Monogatari Series: Final Season
| Hi, Well, I've finished watching Owarimonogatari yesterday, and it really pissed me off. I mean, I absolutely adore the series, I'm binge watching it, but the timeline and release dates are a mess. Really, who's bright idea was it to completely ignore any sort of chronological line. What left me very upset and annoyed was that this series, especially the Shinobu Mail Arc, according to information from the anime (only, I don't read manga) the events in this arc should be AFTER Tsukimonogatari. That right there is already enough to convince me that the director/exec prod of the Owarimonogatari series needs to have a ret*** alert, because it tries to force this arc during the events of Monogatari Series: Second Season - Tsubasa Tiger. This gets rollercoastered down the level of stupidity, due to the fact that Tsukimonogatari takes place after Monogatari Series: Second Season - Hitagi End Arc, which takes place AFTER the Tsubasa Tiger arc. Yet I keep seeing references to Tsukimonogatari in the Shinobu Mail arc, but no reference to the fact that Araragi should have been acting like a mortal to not become a true vampire, and that Sengoku was a fricking God. They even go to that shrine and don't even mention it...They do mention the fact that Araragi and Shinobu's link gets weakened, you know, due to the events of him abusing his vamp powers during the Hitagi End arc so...I'm just... Basically, what I wanna know is if other people have spotted this problem or if I'm truly going mental, which I don't think I am. Also, at the end of the arc (Shinobu Mail), we see hints of the creation of Yumewatari. Now, why do I have this weird strange feeling I've seen one of the characters talk about or showing that sword ? It's like a deja-vu, but I sware I saw it up until Owarimonogatari (and yes, I mean Yumewatari, not Kokorowatari). Cheers ! P.S. : It's my first time watching the series and I try to watch it in a chronological order to make the most sense out of it. |
MrAndersonXApr 10, 2019 8:50 AM
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FelleBanan_ygsr said: I don't have an answer to this. Owarimonogatari is the part with the strangest timeline placement in my opinion. Up until my novel order rewatch (watching right now) I had no idea where Owarimonogatari fit. I just assumed it took place after Tsukimonogatari and didn't think more about it, but apparently it takes place during Second Season I guess. Yo, Yeah, it takes place before and after, both apparently ? That's the kind of message I got from it, though it's inconsistent at that also. It's really bugging the life out of me, and I need an expert to confirm/infirm the above :). Thanks for your thoughts tho . |
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| Your problem was trying to watch it in chronological order. Don't do that. Just don't. Release order is and will always be better. |
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| I got lost in your reasoning tbh, I think you got it wrong. I don't remember the details anymore, but when I was watching the Monogatari series I was checking the chronological order timeline to see where each part fits, and I didn't notice any inconsistencies. Here's the chart, there's series chronology on the right side (which ISN'T the anime watching order, the release order is how you're supposed to watch it). Most of Owari takes place after Tsubasa Tiger but BEFORE Nadeko Medusa, Hitagi End and Tsuki. Only the Shinobu Mail arc takes place simultaneously with Tsubasa Tiger and explains why Tsubasa couldn't contact Araragi and had to handle everything on her own during that arc. |
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TsukuyomiREKT said: Your problem was trying to watch it in chronological order. Don't do that. Just don't. Release order is and will always be better. Yo, Well, the release order and the episodes/arcs timeline during a season is a total and complete mess, and since we're human beings which act in a chronological order, I beg to differ, but each with his own :). From my point of view, the anime makes alot more sense and is more logical and has a complete and profound storyline watched in the right timeline order. |
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fuyuki said: I got lost in your reasoning tbh, I think you got it wrong. I don't remember the details anymore, but when I was watching the Monogatari series I was checking the chronological order timeline to see where each part fits, and I didn't notice any inconsistencies. Here's the chart, there's series chronology on the right side (which ISN'T the anime watching order, the release order is how you're supposed to watch it). Most of Owari takes place after Tsubasa Tiger but BEFORE Nadeko Medusa, Hitagi End and Tsuki. Only the Shinobu Mail arc takes place simultaneously with Tsubasa Tiger and explains why Tsubasa couldn't contact Araragi and had to handle everything on her own during that arc. Yo, Yeah, I got the part of the link severance (Shinobi Time) and Koyomi becoming a vampire (Tsuki) wrong, which led to some confussion. Other then that tho, I got it right. And I was only referring to the Shinobu Mail arc from Owarimonogatari, as Ougi Formula, Sodachi Riddle and Sodachi Lost are kinda bad and feel like some sort of useless filler to me. Also, the chronological watching order is kinda the right order, for reasons mentioned above. At least if you wanna make some sort of sense out of the anime. What led to my confussion besides the severance/vampire thing, seems to be Ougi (lol), due to the fact that at the beginning of the Shinobu Mail Arc, in the first episode, she tells Araragi: "You should be aware of what befell Kaiki Deshuu, the great fraud. If you don't wish to end up like him, please tell your story. Tell the story you've been so adamant about hiding until now." That made me confused about things (because Kaiki got scr**** in Tsuki), even though after Araragi specifies after that he tells the story that happened two months before Ougi joined his school. But because the next lines are about the link between him and Shinobu being broken, I just read between the lines and got to a wrong conclusion :D. By the way, the order I'm watching the anime in is the one from MAL (prequel/sequel), so I'm not watching particular episodes from a season or an arc. And because seasons contain different arcs with different timelines in them, it's easy to get confused. I'm glad I got to clear some things up tho. Still want some info about the Dream Span sword (Yumewatari) if possible. I'm sure I was it being mentioned or shown before the events in the Shinobu Mail Arc (which according to Ougi, will lead to its creation). |
