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Apr 9, 2012 9:53 AM

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Many of those are clear directional choices. I think it is fine that Alice's childish way to force herself close to woody, because everyone else seemed to have someone, was left out. It felt more like filler to me and I had a hard time believing that she would so openly approach someone, especially a man. And the marriage of the sea, while I remember that there was some dillydallying with the ring buying, was very good in the anime as I kind of disliked how manga portrayed the event as some overblown carnival, which kind of felt like just showcasing around. In the anime, what it lost out in the minimal character development, it made up by deepening the affection to the setting.

Also, you should know that most of Aria's character development only exists if you look at it as a whole. With the exception of the clear past events, or life changing things in the end, the depth of their relationships are at best in the eye of the beholder. Which is great of course, because it is more subtle and beautiful that way, especially considering the overall mood of the work. They're all just implications, both in the anime and in the manga. It doesn't make any real difference if the same thing was implied once or twice or thrice.

Overall, I'd still say nothing of value was lost. Satou Jun'ichi made some clever directional choices on how to re-imagine the manga in an anime form. The pace for one is much more preferable than in the painfully slow Aqua. I know manga fans generally have a hard time dealing with this, but an anime is not meant to be a direct copy of the source material. I had absolutely no problems with understanding anything in the anime myself, despite not even hearing about the manga before. I watched the whole deal blindly without even truly knowing what its genre was about. The ranking system itself was clearly explained in the anime (with the exception of why they specifically use gloves to show it). Three ranks, trainee, trainee for hire and a professional. There is nothing complex about that. At first you just learn basic skills, then you can also train in actual work and finally you can operate independently. In a way, many real life professions work the same way and I've seen similar ranks in many other forms of fiction.

And what does reading the manga have to do with being a fan? I read it because I wanted to. I have already watched the anime twice, so I thought I'd try it in a different format. And I also used it to motivate myself to read more manga. It is actually the first that I read from start to finish (with the help of the wonderful soundtracks of the anime).
Apr 11, 2012 5:29 PM
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Umm...your message feels rushed. But ill try to understand it and reply to it either way.
1) A little tsundere's love is the pinacle of character development! Taking that away is of no difference from drinking wine without a liver. Alice in the manga was frankly introduced as a cold, anti-social and arrogant (proven by how she challenged Aika). But later on, Amano Kozue unvelied her curtains and brought her to light as just someone who was afraid just like any other genuises who are always being misunderstood. Little by little, we saw how she started to get confident to herself but she stilled remained static and stays only with the gang that we know.
Until when Amano saw this and added the "Bonfire" chapter where we finally saw her girl side of being attracted to Woody. (Unfortunately, woody only sees her as a sister).
But since the anime didnt bother to show it and including the "Epiphany" Chapter, the only thing we discovered in Alice is that she is a fairly static character and another Rei Expy who shows only little emotion. Its a crime I tell you, A CRIME! >:(

2) Whats wrong in the Overblown Fest in the Marriage of the Sea? In Neo Venezia, Gondola Rowing is taken as an ART . Its similar to how Video Games and Sports are to America, Horses are to Mongolia, Spices are to India, Feng Shiu to China and Soccer to Mayans.
We all have our own culture that we value and Neo Venezia is just the same as ours. If you think its weird, they will probably look at ours the same way

3) You are talking about the parts of the stories where we sees the story behind the characters reasons for their attitudes. The character developments that I am talking about are those that we discovers certain sides of them that we never saw before. It takes a second glace as the say

4) Read the Wikipedia, the reason why the director skipped the character introduction is because Aria was his first time to make an anime that falls in the Iyashikei genre. So he killed the slow pacing, crammed as much chapters as he can in an episode, create him own original stories for the sake of being interesting for he is scared that it might not work out.
When he saw that the first season actually worked out, the second season was called "Aria the Natural" because the pacing there was now loyal to the canon and "In the Natural slow Paced storytelling".
I can understand Satou Jun'ichi but hey, doesnt mean I can understand him doesnt mean I forgive him. Ignorance of the law isnt an excuse, you know

Sorry about that, its just that I have never seen someone who will watch the anime then read the manga yet still wont consider himself as a hardcore fan
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Rei is like Alice? Talk about hyperboles. The deal was always more about how she comes to terms with her senior and becoming more open to other people. You know, because that is important for an Undine. Yet here you are, talking about why she didn't show love interest to the goofiest, most underexposed side-character of the show.

Oh, and about this gondola rowing taken as art. What does that have to do with anything? I was talking about how I preferred the more minimalistic, soothing air in the anime version. Art doesn't equal "big" and "grand".

And why should I read the Wikipedia. You're just repeating what I already said. Satou did what he did, because he needed to make it work in an anime form. And it was succesful. Thanks to him, it ran all the way to the end. Tons of new people found the magic of the world of Aqua and slept better because of that.

But hey, who cares when it should have been made just for you? So that you can see the horoscope and the wedding of the sea carnival, since they apparently held within the most important things that Aria had to tell you. I personally loved it for the sweet and subtle growth of the characters on the way to their dreams and utopistic view of the future. Aria to me was about characters living in a mortal paradise and not about guessing who goes tsun-dere over who.

