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stevethapirate said: one last thing... what the hell is kyubey? a demon? whats his orgin? and where are the rest of the kyubeys? Are they like him (and EVIL!!!!) HOLY SHIZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That picture scared the heck out of me. Kyubei=nightmare fuel ------------------------------------------------------------- stevethapirate said: What Im starting to think is that kyubey had some sort of control over Mami and now sayaka. cleo said: The only thing I wonder is: wouldn't that be the best piece of information Homura could use to turn Madoka away from becoming a MG? If I were Homura, it's one of the 1st things I would tell herto scare her off. Maybe Homura can't tell Madoka everything for fear of ruining the spacetime continuum.However if Kyubei has control over them wouldn't he also have control over Homura? ------------------------------------------------------------- cleo said: DenjaX said: "It's because she became a mahou shoujo by wishing for someone's recovery. She has superhuman regenerative powers." - Kyuubei WTH if that is the case, MAMI IS STILL ALIVE?!?!?!?!? She wished for her survival from her accident...... It would have been interesting if she wished for imortality and not just life. But that may not be possible. ------------------------------------------------------------- Yuunagi said: And remember Mami's suggestion to Madoka? The largest, most extravagant cake to celebrate her becoming a magical girl. Maybe that is a metaphor for how big Madokas wish has to be -> placing her at the top of the "food chain". ------------------------------------------------------------- RobinotX said: Love the fact people really think Madoka is going to be a Mahou Shoujo. Remember who is writing. For all he cares she nevers changes to one and trolls all watchers :D. You realize that even more epic trolling than that would be: Kyubei is not evil. Homura is evil and tries to prevent Madoka from becoming MG because then Madoka would bring peace to the world of MG. And she succedes! Epic trolling everyone! ------------------------------------------------------------- 1idd0kun said: Ginga-Bishoujo said: I beleive her ability is related to wind and that she is only dodging things with pure speed. But the pic I posted can not be explained by speed. Only space-time manipulation can explain that really. That would mean Homura used Temporal Duplication(Ability to bring past and future versions of oneself back to the present) against the clownworm and then exploded the duplicates. |
| *whistle* enjoyable as usual. I am loving the fact that she hasn't made the contract, but i am still thinking Kyubei is up to no good. |
| Another awesome episode with an epic fight. Was on the edge of my seat the whole time. And that Kyubey...keeps getting more and more evil... |
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EMChamp said: shizu_bara said: I made a photo for my 365 project today that was inspired by the beginning of this ep. Thought I'd share. thanks ^_^ That's pretty awesome :D. I know nothing about arts so at the risk of sounding uneducated, that is a photograph and not some fancy CGI right? I used a mix of photos and photoshop, but no CGI work is done here. ^_^ |
GreenTea13Feb 5, 2011 12:08 PM
| Damn it, Homura. Just when I thought I was about to see Kyubey changes his facial impression to his EVIL smile on his face and said "Just As Planned" and then you ruined it. |
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Lihn said: Spacial reconstruction theory? that is effing cool o.O, Also Sayaka is kinda underpowered, but her healing is pretty awesome, she's currently me favourite character :P but damn is Homura ever badass, people do NOT mess with her xD. Cept Mami, was she stronger than Homura? or did Homura just not really fight back against her? Homura probably would have obliterated Mami. Swords, guns, chain spears... vs. Spatial Reconstruction (And?) Temporal Distortion That's like bringing a toothpick, already used by someone so it's nice and blunt, to a gunfight. |
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| Pretty good episode. i have a funny idea, that when Mahou Shoujo dies, her contract expires, and the granted wish does the same. That would be very terrible and brutal to that boy. |
| I will rage if madoka won't use her wish to bring mami back to life ! |
