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Mar 24, 2019 6:54 AM
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Hmm, this episode's dogfights erupted what seems to be more like a war. It's not just a battle as everyone takes their planes into the sky.

Lot of action with lives on the line. Seeing a giant airship crash like that was also showed the seriousness of this war. I definitely lost count how many planes got shot down. It seems the episode is pushing the action with all sides and getting as many as characters to participate as possible (even characters outsdie the Kotobuki corps)
Mar 24, 2019 7:51 AM
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Another intense episodes.
And with all those aircraft flying around like that it makes me wonder how the skies would have looked during WW2 when hundreds sometimes even thousands of aircraft flew together and encaged one another.
Must have been an amazing sight to see.

For Leona to make such a mistake and for Kirie to get even more rilled up than she usually does.
The things happening hit them hard.
Mar 24, 2019 8:11 AM
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Man what a spectacle, so much happened, between characters and through the entirerity of the battle.

Damn that Isao is so selfish for his gains he doesn't care about any of the people of his side, well this is a war. I feel like his main goal is to just know what is on the other side of the hole/portal and if he could he might try to claim whats on the other side. He did say that Japanese people came from the other side. Also what happened to sabji after he was taken down, poor Kylie she went full berserk.
Mar 24, 2019 8:57 AM
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Interesting, I wonder if it's like 2003 FMA where the hole is connecting two different worlds where different events have transpired.

I really liked the moment where Kirie questioned why they were fighting this war. <3
I felt really bad for her when she learnt that Sab-ji was taken down by Isao. She went full berserk. :(
Mar 24, 2019 9:01 AM
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And here I thought they were going to somehow redeem Isao, like they had been doing with some of the other 'villainous' characters that had popped up over the course of the series. Seems like I'm totally wrong about that.

A damn good episode though. It went by way too quickly.
Mar 24, 2019 9:41 AM
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Jaz what is it in that hole in the sky that the Brotherhood of Freedom Union wants with it????

Oh it looks like Isoa got too careless that he got shot down by Kate.
Mar 24, 2019 9:52 AM
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Great battle with this episode, it was awesome to meet every character seen in the previous episodes.

Isao's plane had... a certain style & efficiency, he sure is the big boss of his side lol
I also appreciated the links between Ol' Sab, with Naomi being his former student & Isao knowing him.

I'm curious to see how they will end the show.
Mar 24, 2019 10:20 AM
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I kind of guessed that they will use Shinden as a final "boss" just because on how futuristic and fearsome it looks.

To no one's surprise it was the Japanese all along. But they didn't say Imperial Japanese Army so i'm wondering if it's post WW2 or they just left that detail out.

Also, there was an end credit scene and its just everyone in KOTOBUKI squad that has been shotdown got recovered and a new hole is opening in Ikesuka.
Mar 24, 2019 12:27 PM
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I kind of guessed that they will use Shinden as a final "boss" just because on how futuristic and fearsome it looks.

To no one's surprise it was the Japanese all along. But they didn't say Imperial Japanese Army so i'm wondering if it's post WW2 or they just left that detail out.

Also, there was an end credit scene and its just everyone in KOTOBUKI squad that has been shotdown got recovered and a new hole is opening in Ikesuka.



Yes, they mean the Japanese Army. Today in Japan it's known as the "Nippon Teikoku Rikugun" (imperial Japanese land forces), but they called themselves the "Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun" or "The Land Forces of the Greater Japanese Empire".

Also, the dates of the aircraft correspond to the end of WWII. The J7W1, Isao's aircraft was first flown in April of 1945, and the Type 5 (Ki-100) fighter, the N1K2-Ja, and A7M2 Reppu--all of which are introduced in this battle--were produced between march of 1944 up to the end of the war.

