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afkeroge said: Kuro's hands are pretty easy to read if you know that she always gets dora. She usually wins via tanyao (a pretty common yaku) with lots of dora. She has a very limited play style. Also, Yakuman are special tile combinations. Han and fu are not computed. Yakuman are worth either 32000 or 48000, except for Chuuren Poutou or the Nine Gates, which can get a value of up to 96000 if it's waiting on 9 different tiles. Rinshan Kaihou is a finisher, and a yaku worth 1 han. It's a win situation where you win after drawing from the wall after declaring a kan. Whenever kan is declared, kan dora is opened, regardless of the draw being the winning tile or not. Indeed, and it's foreshadowing what to come, lol. Nope, Yakuman (Kazoe Yakuman = 13 han (or more - yes, possible, lol), other than the normal Yakuman) XD The best and highest scoring yakuman would be all winds, single tile wait on a dragon, and made it into suukantsu (Suu Ankou, TsuuIiisou, Daisuushi, Suu Kantsu) worth Yakuman x 6 Kuro could just tsumo with 12 doras in hand, and got Kazoe Yakuman, lol. And uh, Kan dora is opened before dealing if it's closed kan, if it's open kan, after dealing... I think. Or my memory is just bad. (Oh, Yuuki did make open kan back then and she flipped it after dealing the tile/discarding the tile she didn't need) And besides, if it's rinshan kaihou, it's not like Kuro can use it. So,kan dora flipped: open kan= after dealing, closed kan= w/out dealing. AirStyles said: As I thought, the Matsumi sisters are Achiga's trump cards (At least for now, assuming their team won't have sudden power ups) If they face Kiyosumi, Matsumi sisters look like they could wipe Taco Girl and Spec girl off the map, it'll be hard for Hisa and Nodoka to catch up all the points, though Saki will undoubtedly do so with her stupid luck. Really like the "new" Saki. She's less lively and such, which makes her a bit more... mysterious than usual ^_^ Cute. I seriously love the Kansai accent from Senriyama... LOL!!! Damn it sounded funny. I root for Yuuki more, I think she could do without dora, Mako... well, she should do well since she got feeling, and besides their hands are patterned, and here's Hisa who'll coach them and ensure Kiyosumi's winning, lol. XD I still can't get used to Cela's voice... Oh and RyuukaToki ftw! :3 Their interaction and voice made me go hnnnnnng when they're speaking. |
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afkeroge said: shizuru1412 said: kei78 said: kuro hands are quite hard too deal with. Dora bomb sure hurt a lot. But saki should be her arcnemesis. kan = more dora to deal with so it is do or died yakuman hand _ _" Eh, but Achiga's the group that sends the ace to go first... :/ And yeah, I feel bad for her opponents. But, if it's rinshan kaihou, you don't have to open kan dora, though. Kuro's hands are pretty easy to read if you know that she always gets dora. She usually wins via tanyao (a pretty common yaku) with lots of dora. She has a very limited play style. Also, Yakuman are special tile combinations. Han and fu are not computed. Yakuman are worth either 32000 or 48000, except for Chuuren Poutou or the Nine Gates, which can get a value of up to 96000 if it's waiting on 9 different tiles. Rinshan Kaihou is a finisher, and a yaku worth 1 han. It's a win situation where you win after drawing from the wall after declaring a kan. Whenever kan is declared, kan dora is opened, regardless of the draw being the winning tile or not. With the new EMA rules, only the 4 big winds count as a double yakuman... and yakuman are not additional. kokushimosou hand is only worth 32/46k even on the 13 side wait |
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kei78 said: With the new EMA rules, only the 4 big winds count as a double yakuman... and yakuman are not additional. kokushimosou hand is only worth 32/46k even on the 13 side wait Oh, damn. So Kokushi and Chuuren Pooto is no longer double Yakuman? Gotta be up to date with those rules... =o= Googling it atm. Wait, I'm not in Europe, so I'm safe. Besides, it's more fun trying for triple Yakuman than just going for double. :P |
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| Hmm, Kuro's dora gathering power is very useful, if only for the fact that her multiple dora hands will always be nice hitters for points. The real problem is getting her to actually win, especially if the opponent knows how to deal with her play style. I wonder if the other girls on the Achiga team also have certain "special abilities" like Kuro, or they're just fired-up normal girls. Anyway, it seems this was just warm-up, after all. I wonder what ability that girl they met on the way has in store for Kuro. |