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1idd0kun said: Well then I'll remember to quote you in the next threads if you happen to be wrong.I already say that I don't see Shaft pushing their style on a scene that is crucial to understand Homura's abilities, not with Urobushi's scripts at least. And if you're worry about Homura being overpowered, think of the among of magical energy it must take for her to pull off this things (space time manipulation). Those would be obvious limitation. Besides, the identity and power of the monster from episode 1 is still unknown. If it's true that it's Suleika, the witch of darkness (see info on official madoka website), as many speculate, then I can see more than one reason Homura's powers wouldn't work on it. But hey, if you disagree, that's ok. Let's just agree to disagree. We'll see what happens. Your argument on the background basically hold no weight except your hope and misconception of how things work when SHAFT do a show, no matter who did the script. |
desolatoFeb 7, 2011 9:25 AM
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Spirit_Sempai said: I will rage if madoka won't use her wish to bring mami back to life ! I really hope she won't. It's the dying part that separates this from the typical maho shoujo animes and I don't want that to be ruined by characters going back to life. :\ My only wish for Mami is for her (dead) body to come back to earth but I doubt they'd wish for that. |
1idd0kun said: I tried to find a scene that would show they randomly change the position of the pipes completely like this one, but to no avail. What I did find causes me to retract my previous statement about the background animation of the pipes being sloppy or lazy -- quite the contrary, I am surprised how much effort they put into being consistent with their positions. Here are some examples of that consistency:But that's the point. The background changed too much, that's not laziness. Leaving the same background would be lazy. The difference in the background indicates she manipulated the space to change Sayaka's location. That way we can tell it wasn't just teleportation, nor did she just stopped time and then moved Sayaka by hand (which would be rather silly, considering she would have to go back to the center to struck the pose lol). Basically she remade the space. At least, that's what this picture indicates. Pipes are in the same positions when zoomed up. Another example of pipe consistency. The pipes in these two sets are remarkably similar, even when zoomed to the combatants in the background the pipes are the same. However, note in the first picture, there is water falling in between them, in the second there is no water. This appears to be inconsistency. Another example of inconsistency, Madoka should be behind the red barrier thing, note the time. They could have simply used this background and it would have been fine. It appears to be a mistake as far as the story goes, Madoka should be trapped behind that barrier. I think all that these images show is that there are examples of lazy animation and inconsistent backgrounds, but not to the degree that you show for the spatial reconstruction. Not sure what to make of this in regards to the theory, because I think this shows SHAFT can be inconsistent in their backgrounds. It seems odd that they would take pains to keep their positioning consistent for the entire episode only to change them randomly for one scene at the end. Again though, I struggle to draw any conclusions from the backgrounds because they can be inconsistent Getting back to the theory though, I'll put my thoughts in list form for readability: - I looked back on episode one's first scene where Homura fights the witch (I presume it was) and was losing. -Her powers there seemed to indicate that she could phase herself to dodge incoming attacks, similar to what she did in episode 3. -This could indicate she does have the ability to manipulate matter (or at least herself). It is conceivable that she uses this power to make it appear that she is teleporting. After all she has to run towards the fight in order to stop them, just as she had to run to catch Kyubey -- why not just teleport? -I did not really see any time element in where she stops time though. Just from my vision of time-stopping abilities and teleportation, it seems unnecessary that she would have both these abilities. All this leads me to lean towards Homura holding not time-related abilities, but matter-related abilities: -In episode 1, she is able to push the dust out of the way with what at first glance looks like wind abilities. -Given that Homura was depicted as an archer in the promo, it makes sense, thematically at least, that she has the wind on her side. -Perhaps her teleportation ability is something like wind walking (turning invisible and phasing through being able to travel through the wind). Also, in the first episode's first scene, when she blocks the last projectile it looks as if something is pushing against it to deflect the attack, like wind. If it was matter, she might have simply redirected the attack towards the enemy or maybe even materialize something to block it, something that would suggest matter manipulation. -She can also fly in the first episode, which seems like a kind of "wind" type ability. -When Homura lands, like in the last scene of this episode and in a few scenes in 1 and 3, just lands very lightly, like she is made of air or something -Notice that when she lands, her hair seems to be blowing, as if from an invisible breeze that did not seem to affect the other characters before. As a final word I will leave with this opinion/summary. It seems that the pipes in the scene were indeed changed somehow by Homura. As you said, why go through the trouble if they can just redraw the background. They have done it before, as I have shown, and the pipes were in the same positions. That being said, there was also some visible inconsistency in those scenes which suggests that they are somewhat casual (lazy) with the backgrounds so it may be difficult to read too much into them. I cannot see the spatial reconstruction working on the basis of only this one scene, especially when other parts of the series seem to point to Homura's power being something else. I am not sure that given what I have seen so far from Homura, her powers have much to do with any time-space elements. To clarify about the pipes: This is just inconsistency, a large inconsistency, but so was the one where Madoka is not trapped behind the gate. My guess? Someone else handled the scenes where Homura appeared and the background was drawn differently, simple as that. What I hypothesize then is this: Instead of solid matter, what Homura has control over is air. |
desolatoFeb 7, 2011 9:25 AM
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tameknight said: I think Homura wished for Immortality and that she is a lot older than she looks which is why she has lived long enough to see perhaps hundred or even thousands of Magical Girls Die and why she is so Jaded. I wonder what the limitation are on the Wish are if someone could wish for Ominipotence then the war would be over in a day. Under that theory she would either be from before the current Kyuubi, or Kyuubi has simply forgotten her. I have a suspicion that witches aren't strictly a finite resource, so the war's not gonna end no matter what you do. They're like disease, doesn't matter how many you cure, more are just gonna keep popping up causing trouble in new and confusing ways. |
| I'm still wondering... why are girls like kondom-chan after the grief seeds. The only EXPLAINED use for them is to purify soul gems after you used up some of their power. However, if someone else fights the witch and gets the grief seed, you don't have to use your power and have no use for the grief seed anyways. So why is Kondom-chan after the grief seeds? I think there's some other use for them, apart from purifying, that makes the girls go after them, a use that makes it worth taking the risk of getting killed. |
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EMChamp said: Given that Homura was depicted as an archer in the promo... I had completely forgotten about that! So I watched those PV's again, and both Madoka and Homura are depicted as archers. Put together with the other Fate/Stay Night references, it really makes me wonder if indeed Homura = Madoka. EMChamp said: To clarify about the pipes: This is just inconsistency, a large inconsistency, but so was the one where Madoka is not trapped behind the gate.My guess? Someone else handled the scenes where Homura appeared and the background was drawn differently, simple as that. What I hypothesize then is this: Instead of solid matter, what Homura has control over is air. Imo there's a big difference between inconsistencies and a complete reconstruction of the background. I've got another theory, but I'm curious what you think Homura's dream is that gives her control over air? |
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| If you get healing powers from wishing for someone to recover... what do you get when you wish to live, like Mami did? I'm smelling something "just as keikaku" here. |
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| It seem a lot of guessing going around on what is Homura's ability ....hehe.I will put my guess as well.I guess she is a bubble user =) |
cleo said: I doubt there's any way to tell for certain whether it was intentional or not, but regardless it provides some interesting insight about the animation process. If one compares the backgrounds of these two shots (both of which take place before Homura appears):EMChamp said: Imo there's a big difference between inconsistencies and a complete reconstruction of the background.To clarify about the pipes: This is just inconsistency, a large inconsistency, but so was the one where Madoka is not trapped behind the gate.My guess? Someone else handled the scenes where Homura appeared and the background was drawn differently, simple as that. you'll notice that, while superficially similar, a few differences are there. Compare the