Given the description of Yufang, it's likely that Yufang is actually Hiroshima; Hiroshima was a prominent army staging ground during WWII, and had plenty of heavy industry manufacturing everything from handguns and grenades to aircraft parts. Some 40,000 troops of the IJA were also stationed there, along with several heavy anti-aircraft batteries at the time of the bombing in August of 1945.

It would seem, then, that in this history Hiroshima was sucked in through a portal at or during the time of the bombing, and then returned after an indeterminate amount of time had passed. This city can only be Hiroshima and not Nagasaki, because Nagasaki, while also heavily industrialized, was primarily devoted to shipbuilding and electronics.


It's worth noting that Isao's butler is flying the Ki-87, a high-altitude interceptor developed in response to the B-29, of which only a single prototype was built before the war's end. Suffice it to say that the IJA's engineers likely had plenty of time to focus on its design and production.
Mar 24, 2019 12:53 PM
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firemagnet said:
ILoveBaguettes said:
I kind of guessed that they will use Shinden as a final "boss" just because on how futuristic and fearsome it looks.

To no one's surprise it was the Japanese all along. But they didn't say Imperial Japanese Army so i'm wondering if it's post WW2 or they just left that detail out.

Also, there was an end credit scene and its just everyone in KOTOBUKI squad that has been shotdown got recovered and a new hole is opening in Ikesuka.



Yes, they mean the Japanese Army. Today in Japan it's known as the "Nippon Teikoku Rikugun" (imperial Japanese land forces), but they called themselves the "Dai-Nippon Teikoku Rikugun" or "The Land Forces of the Greater Japanese Empire".

Also, the dates of the aircraft correspond to the end of WWII. The J7W1, Isao's aircraft was first flown in April of 1945, and the Type 5 (Ki-100) fighter, the N1K2-Ja, and A7M2 Reppu--all of which are introduced in this battle--were produced between march of 1944 up to the end of the war.

Given the description of Yufang, it's likely that Yufang is actually Hiroshima; Hiroshima was a prominent army staging ground during WWII, and had plenty of heavy industry manufacturing everything from handguns and grenades to aircraft parts. Some 40,000 troops of the IJA were also stationed there, along with several heavy anti-aircraft batteries at the time of the bombing in August of 1945.

It would seem, then, that in this history Hiroshima was sucked in through a portal at or during the time of the bombing, and then returned after an indeterminate amount of time had passed. This city can only be Hiroshima and not Nagasaki, because Nagasaki, while also heavily industrialized, was primarily devoted to shipbuilding and electronics.


It's worth noting that Isao's butler is flying the Ki-87, a high-altitude interceptor developed in response to the B-29, of which only a single prototype was built before the war's end. Suffice it to say that the IJA's engineers likely had plenty of time to focus on its design and production.


That hypothesis about Yufang being Hiroshima sounds really interesting.

I would love to get a second season on this one to know more about this world.
Mar 24, 2019 1:44 PM
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Whats the name of that plane the villian was using that could do 90* straight up turns like that? Thought that was more a modern thing.
Mar 24, 2019 3:02 PM

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Great episode and at least one new plane Now we know who the Yufang were. Arkana can kiss my rather large ass. This series is good, and planes aren’t metal boxes.
Mar 24, 2019 3:22 PM

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Whats the name of that plane the villian was using that could do 90* straight up turns like that? Thought that was more a modern thing.
Here you go, it was a J7W Shinden.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W
Mar 24, 2019 4:35 PM

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Damn that Isao. I'll admit that even with his frequent party tricks, he is an idealist and will not hesitate to shoot anyone down who isn't his slaves at work. And his plane was damn impressive, never before seen and finally showed up. Once I saw that plane, I already knew that the game was up on the wall for the Kotobuki girls, and the pilots of Rahama and others.

With that said, Part 1 of the finale battle between the Union Brotherhood vs. the rest.