| Oh, almost forgot to point out that Shizuno looked like she wear nothing under her jacket... And Senriyama's expression after Cela stated that Achiga isn't match of them is just plain cool and baddass... And Toki's expression after Ryuuka said Shower... I bet those two was showering together... *melt* o///o |
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shizuru1412 said: Oh, damn. So Kokushi and Chuuren Pooto is no longer double Yakuman? Gotta be up to date with those rules... =o= Googling it atm. Wait, I'm not in Europe, so I'm safe. Besides, it's more fun trying for triple Yakuman than just going for double. :P that's not the worst Uma is now +30k/+10k/-10k/-30k a victory is worth a yakuman so you pray to not be 4th. it hurt a lot in tournamant with 9 hanchan oO" |
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kei78 said: that's not the worst Uma is now +30k/+10k/-10k/-30k a victory is worth a yakuman so you pray to not be 4th. it hurt a lot in tournamant with 9 hanchan oO" Arghh... What the heck they are thinking, I feel kinda bad for those played in Eu tourney... =.=; Wait, I'm still confused, a victory is worth a yakuman? It's not just parenchan? :S |
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shizuru1412 said: kei78 said: that's not the worst Uma is now +30k/+10k/-10k/-30k a victory is worth a yakuman so you pray to not be 4th. it hurt a lot in tournamant with 9 hanchan oO" Arghh... What the heck they are thinking, I feel kinda bad for those played in Eu tourney... =.=; Wait, I'm still confused, a victory is worth a yakuman? It's not just parenchan? :S and the worst still come like discution about not using dora and red tile. still wonder if is worth to play IRL tourney. Without dora, riichi is not riichi anymore, it is not modern japanese mahjong too it would become some kind of bastard style |
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Solkiskey said: So.... 5 minutes of mahjong... that's it? I don't remember Saki S1 being like that. This isn't as enjoyable at all. I sure hope it gets better. 2/5 Well, it's still 16th... Not big matches like semi-finals (or quarter) XD But do not worry, I'm sure you'll be satisfied when it's semi-finals. :3 kei78 said: and the worst still come like discution about not using dora and red tile. still wonder if is worth to play IRL tourney. Without dora, riichi is not riichi anymore, it is not modern japanese mahjong too it would become some kind of bastard style Well, it does indeed make the mahjong to not be luck based, but yeah, lol. Riichi mahjong without dora. I'm on tears from laughing, lol. That aside, doesn't EU has different point counting when it comes to mahjong? |
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shizuru1412 said: Well, it does indeed make the mahjong to not be luck based, but yeah, lol. Riichi mahjong without dora. I'm on tears from laughing, lol. That aside, doesn't EU has different point counting when it comes to mahjong? there is a european style that is completely different from Riichi with different point counting and now they are changing the rule of riichi but the point counting is still the same, excepte that no more double yakuman etc... |
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greenmush said: I always thought Toki was the strongest in Senriyama so i thought she would go last but this worked out alright. Not saying the strongest would go last or that Toki is the strongest , just a thought. Hmm,from what I see from watching and reading Saki series There are two popular strategies that are commonly used in player placement ( .................................................. .................................................. 1) Send out your Ace (or you can called "monster") first [Offensive style] .................................................. .................................................. Idea: - This strategy aims to gain as many points as possible in vanguard match and let other team member of your team maintain/protect the points for the rest of a game. Advantage: 1) If other team didn't send thier ace in vanguard match, it will be a cake walk for your ace. 2.) If your Ace manage to gain a lot point from other team, it will be hard for them to catch up with your team's point. The rest is to let other team member to protect points you got. 3.) It will be a plus if you got many ability users or skilled players in your team. Usually, you should have another strong player placed in captain match just to be sure. 4.) If your point is high enough (around 50,000+ above second place) when captain match start, even you face "monster", with a good defensive play those monster won't be able to beat your team. 5. You may can reduce other team point below zero. ( the game end insantly) Disadvantage 1. If your Ace is not able to gain high enough point or yor Ace get destroy form other team's Ace, your team is ruined. 