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Apr 19, 2008 6:54 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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So Ep 3 has been released, closing up what the other two eps have been buiding.

What did you think?

I think they did it well. I loved the seriousness of it, the breaking of the engagement, and the reinstating of it (which was done in a very Yuuri way)

As many shippers as there are out there though, I doubt we will see a Yuuri pairing with Wolfram. I did notice that new maid in ep. 1, I thought of her as an interest. Ha. I mean, its the third season!

Maybe Gretta when she gets older?

In any case, I hope that when they return, they bring Yuuri's mother. I HAVE to see her there!

Apr 19, 2008 8:13 PM
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OMG .... the. best. episode. EVER. !!!!! no way was I expecting such an outcome !!! After last week's wolfram revelation, .... I was depressed for a full week until i got to see the 3rd episode tonight .... and it ROCKED !!

I'm really happy that the engagement is still on (that was to be expected XD). I think that we can expect to see more YuuRam-ness in the futur because of the way this episode ended ..... I mean, Yuuri practicly confessed to Wolfram, saying that he was part of his family with Greta and having Conrad as an older brother.

Furthermore, I thought that Miko-san's gift was HILARIOUS XD .... and Yuuri actually told Wolf that the dress suited him .... XD Loooool ! if that isn't love, I don't know what it is ... XD

one more proof of the possibility of more Yuuram-ness in the futur episodes is the way Yuuri announced the 4th ep .....

Quote: "Next time on Kyou Kara Maoh! : Greta and Yuuram." ..... O.o
and Wolf replied "Wait, Yuuri ! that name is ..."

so ... yeah, I think that when Yuuri starts referring to himself and to Wolf as "yuuram", .... we've just hit the jackpot ! So, all in all, I thought it was a GREAT episode. I forgot to meantion how Yuuri was extremely compasionate towards wolf when they were fighting .... I mean, wolf told him "be strong" and Yuuri, in his Maou form, instead of attacking wolf with his powers, held back nd didn't hurt his fiancé ..... awwwwww ^///^ ! He could have blasted wolf into oblivion but, ... he held back :) And that, I'm very proud of Yuuri for doing that XD.

anyway, I'll be sure to comment on the next episode too so, stay tuned !

YUURAM 4 EVER !!!!!!!

btw, ... Murata was totaly awesome in this episode !! X DI love mura-kun !!!! Even Shinou was cool ! :P
Apr 20, 2008 4:38 AM
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~nyaa.. this episode sure is great.. XDD

I like it when yuri shows some feelings for wolfram.. x○
and when wolfram is over reacting..
I think this is the first time I've seen Yuri so concern of wolfram.. well to the extent that he'll call conrad a brother..^^

~I'm looking forward for the next episode..^^

*YuURaM* LOL
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Apr 20, 2008 6:15 AM
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I wouldn't think that Yuuri has any real relationship type feelings for Wolfram. I think his speach was "as a friend, you are like my family" trying to say that he wanted him close....but not like relationship close.

The case in point with that is from KKM R, and the love machine. remember the "worse case scenario"? If you haven't seen it, you must, its a brilliant episode. But I think that was meant to deter any thoughts of their relationship.

I mean, it may happen, I just don't see any solid evidance of it yet.

Apr 20, 2008 1:52 PM
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Can't wait for "Greta and Yuuram" XD
I can't get enough of the slashiness~~ :3

Aarana said:
The case in point with that is from KKM R, and the love machine. remember the "worse case scenario"? If you haven't seen it, you must, its a brilliant episode.

That was every Yuuram fan's dream XD
Apr 21, 2008 6:42 AM
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I just watched the 3rd episode, and I'm extremely happy that those two are again engaged, but I'm a bit disappointed too, because I was hoping Yuuri would finally confess that he's deeply in love with Wolfram :D Okay, I knew that wouldn't happen, but... I'll keep on hoping :D The name of the next episode sounds promising, "Greta and Yuuram" ^_~ Anyways, a good episode, even though it could have been better, I mean, Wolfram breaking the engagement and going away, that could have caused something bigger and more exciting to happen than that what happened in this episode.

