MAPPA YOU SON OF A GOD DAMN BITCH!!!!

FLASH619 said:
How can a studio create such good quality episodes even though they have a lot of projects to had...this actually reminds me of MadHouse...

racers551 said:

The sad thing is, the director himself is working on Zombieland saga's movie at the same time while working on this show.

Pre_Yum said:


The Zombieland Saga movie doesn't even have a release date yet and this show was in production for quite a long time considering this was just an 11-episode show. Dunno what is the sad thing here?

RioFS said:
I have faith they will deliver with CSM if they can produce this.

deg said:
majority of old staff of MadHouse is working at MAPPA anyway

racers551 said:


Eh, not really. Most of their staff, I'd say, are joining now as newbies.

deg said:
majority of old staff of MadHouse is working at MAPPA anyway

racers551 said:


The director is still working hard on two different productions. Also, I'm not entirely sure if they were working on this show for a long time. They listed 3 Production assistants and 4 assistant production assistants for the show, with most of the staff just being really qualified into making dance dance danseur. Most of the staff carried on from zombie land saga/re:main, onto this show.

Iloveggs said:


you aren’t really well aware of difference between trainees and in-house directors.
Where are these “newbies” coming from lol when only 3 employees were selected for working in Mappa since 1 year all 3 recent employees accepted are aspiring young talented animator’s their selection process is more rigid than you think .



Most of them already left or quit after Maruyama left . Lol people are still living in Old Mappa days .

Pre_Yum said:


The director isn't working on two different shows. He's a veteran, he can handle Zombieland Saga easily, it might still be in pre-production, who knows? Also, once again, both of these shows weren't rushed by any means. You can see it just by the production of the show. Yes, there were quite a few ADs but that didn't affect the quality of the show.

Another thing, what do you expect them to do? They are working as employees in the company. Of course, they'd move on to another show after being done with one show. You can't expect the company to pay them for doing nothing. That rule applies not just to the anime industry but any industry in general.

racers551 said:


The director is still working hard on two different productions. Also, I'm not entirely sure if they were working on this show for a long time. They listed 3 Production assistants and 4 assistant production assistants for the show, with most of the staff just being really qualified into making dance dance danseur. Most of the staff carried on from zombie land saga/re:main, onto this show.

racers551 said:


I mean, newbies as new in the company. Hiramatsu wasn't a integral part of MAPPA until pretty recently.

racers551 said:


They were rushed as hell on Zombieland saga, and even more rushed with revenge. 17 Animation directors per episode on average.

The difference is, Dance dance danseur isn't an original anime, so they don't have to come up with a script, and of course, an original anime is going to be harder production wise than a manga adaptation.

Of course workers have to be, well, working, but there's a difference in working on one show, and then being split production wise on two different shows with the same staff. That's concerning, considering how involved he was with dance dance danseur production wise.

Of course workers have to be, well, working, but there's a difference in working on one show, and then being split production wise on two different shows with the same staff. That's concerning, considering how involved he was with dance dance danseur production wise.

Iloveggs said:


Director working on 2 project is a normal workload for an experienced director like sakai , zombieland saga movie ain’t releasing this year for a kind information moreover it’s airing date not even decided yet .
There is no source that he is working at the same time when the actual production is yet to be started for zombieland saga movie .
Dance dance danseur is most stable production project delivered by Mappa this year .
https://twitter.com/munehisa_sakai/status/1538038330633654272?s=21&t=fWS3Zu-fGhJ25g9YMH-VrQ

The production assistant always do the recruiting jobs which is more important as for delivering ballet performance they need several production assistants so the number really doesn’t matter when it’s necessary according to resource needed for making a good adaptation.

Iloveggs said:


The new studio is where they are training the recently graduated animator’s and only 3 were selected for the job
https://twitter.com/r_nkym_/status/1537291472696856576?s=21&t=fWS3Zu-fGhJ25g9YMH-VrQ
The new studio established just for this purpose of nakayama X Mappa project.