2. If your members are screw up in protecting your point, your team is screw up too. 3. Sometime the "monster" in captain match maybe too strong..... 4. It can create a lot of stress for other team member. Example user: Kazekoshi, Shiratodai, many team .................................................. .................................................. 2.) Send out your Ace last (Defensive style) .................................................. .................................................. Idea: - Let your teammates play at their best, then let your ace covers everything up in captain match. Advantage 1) No matter how your team doing, you can be sure that there is a/an monster/Ace player to turn the table for your team at captain match. 2) Due to #1 Team members can play with out much stress and if it goes well, your team motivation will up 3.) Sometime, you may lucky to find out that other members than Aces/monsters of other school are super weak. The win is almost gurrantee. 4) It will be a plus if you got many ability users or skilled players in your team. Usually, you should have another strong player placed in vanguard match to control the damage. 5.) If you Ace/Monster is godlike, very high win chance for your team. Disadvantage 1.) You're better sure that your Ace/monster is good enough to handle the duty in captain match because there will be a lot of stress and expection placed on her. It will even worse if your team get crushed so hard by other team Ace/Monster's in vangurad match. If you think your ace can't do it, you sholud use [Offensive style] insted. 2. If you fight a team that all members are skilled, the point different from them maybe too high when a game reach captain match. 3. Your point may get reduced to below zero before your ace get to play. ( the game end insantly) Example user: Kiyosumi,Ryuumonbushi,Tsuruga .................................................. ................................... P.S. This is just my own interpretation. |
| You forgot the school that sends their ace on other position: Himematsu (Atago Hiroe - Lieutnant) And from other people's pov Eisui (Usuzumi Hatsumi - Vice Capt (Cos Jindai makes mistakes when she's awake) Kiyosumi (Haramura Nodoka- Vice Capt) That's why Shizuno asked Koromo whether Nodoka is the one to beat her, since Nodoka is the individual middle champion, making her 'the strongest' at least from media and people that doesn't know about Saki. XD I'm baffled with Achiga's position, though. If they send Kuro first (Kuro being strongest), why they didn't send Yuu (2nd strong) on Captain position? And why, Sergeant of all position!? And it all makes sense when the rest of achiga team thinks Nodoka's playing captain, so Harue made Shizuno the Captain/Shizuno choose to be one. |
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| no matter how i look it, kiyosumi have only Ace. Tacos is a east monster and can inflict huge psychological damage at the 1st round. Bbut she fail most of the time and lose lot of point versus strong player... Mako is a conteiner. Then come Hisa who will once again inflict psychological damage. No need to talk about nonoka and saki... So kiyosumi strategic is just "beat them down to the last" _ _' |
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kei78 said: So kiyosumi strategic is just "beat them down to the last" _ _' Well that's what they did to their first round opponents in the prefecturals |
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kei78 said: no matter how i look it, kiyosumi have only Ace. Tacos is a east monster and can inflict huge psychological damage at the 1st round. Bbut she fail most of the time and lose lot of point versus strong player... Mako is a conteiner. Then come Hisa who will once again inflict psychological damage. No need to talk about nonoka and saki... So kiyosumi strategic is just "beat them down to the last" _ _' More like "Get beaten on first before beating everyone at the end" (against school that sends ace 1st) lol. Because Yuuki's play style is playing risky, and she often declare riichi, as opposed to, let's say, Shiraitodai and other schools' members (Kuro?). Being Yuuki is suffering (especially when other school sends their Ace monster first, lol) |
