akira25ysai said: Iner7ia said: tsudecimo said: Seems you are not watching the same anime as everyone else , out of all the girls sena has the best chance to end up with Kodaka . ( has the most moments with kodaka , most of the screen time , gonna have a big development with kodaka don't wanna spoil it .) Well if that's the way it's going to turn out, it's disappointing. Hopefully they don't make me regret watching it. Exactly, I don't want to be disappointed too.. Sure is Sena has a lot moments with Kodaka but who knows..maybe it will be someone other than Sena or Kodaka will end up w/ no one at all.. It all depends on what route the author takes im pretty sure by the end of the novel someone is gonna end up with him. Just a heads up the anime is not gonna have a romantic conclusive ending ( like kodaka ending up with someone) a lot of interesting stuff gonna happen tho. |
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tsudecimo said: akira25ysai said: Iner7ia said: tsudecimo said: Seems you are not watching the same anime as everyone else , out of all the girls sena has the best chance to end up with Kodaka . ( has the most moments with kodaka , most of the screen time , gonna have a big development with kodaka don't wanna spoil it .) Well if that's the way it's going to turn out, it's disappointing. Hopefully they don't make me regret watching it. Exactly, I don't want to be disappointed too.. Sure is Sena has a lot moments with Kodaka but who knows..maybe it will be someone other than Sena or Kodaka will end up w/ no one at all.. It all depends on what route the author takes im pretty sure by the end of the novel someone is gonna end up with him. Just a heads up the anime is not gonna have a romantic conclusive ending ( like kodaka ending up with someone) a lot of interesting stuff gonna happen tho. I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD |
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GodlyKyon said: - Because Yozora is a bitch and Sena is the antithesis - Because Sena is a creep on Kobato, it's okay if it's hot girl, otherwise if it's the older brother - Because Sena plays games, and is relatively nice to everyone - Because Sena is violent or abusive when she denies her feelings - Because Sena tries to make friends with Yozora, while she blantly refuses and is stubborn - Because Sena is good looking, like you said. - Because Sena is a focused heroine, the more exposed you are to one that is likable, the more you usually like them probably more -Sena is also a bitch, just in a different way -Who cares if Sena is a creep on Kobato -Sena isn't that nice, just superficial. She actually just thinks she's better than everyone. -Sena is violent when she denies her feelings, but I think it's better the way that Yozora just gets embarrassed -Sena and Yozora definitely are friends, otherwise they wouldn't fight so much -I don't think Sena is good looking. She's just a stereotypical dumb blonde with big tits. I think Yozora looks better, and Rika does too but I don't like Rika's personality. -Yozora is just as exposed and focused as Sena That's my view. akira25ysai said: I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD Glad I'm not the only one :) |
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Djisas said: She is still my favorite, Meat has no redeeming features besides her meats... THIS made laugh so hard. :D |
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akira25ysai said: I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD same :) |
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Iner7ia said: Yozora is just as exposed and focused as Sena Lol clearly not . Sena has more screen time than any other girl in the show and gonna have bigger events in this season than yozora just like the previous season. I personally love both Sena & Yozora just because you like on of them doesn't mean you have to hate the other. Although i like both of them maybe even like yozora more than sena but i think Kodaka x sena is a better couple . |
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Iner7ia said: GodlyKyon said: - Because Yozora is a bitch and Sena is the antithesis - Because Sena is a creep on Kobato, it's okay if it's hot girl, otherwise if it's the older brother - Because Sena plays games, and is relatively nice to everyone - Because Sena is violent or abusive when she denies her feelings - Because Sena tries to make friends with Yozora, while she blantly refuses and is stubborn - Because Sena is good looking, like you said. - Because Sena is a focused heroine, the more exposed you are to one that is likable, the more you usually like them probably more -Sena is also a bitch, just in a different way except that she doesn't hurt other emotionally -Who cares if Sena is a creep on Kobato Kobato fans and Sena fans, which is the majority of the fanbase -Sena isn't that nice, just superficial. She actually just thinks she's better than everyone. May be so, but she doesn't try to demoralize everyone else to show that she's better by hurting them -Sena is violent when she denies her feelings, but I think it's better the way that Yozora just gets embarrassed Bullshit. Sena is just embarassed as well, I don't even remember him hitting Kodaka for seeing her naked like every other tsundere there is. Yozora tries to push her stress onto others -Sena and Yozora definitely are friends, otherwise they wouldn't fight so much ... Yeah? -I don't think Sena is good looking. She's just a stereotypical dumb blonde with big tits. I think Yozora looks better, and Rika does too but I don't like Rika's personality. Preferences -Yozora is just as exposed and focused as Sena LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL no. even Yozora fans do not agree with you. And most of the time she's exposed on-screen, it pisses people off That's my view. akira25ysai said: I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD Glad I'm not the only one :) |
