| I don't read ln, but today I came across spoilers in which people wrote that Jinshi would abuse or kinda SA Mao in the future in certain scen or scenes (he choke her?)and I must say that I am surprised and disgusted. As if... I know that Jinshi may not have had a great past, but the anime shows him as a gentle and relatively normal guy. I regret that I discovered this because it seriously spoils his image. I know he wouldn't seriously hurt Mao, but that's not normal either. These are some quotes and comments. Tell me, is it true? . WTF is going on in these novels? XD Direct quote: "You do make me want to hit you sometimes." (...) "Not in the face. It would be too obvious." "I wasn't actually going to hit you." "I know, sir." Jinshi wasn't the type who would lay a hand on a young woman. ''It was painful--but Jinshi only squeezed harder. His other hand, still intertwined with hers, worked its way up her back. No, no! He was going to twist her arm out of joint. With her throat crushed and her arm wrenched, Maomao's face contorted with agony.'' ''Then in the vol5 – epilogue things get violent. The male lead has made it obvious that he wants the female lead to be his wife. He has rejected every other female since Book 1, and she has side stepped him the entire time, apparently this has driven him to want to dominate the female lead. He chokes her, restrains her, pins her down, and something happens that is written in vague and suggestive language that it is not consensual. Plus it is revealed that the female lead somehow magically can bring men to climax by sliding closer to them. It is only in this chapter that it is clear to the readers that she does not want him or his attention.'' ''I just finished vol 5 a few minutes ago and came straight here to say basically this. The sexual assault in the end here was very creepy and borderline rape~ with the comment by Maomao that she would be “better off acting like a doll” seeing this side of Jin is a let down for his character.'' I don't know, it spoiled my mood so much today... It seems that this theme of Jinshi's ''toys'' and his obsession and inability to cope with certain things is more serious than I thought. I hope it doesn't become toxic, but even if it does, I know that anime series unfortunately tend to romanticize such relationships. I know that Jinshi loves Mao, but it's not like she has an obligation to give him that feeling. Sometimes love is one-sided |
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i can say these parts did ruin my experience reading the ln π
it is true and its honestly a little frightening when it happens
i dont think it'll be in the anime until the very end of this season if it covers the same amount as the first season though so π€·βοΈ small blessings i guess idk about future seasons though
i dont think it'll be in the anime until the very end of this season if it covers the same amount as the first season though so π€·βοΈ small blessings i guess idk about future seasons though
| @junebin oh my, I didn't expect such scenes in this series. I also didn't expect that Jinshi could be so out of control. After all, he knows that Mao was once attacked or almost attacked by men when she worked in a brothel. How could he forget himself like that and do the same thing?he's frustrated that she doesn't return his feelings, but she doesn't really have an obligation to love him. I guess not enough people take this into account. Mao has every right not to fall in love with him. maybe they'll tone it down a bit in the anime. I'm not ready for this shit propably next season anyway thanks for the answer |
Jollyne7Jan 11, 2:38 PM
| The ln was made for shoujo demographic so that sounds pretty likely. They are probably going to have kids in the end anyway. |
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| You people are pathetic. “oh no, this realistic story has realistic violence in it, I cant read it anymore" hy cant you handle any complex themes in media? |
| Infinite growth is the ideology of a cancer cell |
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Jollyne7 said:
I don't read ln, but today I came across spoilers in which people wrote that Jinshi would abuse or kinda SA Mao in the future in certain scen or scenes (he choke her?)and I must say that I am surprised and disgusted. As if... I know that Jinshi may not have had a great past, but the anime shows him as a gentle and relatively normal guy. I regret that I discovered this because it seriously spoils his image. I know he wouldn't seriously hurt Mao, but that's not normal either.
These are some quotes and comments. Tell me, is it true? . WTF is going on in these novels? XD
Direct quote:
"You do make me want to hit you sometimes." (...)
"Not in the face. It would be too obvious."
"I wasn't actually going to hit you."
"I know, sir." Jinshi wasn't the type who would lay a hand on a young woman.
''It was painful--but Jinshi only squeezed harder. His other hand, still intertwined with hers, worked its way up her back. No, no! He was going to twist her arm out of joint.
With her throat crushed and her arm wrenched, Maomao's face contorted with agony.''
