I didn't like how Rimuru handled this arc to more precise he was too forgiving on that girl who used the barrier
That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime
| Most importantly the fact that he is a bit naive and childish is the result of this as well king garzel roasted him on his flaws he should taken that more seriously anyway the fact that he didn't punish the girl for her involvement of killing most of his people is a big meh for me i know she was controlled but she had a choice she herself saw how friendly these monsters are and how Yomu is close with them but still decided to be like screw them, Slime dude could have punished her not harshly but still punish her instead my dude saved her and said yo marry yomu and live a nice life wtf I'm losing respect for slime dude if this was Ainz he would have slaughtered her lol Also mind you this is a discussion just talking I'm not trying to start war, some people on mal think its a crime to discuss about things yknow anyway feel free to weigh your opinions on the matter is slime dude too naive or is he doing good |
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| I actually like how Rinmaru turned from flawless and boring Mary Sue from S1 into a well fleshed character with an actual flaws, which bite him in the ass and prove a challenge to overcome. On that matter, S2 is a huge improvement in my opinion. About Mjurran, she was merely an expendable pawn, who's only alternative is to literally die due to her heart being tempered by Clayman, who should be actually blamed for this. It not like she took a great joy in what she was forced to do, actually has shown remorse and her and most importantly, her crimes were not irreversible. The only one who had authority to forgive her is Rimuru himself and since he did, just like his followers were fine with that, she is not irredeemable. |
PiromyslFeb 18, 2024 8:54 AM
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| you talking about Mjurran? well she is in love with youm clayman saw that and blackmailed her to do his bidding or he would kill youm besides rimuru knows she is not his enemy and have plans for her, and she know if she does betray tempest again he can kill her anytime |
Piromysl said: I actually like how Rinmaru turned from flawless and boring Mary Sue from S1 into a well fleshed character with an actual flaws, which bite him in the ass and prove a challenge to overcome. On that matter, S2 is a huge improvement in my opinion. About Mjurran, she was merely an expendable pawn, who's only alternative is to literally die due to her heart being tempered by Clayman, who should be actually blamed for this. It's. It not like she took a great joy in what she was forced to do and actually has shown remorse. She is not irredeemable. I know but man what she did caused like so many death if there wasn't a way to bring them back that would have been deep, i feel like Rimuru is just to lenient she did have a choice tho i watched it again and she brushed yomu aside and activated the spell also yomu is the type of dude to backstab the dude who fed you I find these events a bit frustrating for me |
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Greenberet said: you talking about Mjurran? well she is in love with youm clayman saw that and blackmailed her to do his bidding or he would kill youm besides rimuru knows she is not his enemy and have plans for her, and she know if she does betray tempest again he can kill her anytime I just feel like he should have banished her some sort of punishment should have been done like how king gazel banished vesta which led to vesta learning from his mistakes etc yomu himself annoyed the heck outta me simping big time if it wasn't for Rimuru who made you who you are today you wouldn't had met this chick his betrayal was annoying and still begging Rimuru for forgiveness after seeing how many people died due to her actions |
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HI007 said: @_Jougo_ In the manga Rimuru's response was better, not only in terms of his anger but also how he spoke with Myulan. Let her know he's not playing, but he also kept her alive for an actual purpose. Rimuru was thinking about the future and how to deal with possible obstacles after he becomes a Demon Lord. But yes, I agree with you to a certain extent but I also believe the biggest reason why Rimuru let her live is simply because he was hopeful that he could revive the dead after having that discussion with Ellen (elf princess). On the other hand, if it was basically a done deal with them being dead I'm pretty positive Rimuru would've slaughtered her and excommunicated Youm. All in all the manga did a far better job in handling these scenes where as the anime literally changed his dialogue with Myulan and that made Rimuru look like a full on pushover. I'm really disappointed in how 8bit handled these scenes when they had no need to make these modification as it would've made no difference in the pacing of the anime episode, so I really don't understand why they pulled this BS as it only diminishes the quality of the story. Wow yeah thanks for this explanation because this event really didn't sit well with me it was close to putting me off to the point of dropping the anime as i kept thinking about it and youms action siding with a girl he just met over a slime who practically made him who he is, I'm not 100% up to date with the manga I'll be reading it later don't know why 8bit changed a few details for, i hope the author doesn't do this kind of thing again bring a character who hurts Rimuru and Company only for Rimuru to forgive them in the end |
