| Poor communication on BOTH ends. It's both their fault equally but than again, it's kinda stupid to try quantifying 'fault'. |
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| They became distant and relationship got toxic. But mostly Mizuto was at fault. Yume was meek and had no friends. He helped her gain confidence by hanging out with her. Once she gained friends and spent less time with him, he became jealous and lashed out at her. Yume later accused him of cheating, which Mizuto did not took lightly and it was a nail to the coffin. |
PiromyslSep 1, 2022 6:26 AM
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Pru112 said: Who do u think majorly made the relationship fall apart ayai or mizuto Mizuto, started this. He drew a shy girl out of her shell then tried to stuff her back in it when she began to spread her wings. He knew she had low confidence and low self-esteem but wouldn't make the moves he should have. He projected himself as some sort of white knight but then failed to follow up when it was actually important. Ayai misbehaved for sure, but Mizuto was turning her life upside down. |
borderlinerSep 1, 2022 5:05 AM
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| Both of them at fault, middle schoolers at their first ever relationship, you don’t expect them to act like grown ups when it comes to their relationship lol |
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| Both of them are at fault in this case like come on! Several months of doing nothing not even a single message like "ohayou" or "gomen nasai" or even a sticker on the messaging app unless they didn't exchange phone numbers or chat IDs for some dumb reason. |
BioticKhajiit said: borderliner said: Mizuto, started this. He drew a shy girl out of her shell then tried to stuff her back in it when she began to spread her wings. He knew she had low confidence and low self-esteem but wouldn't make the moves he should have. He projected himself as some sort of white knight but then failed to follow up when it was actually important. Ayai misbehaved for sure, but Mizuto was turning her life upside down. Hardly, she began to overly neglect him in favour of hanging out with her friends to an excessive degree. He didnt become overly possessive at all. He hardly projected himself as a white knight either. Overly neglect!? Hanging out to an excessive degree!!?? He snapped first, "I have no interest in hearing about your friends" no jealousy there, not a hint of possessiveness. And who brought up Christmas and Valentines then completely failed to come through. He plays the active role, Ayai is somewhat passive, but when it comes to taking action, he's a wash. And when Ayai takes action, he ignores it (or is too wrapped up in himself to notice) or he actively stamps it out. |
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TovarishTony said: Both of them are at fault in this case like come on! Several months of doing nothing not even a single message like "ohayou" or "gomen nasai" or even a sticker on the messaging app unless they didn't exchange phone numbers or chat IDs for some dumb reason. I think it's clear they're both at fault. But in a situation where one party appears socially confident and the other has barely made friends with anyone else who would you expect to take the first step? |
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borderliner said: BioticKhajiit said: Hardly, she began to overly neglect him in favour of hanging out with her friends to an excessive degree. He didnt become overly possessive at all. He hardly projected himself as a white knight either. Overly neglect!? Hanging out to an excessive degree!!?? He snapped first, "I have no interest in hearing about your friends" no jealousy there, not a hint of possessiveness. And who brought up Christmas and Valentines then completely failed to come through. He plays the active role, Ayai is somewhat passive, but when it comes to taking action, he's a wash. And when Ayai takes action, he ignores it (or is too wrapped up in himself to notice) or he actively stamps it out. At least the way they showed it, she clearly started ignoring him and prioritizing her friends: as we saw it, that was happening for a long time before he lost patience. It's one thing to have her own life, and another to focus on it so much it affects your relationship. He made a mistake by not controlling his emotions, as simply saying how he feels would've probably solved this problem. But after he apologized they could've made up. Instead, she accused him of cheating - something much worse than his outburst - and never actually apologized for that. I'm baffled how can you put more blame on him. And no, he had no responsibility for Valentines and Christmas. By that time they were done and both sides knew that. But even if we ignore that, they still had exactly same "responsibility" to contact other one and invite them. In the end Mizuto is the one who did the most to save this relationship, and you accuse him of not doing enough? borderliner said: But in a situation where one party appears socially confident and the other has barely made friends with anyone else who would you expect to take the first step? It doesn't matter. They are equal in a relationship and are equally responsible for making first, or any further, step. On top of that Mizuto actually did show more initiative: it was him who suggested they need to make up. As a side note, I like how this breakup worked. No some overblown drama. It's realistic and similar to relationship problems average person experiences. |
JustAnotherShiroSep 1, 2022 7:52 AM
