to believe it's an homage I really do) that are hard to miss, but storywise they're quite separate and unalike. But I think you're absolutely correct on that count - that it was (unfairly prejudged as) a 1:1 "Madoka ripoff" before the first episode was even finished airing and that opinion was hammered home on every discussion board everywhere, doing this show no favors. I feel it is its own thing and it's a pretty good thing at that. It's a shame that it will never be taken up by any viewers beyond those who have already ignored the kneejerk accusations and judged the show on its own merits themselves. I dunno why I have such a strong attachment to this show. It's no AOTS/AOTY by any stretch, but I do feel its been given an unfair shake this season. If it keeps giving us good episodes like the Ginka one last week and this week's Seira episode, I'll personally probably score the full series a 7-7.5 overall and if they pull off something really good - as each episode seems to outdo the last - an 8 isn't out of the question (reminder to self: I need to revise my existing scores because I'm waaaay too soft and forgiving and hand out high scores like candy) |
| Y'know, it probably has to do with the fact that this anime is bad. At least other bad animes are entertaining despite their flaws, whereas this one is just dull. There is nowhere near the anime of the season. First of all, the episodes are all the same. Person with life problem shows up, person makes deal, person becomes daemonia, person says something apparently heartwarming, person dies, a magical girl from the main four says something ~*~meaningful~*~. It wouldn't be so bad if this in itself wasn't flawed. I don't care about these characters. I know they're going to die/only show for this one ep if they don't. I'm not emotionally involved in their dull sob stories. Secondly, there's how seriously this anime takes itself. This anime doesn't work being straight up dark because it's not really doing the dark aspects that well. Yeah it's gonna get compared to Madoka anyway, so I'll just go ahead and say it - it's not doing dark as well as Madoka did. And even then, Madoka had the balls to actually involve some humour. It also had good animation, good characters, good villains, and a good story. Y'know, things this anime lacks. |
| This anime is not a ripoff of Madoka. Madoka is a masochism anime about little girls being sad. This is a violent anime about little girls killing people. I shouldnt have typed the line about taste. It was wrong. It just doesn't make sense how this anime can be rated so low on a site that glorifies other similar anime. |
ihateeveryone said: nnangle said: ihateeveryone said: Eh?Also it's still airing so when it finishes all the people who dropped it and scored it will be gone. If people dropped this on lets say, episode 2 and scored it a 1, then their score still counts towards the anime. However, after it finishes airing, MAL doesn't count any scores given to shows that are only.. I think it's 33% complete? Either way people who dropped it from episodes 1 -3 and rated it won't have their scores counted. Standard is 20% or 1/5 for a complete show. |
2_Steps_Ahead said: How you count 20% of 12 then?ihateeveryone said: nnangle said: ihateeveryone said: Eh?Also it's still airing so when it finishes all the people who dropped it and scored it will be gone. If people dropped this on lets say, episode 2 and scored it a 1, then their score still counts towards the anime. However, after it finishes airing, MAL doesn't count any scores given to shows that are only.. I think it's 33% complete? Either way people who dropped it from episodes 1 -3 and rated it won't have their scores counted. Standard is 20% or 1/5 for a complete show. |
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NeoAnkara said: 2_Steps_Ahead said: How you count 20% of 12 then?ihateeveryone said: nnangle said: ihateeveryone said: Eh?Also it's still airing so when it finishes all the people who dropped it and scored it will be gone. If people dropped this on lets say, episode 2 and scored it a 1, then their score still counts towards the anime. However, after it finishes airing, MAL doesn't count any scores given to shows that are only.. I think it's 33% complete? Either way people who dropped it from episodes 1 -3 and rated it won't have their scores counted. Standard is 20% or 1/5 for a complete show. Average will be 3 ep.Because mal calculates in positive way. |
| As of right now, I would give it a 6. I feel like it's so-so. It has some good ideas but a good deal of it feels forced and lazy. I'll refrain from a final score/opinion until the series is over, so that may change. I disagree with the people who say it's a Madoka Magica rip off though. They both deal with similar themes and use dark tones, but in separate ways to tell their own stories. |
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straggy said: Secondly, there's how seriously this anime takes itself. This anime doesn't work being straight up dark because it's not really doing the dark aspects that well. Yeah it's gonna get compared to Madoka anyway, so I'll just go ahead and say it - it's not doing dark as well as Madoka did. And even then, Madoka had the balls to actually involve some humour. It also had good animation, good characters, good villains, and a good story. Y'know, things this anime lacks.  Yes. Good animation... for a laugh. While I do feel the show has yet to really go anywhere, I'm liking how it's handled so far. It's been open about the dark tone so far, rather than trying to play the shock value game, spending a few episodes pretending to be something it's not and then whipping out a graphic death just to make people say "HOLY CRAP! THIS IS AMAZING!" Right from the trailer we knew we would be going into something kinda dark, as opposed to getting this for a trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCb_GyEVOJg As of episode 6 I'm very pleased with the characters. They've been shown to actually develop and grow as people, unlike in another show where the characters feel like mere set-pieces to knock around, piling more suffering on them until they're ready to die, or suddenly snap into hero mode and save the day. The worst the characters seem to get is people complain about Akari wanting to hear the voices of the daemonia, expecting a twelve year old in a magical girl show to be a heartless killing machine. As of episode 6 we know so little about the villains. Now that the setting and characters have been established, the heavy stuff will probably come in the second half. |
