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Oct 9, 2008 8:11 PM
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I will remove any doubt about my pop-culture nerd status right now.

This show, Baccano!, reminds me of :

1) The Highlander movies and TV show;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/
2) a few flashback episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that tied together the centuries-long lives of vampires;
3) The tabletop role-playing game, Vampire the Masquerade, which sometimes had characters going from the Dark Ages to the Victorian Era to the Modern Era.

Mostly I think it reminds me of Highlander. However, many Vampire games stressed that Vampire society resembled organized crime gangs more than anything else.

Also, Vampire the Masquerade tended to be influenced by Anne Rice a lot. Anne Rice stressed that vampiric powers could be transmitted by drinking vampire blood; Vampire the Masquerade made this a crime in vampire society, but a crime that sometimes conferred great power. It's interesting to note, though, that while many people criticized the TRPG for stealing too much from Anne Rice, it also stole an awful lot from Highlander.

In Baccano! it was possible for immortals to "eat" each other, and posture for "eating" could also be used to grant information, so one immortal would really have to trust another for that position (right hand on head) to be tolerated.


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Note-- after I had made two very similar threads, I recalled that there was a rule against duplicate threads but I found I couldn't delete this. So ... sorry for breaking the rule, I can't use the "Remove Topic" button.
formosanOct 10, 2008 1:04 AM
Mar 30, 2014 12:02 AM
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Sort of.....ish...But since Ronnie is a huge troll, he basically made it impossible for the normal methods of dealing with immortality to work.

Immortals cannot use false names with other immortals.

They also CANNOT create false identities. They can lie about their name to non-immortals but they cannot write a false name or instruct someone to write a false name for them with the intent of changing their identity, which makes it next to impossible to fake their own deaths and take up a new identity (unless they do some major loophole abuse which requires finding them in the first place with Ronnie's vaguely defined rules).

It was easier to do back in the day, but nearly impossible in the modern world, where all they have to do is look for an Immortal's name on the internet or in databases and check out each one they find.

They also can't change their appearance physically, as while they can suppress their regeneration for the short term to allow them to get a tattoo, surgery, or change their hair-style as a short-term solution, they'll eventually revert after a few days and be unable to do it again for a while. And just like their recovery from damage, the more often they attempt to do something, the faster it recovers, making physical changes a very temporary solution at best, as after a few attempts, they'll start reverting almost instantly.


Even Firo starts getting a bit annoyed at that restriction after 70 years due to the problems it cases when attempting to travel abroad due to his birth date and age being clearly visible and causing it to seem like he has a false passport. (Victor had to put a note in the system that anytime his drivers license or passport was checked it would come up as having a known typo in the birthdate on his record).

Now according to Elmer it is possible for some things to change over-time, such as someone say, drinking the elixir while they're cut to pieces and about to die...would register that as their default state, but would (after MANY MANY decades/centuries) eventually lose the wounds and become whole again, since it would be fighting between their default state at the time of drinking and true identity (as they knew themselves).

Even previously lost limbs would potentially be recovered..but not entirely likely as immortals cannot just regenerate new limbs, they have to recover their original mass.

Dalton (Maiza's alchemy mentor, and headmaster of the alchemy school that Huey and Elmer studied at in their teens) cut his right hand off, sealed it in a chest and sunk it to the bottom of the ocean so Angelo wouldn't kill him like the other 1300s immortals in his yandere quest to protect Renee (Huey and Elmer's alchemy teacher, as well as Chane and Leeza's mother) from potentially being devoured. He just replaced it with a wooden fist/metal hook, and went on with his business, since it didn't have enough force to move the chest.

Another difference is...

Highlander immortals are sterile. As are most varieties Vampire:The Masquerade vampires. A few of the 15-16 generation vampires are so thin-blooded they aren't even fully vampires, and are still viable, but in general, anything below that is sterile.

Baccano immortals though have no problems at all giving birth. Even with two immortals (Huey had two kids with Renee just to see if it was possible and what, if any, differences were involved).

Their off-spring though are completely normal in all regards.

Chane and Leeza's special qualities are a result of further experiments done after the fact.

Chane's only ability is a limited form of telepathy that Huey added after taking her voice and is based on a modified form of the hive-mind telepathy that the water-type homunculi use (which he had extensively tested for several years on her younger sister).

Leeza on the other hand is technically dead. While she was still an infant, Huey fed her the newly created water-type homunculus Hilton, which devoured her mind/soul and took over the body. Though since they were both basically infants at the time, Hilton looks up to Huey as her father and keeps Leeza's body as her favorite, since it also makes her blood-related to Huey (whom she is FANATICALLY protective of to a degree that puts even Chane to shame).
ZanathKariashiMar 30, 2014 12:05 AM

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