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@ktg Damn bro you wrote an essay out of desperation :D

ktg said:
Yes, more than one person rate a show, but that's how you know that it wasn't rated based on quality. The quality is the same even if you watch it or I watch it. So if we both rate it based on quality, then we will give or should have gave the same rating, because the quality was the same in both cases.
Wtf with whome I am even arguing here ๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜“??? everyone have different taste plus people of different age groups and gender is watching this how can you expect everyone to rate a show same.
ktg said:
You see the same frames, you hear the same sounds and you witness the same story, therefore the quality is the same. Every time someone watches the same series, the quality will be the same.
And that's how we know that ratings have nothing to do with quality, because everyone rates it differently
This might be one of the most brain-dead arguments I have ever heard in my life. There are people who doesn't like S2 of Vinland Saga because there is less action one the other hand there are people who consider it as a Masterpiece. Not everyone have similar taste ๐Ÿ˜…
ktg said:
Opinions have nothing to do with quality and yes, it is an opinion that you think SnK is a masterpiece. It won't become a masterpiece just because you think that, but you can certainly think that. You can also think that the Earth is flat, but that also won't change anything. Reality won't bend to your opinions, you can think whatever you want, but reality won't change.
???? You are the one who was projecting your subjective opinion not me. I was talking about collective opinions. Majority consider it to be a masterpiece that's why it's being soo highly rated. That's what I meant it's nothing to do with my opinion.

ktg said:
Joker is a bad example, because it never had the same amount of hype, it never had the same background that could carry a new movie.
No Joker is not a bad example but OK

ktg said:
Let's go with another example then, where it is much more clearer that the critics have different takes.
In case of Attack on Titan critic and majority of audiance have similar take so I don't see why this example even matters.
@ZXEAN I had to write an essay, because someone wrote a lot of bs. So it's simple math, to refute lot of bs, I had to write a lot of points.

ZXEAN said:
everyone have different taste plus people of different age groups and gender is watching this how can you expect everyone to rate a show same.

Good job, you refuted yourself. :DDD
Your point was that the rating represents the quality, but it cannot represent the quality if people rate shows based on their taste. Quality has nothing to do with taste. Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

ZXEAN said:
This might be one of the most brain-dead arguments I have ever heard in my life. There are people who doesn't like S2 of Vinland Saga because there is less action one the other hand there are people who consider it as a Masterpiece. Not everyone have similar taste ๐Ÿ˜…

Well, you should read your own statements, because even if I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to make more brain-dead statements than you do. :)
Again, you don't know the difference between pretty simple definitions. Liking or disliking something is different than something being good or bad. The former is subjective, completely depends on your own taste, while the latter is objective and it has nothing to do with you.
You can dislike a masterpiece, but it's still a masterpiece, because that's an objective statement.

Btw, no, Vinland Saga S2 objectively isn't a masterpiece. But it has nothing to do with our arguments. But it doesn't matter what people say, because there are people who say that the Earth is flat, but the Earth won't change its shape because of their statement.

ZXEAN said:
You are the one who was projecting your subjective opinion not me. I was talking about collective opinions. Majority consider it to be a masterpiece that's why it's being soo highly rated. That's what I meant it's nothing to do with my opinion.

Actually no. From the argument POV, you are also projecting your own subjective opinion on me. Because you cannot accept that someone is smarter than you.
Btw, you also shifted the argument. I wasn't talking about how high the rating is. My point was that the rating has nothing to do with quality and you agree with that, because people have different taste and taste has nothing to do with quality.

ZXEAN said:
No Joker is not a bad example but OK

It is. The hype needs build up. The Joker franchise where you had only a like a 2 hour long sequel a couple years ago is nowhere near close to a SnK where you waited a decade with more than 20 hours of content.
The cultural impact is really important in these cases, that's why the original Star Wars is a great example.

ZXEAN said:
In case of Attack on Titan critic and majority of audiance have similar take so I don't see why this example even matters.

In what world exactly? I'm anime only, but when the manga ended even I encountered lots of, lots of topic where people talked about how bad the ending was. There was even a petition to force the creators for a new ending.
SnK is one of the rare cases where people were really divided.
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@ZXEAN I had to write an essay, because someone wrote a lot of bs. So it's simple math, to refute lot of bs, I had to write a lot of points.

ZXEAN said:
everyone have different taste plus people of different age groups and gender is watching this how can you expect everyone to rate a show same.