ThirteenEleven said: borderliner said: Overly neglect!? Hanging out to an excessive degree!!?? He snapped first, "I have no interest in hearing about your friends" no jealousy there, not a hint of possessiveness. And who brought up Christmas and Valentines then completely failed to come through. He plays the active role, Ayai is somewhat passive, but when it comes to taking action, he's a wash. And when Ayai takes action, he ignores it (or is too wrapped up in himself to notice) or he actively stamps it out. At least the way they showed it, she clearly started ignoring him and prioritizing her friends: as we saw it, that was happening for a long time before he lost patience. It's one thing to have her own life, and another to focus on it so much it affects your relationship. He made a mistake by not controlling his emotions, as simply saying how he feels would've probably solved this problem. But after he apologized they could've made up. Instead, she accused him of cheating - something much worse than his outburst - and never actually apologized for that. I'm baffled how can you put more blame on him. And no, he had no responsibility for Valentines and Christmas. By that time they were done and both sides knew that. But even if we ignore that, they still had exactly same "responsibility" to contact other one and invite them. In the end Mizuto is the one who did the most to save this relationship, and you accuse him of not doing enough? borderliner said: But in a situation where one party appears socially confident and the other has barely made friends with anyone else who would you expect to take the first step? It doesn't matter. They are equal in a relationship and are equally responsible for making first, or any further, step. On top of that Mizuto actually did show more initiative: it was him who suggested they need to make up. As a side note, I like how this breakup worked. No some overblown drama. It's realistic and similar to relationship problems average person experiences. In no way did they show Ayai ignoring Mizuto, what she was doing was healthy and she was excited to bring Mizuto into that new part of her world. He closed that down. And what relationship did they have, bound by Mizuto's cowardice (his words) they barely progress as a couple and when she asks, he makes empty promises. And remember who is cast as the big brain in this show, Mizuto doesn't forget, he also knows exactly what type of character Ayai is, but he fails to consider her feelings at all, he is solely concerned for his own comfort, and to that end he makes a promise and reneges on it. I'm pretty interested that you think his mistake was to not control his emotions, from my perspective Ayai losing control over hers and accusing him of cheating shows how much more committed to the relationship she was. Mizuto's apology was empty of emotion, he's not only a coward he's a cold fish. Mizuto's suggestion they make up was just another hollow sham, he only wanted the relationship on his terms, in my eyes he as good as engineered the breakup. |
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borderliner said: ThirteenEleven said: At least the way they showed it, she clearly started ignoring him and prioritizing her friends: as we saw it, that was happening for a long time before he lost patience. It's one thing to have her own life, and another to focus on it so much it affects your relationship. He made a mistake by not controlling his emotions, as simply saying how he feels would've probably solved this problem. But after he apologized they could've made up. Instead, she accused him of cheating - something much worse than his outburst - and never actually apologized for that. I'm baffled how can you put more blame on him. And no, he had no responsibility for Valentines and Christmas. By that time they were done and both sides knew that. But even if we ignore that, they still had exactly same "responsibility" to contact other one and invite them. In the end Mizuto is the one who did the most to save this relationship, and you accuse him of not doing enough? It doesn't matter. They are equal in a relationship and are equally responsible for making first, or any further, step. On top of that Mizuto actually did show more initiative: it was him who suggested they need to make up. As a side note, I like how this breakup worked. No some overblown drama. It's realistic and similar to relationship problems average person experiences. In no way did they show Ayai ignoring Mizuto, what she was doing was healthy and she was excited to bring Mizuto into that new part of her world. He closed that down. And what relationship did they have, bound by Mizuto's cowardice (his words) they barely progress as a couple and when she asks, he makes empty promises. And remember who is cast as the big brain in this show, Mizuto doesn't forget, he also knows exactly what type of character Ayai is, but he fails to consider her feelings at all, he is solely concerned for his own comfort, and to that end he makes a promise and reneges on it. I'm pretty interested that you think his mistake was to not control his emotions, from my perspective Ayai losing control over hers and accusing him of cheating shows how much more committed to the relationship she was. Mizuto's apology was empty of emotion, he's not only a coward he's a cold fish. Mizuto's suggestion they make up was just another hollow sham, he only wanted the relationship on his terms, in my eyes he as good as engineered the breakup. Oh, but they did show that. We had scenes with her only talking about her friend, we had scene when she was too busy to meet with him. Sure, we don't know their full schedule, but the