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Sep 2, 2022 10:44 AM
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I was suddenly worried about this issue, since I just found out that the remake of the very first VN in the series has undergone a heavy adjustment in the West, removing any hints of sexual content or any emphasis on the gender of the characters in the dialogue. I know this is part 3 and Crunchroll didn't translate VN, but should I be worried?
Sep 2, 2022 11:25 AM
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not that I've seen so far .
Sep 2, 2022 11:26 AM
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and mask of truth was originally released on PS4 and vita and it didn't have any erotic scenes. ecchi yes here and there but no mating outside of the original one on PC
Sep 2, 2022 11:31 AM
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Sakyo2021 said:
and mask of truth was originally released on PS4 and vita and it didn't have any erotic scenes. ecchi yes here and there but no mating outside of the original one on PC


I didn't say that it had sex scenes. My point is that any sexual innuendo has been removed from the dialogue.
Sep 2, 2022 11:35 AM
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Again not that I know of. And yes I've played all of them
Sep 2, 2022 1:14 PM
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Sakyo2021 said:
Again not that I know of. And yes I've played all of them


Again, I am not questioning any of your experiences. I'm only talking about censoring the remake of the original game.
Sep 3, 2022 11:14 AM
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Say is it ok to start the anime without any prior knowledge l saw there are some tactical rpgs on steam from the same series so asked
Sep 3, 2022 2:20 PM
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sabeerareeb said:
Say is it ok to start the anime without any prior knowledge l saw there are some tactical rpgs on steam from the same series so asked


Only the second, since it does not require familiarization with the first. The third is already waiting for you to watch at least the second.
Sep 5, 2022 9:09 AM
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RobertBobert said:
I was suddenly worried about this issue, since I just found out that the remake of the very first VN in the series has undergone a heavy adjustment in the West, removing any hints of sexual content or any emphasis on the gender of the characters in the dialogue. I know this is part 3 and Crunchroll didn't translate VN, but should I be worried?

There is no censorship in any of the versions available in English. This is coming from someone that went through the remake both on PS4 and PC, the PC version is better, and the same parts of the original from 2002. I can tell you that nothing was changed in the English versions that was not already changed in the Japanese versions besides a single scene that was at the request and supervision of the original Japanese creators in Mask of Deception due to publishing laws in certain regions that'd cause it to not be published at all. However, this change is purely cosmetic and does not remove any kind of nuance or intention from the actual scene or game in question.
For the original game's remake, there is an article going around, which you are likely referencing with this post, however it has no real basis as the Japanese translations it's using are machine translated and not actually representative of what it says in Japanese. Crunchyroll has also had no part in any kind of translation or localization for anything beyond the anime adaptations. Aquaplus have been, and likely always will be, in charge of all official localizations and translations of original, canon material. This includes proofreading and going over scripts.
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Sep 5, 2022 9:36 AM

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Animaniaig said:
RobertBobert said:
I was suddenly worried about this issue, since I just found out that the remake of the very first VN in the series has undergone a heavy adjustment in the West, removing any hints of sexual content or any emphasis on the gender of the characters in the dialogue. I know this is part 3 and Crunchroll didn't translate VN, but should I be worried?

There is no censorship in any of the versions available in English. This is coming from someone that went through the remake both on PS4 and PC, the PC version is better, and the same parts of the original from 2002. I can tell you that nothing was changed in the English versions that was not already changed in the Japanese versions besides a single scene that was at the request and supervision of the original Japanese creators in Mask of Deception due to publishing laws in certain regions that'd cause it to not be published at all. However, this change is purely cosmetic and does not remove any kind of nuance or intention from the actual scene or game in question.
For the original game's remake, there is an article going around, which you are likely referencing with this post, however it has no real basis as the Japanese translations it's using are machine translated and not actually representative of what it says in Japanese. Crunchyroll has also had no part in any kind of translation or localization for anything beyond the anime adaptations. Aquaplus have been, and likely always will be, in charge of all official localizations and translations of original, canon material. This includes proofreading and going over scripts.


Are you saying that the Japanese deliberately removed any references to gender or sexual innuendos from a game that was never even problematic?
Sep 5, 2022 9:46 AM
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RobertBobert said:
Animaniaig said:

There is no censorship in any of the versions available in English. This is coming from someone that went through the remake both on PS4 and PC, the PC version is better, and the same parts of the original from 2002. I can tell you that nothing was changed in the English versions that was not already changed in the Japanese versions besides a single scene that was at the request and supervision of the original Japanese creators in Mask of Deception due to publishing laws in certain regions that'd cause it to not be published at all. However, this change is purely cosmetic and does not remove any kind of nuance or intention from the actual scene or game in question.
For the original game's remake, there is an article going around, which you are likely referencing with this post, however it has no real basis as the Japanese translations it's using are machine translated and not actually representative of what it says in Japanese. Crunchyroll has also had no part in any kind of translation or localization for anything beyond the anime adaptations. Aquaplus have been, and likely always will be, in charge of all official localizations and translations of original, canon material. This includes proofreading and going over scripts.


Are you saying that the Japanese deliberately removed any references to gender or sexual innuendos from a game that was never even problematic?