Good job, you refuted yourself. :DDD
Your point was that the rating represents the quality, but it cannot represent the quality if people rate shows based on their taste. Quality has nothing to do with taste. Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

ZXEAN said:
This might be one of the most brain-dead arguments I have ever heard in my life. There are people who doesn't like S2 of Vinland Saga because there is less action one the other hand there are people who consider it as a Masterpiece. Not everyone have similar taste ๐Ÿ˜…

Well, you should read your own statements, because even if I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to make more brain-dead statements than you do. :)
Again, you don't know the difference between pretty simple definitions. Liking or disliking something is different than something being good or bad. The former is subjective, completely depends on your own taste, while the latter is objective and it has nothing to do with you.
You can dislike a masterpiece, but it's still a masterpiece, because that's an objective statement.

Btw, no, Vinland Saga S2 objectively isn't a masterpiece. But it has nothing to do with our arguments. But it doesn't matter what people say, because there are people who say that the Earth is flat, but the Earth won't change its shape because of their statement.

ZXEAN said:
You are the one who was projecting your subjective opinion not me. I was talking about collective opinions. Majority consider it to be a masterpiece that's why it's being soo highly rated. That's what I meant it's nothing to do with my opinion.

Actually no. From the argument POV, you are also projecting your own subjective opinion on me. Because you cannot accept that someone is smarter than you.
Btw, you also shifted the argument. I wasn't talking about how high the rating is. My point was that the rating has nothing to do with quality and you agree with that, because people have different taste and taste has nothing to do with quality.

ZXEAN said:
No Joker is not a bad example but OK

It is. The hype needs build up. The Joker franchise where you had only a like a 2 hour long sequel a couple years ago is nowhere near close to a SnK where you waited a decade with more than 20 hours of content.
The cultural impact is really important in these cases, that's why the original Star Wars is a great example.

ZXEAN said:
In case of Attack on Titan critic and majority of audiance have similar take so I don't see why this example even matters.

In what world exactly? I'm anime only, but when the manga ended even I encountered lots of, lots of topic where people talked about how bad the ending was. There was even a petition to force the creators for a new ending.
SnK is one of the rare cases where people were really divided.
ktg said:
Quality has nothing to do with taste.
Things which determines the quality of anime is the percentage of likes and dislike, media's appeal to wider audiance and animation quality

In case of Attack on Titan :

1. The ratio of between like/dislike is very high. Mal and other rating is the prime example. People like this show that what matters the most their might be multiple reasons for liking this show but there is multiple reasons for hate a show as well but you have to see the percentage of people on either spectrum.

2. Attack on Titan fanbase have people from all age group and gender. Majority of anime fans recommend Attack on Titan to other non anime watchers for a reason. Nobody in his right mind will recommend No Game no Life (Your favourite anime) to a non anime watchers. I don't think Incest and loli will be widely accepted by nominee unlike soo called Weebs/Otaku.

3. Attack on Titan doesn't suffer from rushed adaptation. The animation maintained constancy be it Wit or MAPPA both put their heart and soul in this project. Now Wit vs MAPPA which is better is a vast topic on it's own. Some consider MAPPA as better studio while other thinks WIT is better for AOT. I am not going in that territory.

ktg said:
You can dislike a masterpiece, but it's still a masterpiece, because that's an objective statement
That's I am saying for all this time but you keep posting long ass easy full of bullshit. Attack on Titan is a Masterpiece not because I am saying so it's a Masterpiece because of all the collective positive reviews and high rating across various rating platforms. It gain worldwide recognition like no other anime and is still relevant. Haters like you are present in every community but there is a significant difference in the percentage when you compare it with the people who genuinely appreciate the art.

ktg said:
Because you cannot accept that someone is smarter than you.
"Because you can't accept that someone is smarter that you."

ktg said:
In what world exactly? I'm anime only, but when the manga ended even I encountered lots of, lots of topic where people talked about how bad the ending was. There was even a petition to force the creators for a new ending.
SnK is one of the rare cases where people were really divided.
Those are haters who fall under the same catagory of general audience who rated the anime. I am talking about critics and general audience review which you presented by giving example of Star wars movies.


I didn't want to reply anymore. I seriously want to end this nonsense conversation but don't know why I end up replying anyway. I expect similar kind of reply in 2-3 days but please come up with better argument if you have any.
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Most people???

I think it's just some muv luv fanboys thinking that .

Most people are AoT and Muv Luv fans.

Most people likes AoT when it first came out, calling it one of the best dark fantasy titles.

However, as time passes, Isayama felt guilty for AoT success due to ripping off Muv-Luv Alternative, he starts confessing to the public that he is a MLA fanboy and is his main source of inspiration of becoming a mangaka.

This leads to many people getting curious and picking up Muv Luv. And most of them eventually end up liking Muv Luv more than AoT mainly due to worldbuilding.