way it was shown, it's implied that she was entirely absorbed with her friends and neglected their time as a couple. And wtf is with his cowardice? He just said it openly. At the same time she was much bigger coward - she just was never able to admit it. Or are you going to tell me that them not having sex is also his fault? As for promises, if it's again about Valentines and Christmas, then as I said, that was their mutual responsibility. THEY promised to meet, not he alone. He might started that topic back then, but in the end it wasn't his invitation but a mutual agreement. What's more, if any of them had any hope for Christmas, they'd be buying presents ahead of time. They (yes, Yume too) didn't, as they clearly knew neither side will speak up. For Valentines ball was entirely on her side. And again: it doesn't matter who she is. She is equal to him in that relationship and has same privileges and responsibilities. Hiding behind ones shyness and using it as excuse is low. And for that matter Mizuto is much less social that her, he doesn't have any friends lol. He might have easier time speaking to strangers, but at this point she already "opened" to him so that's not an argument. At this rate you could as well go with "he is a guy, he should take the lead"... Huh? How was his apology empty? He clearly felt bad about his outburst and then apologized. And no way in hell she was more comitted! Just look at their feelings later: he is the one who got devastated by this relationship and couldn't bear it. Yume? For her it just ended, she even still has some lingering feelings, which means he never hurt her as much as she did him. Tbh if you see his attempt at fixing relationship as sham, then I don't even know what to say to that. Idk in how many fights you were in your relationships, hopefully none, but the way he did it looked super natural to me, pretty much exact same way I did it once. |
JustAnotherShiroSep 1, 2022 9:57 AM
| What is this weird idea that Ayai was ignoring her duty to hang out with Mizuto!? Just how did a couple of scenes get turned into her continuously rejecting his invites. And then using an unfounded claim to suggest he was somehow justified in lashing out at her and his only fault is the way he said it. Well so far as I can see, his back was up from the moment she said she'd made a friend. And that look when she dared to pick a book someone else had recommended. And she was the one asking to make some couple memories, nice of him to kick the can down the road with empty promises about some events months and months away. Why didn't he suggest a weekend date right there. Oh, that's right, because it's the shy one who has to do that otherwise it's not an "equal" relationship |
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Piromysl said: They became distant and relationship got toxic. But mostly Mizuto was at fault. Yume was meek and had no friends. He helped her gain confidence by hanging out with her. Once she gained friends and spent less time with him, he became jealous and lashed out at her. Yume later accused him of cheating, which Mizuto did not took lightly and it was a nail to the coffin. Are you kidding me? Mostly Mizuto’s fault? She didn’t apologize to him at all for accusing him for cheating. Honestly, how could you even suggest that it was mostly his fault when he apologized twice and didn’t accuse her of something as disrespectful as cheating. You’re just siding with the girl here. Both were definitely at fault but one of them tried to resolve it while the other expected everything but did nothing. |
MrFlakey said: I'm just going to say this. if she was older I would have hated her guts. the only excuse Yume had is that she's in middle school and it's natural to be immature. if she was a grown ass adult that would have been a bitch behavior Yes, most sensible comment in this thread so far |
Animillion said: Piromysl said: They became distant and relationship got toxic. But mostly Mizuto was at fault. Yume was meek and had no friends. He helped her gain confidence by hanging out with her. Once she gained friends and spent less time with him, he became jealous and lashed out at her. Yume later accused him of cheating, which Mizuto did not took lightly and it was a nail to the coffin. Are you kidding me? Mostly Mizuto’s fault? She didn’t apologize to him at all for accusing him for cheating. Honestly, how could you even suggest that it was mostly his fault when he apologized twice and didn’t accuse her of something as disrespectful as cheating. You’re just siding with the girl here. Both were definitely at fault but one of them tried to resolve it while the other expected everything but did nothing. I'm pretty sure that it was him who instigated this whole mess and his half assed, insencire apology didn't do much to salvage it. |
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Piromysl said: Animillion said: Are you kidding me? Mostly Mizuto’s fault? She didn’t apologize to him at all for accusing him for cheating. Honestly, how could you even suggest that it was mostly his fault when he apologized twice and didn’t accuse her of something as disrespectful as cheating. You’re just siding with the girl here. Both were definitely at fault but one of them tried to resolve it while the other expected everything but did nothing. I'm pretty sure that it was him who instigated this whole mess and his half assed, insencire apology didn't do much to salvage it. His apology in the library was sincere tho. I’m not sure how much more of an apology you’d want at that point, lol. And then she makes that allegation of cheating against him. And yea he definitely started the issue, but she elongated it to a point where it was no longer fixable. If she were older, she’d be seen as an ass for doing this, but I guess you can chalk this up to being immature at that age. |