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| I think my issue with this was the lack of loyalty shown by youm towards Rimuru and the fact that the chick didn't look scared or looked like she felt bad for her actions she was mostly just there with a flat look on her face i guess thats probably it anyway hope the author doesn't do this kind enemy doing crime cuz they were forced to and have them understand it cuz sometimes when people are angry even they wouldn't be understanding of your situation even if you are the victim as well |
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_Jougo_ said: Most importantly the fact that he is a bit naive and childish is the result of this as well king garzel roasted him on his flaws he should taken that more seriously anyway the fact that he didn't punish the girl for her involvement of killing most of his people is a big meh for me i know she was controlled but she had a choice she herself saw how friendly these monsters are and how Yomu is close with them but still decided to be like screw them, Slime dude could have punished her not harshly but still punish her instead my dude saved her and said yo marry yomu and live a nice life wtf I'm losing respect for slime dude if this was Ainz he would have slaughtered her lol Also mind you this is a discussion just talking I'm not trying to start war, some people on mal think its a crime to discuss about things yknow anyway feel free to weigh your opinions on the matter is slime dude too naive or is he doing good did you miss the part that myulan is more useful when she's alive? cant you see how shuna learned how to cast a great magic from myulan? without myulan's guidance shuna wouldnt have been able to cast the 4th barrier, even iF she learned it from rimuru, without myulan's support the 4th barrier wouldve been a lot weaker which would jeopardize shion and the others resurrection project. there's also the fact that myulan had clayman's gun in her face the whole time myulan being alive is part of rimuru's plans thats all, dont overthinking it |
nina444 said: _Jougo_ said: Most importantly the fact that he is a bit naive and childish is the result of this as well king garzel roasted him on his flaws he should taken that more seriously anyway the fact that he didn't punish the girl for her involvement of killing most of his people is a big meh for me i know she was controlled but she had a choice she herself saw how friendly these monsters are and how Yomu is close with them but still decided to be like screw them, Slime dude could have punished her not harshly but still punish her instead my dude saved her and said yo marry yomu and live a nice life wtf I'm losing respect for slime dude if this was Ainz he would have slaughtered her lol Also mind you this is a discussion just talking I'm not trying to start war, some people on mal think its a crime to discuss about things yknow anyway feel free to weigh your opinions on the matter is slime dude too naive or is he doing good did you miss the part that myulan is more useful when she's alive? cant you see how shuna learned how to cast a great magic from myulan? without myulan's guidance shuna wouldnt have been able to cast the 4th barrier, even iF she learned it from rimuru, without myulan's support the 4th barrier wouldve been a lot weaker which would jeopardize shion and the others resurrection project. there's also the fact that myulan had clayman's gun in her face the whole time myulan being alive is part of rimuru's plans thats all, dont overthinking it I agree with what you just said yes but punishment doesn't necessarily have to be death, banishment, prison keep her locked up for said years while allowing youm to visit occasionally until she's atoned for her wrong doings to Rimurus nation regardless he should have made an example of her |
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Sandipis said: I like Rinmaru character arc but yeah I feel like she was punished incorrectly maybe some years in prison. I agree i saw someone on the forums said he even gave her a heart gave her freedom and also gave youm to her to marry she gained more than he had at that point but since the dead was gonna be brought back i guess Rimuru was clinging to that 1% chance |
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| Yeah the whole thing with Myulan was rushed as fuck. Even her relationship with Youm felt super rushed with how they fell in love with one another. It's one of the weaker aspect of this season. |