Well, I am one of minority who picks up Muv Luv before AoT so I can see what Isayama is thinking about when he wrote Eren Yeager. Isayama writes Eren Yeager to answer the question what if Takeru fail to properly develop in Muv Luv.
@NewestPersonHere

Can you provide any sources where Isayama states about him ripping off MLA and that he was also a fanboy ?? I don't get your point here . You stated that MLA is a VN . How do many people end up liking or even picking up MLA when it's a VN whereas AOT is a mainstream Animated series . I myself would watch MLA rather than reading a VN even if it's garbage . But 90% of anime watchers aroud the world don't give a shi* about VN ..




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STSayeb said:
@NewestPersonHere

Most people???

I think it's just some muv luv fanboys thinking that .

Most people are AoT and Muv Luv fans.

Most people likes AoT when it first came out, calling it one of the best dark fantasy titles.

However, as time passes, Isayama felt guilty for AoT success due to ripping off Muv-Luv Alternative, he starts confessing to the public that he is a MLA fanboy and is his main source of inspiration of becoming a mangaka.

This leads to many people getting curious and picking up Muv Luv. And most of them eventually end up liking Muv Luv more than AoT mainly due to worldbuilding.

Well, I am one of minority who picks up Muv Luv before AoT so I can see what Isayama is thinking about when he wrote Eren Yeager. Isayama writes Eren Yeager to answer the question what if Takeru fail to properly develop in Muv Luv.
@NewestPersonHere

Also I am pretty much sure 99.99% of AOT watchers don't even know Something called "Muv Luv Alternative" exists . And a VN being compared to an Animated series ? AOT isn't recognized worldwide only for its Plot even if it actually copied it 100% from MLA .




Complex Stories are basically sleeping pills . Helps to get some sleep .


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If you loved Shingeki no Kyojin, then I think you're gonna enjoy Koutetsujou no Kabaneri. It looks stunning, has interesting premise, and it was made by Wit Studio as well as SnK.
@Adnash just because the premise and some other things are taken from AOT doesn't make it as much enjoyable as AOT . Kabaneri is a mess along with its plot and dumba** characters .




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STSayeb said:
@NewestPersonHere

Also I am pretty much sure 99.99% of AOT watchers don't even know Something called "Muv Luv Alternative" exists . And a VN being compared to an Animated series ? AOT isn't recognized worldwide only for its Plot even if it actually copied it 100% from MLA .

I will reply all your questions with one post because I am too lazy to type in 2 posts.

The truth is that many weebs nowadays are willing to pick up source material because anime nowadays are just promotional materials to sell the source material.
Many AOT fans read Muv-Luv before the MLA anime starts due to Isayama constant promotion of Muv-Luv.

Based on my past experience, a significant number of current Muv-Luv fans are former diehard AOT fans who picked Muv-Luv from Isayama’s recommendation and ended up enjoying Muv-Luv more than AOT

If you want to estimate the number of Muv-Luv fans in AOT fanbase, you can read the AOT AOE discussion threads months/years ago started by a Muv-Luv fans.

AOT manga ending went the Muv-Luv Unlimited path instead of the Muv-Luv Alternative path which results many weebs calling it a bad ending and then Muv-Luv fans questions the possibility of a good ending as seen in Muv-Luv Alternative, which leads to the AOE theory, which eventually turns out to be false. Yeah, that pretty much emphasised the size of Muv-Luv fans within AOT fanbase.


Now to your question on how big a Muv-Luv fanboy Isayama is. His speech in age 20th anniversary pretty much described his obsession with Muv-Luv
https://youtu.be/J5qLQytK99c?feature=shared

I don’t really want to comment too much on how he felt when he ripped off Muv-Luv Alternative for the creation of Attack On Titan. So I will leave it with this image from AOT manga afterword.
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Okay so after checking out your anime list and seeing some of the recommendations you have seen already. I am going to say claymore. Now it has been a while since I watched it so I can’t quite give specifics on how well it hits those themes from your list. (I actually just started rewatching it yesterday). But the way the show makes the watcher feel is similar to AoT, I think. Visually, I would have to say Claymore is definitely more dark and muted in color and not as eye catching. But the plot (if I remember correctly) is solid. It’s loaded with action and fighting scenes and characters carry deep pain from traumatic situations from monsters that eat people.

The claymore series is a lot shorter than AoT, so world building, mystery, and overall plot are maybe not as extensive, but I think it is still enjoyable and hit some of those things from AoT you might be looking for.

But it’s been maybe 9 years since I last watched it all the way through so if you watch it and think I’m way off base sorry. Hope you still liked it though.

Also it is in dub and sub so you can pick.
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Kara no Kyoukai/MONOGATARI/Vinland Saga/Magi/Violet Evergarden= GOD TIER MC development.


Gintama/Conan = best cast

Oregairu/Perfect Blue= mind blowing(yes Oregairu is a romance with a lot of throughts)
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