| It's MAL, most people on here have shit tastes. Not to mention people are constantly comparing it to Madoka and if it does one thing a tiny bit worse than Madoka those people are gonna flip shit. The main thing this show lacks is pacing on it's character development. This is because they change scenes where shit hits the fan before anyone can show any difference in their character and then they wait until the very last second to show all that bottled up development, to the point where it comes out faster than we can feel anything for the character, be that dislike, sadness, etc etc. Yes, the show has flaws, but those flaws don't even come close to earning the low rating in comparison to the other crap on this website that's rated so high. |
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straggy said: Y'know, it probably has to do with the fact that this anime is bad. At least other bad animes are entertaining despite their flaws, whereas this one is just dull. There is nowhere near the anime of the season. First of all, the episodes are all the same. Person with life problem shows up, person makes deal, person becomes daemonia, person says something apparently heartwarming, person dies, a magical girl from the main four says something ~*~meaningful~*~. It wouldn't be so bad if this in itself wasn't flawed. I don't care about these characters. I know they're going to die/only show for this one ep if they don't. I'm not emotionally involved in their dull sob stories. Secondly, there's how seriously this anime takes itself. This anime doesn't work being straight up dark because it's not really doing the dark aspects that well. Yeah it's gonna get compared to Madoka anyway, so I'll just go ahead and say it - it's not doing dark as well as Madoka did. And even then, Madoka had the balls to actually involve some humour. It also had good animation, good characters, good villains, and a good story. Y'know, things this anime lacks. While I wouldn't say this show is great by any means, keep in mind that 6.85 on MAL is a pretty bad score...and there are a lot of anime that are much, MUCH worse than this that get higher scores. I mean, look at some of the crap that's rated higher than this series so far (from this anime year)... Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge Devil Survivor 2 Inu To Hasami wa Tsukaiyou Both seasons of Senyuu Kotoura-san Kakumeiki Valvrave Yondemasuyo, Azazel-san Z ...and that's just a few of the anime I've seen that I'd say this series is better than. I guess perhaps the question isn't so much "why is this series rated a 6.85"...the question is why is it rated a 6.85 and there are so many worse anime rated higher? I know generally speaking, anime ratings are always subjective and everyone has different tastes...but I seriously sometimes wonder what the hell causes people to rate certain anime so high and so low. |
| You're answering your question then asking the question again, Toucanbird. Toucanbird said: I know generally speaking, anime ratings are always subjective and everyone has different tastes...but I seriously sometimes wonder what the hell causes people to rate certain anime so high and so low. And even in the same phrase. Can you guys objectively say that this anime is bad? No, you can't. Can you say it's objectively good? No, not even that. What matters the most? If it sells... Will this sell? Probably not. Popularity is everything in art. There are no technical rules for something to be defined good or bad, they either pander for the majority or they don't. I'll probably rate this a 10 after I start it, because I love the OSTs, the art is okay and after hearing what happens in episode 1, I can't wait to start it. |
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Immahnoob said: You're answering your question then asking the question again, Toucanbird. Toucanbird said: I know generally speaking, anime ratings are always subjective and everyone has different tastes...but I seriously sometimes wonder what the hell causes people to rate certain anime so high and so low. And even in the same phrase. Can you guys objectively say that this anime is bad? No, you can't. Can you say it's objectively good? No, not even that. What matters the most? If it sells... Will this sell? Probably not. Popularity is everything in art. There are no technical rules for something to be defined good or bad, they either pander for the majority or they don't. I'll probably rate this a 10 after I start it, because I love the OSTs, the art is okay and after hearing what happens in episode 1, I can't wait to start it. That's because I'm giving him a general answer and an answer from my own personal perspective. I'm not one that likes to mock people for what they like and don't like. However, at the same time, it makes me question what they're thinking when they like said anime. Is that a weird answer? Kinda...it's along the lines of saying, "I respect what you like and don't like, but I really don't understand what you're thinking when you rate certain anime that high or that low." That's what I was getting at. For me personally, I can't understand why this anime is being rated so low. My only guess would be there were a lot of Madoka fans that gave this a watch and said, "OMG, this is shit in comparison to Madoka Magica! It pares in comparison to the great Gen Urobuchi! What a rip-off!" ...if I had to guess... |