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shizuru1412 said: kei78 said: no matter how i look it, kiyosumi have only Ace. Tacos is a east monster and can inflict huge psychological damage at the 1st round. Bbut she fail most of the time and lose lot of point versus strong player... Mako is a conteiner. Then come Hisa who will once again inflict psychological damage. No need to talk about nonoka and saki... So kiyosumi strategic is just "beat them down to the last" _ _' More like "Get beaten on first before beating everyone at the end" (against school that sends ace 1st) lol. Because Yuuki's play style is playing risky, and she often declare riichi, as opposed to, let's say, Shiraitodai and other schools' members (Kuro?). Being Yuuki is suffering (especially when other school sends their Ace monster first, lol) Being Yuuki is less suffering than being Kuro though. |
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Maddo_scientisto said: Being Yuuki is less suffering than being Kuro though. Both of them suffer the Vanguard fate. At least Kuro's doing well on her perfectural match... but we all know those two will suffer from quarter finals - finals if they made it, lol. I know Kiyosumi will, so Yuuki's more suffering. XD Actually, scratch that. Being Vanguard other than Teru is suffering. x3 |
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shizuru1412 said: Maddo_scientisto said: Being Yuuki is less suffering than being Kuro though. Both of them suffer the Vanguard fate. At least Kuro's doing well on her perfectural match... but we all know those two will suffer from quarter finals - finals if they made it, lol. I know Kiyosumi will, so Yuuki's more suffering. XD Actually, scratch that. Being Vanguard other than Teru is suffering. x3 Yeah well I wouldn't count Teru as any normal vanguard since if she feel like it she can finish the game before leaving her seat. I wonder if it's possible for a team to change their player order. I don't see it not having a Saki vs Teru just because they are on different seats. I beleive that if it's possible to change seat then Saki will play the vanguard in the final or rather maybe Teru will play the captain for the final (Which would be better imo since we'll have Shizuno that want to play Saki and Saki that want to play Teru on the same table). |
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Maddo_scientisto said: shizuru1412 said: Maddo_scientisto said: Being Yuuki is less suffering than being Kuro though. Both of them suffer the Vanguard fate. At least Kuro's doing well on her perfectural match... but we all know those two will suffer from quarter finals - finals if they made it, lol. I know Kiyosumi will, so Yuuki's more suffering. XD Actually, scratch that. Being Vanguard other than Teru is suffering. x3 Yeah well I wouldn't count Teru as any normal vanguard since if she feel like it she can finish the game before leaving her seat. I wonder if it's possible for a team to change their player order. I don't see it not having a Saki vs Teru just because they are on different seats. I beleive that if it's possible to change seat then Saki will play the vanguard in the final or rather maybe Teru will play the captain for the final (Which would be better imo since we'll have Shizuno that want to play Saki and Saki that want to play Teru on the same table). Considering from the fact that annoucers in Saki usually say "This player played as x position last yea but this year she play as y position" or some teams say " x play as .... last year" I don't think they can change postion in the middle of each year competition. |
Marina2 said: Considering from the fact that annoucers in Saki usually say "This player played as x position last yea but this year she play as y position" or some teams say " x play as .... last year" I don't think they can change postion in the middle of each year competition. If they can, I guess Shizuno would change the seat into Fukushou, (since wasn't it their goal to play against Nodoka?) but she didn't, and intent on beating Saki... *rolls eyes* And we know the result before they're even playing. Maddo_scientisto said: Yeah well I wouldn't count Teru as any normal vanguard since if she feel like it she can finish the game before leaving her seat. I wonder if it's possible for a team to change their player order. I don't see it not having a Saki vs Teru just because they are on different seats. I beleive that if it's possible to change seat then Saki will play the vanguard in the final or rather maybe Teru will play the captain for the final (Which would be better imo since we'll have Shizuno that want to play Saki and Saki that want to play Teru on the same table). Saki could fight vs Teru in the individuals, or else we'll have boring individuals matches with nothing big to wait for... well, maybe no because Kei is here. For the team, she should just settle it with Awai. And since I want epic Kiyosumi vs Shiraitodai as main, so I think Achiga just won't make it. Yes, I'm persistent. :P And in ep 25 preview it's Yuuki vs Teru... XD Yeah, Teru looked like she took it easy on her enemies so far (with restriction play-lol ep 20 Perfectural final until Taishou game, 2nd round south wind...) if she's fully unleashed... God knows what happened (Bad for Kuro and Yuuki, though). Would be super awesome to watch... the slaughter. |
