Hirogaru Sky! Precure Episode 19 Discussion

himecheese said:
Ngl the new attack doesn't feel like a new duo attack but more like Butterfly's new attack with a bit of Wing in it.

Yuri-Crusader said:
Magical boy anime. Everything revolves around him and his love interest. And my lesbian ships screen time is reduced to almost zero ofc not surprised over that one

A Boring episode IMO, overall focuses on graffiti and romance. We already have 2 million heterosexual romances this season but why not cram it in here as well 

Toei!! You are pissing me off. I want magical lesbians! Not this,,,, 1/10

Yuri-Crusader said:
Magical boy anime. Everything revolves around him and his love interest. And my lesbian ships screen time is reduced to almost zero ofc not surprised over that one

A Boring episode IMO, overall focuses on graffiti and romance. We already have 2 million heterosexual romances this season but why not cram it in here as well 

Toei!! You are pissing me off. I want magical lesbians! Not this,,,, 1/10

Sanic27 said:

I'd argue its more of a duo attack than sky and prisms considering wing and butterfly both do more than just stand still holding hands.

Anika05Suki said:
If you don't like Tsubasa so much, don't watch this anime and that's it.
To your misfortune, Tsubasa is part of the main team, he is a cure that was earned by right (Chapter 9) and despite the fact that he is a boy, he does not destroy the balance or steal the limelight.
Just because there's a boy and it ruins your yuri (because it's too obvious that you look at precure at that point) let me tell you that you are very wrong and this franchise is not for you.
Precure IS FOR KIDS, IT IS ITS TARGET, TOEI IS WORTH THE YURI BECAUSE IT HAS NEVER PUT IT OR WILL EVER PUT IT IN AN ANIME FOR KIDS!

Yuri-Crusader said:
I can watch this anime as much as I want. And I'm going to. Every time I see him I will bitch moan and complain, get used to it!! Or better use the ignore function. Because I don't care that you can't handle any kind of criticism against your favorite anime or husbando

IMO he hasn't earned shit he is just annoying as hell and I can stand him!! He is in the way for my lesbian ship!! I prefer cute girls in my anime not irritating males that steal all the spotlight. I want heroines, not heroes  

Oh my with your whole 16 days of watch time, you are the Yuri expert here, right? LOL 

Toei has several confirmed lesbians in their magical girl shows. There is even a lesbian kiss in one of their precure manga. Also, this started with strong Yuri vibes between Sora and Mashiro but sadly it seems to be nothing more than bait

Anika05Suki said:
It's really stupid that
1. Criticize only for the number of comments I have (which doesn't make sense)
2. You say that Tsubasa is in the middle of your yuri...really? Tsubasa right now is a 12-year-old brat who just wants to fulfill his dream and that's it! he doesn't give a damn about romance! Are you seriously mad at him just for that? If that's not pathetic of you then I don't know what is.
3. He was talking about the anime, not the manga. The manga very little or there are very few of these is canonical, the mangakas love yuri so....
4. Washio made it clear that the word Hero in this case is not theirs or his, it is generalized in both, in Japanese, Heroina translates to Heroin while Hero would be Hīrō. Sora wants to be a hero, not a heroine, he generalizes it regardless of the gender of the word. Here EVERYONE both they and he are heroes, not heroines and heroes.
Seriously, if you are going to complain, do it with arguments, not with meaningless nonsense.
PS: Tsubasa? Husband? HAHAHAHAHAHA wait...do you seriously think I'm defending Tsubasa just for that? what a good joke! I love Tsubasa but I don't consider him as a husband XD

Yuri-Crusader said:


I comment on your watch days not comments in the forum. You have very little experience in anime and don't know what you are talking about  

Yes, males are always in the way of Yuri. Toei is obsessed with heterosexual romance and often crams it in their magical girl show if a male is present 

No Im not wrong at all. From the moment he arrived, the focus has been more and more on him. Japan is in general a very sexist country and girls are not often allowed to be heroes if a male i present in anime. And you haven't even watched this episode or any episode beyond the 9e so what do you know? LOL 

Do it with arguments? Im using arguments. You are so insecure that you can't handle any opinions that differ from yours and dismiss them as not real arguments

Ofc he is your husbando. Here you are a "grown" woman going berserk because I don't like the same cartoon character as you do. You shouldn't take it so personally just because some people have a different taste than you

Eclipse_12 said:
You are the only "grown" person who has been whining for months about people liking a character you don't and taken it personally with ad hominem arguments against those who call you out on it based on meaningless things from their profiles or directly on made up assumptions.

This is Precure. It is a kids show. I was in Japan and stayed in Ikebukuro while the 20th Anniversary Exhibition was on and I saw with my own eyes that Precure's real main audience is little girls. Toei won't do anything to appeal to us fans in the West because we don't exist for their bottom line, so as far as the anime is concerned, they might do some yuri bait to appeal to otaku (who have money to spend on collector's merch), but actual canon yuri is out of the question because this isn't and will never be a yuri anime. Also, Tsubasa hasn't taken over the show nor is fighting on his own and stopping the girls from being heroes too, he is just a member of the team and thus he gets his focus episodes from time to time as any other cure would. One of the main reasons he exists is because Toei's market research found out that there were little boys in Japan watching Precure and they wanted to give them a character that they could see themselves in, as this show exists for Japanese kids and not for us. Of course I am nobody to tell you to drop this Precure, but if you dislike the show so much, I really don't understand why you keep on watching and then complain about it not being what it never set out to be.