| But you answered yourself, they like those things you didn't like or the opposite. I can tell you that I loved Infinite Stratos because I love harems, they're just fun to watch. The whole idea of somebody being incredibly OP is appealing. You rated it 4. I rated it 8. |
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Immahnoob said: But you answered yourself, they like those things you didn't like or the opposite. I can tell you that I loved Infinite Stratos because I love harems, they're just fun to watch. The whole idea of somebody being incredibly OP is appealing. You rated it 4. I rated it 8. I didn't hate IS because the lead was OP though. I hated it because I found many of the characters to be annoying and nonsensical. Well, I also docked it a point or two for botching a perfect ending. I have a love/hate relationship with harem anime. When done well, they can be very entertaining, but if they make the characters incredibly annoying, it's just a miserable watch. ...wait, why are we talking about Infinite Stratos in a Genei wo Kakeru Taiyou thread? |
Toucanbird said: Immahnoob said: But you answered yourself, they like those things you didn't like or the opposite. I can tell you that I loved Infinite Stratos because I love harems, they're just fun to watch. The whole idea of somebody being incredibly OP is appealing. You rated it 4. I rated it 8. I didn't hate IS because the lead was OP though. I hated it because I found many of the characters to be annoying and nonsensical. Well, I also docked it a point or two for botching a perfect ending. I have a love/hate relationship with harem anime. When done well, they can be very entertaining, but if they make the characters incredibly annoying, it's just a miserable watch. ...wait, why are we talking about Infinite Stratos in a Genei wo Kakeru Taiyou thread? I wanted to give you an example. |
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| 6.85 is well above a 5, which means average on MAL. You should be mad at all people that rate in such a way that a 6.85 can be considered "unfavorably" here - especially since this series is still unfinished. But then again, you belong to them as well... |
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| Its rated like shit cuz people are too busy rating Shingeki no Kyojin 10/10 while it doesnt deserve such a rate. |
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Nidhoeggr said: But the fact is that 7 is the average score in MAL according to mal.oko.im this mean that this series is below average.6.85 is well above a 5, which means average on MAL. You should be mad at all people that rate in such a way that a 6.85 can be considered "unfavorably" here - especially since this series is still unfinished. But then again, you belong to them as well... |
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| I love Madoka Magica, but the animation in this anime is 100 times better than the animation in Madoka. Lets face facts, Shaft isn't known for their animation. You could argue that Madoka has better ART, but even that would be a serious stretch. But the combat scenes in this anime are strikingly beautiful when in motion. Haters. |
| If the chara design wasnt crap maybe but it isnt. And Madoka's animation is really good man are you sure we watched the same animes ? |
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Tsukuyomi-Ryuku said: If the chara design wasnt crap maybe but it isnt. And Madoka's animation is really good man are you sure we watched the same animes ? Do you understand the difference between art and animation? |
| I'm surprised at how polarizing the character designs and art style is. There seems to be only two opinions and they lie at the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum - either you're the sort who thinks the style looks absolutely fantastic (I'm firmly in that camp) or you find it completely repulsive - there seems to be no middle-of-the-road opinions about it. Two things that I personally like about it are: The stylized skinny limb (with joints and detail to structure as opposed to that awful low-effort "noodle limb" style) character designs are pretty neat and unique, as are the costumes (even given only their silhouettes, you'd have zero trouble identifying which character is who and yet somehow there's a distinct harmony to the main foursome's radically different character outfits). The color palettes they use for both characters and background elements work really well, too. When I first read up on this show a couple months ago and saw previews I fell in love with the art style immediately. I find it weird that anyone would think it's actually terrible, but beauty, eye of the beholder blah blah etc. etc. |
ParpyAug 11, 2013 7:41 PM
Tsukuyomi-Ryuku said: Its rated like shit cuz people are too busy rating Shingeki no Kyojin 10/10 while it doesnt deserve such a rate. I don't know about that. I think SnK is pretty damn good and 10/10 material. However, I am in agreement with the OP that 6.85/10 seems a bit low. Personally, if I had to rate this show now, I'd probably put it in the 7.5-8/10 range (I'd have to use 7 since MAL's rating system isn't very specific). I guess I'm not helping the early ratings since I refuse to rate shows until they're completed. |
| The art should not be enough to drop a show all the wat to 6.85. Higurashi has an 8+ and it has the most horrendous art ive ever seen. Granted, higurashi is much better than this show, but you should get my point. |