Animillion said: Piromysl said: I'm pretty sure that it was him who instigated this whole mess and his half assed, insencire apology didn't do much to salvage it. His apology in the library was sincere tho. I’m not sure how much more of an apology you’d want at that point, lol. And then she makes that allegation of cheating against him. And yea he definitely started the issue, but she elongated it to a point where it was no longer fixable. If she were older, she’d be seen as an ass for doing this, but I guess you can chalk this up to being immature at that age. Judging by how he lashed out at her immediately after, it is pretty clear the apology was nit sincere at all and out of obligation. And yes, Yume is a dumb, young immature woman β, so you can't really expect much from her. But so was Mizuto. |
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Piromysl said: Animillion said: His apology in the library was sincere tho. I’m not sure how much more of an apology you’d want at that point, lol. And then she makes that allegation of cheating against him. And yea he definitely started the issue, but she elongated it to a point where it was no longer fixable. If she were older, she’d be seen as an ass for doing this, but I guess you can chalk this up to being immature at that age. Judging by how he lashed out at her immediately after, it is pretty clear the apology was nit sincere at all and out of obligation. And yes, Yume is a dumb, young immature woman β, so you can't really expect much from her. But so was Mizuto. You mean if someone is accused of cheating, they should take that lightly? Seriously come on, you’re just standing up for the girl here when she was in the wrong. And yea, even if the 2nd apology were half-assed (his first apology in the library was definitely genuine), it’s better than the crap she pulled off. Both were immature, but her actions as a whole were worse. |
Animillion said: Piromysl said: Judging by how he lashed out at her immediately after, it is pretty clear the apology was nit sincere at all and out of obligation. And yes, Yume is a dumb, young immature woman β, so you can't really expect much from her. But so was Mizuto. You mean if someone is accused of cheating, they should take that lightly? Seriously come on, you’re just standing up for the girl here when she was in the wrong. And yea, even if the 2nd apology were half-assed (his first apology in the library was definitely genuine), it’s better than the crap she pulled off. Both were immature, but her actions as a whole were worse. I'm saying, that if you decide to apologise literally THE WORST thing you can do is to lash out immediately after. Mizuto prioritized his pride over relationship, which was an ultimate nail to the coffin, becsuse everything went the downward spiral from there and was completely unsalvageable at this point. |
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Piromysl said: Animillion said: You mean if someone is accused of cheating, they should take that lightly? Seriously come on, you’re just standing up for the girl here when she was in the wrong. And yea, even if the 2nd apology were half-assed (his first apology in the library was definitely genuine), it’s better than the crap she pulled off. Both were immature, but her actions as a whole were worse. I'm saying, that if you decide to apologise literally THE WORST thing you can do is to lash out immediately after. Mizuto prioritized his pride over relationship, which was an ultimate nail to the coffin, becsuse everything went the downward spiral from there and was completely unsalvageable at this point. Anyone would be devastated/pissed if they were accused of cheating. You’re completely overlooking this major detail. He has every right to get pissed over that accusation. His reaction after that accusation was justified, and it doesn’t take away from his genuine apology prior to that. I’m not ignoring that him instigating the whole thing was his bad, but her comments shouldn’t have been taken lightly, no matter how immature she is, and it only made things worse |
Animillion said: Piromysl said: I'm saying, that if you decide to apologise literally THE WORST thing you can do is to lash out immediately after. Mizuto prioritized his pride over relationship, which was an ultimate nail to the coffin, becsuse everything went the downward spiral from there and was completely unsalvageable at this point. Anyone would be devastated/pissed if they were accused of cheating. You’re completely overlooking this major detail. He has every right to get pissed over that accusation. His reaction after that accusation was justified, and it doesn’t take away from his genuine apology prior to that. I’m not ignoring that him instigating the whole thing was his bad, but her comments shouldn’t have been taken lightly, no matter how immature she is, and it only made things worse Anyone would be irritated, but this kind of relationship requires a sacrifices. He might have good intentions by at least trying to apologise, but he handled the accusation in THE worst possible way. Him lashing out immediately after apology completely invalidates it, makes it look half-assed and insencire and purely out of obligation. Everything went downhill from here. If he would just bit his tongue, swallow his pride try to explain his innocence in calm manner without hostility, this could be salvaged. |
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