''Then in the vol5 – epilogue things get violent. The male lead has made it obvious that he wants the female lead to be his wife. He has rejected every other female since Book 1, and she has side stepped him the entire time, apparently this has driven him to want to dominate the female lead. He chokes her, restrains her, pins her down, and something happens that is written in vague and suggestive language that it is not consensual. Plus it is revealed that the female lead somehow magically can bring men to climax by sliding closer to them. It is only in this chapter that it is clear to the readers that she does not want him or his attention.''
''I just finished vol 5 a few minutes ago and came straight here to say basically this. The sexual assault in the end here was very creepy and borderline rape~ with the comment by Maomao that she would be “better off acting like a doll” seeing this side of Jin is a let down for his character.''
I don't know, it spoiled my mood so much today... It seems that this theme of Jinshi's ''toys'' and his obsession and inability to cope with certain things is more serious than I thought. I hope it doesn't become toxic, but even if it does, I know that anime series unfortunately tend to romanticize such relationships. I know that Jinshi loves Mao, but it's not like she has an obligation to give him that feeling. Sometimes love is one-sided
I don't read ln, but today I came across spoilers in which people wrote that Jinshi would abuse or kinda SA Mao in the future in certain scen or scenes (he choke her?)and I must say that I am surprised and disgusted. As if... I know that Jinshi may not have had a great past, but the anime shows him as a gentle and relatively normal guy. I regret that I discovered this because it seriously spoils his image. I know he wouldn't seriously hurt Mao, but that's not normal either.
These are some quotes and comments. Tell me, is it true? . WTF is going on in these novels? XD
Direct quote:
"You do make me want to hit you sometimes." (...)
"Not in the face. It would be too obvious."
"I wasn't actually going to hit you."
"I know, sir." Jinshi wasn't the type who would lay a hand on a young woman.
''It was painful--but Jinshi only squeezed harder. His other hand, still intertwined with hers, worked its way up her back. No, no! He was going to twist her arm out of joint.
With her throat crushed and her arm wrenched, Maomao's face contorted with agony.''
''Then in the vol5 – epilogue things get violent. The male lead has made it obvious that he wants the female lead to be his wife. He has rejected every other female since Book 1, and she has side stepped him the entire time, apparently this has driven him to want to dominate the female lead. He chokes her, restrains her, pins her down, and something happens that is written in vague and suggestive language that it is not consensual. Plus it is revealed that the female lead somehow magically can bring men to climax by sliding closer to them. It is only in this chapter that it is clear to the readers that she does not want him or his attention.''
''I just finished vol 5 a few minutes ago and came straight here to say basically this. The sexual assault in the end here was very creepy and borderline rape~ with the comment by Maomao that she would be “better off acting like a doll” seeing this side of Jin is a let down for his character.''
I don't know, it spoiled my mood so much today... It seems that this theme of Jinshi's ''toys'' and his obsession and inability to cope with certain things is more serious than I thought. I hope it doesn't become toxic, but even if it does, I know that anime series unfortunately tend to romanticize such relationships. I know that Jinshi loves Mao, but it's not like she has an obligation to give him that feeling. Sometimes love is one-sided
you judge on it so fast , go and read vol 6 before you judge , and love one-sided , you know that
Mao didn't know about love because of her past , so .. what jinshi should do , I know this isn't right too , but tell me , he was trying all these vols
and about what he had done . He didn't force her or stolen her he was trying all 5 vols to get her heart and her attention. Really, he isn't a bad guy till now , but Mao should let her heart free ,
I know you are surprised by this event that gets really early or the way that storytelling this, but you should say that jinshi was trying before he made that , and he remembered what Mao what was going through , he didn't steal her , he is in love with her but she is a stone cold heart
you should go and read vol 6
and tell us what's going on there
π π
| @Ahmedpower Mao should maybe be more emotional, but why do all the people expect her to fall in love with Jinshi? I know they will probably be together anyway, but she has no obligation to express her feelings for him and be in love with him. Jinshi obviously doesn't understand this and does stupid and brutal things, but that doesn't excuse him. ''what jinshi should do''maybe he shouldn't act like an ass and expect everyone to do what he says. Mao has his own feelings and life. If she said she loved someone else, what would he do? did he kill her or himself? he would probably think so because he is so dramatic. |
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Jollyne7 said:
@Ahmedpower Mao should maybe be more emotional, but why do all the people expect her to fall in love with Jinshi? I know they will probably be together anyway, but she has no obligation to express her feelings for him and be in love with him. Jinshi obviously doesn't understand this and does stupid and brutal things, but that doesn't excuse him. ''what jinshi should do''maybe he shouldn't act like an ass and expect everyone to do what he says. Mao has his own feelings and life. If she said she loved someone else, what would he do? did he kill her or himself? he would probably think so because he is so dramatic.
