Marry grave was axed...

DreamingBeats said:
"the mangaka should stop being lazy and give us more chapters!"
Mal, when a manga series they pirate goes on hiatus.

"im so saaaad the manga i read for free on scanlation sites was axed."
Mal, when the pirated manga they read get canceled - either because of financial difficulties by mangaka, or because the mangaka stopped caring about the series.

i wish the best for the author, though i dont care about this particular series. if you pirated the series, congratulations. you gave the author a reason to stop the series, which is what you wanted.

Shutainzu-Geeto said:


Your answer is kind of stupid...
It's true as you said that when it's axed it's either because of money or the author's health or the fact that he dont care anymore, but it has nothing to do with us here.

The fact that it was axed here is due to financial income, and it's ONLY due to the japan one.
As it's true that we may "pirate" here all over the world as you say, it's mostly because it's the only way for us to have it and it's so logical that it makes your answer dumb. It's not here "pirating" all over the world that will affect japan's sales.

Moreover it's been proven multiple times that scanlation and piracy(when there is no other legal mean to get the support) makes it more known thus give more income.

You sir are just being a douche here, no personal offence.
Dont try to be that guy that judge "the pleb".

DreamingBeats said:

first, correlation does not imply causation. just because data shows an increase in sales during the same period where there is an increase in piracy, that does not mean piracy led to an increase in sales. other factors are im play as well, such as the economic outlook of the country. crediting everything to piracy is both naive and a gross misunderstanding of how to interpret data.
let alone the fact the mangaka never asked pirates to make their series more well known
if they want to make it more well known, they will make promotional posts on twitter, make temporary doscounts, or use whatever marketing tools are available.

i understand why pirates try to attribute increase in sales to piract though - its a convenient excuse that sounds almost convincing.

claiming that only sales in Japan matter is also a myth - a sizeable amount of merchandise is sold worldwide. thats why Amazon Japan, Kinokuniya, Rakuten sells anime merch worldwide. it might surprise you that people all over the world will either buy licensed translated manga or import the manga straight from Japan.

also, you as well as other shameless pirates out there seem to live in a fantasy world where people who make manga for a living are well- off / rich. many of them are barely able to pay basic living expenses. then act surprised when a manga gets axed because the author felt it wasnt worth the effort to continue the series.

notice that i said "a reason to stop the series". if the series isnt doing well both in the domestic and the international market, why would they continue the series? so that selfish pirates get to read for free without paying a dime to the author? by the same token, if a series is succcessful, there is a good chance it will continue for a long time (see dragon ball as an example of a series that wont die). there is a saying that goes "you vote with your wallet". not paying a dime means you are effectively telling the author their work is worth nothing and dont care if it gets axed.

before you protest and say buying 1 volume wont make a difference, consider the case when all the pirates who enjoyed the series actually bought even 1 volume. the numbers adds up.
even just 1,000 additional volumes sold would translate to $8k-9k in additional revenue.

DreamingBeats said:

first, correlation does not imply causation. just because data shows an increase in sales during the same period where there is an increase in piracy, that does not mean piracy led to an increase in sales. other factors are im play as well, such as the economic outlook of the country. crediting everything to piracy is both naive and a gross misunderstanding of how to interpret data.
let alone the fact the mangaka never asked pirates to make their series more well known
if they want to make it more well known, they will make promotional posts on twitter, make temporary doscounts, or use whatever marketing tools are available.

i understand why pirates try to attribute increase in sales to piract though - its a convenient excuse that sounds almost convincing.

claiming that only sales in Japan matter is also a myth - a sizeable amount of merchandise is sold worldwide. thats why Amazon Japan, Kinokuniya, Rakuten sells anime merch worldwide. it might surprise you that people all over the world will either buy licensed translated manga or import the manga straight from Japan.

also, you as well as other shameless pirates out there seem to live in a fantasy world where people who make manga for a living are well- off / rich. many of them are barely able to pay basic living expenses. then act surprised when a manga gets axed because the author felt it wasnt worth the effort to continue the series.

notice that i said "a reason to stop the series". if the series isnt doing well both in the domestic and the international market, why would they continue the series? so that selfish pirates get to read for free without paying a dime to the author? by the same token, if a series is succcessful, there is a good chance it will continue for a long time (see dragon ball as an example of a series that wont die). there is a saying that goes "you vote with your wallet". not paying a dime means you are effectively telling the author their work is worth nothing and dont care if it gets axed.

before you protest and say buying 1 volume wont make a difference, consider the case when all the pirates who enjoyed the series actually bought even 1 volume. the numbers adds up.
even just 1,000 additional volumes sold would translate to $8k-9k in additional revenue.

DreamingBeats said:

also, you as well as other shameless pirates out there seem to live in a fantasy world where people who make manga for a living are well- off / rich. many of them are barely able to pay basic living expenses.

DreamingBeats said:


first, correlation does not imply causation. just because data shows an increase in sales during the same period where there is an increase in piracy, that does not mean piracy led to an increase in sales. other factors are im play as well, such as the economic outlook of the country. crediting everything to piracy is both naive and a gross misunderstanding of how to interpret data.
let alone the fact the mangaka never asked pirates to make their series more well known
if they want to make it more well known, they will make promotional posts on twitter, make temporary doscounts, or use whatever marketing tools are available.

i understand why pirates try to attribute increase in sales to piract though - its a convenient excuse that sounds almost convincing.

claiming that only sales in Japan matter is also a myth - a sizeable amount of merchandise is sold worldwide. thats why Amazon Japan, Kinokuniya, Rakuten sells anime merch worldwide. it might surprise you that people all over the world will either buy licensed translated manga or import the manga straight from Japan.

also, you as well as other shameless pirates out there seem to live in a fantasy world where people who make manga for a living are well- off / rich. many of them are barely able to pay basic living expenses. then act surprised when a manga gets axed because the author felt it wasnt worth the effort to continue the series.

notice that i said "a reason to stop the series". if the series isnt doing well both in the domestic and the international market, why would they continue the series? so that selfish pirates get to read for free without paying a dime to the author? by the same token, if a series is succcessful, there is a good chance it will continue for a long time (see dragon ball as an example of a series that wont die). there is a saying that goes "you vote with your wallet". not paying a dime means you are effectively telling the author their work is worth nothing and dont care if it gets axed.

before you protest and say buying 1 volume wont make a difference, consider the case when all the pirates who enjoyed the series actually bought even 1 volume. the numbers adds up.
even just 1,000 additional volumes sold would translate to $8k-9k in additional revenue.

NothingFound said:

I'm one of those Pirates ARRG! that you mention. But most if not that all of it are series that i "pirated" I wouldn't have tried them otherwise cuz why paying for something ur not sure if you will like or not. As an example i pirated Steins Gate back when it released (the VN) and i was even questioning if it was worth the trouble or not, but now you can see me with the original game for Windows, and more merchandise that i would like to admit i have, and i'm in a similar situation for One Piece. And guess what, there's a lot of people that can relate to that, we know not everybody can support a series but there are many that will do.

Shutainzu-Geeto said:
I've just read the last few chapters and sadly i have to tell you guys that... as good as this manga was, it got axed.
I'm so sad about it, this series had a great potential and i was looking foward to it, it had a decent universe and the story was quite good but no, it has meet it's POOR end.

Sad story guys, we lost a gem here :'(

Shutainzu-Geeto said:

When it's true you dont want to buy something you're not sure you'll like, it's the kind of mentality that kill small things like "small manga" in this case sadly.
Why?
Things you like to the point of buying it is most likely liked by the global community, thus most likely wont suffer of the threat of being axed. The fact that you quote Steins;Gate and One piece is the perfect example of it!

Thinking like that profit to the "big" and kill the "small" if you get what i'm trying to say here
Personnaly i have no remorse of pirating something like "one piece" wich is massively known and sell but i'd rather buy "little things" far less known like marry grave for example in wich case you really have a feeling of rewarding and helping the author and assistants... to live, because we all know how difficult their live is!
But well that's just my personnal feeling about it and i'm the one being off topic now...