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GodlyKyon said: -Sena is also a bitch, just in a different way except that she doesn't hurt other emotionally nor does yozora no one in the club she affected in a negative way all of them got postive changes from her. Also i would like to point out that people who hate yozora are blowing her character out of proportion . I mean calling her ''evil'' , '' antagonist'' is not an opinion it is just plain stupid. |
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mironicus said: tsudecimo said: nor does yozora no one in the club she affected in a negative way all of them got postive changes from her. The positive changes you are talking about are just the result of the fact that the other members learned how to deal with her. Yozora gets offensive if you are to friendly to her, because she suspects that any friendly person will just betray her. To get along with Yozora they just avoid to offer her any form of trust (that makes them vulnerable) and they keep a healthy distance from her. umm no ? She helped maria get out of her shell like her sister kate said when she made her the club mod by force which is kate grateful for . She help sena get away from her fanboys and gave her a sense of friendship while yozora denies it sena consider it the closest to best friends/rivals she even likes her nickname ( neko/meat) .Rika couldn't finish an earlier outdoor adventure but recently, she was able to go shopping and buy new clothes. She's no longer a total shut-in . Let's not forget she helped yukimura feel like a girl by making her dress in girl cloth , and others good stuff happend in the club. They don't avoid her or ''deal'' with her most of the time sena is the one starting the conflict with yozora and rika is in equal terms with her and kodaka is the same to evey girl anyway. All of those good stuff that yozora did were not her real motive of course but does not make it any less good. The only negative effect she had on someone is Sena with her pervert room but thats like more sena fault than anything. All of the members don't place any kind of serious trust in each other because even though they look like friends they are oblivious to that fact . |
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Takei_Hisa said: akira25ysai said: I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD same :) Iner7ia said: GodlyKyon said: - Because Yozora is a bitch and Sena is the antithesis - Because Sena is a creep on Kobato, it's okay if it's hot girl, otherwise if it's the older brother - Because Sena plays games, and is relatively nice to everyone - Because Sena is violent or abusive when she denies her feelings - Because Sena tries to make friends with Yozora, while she blantly refuses and is stubborn - Because Sena is good looking, like you said. - Because Sena is a focused heroine, the more exposed you are to one that is likable, the more you usually like them probably more -Sena is also a bitch, just in a different way -Who cares if Sena is a creep on Kobato -Sena isn't that nice, just superficial. She actually just thinks she's better than everyone. -Sena is violent when she denies her feelings, but I think it's better the way that Yozora just gets embarrassed -Sena and Yozora definitely are friends, otherwise they wouldn't fight so much -I don't think Sena is good looking. She's just a stereotypical dumb blonde with big tits. I think Yozora looks better, and Rika does too but I don't like Rika's personality. -Yozora is just as exposed and focused as Sena That's my view. akira25ysai said: I want Kodaka to end up with Yozora..xD Glad I'm not the only one :) yay~ I'm not alone :) |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Sorry but let me correct you on some of those parts. 1. She never had any intention of helping them. She used violence on Maria because she was getting annoying and also hindering her plan for the club. While the effect was positive it was never her intention. If she heard Kate say that she will just get depressed. 2. She picks on Sena whenever possible but gets angry whenever Sena picks on her and she only felt sorry like 1-2 times. Doesn't make her holy or anything. Just count how many times she wanted to get Sena raped (in her stories) in the first season. 3. Rika is too much for her to handle. How exactly did Yozora help her again? 4. She never knew Yukimura was a girl and dressed her like that to get some laughs out of it. When that was cleared, she again tries to dress her up as a butler but fails miserably and gets depressed. Not one sign of feeling bad for her actions. 5. Also even though she created the club, it's mainly because of Kodaka that so many people are there. Take Yukimura, Rika and Kobato for instance. While he plays dense, he still helped them out whenever possible. Btw if you have read the LNs, you must have read the part where Yozora says how she thinks about the Student Council President who she barely even knows. If not then i can put it up in a spoiler as they are most probably not going to animate that part. With a mentality like that she is doomed to fail. Unless she changes her ways and throws away the childhood friend status, she won't really have much worth as a character. Lol you know your whole post could have been avoided if you actually read what i said which was:- tsudecimo said: All of those good stuff that yozora did were not her real motive of course but does not make it any less good. -As for who rika is affected it is because sometimes yozora wants to do something with kodaka but play it out as ''club activities'' which some of them are outdoor , Yes like most of the stuff she did it is not directed for the good of the group but it helped them none the less. Kodaka is not dense but you know since you read the novel but yea kodaka try to make everyone in the club happy and avoid conflict as much as he can but doesn't exactly mean he helped them the most. |
