People calling this queer bait/yuri bait are insane!

Jan 12, 2023 5:24 PM

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icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

Jan 12, 2023 5:34 PM

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I thought it would be yuribait but after finishing the show it definitely isn't. It's clear Suletta has feelings for Miorine, and that Miorine's ones are developping as well. It was made pretty much obvious in both episodes 10 and 11.

Jan 12, 2023 5:52 PM

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LostSpectre said:

pinkreverie said:
“Queerbaiting” is a term used by people who don’t know much about film history… for years queer people couldn’t be shown in media so creators had to use queer subtext that would fly under the radars of censors, but queer people would still be able to pick up on. When people use queer subtext today, it is often branded as queerbaiting because some people expect to be told everything about characters instead of interacting and thinking about the media they watch… Hell, sometimes if characters are obviously queer and subtext isn’t used, people expect them to be super direct about it!
Suletta and Miorine shouldn’t have to turn and look straight at the viewers and say “We are gay” for people to accept that they’re gay and that the show isn’t queerbaiting… She is literally called her fiancé! It doesn’t get more obviously LGBTQ+ than that!

Right, and we're not in that era any longer, so it's not acceptable to be vague about it (not in terms of feelings, but a legitimate relationship) but that's neither here nor there, because the show isn't baiting just because you have to wait for the 2nd cour to see how their relationship will play out. The amount of stupidity when it comes to this subject here on the WFM sub is astounding, like trying to insist it's obviously baiting because she blushed when a boy talked to her or they haven't kissed by the third episode, etc. and that's not even getting into ignoring all the Utena symbolism, and what it means that the director literally wrote Utena's LN.

Yeah, people are being very inpatient. I'd rather have a developed relationship, if they just got together in the first cour and had no development it wouldn't be interesting at all. WFM is great so far but all the discourse about it has been so ridiculous haha

Jan 12, 2023 5:58 PM

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Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

Jan 12, 2023 9:28 PM

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icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Jan 12, 2023 10:39 PM

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icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

And you are bestowing us with the brief history of the Gundam communities on other platforms for what reason? To prove to us that the score algorithms and trends on MAL are not a clear representation of what a good show is?

You need to do some "time out" from social media. You just unbottled all of this out of frustration and anger... it isn't good for your mental health, why do you get so worked up?
You talk about longtime fans. I doubt that most of the OGs care at all, we are old enough to have kids. Why don't you let them talk for themselves? They are more than capable of doing that.

Let's take a step back and look at the scores for some of the Gundam shows.

Mobile Suit Gundam - 7.76 Ranked #1002
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - 7.89 Ranked #749
Why do these "Masterpieces" have such a low score?
Well is quite simple. These are very old shows. older than most MAL users. Unless you grew up with it, there's a low probability that you will come across it (unless you actively search for mecha shows). and if you do there are 50/50 chances that the story is not to your liking. Combine that with the animation, and I can already see about 50% of the community dropping this.

Mobile Suit Gundam the 08 MS team - 8.01 Ranked #571
Now, this is still an oldy but it is closer to the early 2000s anime wave. So it is a bit more noob friendly, you can watch it without knowing all the lore as well. Pretty friendly for new mecha lovers (at least back in the days...).

Mobile Suit Gundam SEED - 7.75 Ranked #1034
Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - 8.11 Ranked #443
Ah yes, these are like the Naruto/Bleach of the Gundam. Nothing else to add, people will either love them or hate them.

Then you have stuff like
Mobile Suit Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans - 8.04 Ranked #526
Just the new Anime generation. I don't hear people complaining about it. Mecha is a solid genre but it still is a niche. after all, it is not for everyone.

Mobile Suit Gundam The Witch from Mercury - 7.95 Ranked#642
If you ask me the show was ok, not bad by any means, but not a masterpiece either. It is a nice show, very welcomed as a winter show. So it is reasonable to believe that it will score higher than the OGs but lower than the newer good ones. If you want to talk about Gundam lore, The Witch from Mercury is in its own timeline AS exactly because nobody wanted to overly complicate the already messy Gundam lore. Sure you start to see some mainstream trends used in the show, but you can see similar trends in the other Gundams too.
I watched Witch from Mercury thinking it was a Gundam show, and it delivered on that. Sure it wasn't the best or the most engaging one, but it still is enjoyable. I appreciate the attention to detail and the effort to create a good world and characters. Sure many plot points fall short of questionable, but like I said in a previous post. Everyone is confused and everyone just rolls with it.