| I've said this before, people have different tastes. But the majority have what you would call "bad taste". If the majority all had what you would call bad taste, the bad taste would be "good taste". |
Toucanbird said: ...and that's just a few of the anime I've seen that I'd say this series is better than. I guess perhaps the question isn't so much "why is this series rated a 6.85"...the question is why is it rated a 6.85 and there are so many worse anime rated higher? I answered that for you already. "At least other bad animes are entertaining despite their flaws, whereas this one is just dull." This anime has little to no enjoyment value because it's boring. Straight up. I ranked Kakumeiki Valvrave 10/10 personally because it was vastly entertaining with characters I felt really engaged with despite its flaws. It was controversial, yeah, but I was excited to watch it every week and I actually wanted to see another ep when the one I'd seen had just ended. The art style was really nice too, whereas this anime's is... very much not. Ginka in particular has a really awful character design. |
| The art is good, but I don't care for the series so far. |
| I haven't watched this anime nor am I planning to, but regarding Immahnoob said: What matters the most? If it sells... Will this sell? Probably not. Genei wo Kakeru Taiyou has a preliminary first week sales estimate of 0.7k, which probably isn't even close to breaking even. Unless things drastically change, it'll stay far below the Manabi line. You can read more about the preliminary season sales rankings on http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=643523&show=2 |
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| Well, this is pretty good for a starter ponygon123 said: You can never trust a show rating till after it is aired. Steins Gate and Shinsekai Yori had very low scores at first but they greatly improved. Well, both of them were boring at the beginning... But this hm.. a bit different? Well, I hope this worth watching Toucanbird said: straggy said: Y'know, it probably has to do with the fact that this anime is bad. At least other bad animes are entertaining despite their flaws, whereas this one is just dull. There is nowhere near the anime of the season. First of all, the episodes are all the same. Person with life problem shows up, person makes deal, person becomes daemonia, person says something apparently heartwarming, person dies, a magical girl from the main four says something ~*~meaningful~*~. It wouldn't be so bad if this in itself wasn't flawed. I don't care about these characters. I know they're going to die/only show for this one ep if they don't. I'm not emotionally involved in their dull sob stories. Secondly, there's how seriously this anime takes itself. This anime doesn't work being straight up dark because it's not really doing the dark aspects that well. Yeah it's gonna get compared to Madoka anyway, so I'll just go ahead and say it - it's not doing dark as well as Madoka did. And even then, Madoka had the balls to actually involve some humour. It also had good animation, good characters, good villains, and a good story. Y'know, things this anime lacks. While I wouldn't say this show is great by any means, keep in mind that 6.85 on MAL is a pretty bad score...and there are a lot of anime that are much, MUCH worse than this that get higher scores. I mean, look at some of the crap that's rated higher than this series so far (from this anime year)... Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge Devil Survivor 2 Inu To Hasami wa Tsukaiyou Both seasons of Senyuu Kotoura-san Kakumeiki Valvrave Yondemasuyo, Azazel-san Z ...and that's just a few of the anime I've seen that I'd say this series is better than. I guess perhaps the question isn't so much "why is this series rated a 6.85"...the question is why is it rated a 6.85 and there are so many worse anime rated higher? I know generally speaking, anime ratings are always subjective and everyone has different tastes...but I seriously sometimes wonder what the hell causes people to rate certain anime so high and so low. I like you my friend xD But kotoura a bit disappointing in chara development.. And DS2 I don't know.. everyone saying it's too cliched? Toucanbird said: Immahnoob said: But you answered yourself, they like those things you didn't like or the opposite. I can tell you that I loved Infinite Stratos because I love harems, they're just fun to watch. The whole idea of somebody being incredibly OP is appealing. You rated it 4. I rated it 8. I didn't hate IS because the lead was OP though. I hated it because I found many of the characters to be annoying and nonsensical. Well, I also docked it a point or two for botching a perfect ending. I have a love/hate relationship with harem anime. When done well, they can be very entertaining, but if they make the characters incredibly annoying, it's just a miserable watch. ...wait, why are we talking about Infinite Stratos in a Genei wo Kakeru Taiyou thread? Welcome to the interne... oh wait I mean MAL Toucanbird said: Tsukuyomi-Ryuku said: Its rated like shit cuz people are too busy rating Shingeki no Kyojin 10/10 while it doesnt deserve such a rate. I don't know about that. I think SnK is pretty damn good and 10/10 material. However, I am in agreement with the OP that 6.85/10 seems a bit low. Personally, if I had to rate this show now, I'd probably put it in the 7.5-8/10 range (I'd have to use 7 since MAL's rating system isn't very specific). I guess I'm not helping the early ratings since I refuse to rate shows until they're completed. Actually I'm a bit agree with Tsukuyomi Yes SNK is pretty good, but it's too overated especially it's currently airing.. Maybe there's so many manga-reader(ofc big fans too) that scored this too And well it's become famous too fast like SAO, I don't like this situation :( |
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