I can't wait for the next episode~ ^_ ^
Apr 21, 2008 10:09 AM
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I was expecting Wolfram to slap Yuuri, but awww. It would have been funny, and Yuuri would look completely startled/confused/shocked. Still a very good episode, I think Wolfram's evolved well. He definitely trusts Yuuri, as much as Conrad or even beyond. He still has his bratty moments, but still he's changing. I wish there were a hug between he and Greta at the end of the episode, that'd so make them look like a family :(
Apr 21, 2008 2:53 PM
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To be completely honest, for the longest time I thought Wolfram was a girl...I thought they were hiding it for obvious reasons, back then I was totally a Yuuram Shipper....but then there was an episode without a shirt, and that shot that right out of the water (I was so convinced too!!)

As much as I love their developement, I have to say a no to them :) But Yuuri HAS to find a love interest.

Matchmaking anyone?

Apr 21, 2008 3:12 PM
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If Yuuri isn't going for Wolfram, I personally would prefer if he stayed single.
Apr 22, 2008 11:45 PM

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but i'm thinking this a whole time,... Why not make wolfram a girl in the end,, (though it looks impossible), like, he ate something with a magic on it,.. or shinou put a prank there that no one can resolve... ~it looks nicer to see them together with wolfram as a girl..
TT_TT but of course I think it's hard to accept that (since I love wolfram as a man..^^).. hehehe,,..
... =_=




Apr 24, 2008 8:59 AM

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Glad Wolfram finally go back to his normal self. So, do they need another slap on the face to reinstate the engagement? ^.~


Apr 24, 2008 5:59 PM

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I think this episode was amazing. It has to be one of my absolute favorite episodes out of all the KKM episodes ever. And while Yuuri did the whole "just a friend" speech, I think that by this time he has at least come to the personal realization that someday, he could possibly fall for Wolfram. At the current time, I don't think Yuuri has blatant romantic feelings for Wolfram, but we also have to take into consideration that Yuuri would probably be very shy about romantic feelings for ANYONE. And Wolfram is no problem, it has been proven again and again that his love for Yuuri is true. Them becoming a canon couple, in my opinion, has become increasingly more possible. And really, I think KKM!R03 was enough proof for the points I just made. Yuuri understands that falling in love with Wolfram is a possibility.

Regardless, this episode was just so amazing; and not only at a Wolfyuu level, just because of how awesomely everything worked out. And truthfully, I bawled when Wolfram said "Be a good king, Yuuri." God I would kill to hear season three dubbed. Dx

And really, it is pretty sad to see that some people base their opinions of Wolfram/Yuuri on the whole gender thing. Does it really even matter? Yeesh. Kyou Kara Maou! is a reverse harem; does everyone expect some random beautiful girl to come along and sweep the "victim" of the harem off his feet? Pft. Not likely.
Apr 24, 2008 6:25 PM

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Tsubame said:

And really, it is pretty sad to see that some people base their opinions of Wolfram/Yuuri on the whole gender thing. Does it really even matter? Yeesh. Kyou Kara Maou! is a reverse harem; does everyone expect some random beautiful girl to come along and sweep the "victim" of the harem off his feet? Pft. Not likely.


Didn't that already happen in Season 1? Remember Cheri's brother tried to set Yuuri up with his niece, and the niece end up dueling Yuuri for Wolfram.

But yeh, I like Wolfram being a tough and girly guy. That's what make KKM so fun to watch.

Apr 24, 2008 7:15 PM

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iisherryii said:

Didn't that already happen in Season 1? Remember Cheri's brother tried to set Yuuri up with his niece, and the niece end up dueling Yuuri for Wolfram.

But yeh, I like Wolfram being a tough and girly guy. That's what make KKM so fun to watch.

Sort of, but that's not quite what I meant. I sort of meant some girl coming along ans actually becoming the canon lover of Yuuri. I highly doubt that would happen in a series like Kyou Kara Maou!.

An another thing; what about Greta? She already calls Wolfram father. To Greta, Wolfram and Yuuri are her parents. How would she feel about some random person becoming Yuuri's lover? At this point and time, that is highly unlikely and I'm pretty sure that in the future, Wolfram/Yuuri has a chance of becoming canon.
Apr 26, 2008 5:19 PM

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Tsubame said:

An another thing; what about Greta? She already calls Wolfram father. To Greta, Wolfram and Yuuri are her parents. How would she feel about some random person becoming Yuuri's lover? At this point and time, that is highly unlikely and I'm pretty sure that in the future, Wolfram/Yuuri has a chance of becoming canon.