angle of the shadows the the little "horn"-looking pipes make on the wall behind them. But then if you look at tinier details such as the scratches in the wall and such, you can see that, except for some different shading, they are effectively identical. Barring a complete redraw of the background, scratches and all, obviously this was done with layering (similar to what most people who use Photoshop are familiar with) in whatever software they used, but the question is, why take the extra effort of moving the shadows assuming the rest of the background is the same? Who knows. From my own observations, this type of thing happens all the time and most shows' audience wouldn't bother to notice how the water flow was shifted in the above shots (a foreground animation mistake there, not background) or how, in those lateral shots the alley floor is 5-6 panels wide while while in linear views it's only 3 panels wide. Remembering, of course, that while we say "Shaft", as if they created the entire show, it's actually more like this when dealing with how these cartoons are made: And as for Homura's ability, take your pick. In episode one she flies around and takes direct hits from skyscrapers. She also throws purple crap at Kyubey while chasing him (assuming that was her and the little bastard didn't set that up as well, just like he probably evilly masterminded Mami's "death", Kamijou's "accident", Bleach/Naruto filler, the Hindenburg Disaster, etc., etc., but I digress) around. In episode three, she's wicked fast and leaves bombs when you least expect them. And, in this episode, as stated by MorningGlory above, she might have a bubble/droplet thing going on, since not only did she have all those little droplets around her when she broke up the fight, but they made extra sure to animate those droplets on Homura's cup lid well during her chat at the restaurant with Madoka earler. So, in summary: EPILEPTIC TREES |
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Iri said: haha. Makes since.....Holy crap I just realized that we havent seen kyubey true form yet... He could be anything or anyone! Maybe he is the sole cause for all disasters ever! He was probably Hitler and Stalin at the same time!And he creates hurricanes and tornadoes and stuff too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Clever furry........ (◕‿‿◕ ) Holy shiz hes here!!! Ive found out too much! *dead*Im not so sure about the Homura actually being Madoka and going back in time stuff.... I mean I think shes really fast or maybe has the power to slow time. But I dont think shes actually Madoka. Although I do have to say Kyubey saying that he doesnt know if she signed a contract with him or not is kinda suspicious... I still think it'll be intresting to find out more about kyubey. Like if he has someone he has to work for. Maybe he doesnt even know why he has to get Madoka, but Mrs. Kyubey is being held hostage. Also It would be intresting to see a rival kyubey. Maybe still evil as the dickins but not Kyubeys friend. In summary there are two questions im waiting to see answered: 1) what is Kyubey and what is his main goal(besides molesting err...... magicing Madoka)/motivations for this goal 2)Why is Homura so concerned about Madoka, and where did she come from....... idk... Forgive me for being slightly crazy rights now... I gots the flu so this post is fever induced haha (same with my last one) edit: merged posts |
desolatoFeb 7, 2011 9:25 AM
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cleo said: Hmm I'm not sure what to make of that. Who is the girl with the longer pink hair that is with Madoka in the OP? I always assumed that was Madoka's inner magical girl or something, but maybe it could be Homura somehow? Just offering my two cents.I had completely forgotten about that! So I watched those PV's again, and both Madoka and Homura are depicted as archers. Put together with the other Fate/Stay Night references, it really makes me wonder if indeed Homura = Madoka. Cleo said: Imo there's a big difference between inconsistencies and a complete reconstruction of the background. I've got another theory, but I'm curious what you think Homura's dream is that gives her control over air? Certainly there is a big difference, but given that, as Iri stated, the backgrounds are drawn by many people, perhaps its not such as large a mistake as we thought. In the scheme of things, the barriers missing on Madoka seems to be a larger mistake than the pipes being wrong story-wise. So they are certainly capable of making a mistake even at that level. I'd also like to say that I find it hard to believe that if they wanted to reveal something about Homura's power, you would think they would make it more obvious. I mean if they go to the trouble of switching the pipes, I doubt they would take the chance that the viewer would miss such a important revelation. Not sure about Homura's dream (wish?), perhaps it has something to do with why in episode one, girls commented about her hair and appearance being so pretty? For fun, I'll speculate she wished for good looks or something to that effect, although that is most certainly wrong. Just not enough info to form anything on that just yet I think. But why is it wind? Perhaps wind has something to do with beauty in Japanese culture. Or Perhaps she wanted a portable hairdryer :p. |