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_Jougo_ said: nina444 said: did you miss the part that myulan is more useful when she's alive? cant you see how shuna learned how to cast a great magic from myulan? without myulan's guidance shuna wouldnt have been able to cast the 4th barrier, even iF she learned it from rimuru, without myulan's support the 4th barrier wouldve been a lot weaker which would jeopardize shion and the others resurrection project. there's also the fact that myulan had clayman's gun in her face the whole time myulan being alive is part of rimuru's plans thats all, dont overthinking it I agree with what you just said yes but punishment doesn't necessarily have to be death, banishment, prison keep her locked up for said years while allowing youm to visit occasionally until she's atoned for her wrong doings to Rimurus nation regardless he should have made an example of her so youre saying 'myulan helping tempest denizens' is not considered as a punishment? I think its also considered as another form of punishment, have you heard this thing called 'restorative justice?' this is exactly what she's been doing in the past few episodes, atoning for her sins by dedicating every fiber in her being to help the ppl she's once harmed. dont forget that the main reason she's given a chance from the first place is due to her being more useful when she's alive, iF she was useless rimuru wouldve most likely snuffed out her soul like the others. simply put, she was lucky lol we cant really blame myulan for being lucky can we? she's been unlucky since her meeting with demon lord clayman around 300 years ago, its about time for her to hit the jackpot I guess? XD and I think we cant judge rimuru for being too rational and calculated either considering he doesnt spare myulan's life out of charity at all. you're gonna see, the slime is not joking around when he he's got everything under control |
Lab_Rat_0978Mar 23, 2021 5:45 AM
| Actually, Myulan didn't even try to save herself. She cast the barrier to protect Youm and her comrades from Clayman. Also, keeping her alive and safe is much more beneficial to Rimuru. Punishing her would have antagonised You., Grucius and the entire Farm us team immediately. But by sparing Myulan he just won their undying loyalty and full cooperation for his plans. Myulan is a sympathetic character. But later, Rimuru actually for the sake of his plans. |
| "There's your truth and there's my truth. As for the Universal Truth - it doesn't exist." |
| I don't think she did anything wrong. She only did the bare minimum of following orders. It would've been different if she went out of her way to screw Tempest over. I think it was falmuth's holy barrier that weakened the monsters that did the most damage and her barrier only cut off communications. So what she did had little effect. She can be much more useful working for Rimuru and she have already done a lot by helping out with keeping Shion and the others alive |
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nina444 said: _Jougo_ said: I agree with what you just said yes but punishment doesn't necessarily have to be death, banishment, prison keep her locked up for said years while allowing youm to visit occasionally until she's atoned for her wrong doings to Rimurus nation regardless he should have made an example of her so youre saying 'myulan helping tempest denizens' is not considered as a punishment? I think its also considered as another form of punishment, have you heard this thing called 'restorative justice?' this is exactly what she's been doing in the past few episodes, atoning for her sins by dedicating every fiber in her being to help the ppl she's once harmed. dont forget that the main reason she's given a chance from the first place is due to her being more useful when she's alive, iF she was useless rimuru wouldve most likely snuffed out her soul like the others. simply put, she was lucky lol we cant really blame myulan for being lucky can we? she's been unlucky since her meeting with demon lord clayman around 300 years ago, its about time for her to hit the jackpot I guess? XD and I think we cant judge rimuru for being too rational and calculated either considering he doesnt spare myulan's life out of charity at all. you're gonna see, the slime is not joking around when he he's got everything under control WOW IF WHAT YOU SAID IS TRUE THEN I ACTUALLY FEEL A BIT BETTER NOW, NOW THATS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO THEN |
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| Nonsense... Rimuru did what any ruler with brain would. What purpose would punishing her serve? She was a pawn with no will of her own, basically sacrificed by Clayman for his plan ... she had no actually idea what Clayman was planning, and she didn't even knew what the purpose of the barrier was ... she was just a collateral victim in all of that. Punishing for the deaths of peoples that will get revived anyway would also be pointless. Moreover, she is useful alive, not only that she holds intel on Clayman, but she is an excellent magician, he needed her during the Harvest Festival, and more importantly than anything, Youm loves her. Rimuru needs Youm to become the next king of Farmus, and showing mercy to the woman he loves will only serve to boosting his loyality towards Rimuru even more. Forgiving her was the right solution no matter how you look at it. The comparation with Ainz is also bullshit ... Ainz is the villain of his story, he is evil and plans to conquer the world. Rimuru is a benevolent Demon Lord who wants to build a peaceful between his country of monsters and humans. |