@Ahmedpower Mao should maybe be more emotional, but why do all the people expect her to fall in love with Jinshi? I know they will probably be together anyway, but she has no obligation to express her feelings for him and be in love with him. Jinshi obviously doesn't understand this and does stupid and brutal things, but that doesn't excuse him. ''what jinshi should do''maybe he shouldn't act like an ass and expect everyone to do what he says. Mao has his own feelings and life. If she said she loved someone else, what would he do? did he kill her or himself? he would probably think so because he is so dramatic.
so dramatic, oh you are jealous π
you don't know , do you ?
you don't know that there are people who don't know about their feelings ( Friern just like a simple )
Mao, just like her, who doesn't understand her feelings, but that's doesn't mean she is in love with him, but she should give her heart a chance
And I want to say that you didn't focus on the first season. Didn't you , when she said that love will not be in her heart because of what had happened to her , ( and she mentioned that what happened to her mother)
but you don't focus , you attack only , good job
and why the other girls love him ?
you don't know ? really ??!!
because he is handsome, but when he is with Mao, he can be himself , but you are jealous
okay , fine π
You should focus more
jinshi shouldn't understand. He is in love if he doesn't fight for his love . what will happen if he loses it ? he will blame himself
if you want to blame , blame Mao . Why didn't she see him ? but I know why ?
but you don't know that, too
don't be so aggressive, calm down , when you fall in love , if you fall in love , I am asking you to let your love for another one
so can you ?
for myself, I choose not to love , and I don't make any girl fall in love with , Why ?
because I don't want to let this love go away from me
that's it
so dramatic, so what ? , better than silly
| @Ahmedpower You have such a chaotic way of writing that I have no idea what you're talking about. Am I supposed to be jealous of a fictional character? Ok. I don't hate Jinshi, but I see you blame Mao and not him for the bad things. Mao is not a saint but making Jinshi a victim is ridiculous |
| I never liked Jinshi, he's cringe and fake around Maomao, she deserves better. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
Reply to sdedalus83
@Ahmedpower He mimed a rape because he’s frustrated with her lack of obvious affection. It’s not about her mother or not experiencing love. Jinshi’s father ordered Luomen’s mutilation, Jinshi authorized her purchase. He can literally have her executed or do anything he wants to her without fear of repercussion. There’s an extreme power imbalance and Maomao has spent her life trying to find a way to be independent in a world that treats women as property. Sympathizing with Jinshi here is ridiculous. He’s being a selfish, domineering twat.
For Maomao it’s terrifying. She’s either confirmed he’s a prince and that he’s hiding his identity or she’s discovered that he’s a very powerful man who’s infiltrated the inner palace. Either way it makes it much more likely she’ll be killed to keep her quiet. For Jinshi it’s a traumatic experience that reminds him of his connection to the previous emperor and the corruption, despotism, and horrific sexual debasement he perpetrated or facilitated. From that point he changes dramatically. First he becomes a good employer, then someone worth serving. He goes to extreme lengths to try to abandon his role as prince so that she can be with him without the shackles that come with being a member of the imperial family.
People call this a slow burn romance. It’s not. It’s the story of a cultural revolution from the perspective of an integral, somewhat reticent, extraordinarily unlikely player. Their relationship is an important part of that. Maomao could never be influential at that scale without her ties to the imperial family. The author deconstructs the moronic prince-commoner romance trope by diving in to what it would actually take for two such people to have a partnership-as-equals in an extremely hierarchical, patriarchal society. She makes Jinshi believable - annoying, self absorbed, conceited, confused, insecure, wounded, persistent, adaptable, loving, and determined to be a better person. The scene you’re mentioning was physically nauseating but it wasn’t defining for either of them. I still don’t like him and would love to see The Adventures of Dr. MaoMao, but I’ve really enjoyed where this series has gone.
