Do you think Kenshin knew that he made Tomoe happy?

Mar 27, 2013 9:41 PM

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Do you think he knew that he had given her another happiness, and that's why she protected and forgave him for the sin of taking her first happiness? Do you think he knew that she loved him?

I ask because of what he says to her while she's dead at their house, which left me a bit confused.

Although, there are pretty big hints to him, like she protecting him and calling him anata and Kaoru being able to identify that Tomoe loved hin in Reflections from hearing the story from Kenshin.

Apr 20, 2013 5:01 AM

ryshin

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no, kenshin always thought that tomoe hate him, therefor he seek for attonement

Apr 20, 2013 5:19 AM

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ryshin said:
no, kenshin always thought that tomoe hate him, therefor he seek for attonement

It's even more obvious that he thought this way if you read the last arc of the manga. I can't comment on Reflections, but since it has a different ending and all from the manga it's not something I'd consider canon.

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Apr 20, 2013 6:45 AM

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ryshin said:
no, kenshin always thought that tomoe hate him, therefor he seek for attonement

Really? I'd honestly have to disagree, though.

Seeking atonement dosen't automatically mean that he thought she hated him, especially since she etched that scar into his face expressely to stop the bleeding in his soul and neutralize the hatred present in it, which manifested in the bleeding of his scar.

If he thought she truly hated him, then surely his scar would bleed forever, no? If she hadn't forgiven him with that cross.

Rather, Kenshin's reason for seeking atonement lies in the fact that he has to make-up for the pain he's caused everyone; which dosen't automatically mean at all that he thought she hated him in their final moments toguether.

In-fact, I'm sure he knew this, because Tomoe made it kind of clear to him;

"Forgive me, anata"

and

"You protected me"

Are pretty big indicatives for him.

Apr 28, 2013 3:34 AM

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insan3soldiern said:

ryshin said:
no, kenshin always thought that tomoe hate him, therefor he seek for attonement

i never read the manga so i dont know :P

Rainman95 said:

ryshin said:
no, kenshin always thought that tomoe hate him, therefor he seek for attonement

so those sentences are the proof that he thought she is not hate him? i dont think so... that word mean she is beg for kenshin forgiveness but not she forgive kenshin. and the word you protected me in fact that kenshin kill her. and the last part kenshin said that the one who was being protected is kenshin.

i am not sure about the bleeding but in the last of reflection it's disappeared. i'm not sure if its mean they (tomoe and her fiance) forgive him or something other.

for tomoe yes, she is forgive kenshin, but kenshin never thought that way. the reason is when kenshin said that he want to seek for atonement right after the death of tomoe...

It's all my opinion, i just review everything in my mind. if you want to know the truth just ask the creator.

Apr 28, 2013 6:25 AM

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ryshin said:
that word mean she is beg for kenshin forgiveness but not she forgive kenshin.

Er, you don't think that the fact that she wants him to forgive her for betraying him, and then calling him "darling husband", is any indication to Kenshin that she didn't actually hate him?

What else could she have said in that moment in-order for him to know that she loved him and forgave him? Aside from the scar, which did just that.

ryshin said:
and the word you protected me in fact that kenshin kill her. and the last part kenshin said that the one who was being protected is kenshin.

Yeah, exactly. Kenshin was protected by her. She saved his life.

If she did that, even after he brutally killed her first happiness, it's pretty obvious that she forgave him, especially after acknowledging him as her husband.

ryshin said:
i am not sure about the bleeding

Iizuka's words.

His scar would bleed until the hatred in his wound was absolved. It bled everytime Kenshin thought about death or killing - except when Tomoe was with him.

After Tomoe crossed his scar, the loving feelings in that cut absolved the hatred from the first one, showing that she forgave him because he gave her a new happiness. Not only is that scar a sign of forgiveness, It's also a sign for Kenshin to remember Tomoe, their love and their happiness.

And that's precisely why Kenshin's scar never bled again. Just as if Tomoe were still besides him.

ryshin said:
but kenshin never thought that way. the reason is when kenshin said that he want to seek for atonement right after the death of tomoe...

I completely disagree. In no way does the fact that he wants to atone and redeem himself for all the lives that he has taken does that mean that Kenshin thought Tomoe hated him. There is no direct correlation between the two. Kenshin himself was talking about atoning for all the lives he destroyed before Tomoe's death, when they were by the fire.

He's just following that idea. He has to keep atoning for all the pain he caused others, including taking Tomoe's life and destroying her first happiness. But just because he acknowledges that he once caused her pain without knowing, dosen't mean he still thinks she hates him, because her actions clearly speak otherwise.

Indeed, he knew that Tomoe forgave him and loved him; but that dosen't mean he could ever forgive himself for killing her without some penace.

ryshin said:
last of reflection it's disappeared. i'm not sure if its mean they (tomoe and her fiance) forgive him or something other.

Kaoru, who only knew the story because she heard it from Kenshin himself, directly told us that Tomoe forgave Kenshin and that she loved him.

And since she heard it from Kenshin, that's a pretty big indicative that he knew what Tomoe felt and what her scar meant, isn't it? Especially when you consider the facts that his bleeding stopped forever and that his wound was psychosomatic.

ryshin said:
It's all my opinion, i just review everything in my mind.

I understand, but understand that I'm also just stating my own analysis.

ryshin said:
if you want to know the truth just ask the creator.

I don't think that's possible, sadly.

TakezoKenseiApr 28, 2013 6:47 AM

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