From a careless but mindful murderer, Isao definitely brings the war competition up a notch. Wonder how everything will end. Such an intriguing series if you ask me.
Mar 24, 2019 6:32 PM
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firemagnet said:

It's worth noting that Isao's butler is flying the Ki-87, a high-altitude interceptor developed in response to the B-29, of which only a single prototype was built before the war's end. Suffice it to say that the IJA's engineers likely had plenty of time to focus on its design and production.


Nah the plane that the butler used had a vee engine, Ki-87 has a radial engine. do note the contra-rotating propellers as well. If you ask me it looks like a Kawasaki Ki-64, a prototype Japanese fighter
Mar 24, 2019 8:47 PM
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firemagnet said:

It's worth noting that Isao's butler is flying the Ki-87, a high-altitude interceptor developed in response to the B-29, of which only a single prototype was built before the war's end. Suffice it to say that the IJA's engineers likely had plenty of time to focus on its design and production.


Nah the plane that the butler used had a vee engine, Ki-87 has a radial engine. do note the contra-rotating propellers as well. If you ask me it looks like a Kawasaki Ki-64, a prototype Japanese fighter


Yes, that design makes more sense. I'm shocked I haven't heard of it. With that said, the presence of the Ki-64 doesn't really make logical sense, because of the distribution of aircraft factories in Japan (not that I could find which factory manufactured it, mind you).

Perhaps the portal linked to multiple points in Japan?
Mar 24, 2019 9:29 PM

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What a cool ass plane Isao was flying. If I was more of a war history and/or aviation buff I image I'd really appreciate how in depth they go with all these different planes. Regardless, this was a really big scale battle. It was pretty epic to watch and there were probably a lot of causalities on both sides. Some ppl had to have died when that big ass blimp crashed.

Also the Yufang are the Japanese which is not all that surprising.
Mar 25, 2019 4:21 AM

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Nice, a really exciting episode.

I like how people they befriended in the previous episodes came in to give some help. Those Elite industries people did some work. :D

He's annoying, but I think Isao is a great villain. He's evil, but also very intelligent.. knows how to get Kylie angry. Looking forward how they would defeat him.
Mar 25, 2019 7:39 AM
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So, the portal goes to Japan apparently...
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is this an isekai?
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Mar 25, 2019 7:22 PM

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so Isao is actually a dirty brat. this asshole even got guts to shoot and bombard anyone who refuses to join his Brotherhood. glad Julia is fine. but it may not be exactly like what you think. Kate said to Reona, if she thinks there maybe a possibility Isao is controlled by some people (but still he deserves punches).

btw after many episodes, i am a little surprised this anime has supernatural phenomenon as subplot. its even more surpising than Pastel Memories where almost in the entirely 1st eps i thought its only about "detective girls" until i saw portal.

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Mar 25, 2019 11:03 PM
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so Isao is actually a dirty brat. this asshole even got guts to shoot and bombard anyone who refuses to join his Brotherhood. glad Julia is fine. but it may not be exactly like what you think. Kate said to Reona, if she thinks there maybe a possibility Isao is controlled by some people (but still he deserves punches).

btw after many episodes, i am a little surprised this anime has supernatural phenomenon as subplot. its even more surpising than Pastel Memories where almost in the entirely 1st eps i thought its only about "detective girls" until i saw portal.


Isao is actually a classic authoritarian and demagogue. He projects his own motives onto his opponents in order to rally the public around him; so he projects his desires to monopolize the resources of the world and the portals (so he can make money off of it all), not his enemies. But he tells the public of the city-states what they want to hear, so they go along with him.
Mar 26, 2019 7:25 PM
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Isao turned out to be a wretch. Damn fool!. As they say "Your friend can become your biggest enemy" and regarding the president of the Elite industries "The enemy of today can be tomorrow's friend".
Mar 26, 2019 7:31 PM

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I must say I was surprised just as Leona by Isao's response not to let them retreat. I had faith in the guy thinking he wasn't that bad, but damn is he such a smiling villain and jolly too. But I wished he destroyed Kylie though, hate that annoying shit.
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Mar 26, 2019 9:04 PM

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I just love how everyone from past episodes is showing up!
I hope the fake painting boss and his daughter fight the evil accountant in the last episode.
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Mar 28, 2019 1:03 AM

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Such a chaotic ant-like dogfights! 200+ vs 200+ planes!? damn!
that was some OP prototype plane from the dictator dude!
5/5.