Also, I think it is quite concerning that you see Tsubasa's and Ageha's relationship as romance and not like something close to a sibling relationship. It is a 12 year-old and a 18 year-old. I don't think that people are really shipping that. We just want to see them as an older sister and younger brother who care a lot about each other despite their differences.

Yuri-Crusader said:
Have I been whining because people like this male? Where? Show me a single post I have made where I complain that other people like him and tell them they can't like this character. You can like this character and anime as much as you want, I couldn't care less

You and the other gatekeepers, on the other hand, seem to be extremely irritated and need to call me out because I dare have a different opinion!! And telling me I can't criticize this anime. We wouldn't even have this conversation if YOU haven't started to address me, merely because I don't like your husbando

No, experience in anime is actually relevant. Especially when people with almost zero experience in anime or Yuri trying to lecture me about my favorite genre or how to define a Yuri 

Most anime is aimed at the Japanese audience and not at the West. Does that mean we can't have negative opinions about this media?  

And you are wrong again. The focus of this show has changed and the majority of the screen time is now devoted to him. Also, a lot of other things I dislike about him. He designs, his voice. Even his irritating ugly haircut pisses me off, it looks ridiculous!! That boy's haircut looks like a dog has taken a shit on his head!! It's one of the worst designs I have ever seen





But you are telling me I can't watch this anime because my criticism against your favorite cartoons angers you Lol

Sorry, but I don't really care about your feelings  And I probably going bitch and whine about the dog poop boy in future episodes as well. If you can't handle that please use the ignore function. No one forces you to read my posts after all =) 

Eclipse_12 said:

I will be answering paragraph by paragraph:

1. Trying to discredit other people's opinion on Tsubasa by deciding that he must be the husbando of anybody who defends him and insisting on that idea is of course a way of insulting those who like the character, as you use the concept to make fun of us. It's not that you are telling us that we can't like him, it is that your are trying to portray us as having an irrational love for the character that invalidates our opinion when the only irrational thing is your dislike for a fictional bird in a kids' show.

2. I wouldn't have really replied if this was only about Tsubasa. I was mostly ticked off by how you answered to the person who had replied to you before and thought it would be fun to put a target on my back too to see what kind of ad hominem and other crazyness I could get. The "gatekeeper" comment was specially interesting, considering I explicitly said I am nobody to tell you to drop this anime. The "husbando" part was kinda expected by now, but let me tell you that I am a straight guy and if anything I would have a waifu.

3. You cannot act like a person's anime list is a good measurement of their experience in anime. Mine is heavily incomplete because it doesn't include anything I watched before creating my account or during my early days in the site when I used it mostly to keep track of the last chapter I had read for some manga. Love Live is my main interest when it comes to anime and barely any of it is in my list. I am sure I am not the only one who hasn't put everything in it out of pure lazyness. Also, you might be very experienced in yuri, but if you think that Precure is yuri simply because there is more than one girl and they are friends with each other, you are wrong. Tsubasa doesn't ruin this yuri because it is not a yuri to begin with. I was at Toei's Precure 20th Anniversary Exhibition in Tokyo and there was a ton of stuff about friendship, girl power and challenging gender stereotypes, but not a single word about yuri.

4. That anime isn't targeted at the West of course doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on it or criticize it, but going after a kids' show for not being what it is not (a yuri) and instead trying to appeal to the target audience and giving more kids a character they can see themselves in is ridiculous. I am sure that there are many boys in Japan who are happy about Tsubasa because I was once a little boy who loved shows like Precure and would have been thrilled to have a boy in it. At the end of the day, what is relevant at the end of the day is how Japanese kids feel about Tsubasa because that is what Toei cares about, as we are nothing but guests in a space that belongs to those kids.

5. Tsubasa did get a lot of focus when introduced as he hadn't been part of the cast from the beginning as the rest, but after episode 11 we have had the following episodes:

12: Focus on Sky.
13: Shoes episode. Tsubasa doesn't even transform.
14: Sky focused Skyland episode.
15: Skyland episode. Tsubasa gets knocked out as soon as the main battle starts.
16: Elletaro episode. No real focus on anyone.
17: Sora and Mashiro episode.
18: Ageha episode. Cure Butterfly introduction.
19: Ageha and Tsubasa episode.
20: Mashiro episode.
21: Tsubasa episode (What a sin!)
22: Mostly Sky focused.

Out of the last 11 episodes, only two have had some real focus on Tsubasa. I think that you are the one who is wrong about his screen time and just feel that Tsubasa is everywhere because you can't see past your hate towards him.

6. You are fighting a straw man theee. I explicitly said that I am nobody to tell you to drop this Precure, which means that I am in no way in a position in which I can tell you what you should or shouldn't watch. I am just geniunely curious about why you keep on torturing yourself with something that you seem to hate so much that you need to constantly whine about it.