So I really don't understand why you are so angry about it... It has nothing to do with romance. It really sounds like you are genuinely pissed that this isn't another One Year War/War vs Zeon type of Gundam...

Like Calal said, stop generalizing Gundam fans. This has nothing to do with Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, or what's going on in the Gundam community...

My only question remains, why do you watch Gundam for the romance?
Most of the Gundam Romance subplots are disappointing. This never was a strong aspect of the title.

Jan 12, 2023 10:49 PM

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I think that they very much acknowledged that they wanted the relationship to be more than a romance, but sure let's just call anything with buildup bait, personally think that making it straight would just be spitting in the face of the Utena references but sure this is "Gundam", the revolution stopped in it's tracks. I guess Amuro and Char is already gay enough. I would argue that Gundam as a whole is inherently homoerotic. Not to mention the canonically gay characters like Yamagi Gilmerton from IBO and Rhineford Guin sard from Turn A Gundam or what happens at the ending of IBO. So I don't really know what these "real" Gundam fans are even mad about.

for the people mad that "it's catering to a different demographic", I would argue that the plot of the original Gundam is more reminiscent of the shoujo series of it's time, although I don't know why manga demographics matter with television original anime. Bandai can't always sell to the same Peter Pans, although they adamantly refuse to abandon them. The new UC entries are really cool, why would it even matter if someone didn't like the AU's, And even then 00 and Seed still live. Like they can't just keep having one year wars.

Somebody said that After War X had the strongest romance subplot, but I disagree, G Gundam. If anyone cares Gundam Seed would have the worst in my opinion.

To go into further detail I think that Suletta's and Miorine's relationship was quite well developed during this series, and I do think that it was leaning into something romantic, but I guess friends want to stay by each others side forever. I also would have had no problem with the series being straight if any of those possible relationships wouldn't be obnoxious. If anyone is saying that this series and the relationship between Suletta and Miorine is spitting in the face of "real Gundam" I'd question what they thought Gundam was even about.

And for anyone questioning the importance of romance in Gundam, I'd like to agree that the politics are also important in a Gundam entry, as they are here. However I would like to further emphasize the importance of human connection and relationships in Gundam. In the original Gundam I personally wouldn't really describe any of the relationships between newtypes as anything inherently solely romantic, there was more nuance to it. I think on a personal level that the relationships between the characters are one of the most interesting part of the original Gundam timeline and most other entries.

Edit* to make a further addition, which might be off topic. I don't really know why male characters being the "badguys" is suddenly an issue when that's the case with most Gundam antagonists, all this complaining about the series having a female lead seems, like halfhearted complaints about not being able to self-insert. Guel is a cool character as he is, don't really know why anyone would complain that there are no good male characters.

A lot of the critique that the series has received have been kind of absurd anyway, I guess the queerbait/yuribait complaint is just the tip of the iceberg

KumiveneellaJan 13, 2023 1:37 AM

Jan 13, 2023 3:07 AM

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icefirestone23

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Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Tokyo revengers is like the top selling manga in Japan and has far more viewership and better plot lines. Yet that new yuri garbage which no one is watching and had no prior hype or fanbase is ranked higher than it. Use your brain, jobless npcs have just ruined the score rankings and infected every social media platform.

No one can say this show is comparable to thr past gundam shows even ones that ended badly like 00, ibo, destiny. Just look at this show. Looks like /m/ and /u/ have had a bastard. The 80s shows were considered legends.

The yuri fandom has always been toxic. They attacked lyco reco for not making chisataki canon. They have attacked mha fand its creators for not making yuri canon. No other fandom can hijack a massive fandom like mha to such a degree. Now they are trashing mha like crazy for retribution against shipping bans.

Gundam's fanbase is on fire right now. They once again managed to turn another fandom into a shipping one.

icefirestone23Jan 13, 2023 3:36 AM

Jan 13, 2023 6:59 AM

#59

Calal-Chan

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icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Tokyo revengers is like the top selling manga in Japan and has far more viewership and better plot lines. Yet that new yuri garbage which no one is watching and had no prior hype or fanbase is ranked higher than it. Use your brain, jobless npcs have just ruined the score rankings and infected every social media platform.