Mar 28, 2019 5:12 PM
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I must say I was surprised just as Leona by Isao's response not to let them retreat. I had faith in the guy thinking he wasn't that bad, but damn is he such a smiling villain and jolly too. But I wished he destroyed Kylie though, hate that annoying shit.


Ky.. Kylie ?😢 i love this girl, started from eps ah i forgot, its when she got shotdown by Naomi. She's quite pretty & I love her character & voice too lol. Oddly enough, the one that i can't stand is Naomi's. Eventhough her CV is one of my fav.

Btw those two black purple fighters whom'r shot down by Emma & Chika were the two of four elite fighters they faced back at that standon oil company attack, aren't they?

I hope this series could expanded to season 2, i would love it if they could introduce RAF,USAF, and German's fighter as well.
Mar 30, 2019 4:54 PM

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Pretty intense episode, probably the one I enjoyed the most. The whole aerial battle sequence was just fantastic and Isao, despite being the main villain, I still find him rather endearing if I'm honest.

One more episode to go.
Apr 1, 2019 2:29 AM

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I thought Isao was a good guy? Didn't he save one of the girls or something? Anyway, he's an asshole.
Apr 3, 2019 5:19 AM

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Such magnificent aerial war in this episode. So, it turns out that the old man was isekai'd into this world and is part of the Imperial Japanese Forces. Imagine looking up the skies during the invasion of Normandy, D-day, how the stomachs of the defenders must have sunk.
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Jul 8, 2019 7:52 PM

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This episode encapsulated everything that is great and terrible about this anime. This anime was the ultimate spectacle. Fights looked amazing, though the big furballs made it tough to really feel how the battle was going. Isao's flying was great, and he showed himself to easily be the best pilot out there. However, even he can get shot down, which is a good lesson about areal combat.

The main problem is that this anime through Isao under the bus hard. He was a unique character, and it was great to see him juxtaposed with Julia. He was naturally charming and hopeful, but it was clear that his happy-go-lucky attitude could easily bring disaster. There was a lot of cool and interesting things about him. Then the anime decided to make him piss in pretty much everyone's cheerios. He has either shot down your loved one or betrayed you to seize power. It was reaching the point of comedy at how he was able to personally wrong virtually every character.
Jul 20, 2019 1:13 PM

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Pretty epic aerial battle, they protrayed it like a real war in the air.

I wonder if that guy would have been the protagonist, would this anime count as an isekai?

Mar 14, 2020 11:24 AM

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Lots of action and aerial combat, a true paradise for fans. The plot still does not understand where he wants to go, but at least between aerial choreography and funny jokes, time passes pleasantly.
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Oh, well, what i said, that was great battle scenery! All that aerial acrobat. So much warbirds. Isao armies on Ikesuka really crazy. So, why they are attacking with the strategy like that? Face to face war like that was unnecessary. Its pretty obvious Isao had managed to get that air forces so much like that. So, why? These thing might not get explanations, which is extremely unsatisfied. Especially with the way they gather everyone, attacking in one commando like need time. And this series lack of explain it. Very sad again to see the reason might come to the duration.

Damned those warfare problematica, and lacking the backgrounds story telling. I need to see a great story, and more battle actions. This episode, really served my first expectations. Good job for it! Sadly this show does not get enough attention to shine, and i dont even know why!

In another part, Kotobuki will see another holes in Ikesuka? Another great fights might erupted soon. Lets see how they managed to end this show. With smile in the face? Or a confussion?
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