For Maomao it’s terrifying. She’s either confirmed he’s a prince and that he’s hiding his identity or she’s discovered that he’s a very powerful man who’s infiltrated the inner palace. Either way it makes it much more likely she’ll be killed to keep her quiet. For Jinshi it’s a traumatic experience that reminds him of his connection to the previous emperor and the corruption, despotism, and horrific sexual debasement he perpetrated or facilitated. From that point he changes dramatically. First he becomes a good employer, then someone worth serving. He goes to extreme lengths to try to abandon his role as prince so that she can be with him without the shackles that come with being a member of the imperial family.
People call this a slow burn romance. It’s not. It’s the story of a cultural revolution from the perspective of an integral, somewhat reticent, extraordinarily unlikely player. Their relationship is an important part of that. Maomao could never be influential at that scale without her ties to the imperial family. The author deconstructs the moronic prince-commoner romance trope by diving in to what it would actually take for two such people to have a partnership-as-equals in an extremely hierarchical, patriarchal society. She makes Jinshi believable - annoying, self absorbed, conceited, confused, insecure, wounded, persistent, adaptable, loving, and determined to be a better person. The scene you’re mentioning was physically nauseating but it wasn’t defining for either of them. I still don’t like him and would love to see The Adventures of Dr. MaoMao, but I’ve really enjoyed where this series has gone.
| @sdedalus83 Thank you for your comment, it explains a lot |
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Zarutaku said:
I never liked Jinshi, he's cringe and fake around Maomao, she deserves better.
I never liked Jinshi, he's cringe and fake around Maomao, she deserves better.
cringe and fake , who are you to judge on him like that ?
so when you love someone , if you try to be close to him, I will say you are cringe too
| @Ahmedpower The way Jinshi pesters Maomao is just cringe and unnatural, I wouldn't do that in his stead. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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Zarutaku said:
@Ahmedpower The way Jinshi pesters Maomao is just cringe and unnatural, I wouldn't do that in his stead.
@Ahmedpower The way Jinshi pesters Maomao is just cringe and unnatural, I wouldn't do that in his stead.
for him , this is the way he can cross his feelings
just Mao said he is just a childish man
so why is there an aggressive attack on him just like that, from no where ?!
| @Ahmedpower I often attack characters who I find annoying. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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so you believe he used his power to make her terrifying
no, if he wants that , he shouldn't fire her in the first place in the first season
and if she is terrifying why she continues to be with him till now
come on , if we want to respect each other
we should know what you are saying isn't in this story , terrifying her !! Maomao terrifying
she is playing with poisons , and a man with power terrifies her . Do you believe that ?
and terrifying her with what power ??!
her father ??
her life ??
do you believe what you are saying ?
please, everyone , if you thought that terrifying by bad way , it's not, this just like acting from Mao ( a joke )
I don't know why you hate Jinshi, but this man, till now he is a good man , and I believe in gyokuyou and her judgement, she sees a good man in Jinshi
| @Ahmedpower I'm sorry, but it's really hard for me to understand your comments. They are strange, chaotic and you often come up with your own theories about the people who answer here. I simply agree with the comment above because it is rational and explains a lot compared to your comments which are too emotional and passive aggressive |
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I respect you for your opinion, but it's not about you only it's a wave just like they want this show to lose rate or something like that?!
I don't accusation anyone , and I respect all of you, but I feel something weird?!
why now ?!
| @Ahmedpower Don't worry, the show won't lose rating, because it's all carried by Maomao and she's the girl of all time. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
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Zarutaku said:
@Ahmedpower Don't worry, the show won't lose rating, because it's all carried by Maomao and she's the girl of all time.
@Ahmedpower Don't worry, the show won't lose rating, because it's all carried by Maomao and she's the girl of all time.
the great work don't successful by one character, it's about all characters
and I love this show , because all characters are great , and they are ship in their places
Ahmedpower said: the great work don't successful by one character, it's about all characters Maomao is the only character why this show became successful, that's not even up for debate. |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| @antonn hi, could you tell me in which chapter does that happen? thank youu |
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@antonn hi, could you tell me in which chapter does that happen? thank youu
| @scorpioniclibra I can't because I made a mistaeke. I was thinking of something else. The scene the OP is talking about hasn't happened in the manga yet. |
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You people are pathetic.
“oh no, this realistic story has realistic violence in it, I cant read it anymore"
hy cant you handle any complex themes in media?