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_Jougo_ said: nina444 said: so youre saying 'myulan helping tempest denizens' is not considered as a punishment? I think its also considered as another form of punishment, have you heard this thing called 'restorative justice?' this is exactly what she's been doing in the past few episodes, atoning for her sins by dedicating every fiber in her being to help the ppl she's once harmed. dont forget that the main reason she's given a chance from the first place is due to her being more useful when she's alive, iF she was useless rimuru wouldve most likely snuffed out her soul like the others. simply put, she was lucky lol we cant really blame myulan for being lucky can we? she's been unlucky since her meeting with demon lord clayman around 300 years ago, its about time for her to hit the jackpot I guess? XD and I think we cant judge rimuru for being too rational and calculated either considering he doesnt spare myulan's life out of charity at all. you're gonna see, the slime is not joking around when he he's got everything under control WOW IF WHAT YOU SAID IS TRUE THEN I ACTUALLY FEEL A BIT BETTER NOW, NOW THATS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO THEN and thats what happened in the Light Novel. in the Web Novel rimuru is even far crueler than that. since the first chapter, the story is even darker than the anime could ever imagine, as an example, there's a part where rimuru was contemplating in committing suicide due to the pressure of getting trapped all alone in the abyss of nothingness for 90+ days do you know and notice that in the beginning of the story rimuru couldnt see and hear anything for 90+ days until he met veldora? its surprising to see how the anime and the manga managed to alter one of the darkest moments in his life to be more family friendly isnt it? lol imagine if the anime adaptation decided to go down the dark path, I bet things wouldve been more... |
Lab_Rat_0978Mar 23, 2021 11:15 PM
kronopy said: Nonsense... Rimuru did what any ruler with brain would. What purpose would punishing her serve? She was a pawn with no will of her own, basically sacrificed by Clayman for his plan ... she had no actually idea what Clayman was planning, and she didn't even knew what the purpose of the barrier was ... she was just a collateral victim in all of that. Punishing for the deaths of peoples that will get revived anyway would also be pointless. Moreover, she is useful alive, not only that she holds intel on Clayman, but she is an excellent magician, he needed her during the Harvest Festival, and more importantly than anything, Youm loves her. Rimuru needs Youm to become the next king of Farmus, and showing mercy to the woman he loves will only serve to boosting his loyality towards Rimuru even more. Forgiving her was the right solution no matter how you look at it. The comparation with Ainz is also bullshit ... Ainz is the villain of his story, he is evil and plans to conquer the world. Rimuru is a benevolent Demon Lord who wants to build a peaceful between his country of monsters and humans. Fair enough for me personally this scene and events didn't sit well with me and some people agree but not everyone will see it that way, youm was ready to pick a girl he met a few days ago over a dide who helped him from 0 to 100 that for me didn't sit well with me and for the girl youm tried to stop her but didn't really try enough and the other guy pulled out his sword but didn't do anything just let her cast her spell they could have knocking her out and she herself knew clayman was going to kill her regardless thats what the other dude from the beastman kingdom was telling her but no in the end she was high on being with youm so she did it anyway as others said in the manga Rimuru said because of your selfish desire you damned my people etc see if the did this scene better i wouldn't have a problem with it but to me personally it didn't feel so good but nina explained that he didn't go easy on them cuz he plans on doing something later on so it made me feel a bit better |
YoubamiiMar 24, 2021 11:20 AM
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NHS-KEMISH said: HI007 said: @_Jougo_ In the manga Rimuru's response was better, not only in terms of his anger but also how he spoke with Myulan. Let her know he's not playing, but he also kept her alive for an actual purpose. Rimuru was thinking about the future and how to deal with possible obstacles after he becomes a Demon Lord. But yes, I agree with you to a certain extent but I also believe the biggest reason why Rimuru let her live is simply because he was hopeful that he could revive the dead after having that discussion with Ellen (elf princess). On the other hand, if it was basically a done deal with them being dead I'm pretty positive Rimuru would've slaughtered her and excommunicated Youm. All in all the manga did a far better job in handling these scenes where as the anime literally changed his dialogue with Myulan and that made Rimuru look like a full on pushover. I'm really disappointed in how 8bit handled these scenes when they had no need to make these modification as it would've made no difference in the pacing of the anime episode, so I really don't understand why they pulled this BS as it only diminishes the quality of the story. well...manga is not the source material so there is going to be many different things Honestly if they had do something like this In the manga Rimuru's response was better, not only in terms of his anger but also how he spoke with Myulan. Let her know he's not playing, but he also kept her alive for an actual purpose. Rimuru was thinking about the future and how to deal with possible obstacles after he becomes a Demon Lord as you stated above then I probably wouldn't have any issues at all |