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| For me, the final round should be the round that all 4 schools have important momemt. It will make the round more interesting since Mahjong is 4 players game not a game between 2 players. Also, Mahjong is not a game where more powerful = win. It's about technic and playstyle. Technic and playstyle that works on one person may not work with another person.We may think that Shizuno can't do anything againist Saki because she lost to Koromo, who was beaten by Saki. However, Shizuno playstyle may can "annoy" Saki in someway . Saki is like another player, she's not invincible. There are some kind of playstyle that she has problem with. Do you Remember Yumi of Tsuruga? If she keeps waiting to chan-kan Saki every time,it will be big problem for Saki but somehow she stopped doing that in late game. In individual match too, If Momo didn't decide to go "one-man show" and keep in the plan with Hisa and glass girl, Saki may lose that match because she can't kan at all. |
Marina2 said: For me, the final round should be the round that all 4 schools have important momemt. It will make the round more interesting since Mahjong is 4 players game not a game between 2 players. Also, Mahjong is not a game where more powerful = win. It's about technic and playstyle. Technic and playstyle that works on one person may not work with another person.We may think that Shizuno can't do anything againist Saki because she lost to Koromo, who was beaten by Saki. However, Shizuno playstyle may can "annoy" Saki in someway . This argument is invalid if it's involving Teru. :3 That aside, yes, her play style may annoy Saki, which is rather trouble some, but can be used by other school's player to their advantage - kinda like Mihoko who kept other player in check by using another player- Or Toki's San Chun ability, which she has lost.... I didn't say Shizuno can't do anything against Saki, it's just not possible to win. She could disturb the flow, though, by calling chis or pons, but then there's other school to consider, and I'm sure if it's Rinkai (Choe as Taishou or Nelly), they'll be annoyed too, and decided to I dunno, beat her instead. And you really don't want 2 people or more double ron you. Not sure if the final of National will be like Kazekoshi/Tsuruga/Kiyosumi/Ryuumonbuchi, since at least we know that Kiyosumi/Shiraitodai/Rinkai (if they're to the final)'s taishou is super mad mahjong demon. She could try Yumi's approach, but... meh. Marina2 said: Saki is like another player, she's not invincible. There are some kind of playstyle that she has problem with. Do you Remember Yumi of Tsuruga? If she keeps waiting to chan-kan Saki every time,it will be big problem for Saki but somehow she stopped doing that in late game. In individual match too, If Momo didn't decide to go "one-man show" and keep in the plan with Hisa and glass girl, Saki may lose that match because she can't kan at all. Saki can win without kan. She's not just limited into Rinshan kaihou. ;) And no, I think Saki will win. Like the one she pull out a kan when in Nanpou's south thingy. XD |
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| just got round to rewatching it Love how everyone in that start scene looks... well... normal except for Kiyosumi. Some rather delayed reactions upon waking up from Shizuno there. Yuu's shivering as funny as ever. They changed the bathing scene quite a bit from the original Saki manga (chapter 64 in case you were wondering) which is probably why I thought the whole thing was filler. Got to love the variety of send offs the team gives Kuro: playing mahjong with two swords has got to be rather unusual, right? Mihirogi's reactions are funny. Even more funny than the fans back home. 2nd round contestants: Koshigaya Girls' (Saitama) Kentani High (Hyougo) Achiga (Nara) Senriyama Girls' (North Osaka) I'm all hyped up for Sunday now. |
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| Don't forget about the scene before they went to semifinals: Kuro wears her socks (stockings?) Arata wears her tie Shizuno zips her jersey (she wears nothing inside it - is confirmed? lol) Ako with her hair clip. And the coolest one in my opinion: Yuu and her scarf... Just remind me of something cool, lol. By the way, since Shizuno is ok going on to the match with her Jersey on, I guess no school outfit is okay (including Rinkai) :O I wonder if Kei'll cosplay on the individuals, lol. :D |