No one can say this show is comparable to thr past gundam shows even ones that ended badly like 00, ibo, destiny. Just look at this show. Looks like /m/ and /u/ have had a bastard. The 80s shows were considered legends.

The yuri fandom has always been toxic. They attacked lyco reco for not making chisataki canon. They have attacked mha fand its creators for not making yuri canon. No other fandom can hijack a massive fandom like mha to such a degree. Now they are trashing mha like crazy for retribution against shipping bans.

Gundam's fanbase is on fire right now. They once again managed to turn another fandom into a shipping one.

Sorry I even gave you a response. You responded nothing to I have said and I wont be responding further. You are delusional. I spent a good amount of time taking everything you said and putting detail into my thought and you just start spewing hate. Are you sure you aren't part of the problem. Take a look in a mirror and good luck.

Ps. thank you for proving me that Tokyo Revengers is way more popular than that random Yuri show. You literally forgot what you typed to me before.

Jan 13, 2023 7:04 AM

#60

Calal-Chan

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Alokr said:

icefirestone23 said:

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

And you are bestowing us with the brief history of the Gundam communities on other platforms for what reason? To prove to us that the score algorithms and trends on MAL are not a clear representation of what a good show is?

You need to do some "time out" from social media. You just unbottled all of this out of frustration and anger... it isn't good for your mental health, why do you get so worked up?
You talk about longtime fans. I doubt that most of the OGs care at all, we are old enough to have kids. Why don't you let them talk for themselves? They are more than capable of doing that.

Let's take a step back and look at the scores for some of the Gundam shows.

Mobile Suit Gundam - 7.76 Ranked #1002
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam - 7.89 Ranked #749
Why do these "Masterpieces" have such a low score?
Well is quite simple. These are very old shows. older than most MAL users. Unless you grew up with it, there's a low probability that you will come across it (unless you actively search for mecha shows). and if you do there are 50/50 chances that the story is not to your liking. Combine that with the animation, and I can already see about 50% of the community dropping this.

Mobile Suit Gundam the 08 MS team - 8.01 Ranked #571
Now, this is still an oldy but it is closer to the early 2000s anime wave. So it is a bit more noob friendly, you can watch it without knowing all the lore as well. Pretty friendly for new mecha lovers (at least back in the days...).

Mobile Suit Gundam SEED - 7.75 Ranked #1034
Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - 8.11 Ranked #443
Ah yes, these are like the Naruto/Bleach of the Gundam. Nothing else to add, people will either love them or hate them.

Then you have stuff like
Mobile Suit Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans - 8.04 Ranked #526
Just the new Anime generation. I don't hear people complaining about it. Mecha is a solid genre but it still is a niche. after all, it is not for everyone.

Mobile Suit Gundam The Witch from Mercury - 7.95 Ranked#642
If you ask me the show was ok, not bad by any means, but not a masterpiece either. It is a nice show, very welcomed as a winter show. So it is reasonable to believe that it will score higher than the OGs but lower than the newer good ones. If you want to talk about Gundam lore, The Witch from Mercury is in its own timeline AS exactly because nobody wanted to overly complicate the already messy Gundam lore. Sure you start to see some mainstream trends used in the show, but you can see similar trends in the other Gundams too.
I watched Witch from Mercury thinking it was a Gundam show, and it delivered on that. Sure it wasn't the best or the most engaging one, but it still is enjoyable. I appreciate the attention to detail and the effort to create a good world and characters. Sure many plot points fall short of questionable, but like I said in a previous post. Everyone is confused and everyone just rolls with it.

So I really don't understand why you are so angry about it... It has nothing to do with romance. It really sounds like you are genuinely pissed that this isn't another One Year War/War vs Zeon type of Gundam...

Like Calal said, stop generalizing Gundam fans. This has nothing to do with Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, or what's going on in the Gundam community...

My only question remains, why do you watch Gundam for the romance?
Most of the Gundam Romance subplots are disappointing. This never was a strong aspect of the title.

Thanks for backing my post up (even if you are clearly not a fanboy of this show like me XD) but don't even give him the time of day. Look at his reply to what I said. I responded to his exact comment and he just spouted more hate and even proved himself wrong on a point.