Seriously, ... I'm 100% convinced that Yuuri & wolf will end up together. there are WAY to many signs that show that. Besides, in the manga, it's pretty clear that yuuri is developping feelings for Wolf. I mean, who wouldn't ?? XD All in all, I agree with you. Yuuri & Wolf are definately Greta's parents hence, they MUST end up together ...

I just can't imagine Yuuri leaving shin makoku with some random girl, breaking wolf's heart & leaving Greta behind .... that would make Yuuri the "bad guy" in the story and I don't think that the author is aiming for that XD can you imagine if everyone started hating yuuri for leaving wolf ?!? *shivers* I'm sure there would be a MILLION fangirls bawling !!!

I'm betting all my chips on YuuRam. If they don't end up together at the end of the series .... I will be very disappointed.

P.S.: ... why is everyone freaking about the fact that wolf is a guy ?!?! Hello people ! this is a shonen-ai anime ! That was bound to happen !
Apr 26, 2008 10:35 PM
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Wonderful so far! I am insanely happy that the series has started up again. Also, it's been bugging me all night -- Does anyone know who the VA for Wolfram's Uncle is (his name escapes me at the momet)? It's not listed on ANN yet and I KNOW I've heard it -somewhere- but I can't for the life of me remember where. And it's going to nag at me until I find out.

Also, LOVE the image of Yuuri and Wolfram on your sig, sakumi-chan. XDD
Apr 27, 2008 7:13 AM

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sakumi-chan said:
P.S.: ... why is everyone freaking about the fact that wolf is a guy ?!?! Hello people ! this is a shonen-ai anime ! That was bound to happen !
It's not really shounen-ai, since everything thus far has been one-sided. Yes, Shin Makoku approves of male-male relationships, but we haven't seen an actual couple yet. There are hints, of course, but unless we can say for sure that Yuuri is returning Wolfram's feelings, we can't say this IS a shounen ai anime. At least, I think so.

Yuuri is incredibly naïve when it comes to romantic feelings in general, yes. I think if even Flynn were to start to show feelings for him, he wouldn't notice. He actually knows Wolf loves him- like Tsubame said, KKM!R3 made it pretty clear. And Yuuri doesn't want Wolfram to end up with someone else. He'd be so very lonely, I'm sure.

I can't say for sure that they're going to be together, as a couple. I have my hopes, of course, but I can't say anything for sure. But what I'm sure about is that the engagement is not going to be called off. It's been 81 episodes. If you can't stand their relationship, I think it's time to drop this.

Oh, and by the way. The anime isn't based on the manga, but on the novels, where Yuuri continues to not show any sign of being romantically involved with Wolfram. He does, however, trust him above everyone else, even Conrad. So let's hope that ends up appearing in the anime too. ^^
Apr 28, 2008 4:29 PM

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mistee said:
Also, LOVE the image of Yuuri and Wolfram on your sig, sakumi-chan. XDD


heh heh =^_^= arigatou ! I'm a total YuuRam fangirl XDDD
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There are hints, of course, but unless we can say for sure that Yuuri is returning Wolfram's feelings, we can't say this IS a shounen ai anime. At least, I think so.


Well, ... let's put it this way: even though Yuuri is extremely clueless to his feelings ... I think it's safe to say that the anime is at least somewhat shonen ai ... I mean, every well known company has classified this show in that category ... XD so yeah, I'm still sticking to my shonen ai theory ( at least for a little while longer).

argh !!! wheeeeeen will it be official between Yuu-chan and Wolf-chan ?!?!? TT_TT *desperate fangirling moment* XDDD
Apr 29, 2008 11:59 PM

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yeah, this episode was great!

i guess i was kinda expecting them to reinstate the engagement. XD
YuuRam does have a lot of fans. XD
May 4, 2008 8:32 AM

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Haha I guess this series just wouldn't be the same without the Yuuri x Wolfram engagement XD
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Well the fact that both of Yuuri and Wolfram are GUYS make this series so special. Otherwise it would not be so interesting. I don't want one of them to be a girl. They are both very cute guys and I am happy because they are that way.

So the author has the intention from the very beginning to picture this relationship between two guys otherwise she would have picked up some girl and hooked her up with Yuuri or Wolfram.