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shizuru1412 said: I gotta thank Arata! Because of that it keeps me wondering how the story is going to go. If they play with kiyosumi straight away, there will be no story alr.They just have to be in the same bracket with the all mighty Japan's Strongest High School Shiraitodai. :P You can blame Arata for that, lol. XD Edit: Forgot to say, i love the Commentory Girl XD |
| I wonder how Kiyosumi would react if Achiga got into the finals but Shiraitodai didn't. Not that there's any chance of that happening but still... |
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kuuderes_shadow said: I wonder how Kiyosumi would react if Achiga got into the finals but Shiraitodai didn't. Not that there's any chance of that happening but still... I dunno, Saki will be super mad and goes into berserk mode? Now that would be cool.... XD Saki: The opponent who beat my Oneechan's school... Unforgivable! *unlimited Rinshan Kaihou hands* |
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| Oh and apparently their cards (saki achiga) is out.... http://www.saki-anime.com/blog/ And Pasela... collaborating, I guess like Yuuki's tacos? http://www.paselabo.tv/anime/saki_sidea/index.html (4/27-5/27) (Hopefully the mod put it on the news, would be great) ... and I want those cards... ;.; |
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I have a question! I don't know why the commentators are astonished when Kuro draws another Dora then throws the 8, here: She has 3 doras, 4-5-6-7-8, 4-5-6, 4-5-6 so I think she has only 2 possibilities: throw a Dora or that 8. Or I miss something? (Of course I understand she has less chance to draw/call her missing 7.) I can't count the points, so maybe that's the reason of their astonishment? What's the difference? |
Zenithale said: I have a question! I don't know why the commentators are astonished when Kuro draws another Dora then throws the 8, Or I miss something? (Of course I understand she has less chance to draw/call her missing 7.) I can't count the points, so maybe that's the reason of their astonishment? What's the difference? She has a pair of dora (1 sou), and discarded her 8 sou. So her hand previously is a pair of 1 sou, and 4,5,6,7,8 sou, and need 1 set to complete it. The tiles she need is obviously 3, 6, or 9, but since she discarded her dora, to keep her sanshoku (4,5,6 in different suit) alive, she's only single waiting on her 7 sou, to get her pinfu yaku, while keeping her sanshoku. In normal lives, would you discard your 3 tiles wait and only waiting for 1 tile? I guess no. (And no, Hisa doesn't count since she usually goes for bad wait in purpose)... XD so, her set: 1 sou set, sanshoku of 4,5,6 (3x) and wait for a pair, the 7 sou... ? Is it pretty clear? :S |
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| @shizuru1412: Yes, I know that, as I said "I understand she has less chance to draw/call her missing 7". My point is IF Kuro draws/calls (Ron) her missing 7, does she get more points than if she had throw a Dora and win with a 3, 6 or 9? (Anyway win with a 3 is bad IMO, because she will lose her sanshoku.) Reduce her chance to win for a better reward is not necessary a bad thing, that's why I would like to know what's the difference in terms of points between the 2 possibilities. If the difference is negligible I understand the commentators reaction, else no. |
| Well... But it's still 3 tiles wait, and the announcer (except Mihirogi-pro, probably) doesn't know that Kuro is dora gatherer. Back then before drawing 1 sou dora, kuro has 2 8 man, that is, she could be in tenpai if she discard the dora and declare riichi (+extra han, + ura dora, + ippatsu if you got it) But no, she decided to keep the dora... Which is not bad, but not necessarily better, except you flipped the ura dora ( ura dora possibly 8 man?) and Ippatsu is a given, since the 6 sou wait is dropped (if she declared riichi after dropped 3 sous). So... + 1 han, if she discarded those 1 sous, but since it's still a baiman, it didn't matter, I guess... point: If she didn't get them doras, (1 sous) her hand would be mangan/haneman, but she dropped those 8 mans for 3 sous.... got her a baiman... Well, at the end, both hands would score her a baiman, so it didn't matter, I think. |
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| finally some matches going on, the commentor is useless but cute :) did they just started using iPad in this show? |
| Pretty nice development, I like where this is going! Nice ED as well! |
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| It was nice to see the Saki crew again. Green fire in her eyes at the end? Why green? |
| Kuro kicking ass during the few Mahjong we got this episode. Looks like the hype will finally start in the next episode! |
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