Jan 13, 2023 11:54 AM

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Something that everyone is forgetting is how arguments of queerbaiting are misapplying two norms.

Firstly, they're misapplying the standards of anime whose primary genre is romance to an anime that has romance but potentially isn't even in the romance genre. I would argue that broadly the yuri genre is mostly focused on romcoms and slice of life, which don't require expensive budgets.

Secondly, there's the fact that from what I understand, Japanese romantic standards are more reserved. Romance anime might be a little closer to western standards due to the fact that they're the romance genre, which are intentionally somewhat "over-the-top". This is the case even in western romance media. How many successful "grand gestures" do you see in real life? By this same standard, Kaworu from Evangelion is an example of bait because the entirety of the romance is based on one sentence.

We're also talking about girls with a screwed up upbringing.

Even if we take it as a foregone conclusion that G-Witch is bait, it's still positively revolutionary that as big a franchise and institution of Gundam would include something like this. I'd be hard-pressed to name another example of something similar in Japan. Maybe the Gatchaman reboot? But that doesn't even come close.

Jan 13, 2023 1:11 PM

#62

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Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Tokyo revengers is like the top selling manga in Japan and has far more viewership and better plot lines. Yet that new yuri garbage which no one is watching and had no prior hype or fanbase is ranked higher than it. Use your brain, jobless npcs have just ruined the score rankings and infected every social media platform.

No one can say this show is comparable to thr past gundam shows even ones that ended badly like 00, ibo, destiny. Just look at this show. Looks like /m/ and /u/ have had a bastard. The 80s shows were considered legends.

The yuri fandom has always been toxic. They attacked lyco reco for not making chisataki canon. They have attacked mha fand its creators for not making yuri canon. No other fandom can hijack a massive fandom like mha to such a degree. Now they are trashing mha like crazy for retribution against shipping bans.

Gundam's fanbase is on fire right now. They once again managed to turn another fandom into a shipping one.

Sorry I even gave you a response. You responded nothing to I have said and I wont be responding further. You are delusional. I spent a good amount of time taking everything you said and putting detail into my thought and you just start spewing hate. Are you sure you aren't part of the problem. Take a look in a mirror and good luck.

Ps. thank you for proving me that Tokyo Revengers is way more popular than that random Yuri show. You literally forgot what you typed to me before.

You are delusional and just playing damage control. Similiar to mainstream media. The new fans are a plague to the gundam fandom attacking long time fans for disagreeing with them and labeling them as and ist and a phobe. Then censoring any criticism on the show.

G witch to gundam is basically just Ghostbusters 2016 and witcher blood origin. Absolutely disrespect everything they came before.

Jan 13, 2023 1:20 PM

#63

Calal-Chan

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icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Tokyo revengers is like the top selling manga in Japan and has far more viewership and better plot lines. Yet that new yuri garbage which no one is watching and had no prior hype or fanbase is ranked higher than it. Use your brain, jobless npcs have just ruined the score rankings and infected every social media platform.

No one can say this show is comparable to thr past gundam shows even ones that ended badly like 00, ibo, destiny. Just look at this show. Looks like /m/ and /u/ have had a bastard. The 80s shows were considered legends.

The yuri fandom has always been toxic. They attacked lyco reco for not making chisataki canon. They have attacked mha fand its creators for not making yuri canon. No other fandom can hijack a massive fandom like mha to such a degree. Now they are trashing mha like crazy for retribution against shipping bans.

Gundam's fanbase is on fire right now. They once again managed to turn another fandom into a shipping one.

Sorry I even gave you a response. You responded nothing to I have said and I wont be responding further. You are delusional. I spent a good amount of time taking everything you said and putting detail into my thought and you just start spewing hate. Are you sure you aren't part of the problem. Take a look in a mirror and good luck.

Ps. thank you for proving me that Tokyo Revengers is way more popular than that random Yuri show. You literally forgot what you typed to me before.

You are delusional and just playing damage control. Similiar to mainstream media. The new fans are a plague to the gundam fandom attacking long time fans for disagreeing with them and labeling them as and ist and a phobe. Then censoring any criticism on the show.

G witch to gundam is basically just Ghostbusters 2016 and witcher blood origin. Absolutely disrespect everything they came before.

