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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- not really impressed, more confused, so lupin is just a title or something anyone with theifing intentions can take? |
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| Seriously, what the hell was that? That movie didn't make sense at all, worst Lupin I've ever seen and I'm a big fan. I was so glad when I watched sweet lost night like a week ago, because it was one of the few new lupin films I actually liked. And now I've seen this and I'm really frightened again that upcoming lupin films all may turn out like this... |
kage-bunshin said: As near as I can tell, the only real Lupin was the one at the very very very very end. All the others were just fakes, hoping to take the mantle of Lupin and not knowing whether or not the other was the real one or not.THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- not really impressed, more confused, so lupin is just a title or something anyone with theifing intentions can take? Otherwise, the best part of the thing was the soundtrack. :) |
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| Seriously, wtf. I tried to understand what was going on but really. I have no idea. Why was everyone playing Lupin anyways? And was that really lupin in any of those clips? Also, way to throw shit at our ace gunman and swords man |
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| Good thing I wasn't the only one that was wondering what the fuck just happened. I got the whole fake/real thing but it was done in such a way that was dull that made it not worthy of watching... |
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| The afro Lupin is Nabeshin?! XD |
| I don't know why, but this is the coolest Lupin movie I ever watched. It's confused when the first time I watch it. But after I rewatch this movie, I undertand the plot and eventually love it. It has different aura than another Lupin movies and I love that differences. It's feel like it's Lupin movies and yet it feels like not. This is one of my favorite Lupin movie beside Castle of Cagliostro |
| Worst Lupin movie ever man. |
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| It's daringly different, I'll give it credit for that. Not real easy to figure out, though, especially with the helping of non-chronological storytelling. It's certainly not a Lupin III action-adventure-comedy. Partly it's just jokes about how Lupin's appearance and personality have varied throughout the years. This is especially true during the early "Lupin stampede" sequence. But there's much more than that going on. It's about a young man who's dissatisfied with his boring, aimless life who stumbles onto something that energizes him when he steals a ring for his girlfriend. It entails him breaking up with his girlfriend (Yasuo must have been the fake Zenigata in that scene where Yukiko said she could not love Lupin), so this is also not a love story. In this story, "Lupin III" seems to represent a sense of freedom and agency in one's own life. Young men become "fake Lupins" seeking these qualities, but few can actually live up to them, which is why that one guy gives up and takes over his father's boring screw-making business and why so many are easily captured by the police, losing their freedom. Yasuo becomes a "real Lupin" by following through on the risk and danger of being "Lupin", including standing up to a middle-aged man who hates the young but claims to be the only one who can protect them. His afro-sporting friend (who looks almost exactly like Shinichi "Nabeshin" Watanabe's Lupin III parody in Excel Saga) can't become a "real Lupin", but he helps his friend by forging a challenge from the "real Lupin", which gives his friend one last chance to make it, so he is not useless. I can't figure out the wacko thing about the American arms manufacturer killing his son and putting his own brain into the body, though. I guess the older generation deliberately destroying the younger generation to preserve itself is part of the commentary on the relationship between generations. Nor what role Jigen and Goemon are playing in this odd story about identity. I think giving Jigen two automatic pistols to fire while falling backwards into a window is an action movie joke, and a joke about his attachment to his revolver. As Lupin represents a possibly unreachable ideal for the young, Zenigata seems to represent the same for for the middle-aged. The treasure being the "ice cube" must also partly be a joke, as it looks like a boring old ice cube. It might be a joke about how the treasure itself typically doesn't matter in Lupin III works. The giant robot is pretty weird. Lupin III represents adolescent escapist wish-fulfillment about being the coolest guy. Giant robots are also escapist wish-fulfillment, but typically for younger boys (especially the kind of '70s-esque robot that shows up here). Can't quite put my finger on what that's supposed to mean here. I certainly didn't enjoy this like the typical Lupin III romps (which it is not), but I might watch it again sometime to try to figure it out better. Being obscure doesn't mean it's any good, though, nor does its admirable boldness necessarily pay off. |
| Fronzel, I really liked your input here. Thing I want to know is...who won? I've read that it's ambiguous, but I don't think so. In the end scene |