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| @MrAndersonX The order intended by the creators is the right one. Figuring out the chronology and completing the puzzle is a part of the fun in case of Monogatari. You can watch it in the chronological order, it'll still make sense, but you're just ignoring the plot structure invented by the author and rejecting one of the things that make Monogatari unique. Also as you've just noticed, it's simply impossible to list Monogatari seasons in the prequel->sequel order. You're probably not going to read the novels but if you tried to in the chronological order, you'd had to switch between volumes and read it in some very weird order, you'd have to start with the 3rd volume, then go back to the 1st one, and then keep juggling like that which doesn't sound like a sensible thing to do. What I'm trying to say, the story isn't linear on purpose and it's not like your brain can only process information if it's presented to you in a straight line, as long as you're actually using it while watching. I'm not only talking about Monogatari now, in case of many anime prequels are designed to develop subplots that were already briefly introduced during the main story (eg. NGNL). Some prequels that were released later already assume you're familar with the previous part of the story, and skip any introductions thus making it confusing if you're not familiar with anything (eg. Free!). In some cases, trying to watch show in a prequel->sequel order will completely disintegrate the storyline (eg. Macross). Not to mention, some anime don't even let you decide the order (good luck if you ever try Baccano). Can't help when it comes to the swords, unfortunately. |
fuyukiApr 11, 2019 10:31 AM
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fuyuki said: @MrAndersonX The order intended by the creators is the right one. Figuring out the chronology and completing the puzzle is a part of the fun in case of Monogatari. You can watch it in the chronological order, it'll still make sense, but you're just ignoring the plot structure invented by the author and rejecting one of the things that make Monogatari unique. Also as you've just noticed, it's simply impossible to list Monogatari seasons in the prequel->sequel order. You're probably not going to read the novels but if you tried to in the chronological order, you'd had to switch between volumes and read it in some very weird order, you'd have to start with the 3rd volume, then go back to the 1st one, and then keep juggling like that which doesn't sound like a sensible thing to do. What I'm trying to say, the story isn't linear on purpose and it's not like your brain can only process information if it's presented to you in a straight line, as long as you're actually using it while watching. I'm not only talking about Monogatari now, in case of many anime prequels are designed to develop subplots that were already briefly introduced during the main story (eg. NGNL). Some prequels that were released later already assume you're familar with the previous part of the story, and skip any introductions thus making it confusing if you're not familiar with anything (eg. Free!). In some cases, trying to watch show in a prequel->sequel order will completely disintegrate the storyline (eg. Macross). Not to mention, some anime don't even let you decide the order (good luck if you ever try Baccano). Can't help when it comes to the swords, unfortunately. Yo, Okay, got it :). Thanks for the help mate ! |
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fuyuki said: @MrAndersonX The order intended by the creators is the right one. Figuring out the chronology and completing the puzzle is a part of the fun in case of Monogatari. You can watch it in the chronological order, it'll still make sense, but you're just ignoring the plot structure invented by the author and rejecting one of the things that make Monogatari unique. Also as you've just noticed, it's simply impossible to list Monogatari seasons in the prequel->sequel order. You're probably not going to read the novels but if you tried to in the chronological order, you'd had to switch between volumes and read it in some very weird order, you'd have to start with the 3rd volume, then go back to the 1st one, and then keep juggling like that which doesn't sound like a sensible thing to do. What I'm trying to say, the story isn't linear on purpose and it's not like your brain can only process information if it's presented to you in a straight line, as long as you're actually using it while watching. I'm not only talking about Monogatari now, in case of many anime prequels are designed to develop subplots that were already briefly introduced during the main story (eg. NGNL). Some prequels that were released later already assume you're familar with the previous part of the story, and skip any introductions thus making it confusing if you're not familiar with anything (eg. Free!). In some cases, trying to watch show in a prequel->sequel order will completely disintegrate the storyline (eg. Macross). Not to mention, some anime don't even let you decide the order (good luck if you ever try Baccano). Can't help when it comes to the swords, unfortunately. Huh, funny, it was actually way more enjoyable and very much actually understandable albeit the confusion I had from that episode. Also only talking about the Monogatari series. Watched No Game No life previously, in order, again, no issues, Fate, Baccano was ez as hell to understand, so I miss your point entirely. So yeah, basically, totally ignoring the Manga order (which I couldn't give 1 fuck less about or the author's intention), allowed me to view the anime as I wanted it giving me more satisfaction and allowing a more deep and complex connection to its story and character. Shocking how our brains work differently. |
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