Pre_Yum said:


You seriously think that MAPPA was like, yeah, go ahead and work on both these shows simultaneously. Really? That's not how stuff works. Nobody's forcing them to work on two shows if that's the case, which I'm quite sure is not. Again, he's a veteran, so he knows what he's doing. He wouldn't have said yes to it if he wasn't sure about his job. He knew what he was getting into. Employees can say no if they can't handle the project which he obviously can since he's involved in both of these shows. He's not in a jail, he's an employee within a company.

The only other show mappa had this year was attack on Titan. No shit it would be better production wise, aot is a nightmare to produce, with far more complex character designs and a lot more cuts per episode.

Also, standard doesn't mean good. Whether Sakai is a veteran or not, why should a director be working on two different shows, that look good, when he could work on one movie that will anyways look far better, or one show that'll look far better?

Also, standard also leads to animators frequently being given impossible schedules, and people being overwhelmed with having to make 60 cuts just to live a substandard life. It's not good, but it's the standard. And it's not okay.

Iloveggs said:
@racers551



Sakai worked for Toei animation before ( which is known to be the best employee salary providing and good project schedule with good working environment studio in anime industry )
only an insane person would leave toei and join Mappa just to do overworking lol are you understanding this ? You are interpreting your own ideas how the director is treated when you really don’t know what’s happening.

racers551 said:


You and I are referring to two different things, however. I'm talking about people who are new to the company, not necessarily animation, working on the show. Yuuki itoh, Munehisa Sakai, Hiramatsu, like I mentioned, etc, who were veterans in the anime industry and joined mappa. The company is not the same as it was 10 years ago.

racers551 said:


I mean, he's going to at least have to do pre production, otherwise he's going to be overworking even more. Park was making god of high school at the same time as he was making jujutsu kaisen, and based on the statements he and his company have made on wanting to make shows that the creators themselves enjoy making, it's not unlikely that he wasn't enjoying making those shows as much as he'd enjoy making Ninja Kamui.

Also, being a veteran has nothing to do with being overworked. It's not like veterans can't be overworked, they very much can. He's not able to deliver the best on Zombieland saga and Zombieland saga revenge for that reason, because he had a crap schedule. Dance dance danseur has a better schedule, and better pipelines, to the point where most of the staff are doing better on dance dance danseur than a show they're actually passionate with.

The only other show mappa had this year was attack on Titan. No shit it would be better production wise, aot is a nightmare to produce, with far more complex character designs and a lot more cuts per episode.

Attack on Titan is a different thing and that’s pony canon project which is always a production probelm that’s nothing to do with Mappa production process when they just accepted and doing it .
Kakegururi twin production is already completed which is going to air in summer so you barely have a grip on any information about Mappa production.

Also, standard doesn't mean good. Whether Sakai is a veteran or not, why should a director be working on two different shows, that look good, when he could work on one movie that will anyways look far better, or one show that'll look far better?

Do you even have a idea how many directors are doing 2 projects at the same time that’s how the anime industry works and nowadays production style are followed by tezuka osmau period . It became a usual thing if you are new here then get used to it when you will see a director is doing 3 projects at the same time .
Sakai is far from the so called overwork when he only worked for 1 project this year and compared to hayashi work it’s just a irrelevant matter.

Also, standard also leads to animators frequently being given impossible schedules, and people being overwhelmed with having to make 60 cuts just to live a substandard life. It's not good, but it's the standard. And it's not okay.

Why are you discussing something common industry overworking problems when we are talking about DDD production which is the most stable production.

Iloveggs said:


Yuuki itou is a freelance bw never joined Mappa .
every studio new recruits aren’t veterans .

racers551 said:


I've heard a lot of horror stories out of toei... They're not known for the best employee salary, what do you mean? Kyoani is by far the best in terms of conditions, though mappa does have a higher salary.

