| Spoilers** yea the anime makes things unclear. Kirei is not alive but basically Illya grabbed shirou's soul before it reached the root, but since his body was destroyed by being overwhelmed with archer's power, his soul had no body. There is a small part where Touko Aozaki (from a different Type Moon work) makes a cameo. She is a magus who specializes in making puppets. At one point she even makes an identical puppet of herself and can transfer her mind/soul between herself and the puppet with no differences. But she basically makes a puppet body for shirou, and his soul is able to be moved into it. So that is why you see him again in the end. It is pretty complicated (the whole thing is really) but this is as simple as I could try to make it. the HF movies leave a lot of context out so for people experiencing for the first time there is bound to be plenty of confusion. |
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Ainosora said: Sakura was regaining control near the end so I assumed Sakura purposefully didn't kill Kirei just like Rin but her mind was a mess so she thought she killed them. Vn readers probably know better but that's my take. Rin didnt die because she was lucky. Her injury was like a stab wound. Her wounds from the first fight in the movie were more serious. Kirei is just that badass. He lived without a heart for a whole day. |
Ainosora said: Sakura was regaining control near the end so I assumed Sakura purposefully didn't kill Kirei just like Rin but her mind was a mess so she thought she killed them. Vn readers probably know better but that's my take. Not exactly, Sakura destroyed Kirei's heart, and she can torture him by destroying his organs as well. |
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| Damn right, real man don't need a heart to live! |
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| The answer to Kirei surviving is something like this: After dying to Kiritsugu in Fate/Zero the grail revived him with a black heart (because Gilgamesh can't be corrupted, and also because Kirei accepted the corrupted nature of the Grail). That black heart is a connection to the grail. He could live after the 4th war due to the Grail giving him constantly a bit of its magical energy (he can't use this for magecraft), so when Sakura destroyed his black heart, a countdown began (similar to when Shirou uses Archer's arm for the first time), and when the magical energy of the grail he had left runs out, he dies (before punching Shirou in the final fight). I'm not 100% sure about everything, so don't take it completely as facts. |
Karnox001Apr 9, 2021 10:42 AM
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| To add some more info, in UBW Kirei doesnt die by Lancer's spear. It is the fire that kills him. |
ssjokg said: Really? Are you sure about that? I don't remember anything about it.To add some more info, in UBW Kirei doesnt die by Lancer's spear. It is the fire that kills him. |
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Karnox001 said: ssjokg said: Really? Are you sure about that? I don't remember anything about it.To add some more info, in UBW Kirei doesnt die by Lancer's spear. It is the fire that kills him. Lancer says it "I will take him with me". And yes we all thought it was a cool line at first but Nasu confirmed, i think in the UBW anime booklets. |
ssjokg said: Karnox001 said: Really? Are you sure about that? I don't remember anything about it. Lancer says it "I will take him with me". And yes we all thought it was a cool line at first but Nasu confirmed, i think in the UBW anime booklets. Oh I see, so he was still barely alive. It's never too late to learn new things. |
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| I played the novel, and i can tell you without a doubt that they managed to screw up even an almost perfect ending by making it incomprehensible. Context was needed, Rin's return from England, her exchanging a few words with Taiga and Sakura, meeting Shirou again, Rin's final question to Sakura. All this was handled terribly. I also expected New Dawn in the very last frames. Felt like those who made this movie didn't play the Vn at all, and the ending was handled in a cringey way. |
flo7 said: I played the novel, and i can tell you without a doubt that they managed to screw up even an almost perfect ending by making it incomprehensible. Context was needed, Rin's return from England, her exchanging a few words with Taiga and Sakura, meeting Shirou again, Rin's final question to Sakura. All this was handled terribly. I also expected New Dawn in the very last frames. Felt like those who made this movie didn't play the Vn at all, and the ending was handled in a cringey way. So I don't feel as strongly as you but as an anime-only I understood what happened. However after the last scene I thought, wow this whole epilogue must've been great in the VN. Essentially resuscitating Shirou through the puppet must've been very emotional and I would've loved to hear what was going on inside of Sakura's mind after everything she did. They really glossed over everything, it seemed like a wasted opportunity to end the movie with beautiful insight from the characters instead of just pretty slides... |
| Yeah the ending is very rushed so no wonder it left most people (including myself) pretty confused, but overall it's 9/10. I really wanted to give it 10/10 if not for that rushed ending... |
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yea the anime makes things unclear. Kirei is not alive but basically Illya grabbed shirou's soul before it reached the root, but since his body was destroyed by being overwhelmed with archer's power, his soul had no body. There is a small part where Touko Aozaki (from a different Type Moon work) makes a cameo. She is a magus who specializes in making puppets. At one point she even makes an identical puppet of herself and can transfer her mind/soul between herself and the puppet with no differences. But she basically makes a puppet body for shirou, and his soul is able to be moved into it. So that is why you see him again in the end. It is pretty complicated (the whole thing is really) but this is as simple as I could try to make it. the HF movies leave a lot of context out so for people experiencing for the first time there is bound to be plenty of confusion.
yea the anime makes things unclear. Kirei is not alive but basically Illya grabbed shirou's soul before it reached the root, but since his body was destroyed by being overwhelmed with archer's power, his soul had no body. There is a small part where Touko Aozaki (from a different Type Moon work) makes a cameo. She is a magus who specializes in making puppets. At one point she even makes an identical puppet of herself and can transfer her mind/soul between herself and the puppet with no differences. But she basically makes a puppet body for shirou, and his soul is able to be moved into it. So that is why you see him again in the end. It is pretty complicated (the whole thing is really) but this is as simple as I could try to make it. the HF movies leave a lot of context out so for people experiencing for the first time there is bound to be plenty of confusion.
| @Miyushiki Oh wow! I thought Sakura was just hallucinating. |
| I remember watching the first and last movie in the cinema, but I don't remember much, haha. Now I feel like rewatching the trilogy just for the spectacle that is Ufotable. |
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