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Fronzel said: It's daringly different, I'll give it credit for that. Not real easy to figure out, though, especially with the helping of non-chronological storytelling. It's certainly not a Lupin III action-adventure-comedy. Partly it's just jokes about how Lupin's appearance and personality have varied throughout the years. This is especially true during the early "Lupin stampede" sequence. But there's much more than that going on. It's about a young man who's dissatisfied with his boring, aimless life who stumbles onto something that energizes him when he steals a ring for his girlfriend. It entails him breaking up with his girlfriend (Yasuo must have been the fake Zenigata in that scene where Yukiko said she could not love Lupin), so this is also not a love story. In this story, "Lupin III" seems to represent a sense of freedom and agency in one's own life. Young men become "fake Lupins" seeking these qualities, but few can actually live up to them, which is why that one guy gives up and takes over his father's boring screw-making business and why so many are easily captured by the police, losing their freedom. Yasuo becomes a "real Lupin" by following through on the risk and danger of being "Lupin", including standing up to a middle-aged man who hates the young but claims to be the only one who can protect them. His afro-sporting friend (who looks almost exactly like Shinichi "Nabeshin" Watanabe's Lupin III parody in Excel Saga) can't become a "real Lupin", but he helps his friend by forging a challenge from the "real Lupin", which gives his friend one last chance to make it, so he is not useless. I can't figure out the wacko thing about the American arms manufacturer killing his son and putting his own brain into the body, though. I guess the older generation deliberately destroying the younger generation to preserve itself is part of the commentary on the relationship between generations. Nor what role Jigen and Goemon are playing in this odd story about identity. I think giving Jigen two automatic pistols to fire while falling backwards into a window is an action movie joke, and a joke about his attachment to his revolver. As Lupin represents a possibly unreachable ideal for the young, Zenigata seems to represent the same for for the middle-aged. The treasure being the "ice cube" must also partly be a joke, as it looks like a boring old ice cube. It might be a joke about how the treasure itself typically doesn't matter in Lupin III works. The giant robot is pretty weird. Lupin III represents adolescent escapist wish-fulfillment about being the coolest guy. Giant robots are also escapist wish-fulfillment, but typically for younger boys (especially the kind of '70s-esque robot that shows up here). Can't quite put my finger on what that's supposed to mean here. I certainly didn't enjoy this like the typical Lupin III romps (which it is not), but I might watch it again sometime to try to figure it out better. Being obscure doesn't mean it's any good, though, nor does its admirable boldness necessarily pay off. Great Analysis, I believe the real Lupin is disguised as the old man one at the bookstore ... Remember he was given the card and when fujiko came he smiled |
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| Okay, this OVA was really..... weird ._. But all the tributes and references to the past Lupin things were pretty nice. |
| Wow, all of those Lupin impersonators were getting out of hand. I really like the visuals in this one as well, especially the rain and that cartoony scene with the black and white which seemed fitting for this special. I'm not sure how I feel about throwing out the idea that Lupin is a concept, and not so much an actual person, but from what I understand that was mostly a nod to the different VA's or something, in-universe I'm choosing to view the world as undergoing a bit of an existential crisis or something due to all of the Lupins appearing and that Lupin went on to humor the challenge for his name, identity etc. Of course, I'm also choosing to believe that the original Lupin was the one we see driving off with Jigen at the end and the other guy went on to live his own life with that female reporter perhaps. Out of universe, it would also make sense this way since the old VA from the green jacket series wouldn't be returning. I also liked the differences in the Lupin impersonator appearances and the reference in the beginning to all of the different appearances due to art style change over the years, including the pronounced chin version from the pink jacket series, all of which I have always explained away as either partial disguises, influence from the creator or supreme being from an in-universe perspective or the possibility of Lupin having special flesh sculpting abilities. It would have been nice to see someone impersonating Lupin's pronounced chin phase from the pink jacket series as well. Jigen attacking the helicopter while holding onto it in mid-air was quite a sight to behold. I also enjoyed the sudden mecha that showed up. I enjoyed the song at the intro and outro and felt like it wrapped everything up nicely. Overall things felt a little messy with the out of universe references and it felt different from anything else in the franchise to this point, but I still enjoyed it and it made for some amusing moments like the green jacket impersonator's face as the original Lupin was pointing his gun at the plutonium, and if I ever had any questions about whether people may try impersonating Lupin in an attempt to attain the fame and notoriety he built up upon the legacies of his father and his father before him, then that question has been answered to a bit of an extreme. I liked it and it was an interesting change of pace for the franchise, but I'll certainly be looking forward to one of the more standard Lupin adventures in the next special. |
| This was so good. All these "wimpy" guys trying to grasp something greater than themselves, to escape their reality and become "Lupin." Yasuo got really close, maybe he even got Lupin's blessing and was the one sitting besides Jigen in that car in the end. Was Lupin himself disguised as the old man who knew about Lupin, the one who gave Yasuo the green jacket and a Walther P38? Did Lupin wish for the thrill of fighting for his name? Yasuo really did his best to steal Lupin's free and noble spirit, to steal his name. Fujiko, Goemon and Jigen didn't have much to do here, but they were still great within the little time they got. They chose one of the best songs in the franchise to be its main theme too, and I loved the way it referenced so many things from the series. This was really good. |
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