I totally support Yuuram!

If only the anime could end with these two getting married (it will be too good to be true) or with a big hint that they might be together in the future (this is more probable)

That will be really something... I mean it will be a first! An action, adventure long anime with a gay couple as a canon pairing. I am totally into it and some change is good.

People should not really pay attention to gender. Both of Yuuri and Wolfram are cute. And they are cute together and this couple is charming because they are both GUYS.

Anyway YuuRam is not famous for nothing...

And by the way, it is obvious from the beginning (with the engagement) that this anime is more a shonen-ai even though it is not really a shonen-ai or it is more for fun. But Wolfram feelings are true and Yuuri has never rejected him. I mean if he was really disgusted, he would have complained all the time and forced Wolfram to break the engagement. But I think that maybe Yuuri is himself confused about his feeling for Wolfram...

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It has always disgusted me when people cringe at the sight of such an innocent, not-quite-canon pairing as Yuuram.
One of the reasons I love anime is that its culture is so much more open to homosexuality than we are in the Western world. In fact, the yaoi/shounen-ai genre has significantly more presence in Japan than here- our government censors the vast majority of these series based on homophobia.
In anime, homosexuality doesn't need to be a debate, a statement, or a crusade for equality. No one will question it if there are principle characters who happen to be gay- it's their character, not a moral statement.
Yet, many fans of this series- one of the relatively few series which HAS been released in the western world with homosexual themes- scorn and debate Yuuram. Whether or not they are legitimate should not be an issue. They are an almost-couple placed there mainly for comic relief and as a huge part of Wolframs character and his development.
So stop being homophobic, accept the possibility of Yuuram, and if you're not a yaoi fangirl, enjoy the pairing as casual comic relief.
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Aarana said:
I wouldn't think that Yuuri has any real relationship type feelings for Wolfram. I think his speach was "as a friend, you are like my family" trying to say that he wanted him close....but not like relationship close.
I agree to this. I think it's kind of cruel, actually, to be engaged to someone you're not interested in.

Altomare said:
And really, it is pretty sad to see that some people base their opinions of Wolfram/Yuuri on the whole gender thing.
Well, close mindedness is still very common.
Besides, most of them are still teens. Being still insecure in your own sexuality imo causes a lot of fear towards other peoples sexuality.
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Lol at Shinou whispering in Wolfram's uncle's ear.

Yuuri talking about seeing Wolfram as family was adorable. He was trying to say that Wolfram had a place there with them, that he was family too. So sweet!

I don't consider Yuuri shy, just inexperienced. Like Conrad has said, he's not ready for sex. He hasn't even had a romance, so insinuations would definitely embarrass him.

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Aarana said:
I wouldn't think that Yuuri has any real relationship type feelings for Wolfram. I think his speach was "as a friend, you are like my family" trying to say that he wanted him close....but not like relationship close.
I agree to this. I think it's kind of cruel, actually, to be engaged to someone you're not interested in.
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Probably my favorite episode of the series so far. Even if Yuri doesn't think of Wolfram in that way at this point, watching the bond between them deepen throughout the series has been sweet to watch.
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Cheap drama that doesn't even make sense. Valtorana should have already known about Yuuri's powers given what happened at the end of season 2, also the decision was collectively made by the 10 nobles what in the world did he expect to do all by himself!? A king has several people who work under him, how in the world can he pull off Wolfram to be the king without any support from any of the other nobles!? DUMB

This episode also shows how cheap and shallow Wolfram truly is. If that boy actually cared about Yuuri he would have broken the engagement mid-way through season 1 and let Yuuri be free from something that was a mistake to begin with. You literally have Wolfram barging into Yuuri's bed, never taking NO for an answer, hitting and accusing him unnecessarily and the moment the engagement is broken he's acting all distant as if he doesn't know what kind of a person Yuuri. The ending was also really dumb, Wolfram is such a deluded bastard he just had to get the engagement back on, weird that he being so distant and yet so forward regarding the engagement. That boy really doesn't understand Yuuri one bit.

On re-watching this after years one thing I'm noticing that the animation is stiff and really crappy specially for action scenes. Also felt like punching Greta in the face. Sorry, "I'm a cute little girl" doesn't work on me.

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