Though I've heard from animators in the Philippines that they'd rather work with MAPPA than work with TAP, toei's subsidiary in the Philippines.

But regardless, I just think it's just logical. Obviously having a veteran make one movie or one show is going to be better, because of course it would. That's just logic.

racers551 said:


Actually, I believe he is a future director of the studio, I believe there was leaks about him being a potential director for the studio.

I know it's a pony canyon project, but the production committee is particularly shit. Also, mappa isn't invested in dance dance danseur, while they are in attack on Titan.

Also, we still don't know anything about kakegurui, and we won't till twin comes out, so we have no idea about that.

I can mention a few. OLM, the animation producer is working on both Komi San and summer time rendering, and their staff are split to hell, so they've got a ton of outsourcing, to the point where the director for the episode didn't get credited, most likely because it would have stained their reputation.

My point is it being standard doesn't make it good.

Iloveggs said:


Ohhh lol every studio have their horror stories .
Bruh check the sources https://www.animesenpai.net/which-studio-offers-the-most-salary-to-its-animators/ they provide more than other studios .
Recently toei is known to be one of the best studio in working conditions.
Kyoani still the same kyoani example aren’t you tired they aren’t the same now wake up . Kyoani most notable animator naoko yamada left kyoani and now working in science Saru , due to inadequate salary kyoani employee mostly left it there are many kyoani employees who are working as freelance.

Those so called Philippines animator’s must be vercreek or idk but it’s a made up shit with no source .
I can provide many tweets in which animator’s talk good about Mappa .

Production committee isn’t really handled by Mappa when majority it’s handled by kodansha, IG production and pony canon . Mappa is still in the production committee of DDD and Mappa Twitter is already doing many promotional advertisement for DDD in their Twitter handle . Mappa ain’t really more invested in Attack on Titan when they are particularly more investing for chainsawman when they are itself funding and participation as a production committee.

It’s not the director it “was episode director” who wasn’t credited and sometimes there are many cases when animator’s purposely does not NPC credited .
That’s totally different from what sakai is working in both projects so your example is really doesn’t put anything .
Much worse is what happened in cloverworks which barely people know when Tokyo 24ku production crashed , wonder egg priority production crashed and most importantly animation producer umehara of my dress up darling continuously working for another project this same year with same team .
There are much worse problems you haven’t really seen .

It’s good lol wdym the staffs working on it were passionate about the project and there were many interviews did with hajime ohtani storyboard and ep director for 9,11 who talked how good was production of DDD . again don’t put your assumptions on production cause you just see a director is credited for 2 projects in his resume .

racers551 said:


Huh? Saru doesn't pay that much more, do they? And all the sources I've seen on her moving to saru has nothing to do with her pay, and everything to do with her wanting creative freedom that she doesn't get with the copy paste feel of Kyoani.

Also, if you want a source, ask TKRN on Twitter, he's the animator in particular that I asked. He's a former in betweener/cleanup artist, he's worked for the west and east. He knows what TAP is like.

There's more animators than vercreek in the Philippines.

They had 4 production assistants and 3 assistant production assistants. I don't think it's as good at least on the connections side, and anyways, management is getting better, but it's still not good.

Also, my point is that one person should be able to focus on a work that will actually get the studio money, versus a contracted work that get the studio ultimately no money.

Iloveggs said:


That doesn’t change that kyoani salary was still low and I never said she left due to salary reasons read properly first I said “ due to inadequate salary kyoani employee mostly left it there are many kyoani employees who are working as freelance. “ (not naoko yamada solely ). I know she gets to do her passionate projects in saru so don’t need to fill me with basic knowledge.

That’s not a source .

I know there are more animator’s in Philippine than vercreek but he is the one who rant about Mappa conditions for Aot s4 production and got himself black listed by Mappa . There is no source where the heck did those animator’s said those statements. Don’t make your random statements .