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Dragon_Slayer_X said: Yeah i guess but the thing is she would have a lot more likable if she actually felt guilty sometimes or felt happy because others were actually helped because of her mischief/bullying. Also similar to you i hate neither of them but Yozora isn't getting any plus points for a long time and neither is her character developing much. Don't don't get me wrong i am not an avid Yozora hater like you think. I guess for someone who is not a fan of hers it would be likeable she did feel guilt recently when she saw sena crying . Im pretty sure by the end of the novel or season 3 ( in the future hopefully ) she will have drastic changes and good character development. |
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tsudecimo said: Im pretty sure by the end of the novel or season 3 ( in the future hopefully ) she will have drastic changes and good character development. I think this is why I like Yozora the most. It's because it seems to me that she's going to end up progressing a lot as a character. Also, please don't misunderstand -- I don't hate Sena, nor do I hate any of the characters on this show at all. I'm a Yozora fan, but the only reason I'm making negative comments towards Sena is because it's annoying for me to see everyone pointing out Yozora's flaws when I think every character on this show has their own unique problems, and in my opinion, Sena's problems are just as bad as Yozora's. Clearly Yozora is mean to the other characters, it's part of her personality. But I think it's just as bad to see Sena picturing herself as this angel who everyone should be grateful just to lick her feet. I like this anime, I just don't want it to be a Sena end. I understand that I'm part of the minority, I guess I was a little surprised when I came into these forums and saw that. |
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Iner7ia said: tsudecimo said: Im pretty sure by the end of the novel or season 3 ( in the future hopefully ) she will have drastic changes and good character development. I think this is why I like Yozora the most. It's because it seems to me that she's going to end up progressing a lot as a character. Also, please don't misunderstand -- I don't hate Sena, nor do I hate any of the characters on this show at all. I'm a Yozora fan, but the only reason I'm making negative comments towards Sena is because it's annoying for me to see everyone pointing out Yozora's flaws when I think every character on this show has their own unique problems, and in my opinion, Sena's problems are just as bad as Yozora's. Clearly Yozora is mean to the other characters, it's part of her personality. But I think it's just as bad to see Sena picturing herself as this angel who everyone should be grateful just to lick her feet. I like this anime, I just don't want it to be a Sena end. I understand that I'm part of the minority, I guess I was a little surprised when I came into these forums and saw that. This.Like.Yeah. |
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mironicus said: Iner7ia said: I think this is why I like Yozora the most. It's because it seems to me that she's going to end up progressing a lot as a character. Yozora stated already that she don't want to change (episode 5 "she played the Otomege game"). She must manipulate herself to be "friendly" to others and she don't want to do that. There is no progress and no development in her character because Yozora herself is actively avoiding any change in herself. Her personality is completely controlled by anxieties - after all she has an extreme social phobia. Clearly Yozora is mean to the other characters, it's part of her personality. That is actually the main reason why many people dislike Yozora so much. Just imagine: There are people out there who think and care about those people Yozora hurts. Friends think about another. And Kodaka is a very good friend, because he takes care of the girls (Sena, Maria) Yozora was bullying. And Maria came "out of her shell" because Kodaka was taking care of her. After all she can't defend herself. She found in Kodaka a person she can trust without any objections. And it's the same for Sena. Yozora herself is forging the relationship between both of them. Just look back at the first season: Sena is sad - Kodaka makes her happy again. He achieved much trust and love points from Sena because Yozora was bullying her. You are still saying bullshit i already corrected you a page back but it is like your hate for the character makes you blind or something sigh... No those changes were from yozora not kodaka . If you hate the character that's fine but stop rampling about stuff that didn't happen. |
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mironicus said: Yozora stated already that she don't want to change Yep you're right, Yozora said she doesn't want to change therefore she never will, ever. Just like in all those animes when the girl acts like she hates a guy for the entire season and then at the end it turns out she really does hate him and isn't in love with him. But all sarcasm aside, I wouldn't even want for Yozora to change completely. Some of her hostility makes her who she is, and if you don't like that then that's fine. I'm sure that even in the very last episode of the very last season of this show, Yozora will still retain some of that hostility, but she will be an even better character. |
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GodlyKyon said: that!!!tsudecimo said: i read most of this thread and i still like yozora and i don't get what she did to make some people hate her that much .-. all of her interatction with sena are funny and meant for comedy... Biggest Reason for me: Yozora hinders the progress of development. She constantly stops other heroines from advancing their development. And worst of all, they're already all friends. Her remark in season one "its not like anyone in the club has friends" or something like that made me absolutely furious. Not only is she unwilling to change and distants herself, but she also does that to everyone around her, when everyone's obviously having fun her bullying Sena is not AS MUCH of a problem really, but it still pisses off Sena fans, I think. Sometimes she goes over the line of comedy, and is just cruelty. Oh, her attitude to Kodaka, and her reason for not telling him that she is Sora earlier pissed me off also. I thought she was finally going to progress as a character when she revealed her identity. But what? NOOOU! She just wanted to say that, and completely wasted the impact of revealing it. And she does 2 major things that pisses me off later on in the novels, while I was expecting for her character to become more likable. that's why :/It's sad because I wanted to be so competitive love(yozora x kodaka x sena), that we could see both sides of this girls and why they should be with Kodaka :/ we only see the side of sena but what about yozora we only see the plain and bad things and kodaka's flashbacks like missing that moments with her(yozora). that's it:/ then why they made her "main girl" aside of sena If she is not showing anything of her cute side...it's only the overly kawaii blonde with big boobies that gets all the parts. |