And again, if you don't see this with Akatsuki and Akari in the anime, I am lead to believe that you didn't even watch it. Here you are, talking about how one needs to notice the subtleties (I'm not really that dense, mind you), but yet you yourself just miss all the events and information in the anime.
Apr 12, 2012 1:59 AM
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Technically, indeed thats a hyperbole but neighter can you say that I am wrong for a Rei Clones characteristics matches her very well.
1. Silent
2. Talented
3. Talks only in a question and answer rhythm
4. Deadpan sense of humor. (Except here ( keep on flipping the page by clicking on it and go hahaha:D)
You could say that Alice is the second generation of Rei clones
Personally, thats not yet love but just attraction/crush. Also, just a friendly tip but you cannot judge a book by its cover.
But you know what? Amano Kozue is not really good at romance and she plainly admits this based on how she ended by saying that Alicia was getting married just to force an Akari x Akatsuki

ahhhh...I thought what you meant by "overblown" is like saying "they are treating their culture more than what it deserves". Either way, I still cannot understand what you are trying to imply :-/

I just said that the reason for the death of the slow pacing was because of Satou's insecurity (which I understand) and your right that its all thanks to him that I discovered the genre of Iyashikei and discovered Choro Club
But you know what? What really bugs me is the fact that in order to do some research about the setting for Neo Venezia, Satou flew into Venice just to study. Which means that he is damn serious about animating Aria. yet, what I do not understand is why his loyalty to the canon was not 100%. Any guesses?

I dont think anything else needed a reply. Except "Here you are, talking about how one needs to notice the subtleties"
- dont get it. What exactly are you talking about?
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The thing with Rei is that she doesn't talk or display much emotion at all. She is like a doll. Alice is much different. She can appear cocky, childish, anxious, shy, happy and sad and displays all that with her demeanor. She isn't particularly good at hiding her feelings and she also talks quite a bit to the people she feels comfortable with. Her voice is low, but she isn't a silent person. Rei doesn't even flinch when Shinji gropes her bosom.

Once again, you don't make an anime by looking at the manga and make 100% copy of it. Why should the anime limit itself to the manga? What is even the point if it is the exact same deal? As for why the first season was faster, it was obviously because he was working with a finite budget and tight schedule. He needed to include something to reel in viewers in 13 episodes, and that can't be done by following the manga. If it did follow the manga, you'd hardly even get to introduce all the characters. Most of the Animation would feature only Alicia, Akari and Aika.

And about the romance in general. Yeah, I could guess that the mangaka isn't a romance writer, but thats okay. I'm long past the phase where I believed that every anime should match up their characters canonically, even if it isn't a romance anime/manga in a first place. Aria wasn't a romance anime to begin with, but did something much more unique.

FynbelleSinclair said:
Except "Here you are, talking about how one needs to notice the subtleties"
- dont get it. What exactly are you talking about?


You were saying something like this:

"It was also my favorite chapter and consists alot of symbolism that only romantic people can truly get."

And earlier you were talking about how the anime totally killed off Akatsuki x Akari. Note: not left out the horoscope chapter, which didn't tell us anything we didn't know already (except their horoscopes?), but totally killed it off. Meaning that it doesn't even exist. So if you truly are that deep of a romantic, how could you miss their relationship in the anime? To me it couldn't be more obvious. The only thing more obvious was Al x Aika.
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  • So if you truly are that deep of a romantic, how could you miss their relationship in the anime? To me it couldn't be more obvious. The only thing more obvious was Al x Aika.

- Its called "Placeebo Effect" which is a phycological effect where what you wanted to see is what you will see. Since everyone wanted to see Akatsuki falling in love with Akari (because theres no other good looking guys around). It is what you guys get but lets be honest here, theres no romance in the anime for technically, theres no romance in:
1. Calling someone with names that she does not want to be called ("Its not momiko"-Akari
2. Taking advantage of someones kindness and literally treat her like a slave (yelling at Akari to give help in carrying roses and scolding her whenever she answers his call when he wanted to hear Alicias voice)
3. Chasing after her with just the plan of teasing her (in the OVA)

The Akatsuki in the Anime is nothing else but just a Bully. Which only changed in the end of Origination where he invited Woody to cheer for Akari. And thats more of "Friendly support" than a "Lovers helping hand".
Hell, I will rather see Akari fall in love with Mr. Pattisier or Woody, even Caith Sith will make a better groom for Akari than Akatsuki who suffers Narcissim and lacks manners. (if he can change his form into a human like most magical creatures in Anime)
Apr 12, 2012 3:11 PM

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And now that you apparently hate him so much, why do you want to see more of him? It's not like the horoscope chapter changed anything. The only difference is that she visited Akari earlier.
Apr 13, 2012 9:52 PM
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"I was worried that you, being a girl was feeling down. So I dropped by especialy for you"
- tehee, It has all the potential that I saw from goofy Korean Romantic Comedy series

Also, on the chapter of the Marriage of the sea, do you know why Akari was damn happy about the ring and Akatsuki was not impressed when she threw it in the water?
Amano may not be the best in romance but she is a romantic person. Especially when you pay attention to the small details that she adds to induce a sublimal message. :D
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