The only person who attacked anyone here was you. Have a good day.

Jan 13, 2023 1:45 PM

#64

Kumiveneella

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icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:

Calal-Chan said:

icefirestone23 said:
a lot of gundam fans despise this show more than anything else in history for the franchise. It pretty much made the mecha fandom it into a yuri fandom, and now all criticism on g-witch on gundam forums is being met with bans. goes to show how toxic npcs are since they are hating on ever non yuri show now. G-witch is like the worst thing to happen to the franchise. It is equivalent of turning something like AOT into Yaoi

There are plenty of "worse" gundams then this and every fandom is volatile. It can't be blamed on a single show. This is an AU and Gundam AU's are supposed to try and do different things. Sorry you didn't enjoy it but clearly quite a few people did. What is so great about this show that a lot of modern Gundam have been forgetting is character development before everything goes to shit. Episode 12 is so tense because there are stakes for the characters.

And stop generalizing Gundam fans it makes them look bad.

First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook.

G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned. Which is funny since Morosawa Death celebration threads are allowed, but hating on a yuri is considered TOXIC and has to be banned. wtf
This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering.

I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf

I am gonna go by this one thing at a time and I am really bad a BBCode so I will quote what I respond too. Well I tried to say everything in a polite way and am way to lazy to spell check anything. Sorry if anything is hard to read again I am bad at the quote system

"First of the gundam fandom has always been toxic with au bashing a thing. But the problem isn't the gundam fandom. The problem is /u/ and them effectively hijacking gundam fan pages just like how they tried to do it with mha, and infected mal, r/anime, twitter, facebook. "

I don't even know what this is trying to say. Are you talking about reddit stuff or forums of MAL or just in general. Because forums on anything are toxic, but I don't think my thread was. It was just me being confused at people bashing for Yuri bait which I don't think the show is doing. Eitherway all fandoms are Toxic and it isn't an excuse to dislike a show because you dislike the Yuri fandom. Or whatever /u/ is.

"G-witch was like the first show to actually unite the entire /m/ against a gundam show for the first time. And /m/ has shat on so many aus like all the time from seed, ibo, wing, 00 etc. Then /u/ came along, and then all the g-witch hate threads got banned."

This is more just random reddit stuff that has nothing to actually do with the show G-witch. These shouldn't even be in conversation. Either way if the G-Witch hate threads are being removed it is probably because so many people these days are just trolling anyway, but it still has nothing to do with whether the show is good or not. It seems you just dislike the Yuri community and are taking it out on this show for no reason and ignoring what it actually does.

"This show was practically a sol and only made things serious in like the last episode. But since it wasted so much time in first 11 episodes, really no foreshadowing and build up. Episode 12 was basically 00 Trailblazeer all over again. Villains randomly come up, people yell scream and kill each other, they win. The end. The guys were practically jokes, and made to look like creeps. Character development kind of sucked since Mercury never looked like she was facing hardships since she was constantly stuttering."

Everything said here is just simply wrong. The show has some slice of life elements sure, but almost every episode also contained action politics and other normal gundam elements. I could literally go episode by episode and way less than half would be considered slice of life and I know because I love slice of life. There was also tons of foreshadowing and build up just maybe not what you wanted. We got tons of foreshadowing for who Sulletas mom is, whether or not Sulleta was a clone or not. We also got plenty of build up which had to do with character relationships. Such as Sulleta and Miorine, Sulleta and her Mom, Guel and Sulleta's relationship also had some interesting developments and Guel who looked sexist to start (which everyone complained about) wasn't actually sexist and now actually likes her. We had the entire thing with Elan and Sulleta's fight relating to her being a clone or something similar. We have had tons of different elements relating to race about Earthians and Spacians which builds up who you want to root for in the end.

I haven't seen 00 trailblazeer but that isn't what happened either. What villains just randomly showed up? You mean the ones from earth? They might be last minute additions but they were not random. We have seen Nika talking to Shaddiq multiple times before it showcasing suspicions in her actions and his which led up to them calling people from earth. They are less Villains and more hired assassins. It isn't like they went there on their own with no help. This is from both Shaddiq and Nika both characters we are well aware of from start to finish. One being a villain character Shaddiq and one we don't know whos side she is really on who is Nika. Not to mention characters like Sulleta's mom who could also as very well be a villain. The show is great and not making things black and white though.