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NHS-KEMISH said: HI007 said: @_Jougo_ In the manga Rimuru's response was better, not only in terms of his anger but also how he spoke with Myulan. Let her know he's not playing, but he also kept her alive for an actual purpose. Rimuru was thinking about the future and how to deal with possible obstacles after he becomes a Demon Lord. But yes, I agree with you to a certain extent but I also believe the biggest reason why Rimuru let her live is simply because he was hopeful that he could revive the dead after having that discussion with Ellen (elf princess). On the other hand, if it was basically a done deal with them being dead I'm pretty positive Rimuru would've slaughtered her and excommunicated Youm. All in all the manga did a far better job in handling these scenes where as the anime literally changed his dialogue with Myulan and that made Rimuru look like a full on pushover. I'm really disappointed in how 8bit handled these scenes when they had no need to make these modification as it would've made no difference in the pacing of the anime episode, so I really don't understand why they pulled this BS as it only diminishes the quality of the story. well...manga is not the source material so there is going to be many different things Nevertheless this is another good response thanks much appreciated 👍 |
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Youbamii said: kronopy said: Nonsense... Rimuru did what any ruler with brain would. What purpose would punishing her serve? She was a pawn with no will of her own, basically sacrificed by Clayman for his plan ... she had no actually idea what Clayman was planning, and she didn't even knew what the purpose of the barrier was ... she was just a collateral victim in all of that. Punishing for the deaths of peoples that will get revived anyway would also be pointless. Moreover, she is useful alive, not only that she holds intel on Clayman, but she is an excellent magician, he needed her during the Harvest Festival, and more importantly than anything, Youm loves her. Rimuru needs Youm to become the next king of Farmus, and showing mercy to the woman he loves will only serve to boosting his loyality towards Rimuru even more. Forgiving her was the right solution no matter how you look at it. The comparation with Ainz is also bullshit ... Ainz is the villain of his story, he is evil and plans to conquer the world. Rimuru is a benevolent Demon Lord who wants to build a peaceful between his country of monsters and humans. Fair enough for me personally this scene and events didn't sit well with me and some people agree but not everyone will see it that way, youm was ready to pick a girl he met a few days ago over a dide who helped him from 0 to 100 that for me didn't sit well with me and for the girl youm tried to stop her but didn't really try enough and the other guy pulled out his sword but didn't do anything just let her cast her spell they could have knocking her out and she herself knew clayman was going to kill her regardless thats what the other dude from the beastman kingdom was telling her but no in the end she was high on being with youm so she did it anyway as others said in the manga Rimuru said because of your selfish desire you damned my people etc see if the did this scene better i wouldn't have a problem with it but to me personally it didn't feel so good but nina explained that he didn't go easy on them cuz he plans on doing something later on so it made me feel a bit better A lot of the issues stem from the pacing of the anime too, which honestly was a mess... they focused a lot on details that didn't matter that much, and sacrificed important elements instead ... and the way is built is quite stupid. In the anime Myulan is first shown before Clayman, so from the first moment we know she is a villain, which makes it harder to get attached to her, and makes it easier to junge her actions. In the original source and in the manga, she is simply presented as a member of Youm's party, who had spent a while with them, and when she already show sings of having feelings for him, it make sense. We never get to know that she is involved with Clayman, until he contacts her before the assault. And when he asks her to set a barrier, she is hesitant, but Clayman blackmails, by basically telling her that he will kill Youm if she doesn't do it. This happenins the the anime too, but is done so badly that is forgetable I guess. Youm on the other hand doesn't show that he is ready to make a choice between her and Rimuru, neither in the novel nor the anime. He simply tries to save her, and convice Rimuru to spar her, even offering to become his slave, in the sense that he will obey anything he asks from now on in exchange for her life. |
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