desolatoFeb 7, 2011 9:26 AM
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| Kyuubei is looking increasingly evil.. - When Sayaka made her wish/contract, why did the whole place look so eerie and ominous? - Using reverse psychology on Madoka -- suggesting an idea, then saying it's ok if she doesn't want, then assuring that he'll always be there - Didn't he say in earlier eps that he wasn't supposed to give ideas for the wishes of the to-be- Mahou Shōjo? Why is he going back on his words now? - And the fact that he don't care to stop 2 Mahou Shōjo fighting each other. If he has the power to contract, I'm sure he also has the power to stop |
| オタクなんじゃねぃよ I'm not an otaku. |
| Madoka fighting game needs to made NOW. But really, this show is just klfjsadfjkdasfkjsdafjsdlkajfsda <3 |
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potplant said: The difference between Kyubey and the usual fluffy mahou shoujo mascot is, he only talks when either trying to convince the girls to a contract, or guiding towards a battle. He's slient when it comes to the girl's feelings and never provide any comfort/empathy. Since we dont' know Kyubey's objectives, can't say for certain he's evil. He simply manipulates to push a particular outcome, much like how the new girl is using her powers as a means to an end (I'm guessing her wish was an endless supply of snacks? lol queue Tim Tam ad). I wouldn't classify her as evil, she just uses the power as she see fits. Kyubey certainly is not choosing girls by their 'personality' but rather latent power, so it has to do with the soul gems and the seeds and what a collection of these may do. Seems like Urobuchi Gen hints otherwise http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents#Kyubey_cuteness |
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perpetual said: The live full version of Magia is out. (: And it is delicious. Even by Kalafina standards. |
1idd0kun said: From BLT interview with Yuuki Aoi (Madoka's VA): Sigsig said: What he hints at is Kyuubei's cute appearance to deceive and he won't fool me. I read the translations of that conversation and it clearly hints at that. That means Kyuubei is deceiving at the very least. Sounds fishy to me.I cannot wait for that answer! I hope the visuals will chill down in fear to anyone foolish enough to become a magical girl and not sure how boys will react to all of this, but we shall see it here very much and I cannot wait to either sympathize with you or try convince you of its fear. Already I did so in this episode with Sayaka's ritual with Kyuubey. It does not look much but it's quite deeper going as far as someone mentioning in response to my remark that it looks like Kyuubey took Sayaka's innocence. In that very matter a sexual relationship where between "A,B and C" it goes to B, touching her body. Yes it can be viewed as that with the visuals although it's not direct in your face like Yosuga no Sora, far from it. That's why me and some people analyze every detail. potplant said: Seems like Urobuchi Gen hints otherwise http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents#Kyubey_cuteness |
| Ahh, back from the 4 day chinese new year break. First of all, I would have to admit that I do think that this episode does not answer any of our questions, nor does it post more questions. Mabye it is my limited perception, but I could not find anything of interest here. Even so, I found some of your comments quite interesting. EMChamp's comment on Homura's spatial reconstruction works on the fact that Homura could manipulate space and molecules. Through his main assumption is that the background pictures have a meaning attached to it, his argument still stands in terms of homura's ability to teleport. Teleportation, on a quantum mechanics scale, could be seen as a simultaneous change of molecules at two locations. This is definitely spatial manipulation, without going into the details of quantum mechanics. Talking about that, I still do not grasp the physical context of magic here. In nanoha, it is the stored energy contained in your linker core that translate into material entity. I could see that the puella magi get their energy from the soul gem, but how is it charged, how emotions could be counted as energy, that i could not understand. The second thing that I would like to point out is that Akemi-san painted the ideal