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potplant said: News flash - real girls are more like Yozora than like Sena, and you better get used to it. And having got used to real girls and on how to deal with the differences, Sena just appears...a bit...not real to me (or in other words, not girly enough) Incidentally most portrayal of anime girls are just shadows, or dreams - and I wouldn't even call them ideal because doing so is terribly disrepectful to actual women. But I suppose you can always dream. If I wanted to talk about real women I wouldn't be on an anime forum. |
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| OH GOD YES!!!! I fucking hate Yozora! I don't think that there is any female character I hate more than Yozora. She is a manipulative hypocrite bitch who is too fucking scared to admit her own feelings, therefor the only thing she can do is bash every fucking girl who gets attention from her dear Kodaka (especially Sena) just to feel a little better about her miserable worthless character. She is a plain kodaka obsessed bully who only exists to block Sena from being with kodaka and make a hard time for the rest of the girls, her character truly revolts me, she deserves every bit of what she's getting when it's coming to failing with Kodaka and I hope she gets crushed by a car. I'm sorry for all the Yozora fans, I truly tried to understand her but I just can't sympathize her ways no matter how hard I try. |
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| woah, users that hate Yozora keep on popping out..o___O can't blame them though since this thread is 'bout Hate-Yozora..xD As for me, I LOVE YOZORA! I hope it will end with Yozora x Kodaka :))) |
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akira25ysai said: woah, users that hate Yozora keep on popping out..o___O can't blame them though since this thread is 'bout Hate-Yozora..xD As for me, I LOVE YOZORA! I hope it will end with Yozora x Kodaka :))) PLUS FUCKING ONE! FUCK THE HATERS! Yozora is a beautiful girl with a great mind who just needs to be loved. |
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Flagli said: At least some Yozora-fans in this thread! What a pleasure :) I love Yozora as well! You are not alone.. I love Yozora too :) |
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Altruist said: JennyEsquire said: akira25ysai said: woah, users that hate Yozora keep on popping out..o___O can't blame them though since this thread is 'bout Hate-Yozora..xD As for me, I LOVE YOZORA! I hope it will end with Yozora x Kodaka :))) PLUS FUCKING ONE! FUCK THE HATERS! Yozora is a beautiful girl with a great mind who just needs to be loved. By Kodaka and no one else. I could see that working if the show had an ending like the movie End Of Evangelion. Then it would make sense. She was decent looking in S1, now? Ha. Great mind my ass, also, if she had such a great mind she would've treated people better |
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Altruist said: Papde said: Yozora really makes the show. Without her, Boku wa Tomodachi would just be your typical harem. The fights between Yozora and Sena are the best thing. This is a typical harem. There's a character with the majority of Yozora's traits in the majority of them. That's not a typical harem .-. |
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Altruist said: tsudecimo said: Altruist said: Papde said: Yozora really makes the show. Without her, Boku wa Tomodachi would just be your typical harem. The fights between Yozora and Sena are the best thing. This is a typical harem. There's a character with the majority of Yozora's traits in the majority of them. That's not a typical harem .-. There's usually for the most part two characters that have traits similar to Sena and Yozora. Those two will always end up fighting. Nothing all that different from other harems. It is different than typical harem in some places: - MC is not dense ( you probably think so but by the end of the season it would explain his not) also not wimpy , doesn't have a love interest that he tries to success in but fails miserably at it. - It is built around people with social disorders -Yozora traits other than her mild tsundere are not common in harems. |
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Altruist said: tsudecimo said: It is different than typical harem in some places: - MC is not dense ( you probably think so but by the end of the season it would explain his not) also not wimpy , doesn't have a love interest that he tries to success in but fails miserably at it. - It is built around people with social disorders -Yozora traits other than her mild tsundere are not common in harems. I already know these things. Doesn't matter to me. It's a harem that pretty much hits most of the tropes that go along with it. The only harems I've seen that aren't so typical at the end is School Days and Shuffle. I don't exactly seeing the show ending along those terms to really separate it from the others. Then it easier to say it is gonna have a harem ending. The Novel is still being published with a romantic ending in mind. Im almost positive there is gonna be another season to cover the rest in 2/3 years :O |
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