“oh no, this realistic story has realistic violence in it, I cant read it anymore"
hy cant you handle any complex themes in media?
| @bcasey25raptor Tbf I think the issue is moreso that this show thus far has seemed like it will be a wholesome slowburn where it goes from a one-sided love story to a romance inch by tiny inch. To have the male lead suddenly assault her is maybe a "realistic and complex theme", but it is off-putting for those who are rooting for a cutesy and wholesome plotline, something I might add is what this show has been like thus far. If the show had presented hints towards such themes from the start, I think less people would be upset, but it's kind of coming out of nowhere, meaning people who wish to avoid violent scenarios in these types of shows were pretty much cheated into liking it up until now. |
Reply to sdedalus83
@Ahmedpower He mimed a rape because he’s frustrated with her lack of obvious affection. It’s not about her mother or not experiencing love. Jinshi’s father ordered Luomen’s mutilation, Jinshi authorized her purchase. He can literally have her executed or do anything he wants to her without fear of repercussion. There’s an extreme power imbalance and Maomao has spent her life trying to find a way to be independent in a world that treats women as property. Sympathizing with Jinshi here is ridiculous. He’s being a selfish, domineering twat.
For Maomao it’s terrifying. She’s either confirmed he’s a prince and that he’s hiding his identity or she’s discovered that he’s a very powerful man who’s infiltrated the inner palace. Either way it makes it much more likely she’ll be killed to keep her quiet. For Jinshi it’s a traumatic experience that reminds him of his connection to the previous emperor and the corruption, despotism, and horrific sexual debasement he perpetrated or facilitated. From that point he changes dramatically. First he becomes a good employer, then someone worth serving. He goes to extreme lengths to try to abandon his role as prince so that she can be with him without the shackles that come with being a member of the imperial family.
People call this a slow burn romance. It’s not. It’s the story of a cultural revolution from the perspective of an integral, somewhat reticent, extraordinarily unlikely player. Their relationship is an important part of that. Maomao could never be influential at that scale without her ties to the imperial family. The author deconstructs the moronic prince-commoner romance trope by diving in to what it would actually take for two such people to have a partnership-as-equals in an extremely hierarchical, patriarchal society. She makes Jinshi believable - annoying, self absorbed, conceited, confused, insecure, wounded, persistent, adaptable, loving, and determined to be a better person. The scene you’re mentioning was physically nauseating but it wasn’t defining for either of them. I still don’t like him and would love to see The Adventures of Dr. MaoMao, but I’ve really enjoyed where this series has gone.
For Maomao it’s terrifying. She’s either confirmed he’s a prince and that he’s hiding his identity or she’s discovered that he’s a very powerful man who’s infiltrated the inner palace. Either way it makes it much more likely she’ll be killed to keep her quiet. For Jinshi it’s a traumatic experience that reminds him of his connection to the previous emperor and the corruption, despotism, and horrific sexual debasement he perpetrated or facilitated. From that point he changes dramatically. First he becomes a good employer, then someone worth serving. He goes to extreme lengths to try to abandon his role as prince so that she can be with him without the shackles that come with being a member of the imperial family.
People call this a slow burn romance. It’s not. It’s the story of a cultural revolution from the perspective of an integral, somewhat reticent, extraordinarily unlikely player. Their relationship is an important part of that. Maomao could never be influential at that scale without her ties to the imperial family. The author deconstructs the moronic prince-commoner romance trope by diving in to what it would actually take for two such people to have a partnership-as-equals in an extremely hierarchical, patriarchal society. She makes Jinshi believable - annoying, self absorbed, conceited, confused, insecure, wounded, persistent, adaptable, loving, and determined to be a better person. The scene you’re mentioning was physically nauseating but it wasn’t defining for either of them. I still don’t like him and would love to see The Adventures of Dr. MaoMao, but I’ve really enjoyed where this series has gone.
| @sdedalus83 Wow, I don't think you could've said it any better. You've perfectly described something I've struggled to verbalize about this series for quite a while. Very, VERY well said, if anyone wants an explanation to the question posed in this thread, it's this |
bcasey25raptor said: You people are pathetic. “oh no, this realistic story has realistic violence in it, I cant read it anymore" hy cant you handle any complex themes in media? honestly, it's like media this days can only portray perfect relationships and characters, there's no space for grey characters that make mistakes and are immature. or even straight up toxic, toxic people exist in real life, erasing the fact from media will not help anyone. |
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