The character development of Sulleta was actually fantastic. If you look at her and her stuttering you can actually see that certain characters she is more comfortable around or less comfortable around. Episode 11 even covers how she was feeling the entire season and how she puts on a front. But one little thing broke that front and she felt useless and pointless. Just because she wasn't facing hardships in the battles didn't mean she wasn't facing them with her anxiety. Which might I add is great because episode 12 right after her mom convinces her about the murder she stops stuttering even right after murding someone. She does it all with a happy face which showcases her mothers manipulation or even mind control suggestion. But to say she wasn't facing hardships because she was constantly stuttering makes no sense. The stuttering was part of her hardships and saying that shows a lack of understanding of her character.

"I mean just look at the gundam fandom now. It is a joke of it once was. A mecha show now having a bunch of yuri ships. I apologize if this was your first gundam or like it. But so many longtime fans just look at this show with disgust. No coincidence that every new show, especially if it is seen as a "harem" and even more if it is an "ecchi", is getting hate but the yuris are now declared the AOTY. Like Tenten Kakumei. People can smell the bs. Now Tenten Kakumei, a show nobody is watching that has no hype or prior fanbase is getting a higher score and clout than Tokyo revengers. wtf"

Most of this has no coleration with G-Witch and most of it is wrong anyway. I have tried plenty of Gundams in the past I just normally drop them due to the charaterization being quite lacking as a lot of what I have tried is focused on just flashly fights. Also where is the bunch of Yuri ships? We only have one with Sulleta and Miorine. At least ones that were developed. Other ships would just be a fanbase thing and again that says nothing whether the show is good or bad. Tenten Kakumei getting more clout than Revengers is just plain wrong. Tokyo Revengers has way more users and the first season is rated higher than Tenten. The second season is lower by like .4. The only thing Tenten has over it is a .4 score which is barely anything. I can't say much though since I dropped Revengers in season 1 since I thought it wasn't very good. Either way after reading and responding to literally almost everything I think you just have an extreme bias against the Yuri fandom which I don't think should have effected how you viewed this show. It isn't fair to judge a fandom for a show as all fandoms are cancer.

Tokyo revengers is like the top selling manga in Japan and has far more viewership and better plot lines. Yet that new yuri garbage which no one is watching and had no prior hype or fanbase is ranked higher than it. Use your brain, jobless npcs have just ruined the score rankings and infected every social media platform.

No one can say this show is comparable to thr past gundam shows even ones that ended badly like 00, ibo, destiny. Just look at this show. Looks like /m/ and /u/ have had a bastard. The 80s shows were considered legends.

The yuri fandom has always been toxic. They attacked lyco reco for not making chisataki canon. They have attacked mha fand its creators for not making yuri canon. No other fandom can hijack a massive fandom like mha to such a degree. Now they are trashing mha like crazy for retribution against shipping bans.

Gundam's fanbase is on fire right now. They once again managed to turn another fandom into a shipping one.

Sorry I even gave you a response. You responded nothing to I have said and I wont be responding further. You are delusional. I spent a good amount of time taking everything you said and putting detail into my thought and you just start spewing hate. Are you sure you aren't part of the problem. Take a look in a mirror and good luck.

Ps. thank you for proving me that Tokyo Revengers is way more popular than that random Yuri show. You literally forgot what you typed to me before.

You are delusional and just playing damage control. Similiar to mainstream media. The new fans are a plague to the gundam fandom attacking long time fans for disagreeing with them and labeling them as and ist and a phobe. Then censoring any criticism on the show.

G witch to gundam is basically just Ghostbusters 2016 and witcher blood origin. Absolutely disrespect everything they came before.

It's really easy to give out made up conspiracy theories.

It would be really nice if you actually elaborated on why you think that the series is "absolutely disrespect everything they came before", all you ever seem to give out is anecdotal fandom stuff. Like even the lesbian relationship isn't anything new nor would it being gay in general if that's what you meant, so I don't really know what it's disrespecting. Turn A Gundam already had a gay character in 1999 and Amuro and Char from the original timeline is meant to be inherently homoerotic as stated by Tomino.

Jan 13, 2023 2:10 PM

#65

Calal-Chan

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Kumiveneella said: