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Aug 5, 2021 10:24 PM
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addie1998 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

86 isn't an anime with average costs per episode.A 1 even outsourced it to Cloverworks.The CGI was outstanding.The mecha fights looked incredibly convincing despite not having that many.So I imagine it cost way above average.In fact imho A 1 made a huge bet on 86.Given the subject matter,there was no way it was going to be mainstream.Let's face it.It's a mecha war drama with racism,xenophobia,child soldiers and apartheid.There's never a chance of this being uber successful.

Also marketing for this anime was disastrous.They failed to pay attention to the 86 in question.Didn't pay attention to the mecha pilots at all.Just released some Lena fanservice merch and I am afraid they ended up catering to the wrong crowd.You can't make people watch a mecha war drama with racism by luring them in with a waifubait.They'd drop the anime altogether.


You do know that bandai is part in this project right? So i don't think this project
Exotic_sprinkle said:

86 isn't an anime with average costs per episode.A 1 even outsourced it to Cloverworks.The CGI was outstanding.The mecha fights looked incredibly convincing despite not having that many.So I imagine it cost way above average.In fact imho A 1 made a huge bet on 86.Given the subject matter,there was no way it was going to be mainstream.Let's face it.It's a mecha war drama with racism,xenophobia,child soldiers and apartheid.There's never a chance of this being uber successful.

Also marketing for this anime was disastrous.They failed to pay attention to the 86 in question.Didn't pay attention to the mecha pilots at all.Just released some Lena fanservice merch and I am afraid they ended up catering to the wrong crowd.You can't make people watch a mecha war drama with racism by luring them in with a waifubait.They'd drop the anime altogether.


You do know that bandai is part on this right and the kits is getting sold out everytime which is their main product so idk about you saying they ended up catering to the wrong crowd?

But they are though.Their main merch is still Lena fanservice figures(which I didn’t buy btw).As it was said previously,if you look at the main merch selling focus point,86 would look like a light hearted romantic comedy with an esdeath like waifu.Not a Mecha war drama about racism.The show goes on and on about Republic's war crime then tries to sell a bunch of Republic themed merch.For a show named 86, they forgot about 86 altogether.



The juggernaut kits are general use though?Nothing distinctive,like Undertaker,Wehrwolf,Gunslinger call signs etc etc.(Funny thing is it's still the only thing to sell out multiple times.Goes on to show I was right.)In other words no attention to the mecha pilots or spearhead squadron.Shin is arguably the protag,he got no attention at all in marketing.No figurines or statues.There is no 86 merch at all.Shin and spearhead squadron should have been the focus of marketing.I hope that changes in cour 2.That's all I am saying.
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Exotic_sprinkle said:
addie1998 said:


You do know that bandai is part in this project right? So i don't think this project


You do know that bandai is part on this right and the kits is getting sold out everytime which is their main product so idk about you saying they ended up catering to the wrong crowd?

But they are though.Their main merch is still Lena fanservice figures(which I didn’t buy btw).As it was said previously,if you look at the main merch selling focus point,86 would look like a light hearted romantic comedy with an esdeath like waifu.Not a Mecha war drama about racism.The show goes on and on about Republic's war crime then tries to sell a bunch of Republic themed merch.For a show named 86, they forgot about 86 altogether.



The juggernaut kits are general use though?Nothing distinctive,like Undertaker,Wehrwolf,Gunslinger call signs etc etc.(Funny thing is it's still the only thing to sell out multiple times.Goes on to show I was right.)In other words no attention to the mecha pilots or spearhead squadron.Shin is arguably the protag,he got no attention at all in marketing.No figurines or statues.There is no 86 merch at all.Shin and spearhead squadron should have been the focus of marketing.I hope that changes in cour 2.That's all I am saying.


I mean it would spoil the entire story if they would do so(basing on the cliffhanger). Nothing distinctive? Did you check the regenlief kits though?
addie1998Aug 5, 2021 10:49 PM
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addie1998 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

But they are though.Their main merch is still Lena fanservice figures(which I didn’t buy btw).As it was said previously,if you look at the main merch selling focus point,86 would look like a light hearted romantic comedy with an esdeath like waifu.Not a Mecha war drama about racism.The show goes on and on about Republic's war crime then tries to sell a bunch of Republic themed merch.For a show named 86, they forgot about 86 altogether.



The juggernaut kits are general use though?Nothing distinctive,like Undertaker,Wehrwolf,Gunslinger call signs etc etc.(Funny thing is it's still the only thing to sell out multiple times.Goes on to show I was right.)In other words no attention to the mecha pilots or spearhead squadron.Shin is arguably the protag,he got no attention at all in marketing.No figurines or statues.There is no 86 merch at all.Shin and spearhead squadron should have been the focus of marketing.I hope that changes in cour 2.That's all I am saying.


I mean it would spoil the entire story if they would do so(basing on the cliffhanger). Nothing distinctive? Did you check the regenlief kits though?

There are Reginlief kits already?!I didn’t know that.Japan exclusive or international shipping?I'll definitely get a shin nendroid(if they come up with one) with a custom reginlief kit.
That being said isn't it a bit too spoilery at this point?
Aug 6, 2021 12:02 AM
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Exotic_sprinkle said:
addie1998 said:


I mean it would spoil the entire story if they would do so(basing on the cliffhanger). Nothing distinctive? Did you check the regenlief kits though?

There are Reginlief kits already?!I didn’t know that.Japan exclusive or international shipping?I'll definitely get a shin nendroid(if they come up with one) with a custom reginlief kit.
That being said isn't it a bit too spoilery at this point?


Are u serious they announced the new kits after cour 1 ended, i think you can already pre-order since it will be release on october
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addie1998 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

There are Reginlief kits already?!I didn’t know that.Japan exclusive or international shipping?I'll definitely get a shin nendroid(if they come up with one) with a custom reginlief kit.
That being said isn't it a bit too spoilery at this point?


Are u serious they announce the new kits after cour 1 ended, i think you can already pre-order since it will be release on october

Thank you for letting me know!Wtf how come I didn’t even notice??!Shin's XM2 reginlief model(2 high frequency blade)is already sold out for preorder in the UK store!Thanks for the heads up though.I will order as soon as preorder opens again.I want both long barrels and missile type too.They look great.
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addie1998 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

86 isn't an anime with average costs per episode.A 1 even outsourced it to Cloverworks.The CGI was outstanding.The mecha fights looked incredibly convincing despite not having that many.So I imagine it cost way above average.In fact imho A 1 made a huge bet on 86.Given the subject matter,there was no way it was going to be mainstream.Let's face it.It's a mecha war drama with racism,xenophobia,child soldiers and apartheid.There's never a chance of this being uber successful.

Also marketing for this anime was disastrous.They failed to pay attention to the 86 in question.Didn't pay attention to the mecha pilots at all.Just released some Lena fanservice merch and I am afraid they ended up catering to the wrong crowd.You can't make people watch a mecha war drama with racism by luring them in with a waifubait.They'd drop the anime altogether.


You do know that bandai is part in this project right? So i don't think this project
Exotic_sprinkle said:

86 isn't an anime with average costs per episode.A 1 even outsourced it to Cloverworks.The CGI was outstanding.The mecha fights looked incredibly convincing despite not having that many.So I imagine it cost way above average.In fact imho A 1 made a huge bet on 86.Given the subject matter,there was no way it was going to be mainstream.Let's face it.It's a mecha war drama with racism,xenophobia,child soldiers and apartheid.There's never a chance of this being uber successful.

Also marketing for this anime was disastrous.They failed to pay attention to the 86 in question.Didn't pay attention to the mecha pilots at all.Just released some Lena fanservice merch and I am afraid they ended up catering to the wrong crowd.You can't make people watch a mecha war drama with racism by luring them in with a waifubait.They'd drop the anime altogether.


You do know that bandai is part on this right and the kits is getting sold out everytime which is their main product so idk about you saying they ended up catering to the wrong crowd?
People buy Gundam without even knowing it came from an anime. The same could have happened with 86
Aug 7, 2021 2:43 AM
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Exotic_sprinkle said:
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how is the source material sales? the light novel sales in this case should have a huge boost for the publishers to fund anime sequels since anime adaptations being advertisement to the source material is still true for the most part even today

1.6 million copies in circulation with physical copies sold out everywhere.The latest volume was a prequel but was in top 10 for weeks.The juggernaut merch is selling well.Even 3rd slot preorder is stock out.Soundtrack CDs sold out from everywhere too.It's just A 1 went all out with this sequel.And streaming numbers were insanely high.I thought it would be the new Kaguya Sama or SAO for A1.


Yeah I thought the same thing I think it will slowly increase in sales let's see
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Exotic_sprinkle said:

1.6 million copies in circulation with physical copies sold out everywhere.


I wonder if this apply in every countries? I've been trying to get the 4th vol for like a month and a half now but it's literally sold out everywhere... thankfully i got every other english volume but this wait is killing me.
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Thai777 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

1.6 million copies in circulation with physical copies sold out everywhere.


I wonder if this apply in every countries? I've been trying to get the 4th vol for like a month and a half now but it's literally sold out everywhere... thankfully i got every other english volume but this wait is killing me.

Yeah almost everywhere.They had volume 3-7 available on UK Amazon but it sold out.Yen press is doing a major reprint mid September.
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Thai777 said:
Exotic_sprinkle said:

1.6 million copies in circulation with physical copies sold out everywhere.


I wonder if this apply in every countries? I've been trying to get the 4th vol for like a month and a half now but it's literally sold out everywhere... thankfully i got every other english volume but this wait is killing me.


I thought stats were only relevant for Japan. I am unsure if there are sales metric internationally for light novel sales.
I like dub more than sub because I am not a weeb.
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Conceptualhero said:
Thai777 said:


I wonder if this apply in every countries? I've been trying to get the 4th vol for like a month and a half now but it's literally sold out everywhere... thankfully i got every other english volume but this wait is killing me.


I thought stats were only relevant for Japan. I am unsure if there are sales metric internationally for light novel sales.

Idk about sales metric for international sales.The sale number I mentioned is for Japan.1.6 million for 10volumes isn't that big.But It's pretty decent.I imagine it'll boost even further after cour 2.(even though anime didn’t boost previous volume sales in Japan that much.Didn't enter top 10.But it did internationally.Sold out from every Amazon)
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From what I have seen, aniplex takes projects that are not big name shonens. You don't see them gobble up shonens like mappa does. Circulation of aniplex shows is usually very low. Stuff like mha makes little off blu rays but are just carried by the publisher feeding them money from manga sales to continue the show.

Aniplex normally puts their own resources into their shows. Any source material sales will probably go to the publisher, not aniplex. This means aniplex is still for the most part reliant on blu ray sales.

This is kind of why they make a ton of originals. Since more sales would be directed towards them vs a publisher. Also there is less pressure for them to continue an original and risk losses since originals are not intended to last long. Also they can keep a better portion of merchandise profits.

The first 2 cours covered 3 volumes. My guess is they were betting on 86 to be a viral hit like sao, then they can have a lot of source material to make more seasons and keep the train going. This is why a1 went all out with the production. A mecha show like 86 isn't easy to animate.

While the sales are decent, subsequent cours will likely have lower sales. This makes it a risk to invest in further seasons vs doing something else. So something like a full adaption wil be very very unlikely.

Another issue is 86 may struggle in things like scaled figures (only Lena that can milk) and gaming.
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