I'm saying that those were never in the script or never had the meaning that people said they did. The MTL used to create this "controversy", as it always does, made mistakes due to various nuances in the Japanese text that it's unable to pick up. While the translation of the game's remake is not perfect by any means, it absolutely stays true to the original script with zero censorship. All sexual innuendos are all there.
If this is the article you're referencing, then I am absolutely right as me and some other people fluent in Japanese have gone over this in the official Utawarerumono Discord and came to the exact same conclusion that I've said here. https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/09/01/english-localization-for-utawarerumono-prelude-to-the-fallen-under-scrutiny-over-nis-americas-cutting-of-lewd-and-gendered-dialogue/
Sep 5, 2022 9:49 AM

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Animaniaig said:
RobertBobert said:


Are you saying that the Japanese deliberately removed any references to gender or sexual innuendos from a game that was never even problematic?

I'm saying that those were never in the script or never had the meaning that people said they did. The MTL used to create this "controversy", as it always does, made mistakes due to various nuances in the Japanese text that it's unable to pick up. While the translation of the game's remake is not perfect by any means, it absolutely stays true to the original script with zero censorship. All sexual innuendos are all there.
If this is the article you're referencing, then I am absolutely right as me and some other people fluent in Japanese have gone over this in the official Utawarerumono Discord and came to the exact same conclusion that I've said here. https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/09/01/english-localization-for-utawarerumono-prelude-to-the-fallen-under-scrutiny-over-nis-americas-cutting-of-lewd-and-gendered-dialogue/


I have been working with machine translation for many years and I know very well how far it can differ from the original. And it doesn't look like a difference caused by machine translation. However, if you consider phrases like "I'm absolutely right" to be completely normal, further conversation is pointless.
Sep 5, 2022 10:01 AM
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RobertBobert said:
Animaniaig said:

I'm saying that those were never in the script or never had the meaning that people said they did. The MTL used to create this "controversy", as it always does, made mistakes due to various nuances in the Japanese text that it's unable to pick up. While the translation of the game's remake is not perfect by any means, it absolutely stays true to the original script with zero censorship. All sexual innuendos are all there.
If this is the article you're referencing, then I am absolutely right as me and some other people fluent in Japanese have gone over this in the official Utawarerumono Discord and came to the exact same conclusion that I've said here. https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/09/01/english-localization-for-utawarerumono-prelude-to-the-fallen-under-scrutiny-over-nis-americas-cutting-of-lewd-and-gendered-dialogue/


I have been working with machine translation for many years and I know very well how far it can differ from the original. And it doesn't look like a difference caused by machine translation. However, if you consider phrases like "I'm absolutely right" to be completely normal, further conversation is pointless.

I say I'm absolutely right because this is an article and controversy created by people that have no actual care for authorial intent, in fact they disregard it entirely if it doesn't agree with their point, has no understanding of language barriers and the differences in nuance or the translation/localization process. Hence why they're using MTL to try and prove a point because of a vendetta this group in particular have against translation and localization as a whole despite not knowing any kind of Japanese at all themselves. If there was actually something wrong with the localization removing content, changing nuances and so on I'd be the first to mention it as I have with various other VNs and games in the past.
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Animaniaig said:
RobertBobert said:


I have been working with machine translation for many years and I know very well how far it can differ from the original. And it doesn't look like a difference caused by machine translation. However, if you consider phrases like "I'm absolutely right" to be completely normal, further conversation is pointless.

I say I'm absolutely right because this is an article and controversy created by people that have no actual care for authorial intent, in fact they disregard it entirely if it doesn't agree with their point, has no understanding of language barriers and the differences in nuance or the translation/localization process. Hence why they're using MTL to try and prove a point because of a vendetta this group in particular have against translation and localization as a whole despite not knowing any kind of Japanese at all themselves. If there was actually something wrong with the localization removing content, changing nuances and so on I'd be the first to mention it as I have with various other VNs and games in the past.


I don't care about your motivation, to be honest. I prefer to ignore arguments with people who not only think they are absolutely right, but also cite themselves as evidence.
Sep 10, 2022 12:22 PM
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i don't have the time to read all the other forum messages so sorry if i m repeating this

in MoD and MoT, the only censorship is when munechika is beating Anju. in the Japanese version she is hitting her on her bare butt but in the English version, she hits anju with her pants on.
sorry if I missed any other censorship (but I don't think there is any, other than this)

as for PttF, it is a remake of the ps2 version from 2006. the PC version, which wasn't officially translated, had sex scenes but they were removed for the ps2 version for both the Japanese and English versions. so yeah there is no censorship in the eng version. they are the same as the Japanese version except they are English(duh)
The sex of story importance still occurs but the scene is not shown. in its place, a view of a starry night is shown
Sep 10, 2022 12:37 PM

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mystic_vitriol said:
i don't have the time to read all the other forum messages so sorry if i m repeating this

in MoD and MoT, the only censorship is when munechika is beating Anju. in the Japanese version she is hitting her on her bare butt but in the English version, she hits anju with her pants on.
sorry if I missed any other censorship (but I don't think there is any, other than this)

as for PttF, it is a remake of the ps2 version from 2006. the PC version, which wasn't officially translated, had sex scenes but they were removed for the ps2 version for both the Japanese and English versions. so yeah there is no censorship in the eng version. they are the same as the Japanese version except they are English(duh)
The sex of story importance still occurs but the scene is not shown. in its place, a view of a starry night is shown


I don't say anything about the sex scenes as their removal was expected as the franchise progressed.
Sep 10, 2022 1:25 PM
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RobertBobert said:

I don't say anything about the sex scenes as their removal was expected as the franchise progressed.

yeah, nothing to worry about then (probably). the only difference I know of is the anju one.

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