puella magi to be cold and heartless, but mani own viewpoint is that puella magis are the symbols of hope. Kindness leads to naivety, courage leads to foolhardiness sums up the difference in viewpoints. All right, the rest of my thoughts are just useless speculation, so this is all. In reply to appropriate forum users: Yup, it is epic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu2ckWqKT8M Sigsig said: potplant said: The difference between Kyubey and the usual fluffy mahou shoujo mascot is, he only talks when either trying to convince the girls to a contract, or guiding towards a battle. He's slient when it comes to the girl's feelings and never provide any comfort/empathy. Since we dont' know Kyubey's objectives, can't say for certain he's evil. He simply manipulates to push a particular outcome, much like how the new girl is using her powers as a means to an end (I'm guessing her wish was an endless supply of snacks? lol queue Tim Tam ad). I wouldn't classify her as evil, she just uses the power as she see fits. Kyubey certainly is not choosing girls by their 'personality' but rather latent power, so it has to do with the soul gems and the seeds and what a collection of these may do. Seems like Urobuchi Gen hints otherwise http://wiki.puella-magi.net/Translated_Official_Documents#Kyubey_cuteness In reply to Yumekichi and the appropriate users, Butch Gen "trolled" us and this comment is made during episode 1 and 2. Yup, I am making an ad hominen attack that could be dismissed as red herring, but I would like to be skeptical towards what he said. |
nerdyguyFeb 7, 2011 8:59 AM
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| So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing |
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Wasabi said: It's not about that but it's more it could mean that in a very hidden manner. Just like it could mean what you said but last I heard a heart is not round nor there is 2 of them and I could also argue this representation does exist artistically IRL so the meaning of it can clearly be that. I don't think it has to do with the heart. So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing Ecchi? No but you clearly missed in the OP there is nudity. Put it this way the tits are what is round not the heart. |
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Yumekichi11 said: It's not about that but it's more it could mean that in a very hidden manner. Just like it could mean what you said but last I heard a heart is not round nor there is 2 of them and I could also argue this representation does exist artistically IRL so the meaning of it can clearly be that. I don't think it has to do with the heart. Ecchi? No but you clearly missed in the OP there is nudity. Put it this way the tits are what is round not the heart. .... /me facepalm Are you serious? So you're basically saying that underneath all this so called deep and thought provoking and Faust-like references, the show is about nothing more than a perverted little pedobeast fondling some middle school girl's chest? Really? REALLY? What would be the point of such lucrative secret meaning? Have you never heard of a ripple? Y'know, like those circular waves in water? That was clearly the effect SHAFT was going for. Kyubey has two ear/hand things. Two ripples of delving into Sakuya's soul. Not a pair of tits. Not a pair of nipples. And a brief shot of nude girls in the OP does not mean it's an ecchi anime. |
desolatoFeb 10, 2011 7:55 AM
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ZaggyPlushie said: So Kyubei is manipulating everyone to make them become magical girl or his goal is to manipulate everyone so Madoka becomes a magical girl ? about 100% thinks Kyubei wants Madoka to be a Mahou shoujo but about 85% thinks Kybei is evil 10%-14% hes neutral and 1% -5% hes good |
Wasabi said: .... /me facepalm Are you serious? So you're basically saying that underneath all this so called deep and thought provoking and Faust-like references, the show is about nothing more than a perverted little pedobeast fondling some middle school girl's chest? Really? REALLY? What would be the point of such lucrative secret meaning? You are assuming way too much. I did not say that, I said it's a meaning among others that can mean all this. It's not really but it's possibility. Faust was the #2 most complicated after Nietzsche so I would start paying attention Wasabi what others have to share with their mind but you being a Ram that goes way too fast on me. The point of such a lucrative meaning is simple and has been stated. Kyuubei being a possible despicable evil steals the innocence of Sayaka. The representation is exactly that and proves it. The same shit happens in hentai but it's just more hardcore and in your face. Not this. Wasabi said: I said the representation makes it looks like that. What the studio was aiming for is confusion and whether people like you think it's like that or people like me that think there is a darker more gruesome meaning remains to see of how Kyuubei evolves, that of evil or good. I doubt it's good. Whatever the case the multitude thinking is obviously to see of how much confusion SHAFT is creating and it looks like it's working. It's not about tits or nipples, it's about what it makes you think and that's what I though and I know it can be due to my education.Have you never heard of a ripple? Y'know, like those circular waves in water? That was clearly the effect SHAFT was going for. Kyubey has two ear/hand things. Two ripples of delving into Sakuya's soul. Not a pair of tits. Not a pair of nipples. Wasabi said: Any nudity is fan service whether it's sexually aimed or not. The only exception to it is artistic depiction like in Ef but let's leave what has nothing to do with this series except if there is certain differences in the BD. That I will take a look at.And a brief shot of nude girls in the OP does not mean it's an ecchi anime. |
desolatoFeb 10, 2011 7:55 AM
Iisan-kun said: A Mahou Shoujo anime going the whole time without the main character becoming a Mahou Shoujo. Now what would be hilarious. HAHAH YES. We shall see.... I was surprised at how much Sayaka held her own... |
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potplant said: When supporting characters go...they don't. Besides, Mami's world-view of MHSJ is now at odds with what Madoka/Sayaka are beginning to see. Why would they advertise a supporting character? Mami was on the PVs and is in the picture for the show.. :/ |
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Wasabi said: So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing In replay to Wasabi, Through I could understand your claims, I hope you can understand that some people at 4chan and forums are trolling, through i do not say that you could dismiss them just because they are trolling. Secondly, all animes can be analysed, even porn shows in which the viewer watch it for pleasure. Just as some people argue that human actions or intention are just either for their sex drive or their ego, this could be replicated in the porn show where we could see how specific screen shot arouses the viewer,amongst other examples. Speculations made by other people could be wrong too, but that does not mean that these possibilities could be dismissed. In fact, the right way to go about such things is to view it with multiple perceptive. For my case, I dismissed speculations because I do not believe in predicting the future.The concept derived from Entropy, the disorder of the universe, that is. Art is a very complex subject, with subjective views more subjective than that of science itself. |
nerdyguyFeb 8, 2011 8:37 AM
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daBoss said: potplant said: When supporting characters go...they don't. Besides, Mami's world-view of MHSJ is now at odds with what Madoka/Sayaka are beginning to see. Why would they advertise a supporting character? Mami was on the PVs and is in the picture for the show.. :/ Red herring? |
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perpetual said: The live full version of Magia is out. (: Really!?!?! Where can I find it and download it from!?!?! Its not out on Nipponsei yet... |
Wasabi said: So are people drawing up ridiculous claims because this is SHAFT and/or Urobuchi? Cause some of the things said just seem completely absurd. Here I thought the whole 'spacial reconstruction' theory was lol enough, now people *cough*slayer545*cough* are passing off Kyuubey's super magical kira kira initiation as some sort of sexual act? What the fuck? This isn't some ecchi anime kthx. That scene was there to show how Kyubey draws out the power/inner wishes/desires from the girl's heart, not her fucking tits. I'm pretty sure everyone knows where the physical and metaphorical location of the HEART is, yes? That's right, it's in the chest. For the love of all that's sane and normal, don't go throwing out some retarded absurd farfetched claims like some bullshit sexual act. Lolatpeopletryingtoactalldeepandsophisticatedbybyoveranalyzing Thanks you, but I think that the spacial reconstruction theory is more retarded than people saying Kyubei is a pervert. Seriously how hard is that to understand that Homura's power is wind based as we've ALREADY SEEN IT. Spacial reconstruction based on a pipe changing place in the background? This is Shaft, I suggest people to go watch some of their other show. Also some people don't understand that if Homura had time and/or space power then it would make her whole character stupid and pointless. She basically live to make sure that other girl do not sign a contract to become a magical girl and it is something she could easely avoid with this kind of power. Now if she can use her power to stop a fight with people she deem doomed she would have used it in first place to make sure Sayaka didn't become a mahou shoujo. People call limitation of her power but it is baseless statement, making a limitation that would allow her to use this kind of power in the said situation without allowing her to make use of it outside of battle would either feel streeched, wouldn't be credible and or would be a powerfull deus ex machina. daBoss said: WHEN IS MAMI COMING BACK? FFS. Never. Kyubei stated that even tough he can do miracle, he can't bring back someone to life. You see he act more as a rabbit's foot than an actual godly being. As long as there is a chance that something happen, no matter how small it is then he can trigger it but he can't do something that is impossible. And before people go saying that magic is impossible to begin with then don't bother. In madoka's world magic is something that exist, most probably with it's own law unknown to normal physic but something that definitively exist in the whole that is this world. That meant that the chance of a magical phenomenon, limited to it's own law, happening do exist in this world and kyuubei trigger it but he still can't do anything about something that is impossible. Also I beleive that Mami's death serve as an exemple to strenghten Madoka's character, bringing her back to life would be stupid. Madoka will most probably become a mahou shoujo at the end of the show, maybe this will be irrevelant in the story and the whole will consist on building her character but she'll definitively become one. the nature of the power of a mahou shoujo is linked to the wish they make upon their contract. This lead me to beleive that Madoka is said to have the strongest potential because she has the strongest ambition. She could wish for many thing but she is humble enough for not wanting anything and deal with what she has at hand. She even go witch hunting without any power to protect herself. She's not the kind of people to 'waste' her wish for someone which can be considered a weakness, kindness being something bad for a mahou shoujo. She's not the kind of people to ask for power or fame, basically she knows no greed. She will be the strongest because her wish is humble and noble, a sign of strengh courage and devotion. That would also explain why Kyubei talk about 'potential' rather than magic capacity. If the nature of the wish determine the mahou shoujo then it is not something written in stone as she hasn't made her wish yet. She only is inclined to make the wish that will grant her the strongest power and that is her potential. |
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| I think Mami was like their introduction into the Mahou Shoujo world. She showed them witches, soul gems, grief seeds and taught them the basics of being a mahou shoujo. She educated them on how to fight and she fought to protect innocent citizens. To me thats a great mentor figure and her death was shocking but I think it had to happen. It made Madoka realize being a mahou shoujo isn't all rainbows and lollipops!!! Its an incredibly lonely and hard job where your life is on the line 24/7. Mamis mistake was being over confident I think. IF i were in her position I would of always been wary and not get big headed or else you'll lose your head. These fight scenes look alot more physically taxing them in other mahou shoujos where they just say some magic words and the job is done~ Its like Mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha. Nanoha didn't know any magic as she used her magic more and more she got better and better. She struggled and she was defeated. But she persevered and got to bet one of the best. |
MahouShoujoLainFeb 7, 2011 11:28 PM
Sayonara7 said: I think Mami was like their introduction into the Mahou Shoujo world. She showed them witches, soul gems, grief seeds and taught them the basics of being a mahou shoujo. She educated them on how to fight and she fought to protect innocent citizens. To me thats a great mentor figure and her death was shocking but I think it had to happen. It made Madoka realize being a mahou shoujo isn't all rainbows and lollipops!!! Its an incredibly lonely and hard job where your life is on the line 25/7. Mamis mistake was being over confident I think. IF i were in her position I would of always been wary and not get big headed or else you'll lose your head. These fight scenes look alot more physically taxing them in other mahou shoujos where they just say some magic words and the job is done~ Its like Mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha. Nanoha didn't know any magic as she used her magic more and more she got better and better. Of course, she charged head first with a smile on her face. |
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