| Okay, so people are feeling bad for Rinne (daughter) coz she loves Setsuna lol did y'all forgot about the dead Setsuna in the cave? Meaning this is her second Setsuna, she changed love interest that quickly people And Rinne (mother) deserves Setsuna more than Rinne (daughter) can only ever hope to imagine Not to mention, first loop in the anime, Setsuna is 80% actively and constantly initiating and going for a romance with Rinne (daughter) this I can understand for people to feel bad for Rinne (daughter) However in the second loop in the anime, Setsuna clearly got his memories, hence he's passive in the romance and just focused on helping them, meaning Rinne (daughter) fall for this Setsuna despite the shallow romance compared to the first loop in the anime. |
LairucremSep 17, 2018 2:24 AM
Idiotn1 said: This is because anime production team actually made never island (winter) too short in anime and not exactly the full story behind there and this story ending is absolutely different with vn (no only the ending but almost all the development only the plot is the same) . I think the fan from vn will actually happy with this ending because Rinne(mother) finally finds her happiness This thread ain't about the VN tho, please keep this anime only, I already heard about Kuon's true ending in the VN being for anyone's interpretation so it doesn't really matter Also, it isn't just about screen time, read my 3rd paragraph edit above |
| People feel bad for Rinne because the entire anime was about Rinne and Setsuna's relationship. The show focused much more on Rinne than it did on Kuon, and Rinne is even the central focus of the opening and ending themes. Kuon and Setsuna's romance felt more like a footnote. They really needed to make the Never Island part longer if this was the ending they had planned. |
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Daemon said: People feel bad for Rinne because the entire anime was about Rinne and Setsuna's relationship. The show focused much more on Rinne than it did on Kuon, and Rinne is even the central focus of the opening and ending themes. Kuon and Setsuna's romance felt more like a footnote. They really needed to make the Never Island part longer if this was the ending they had planned. I feel like you and @J4sm1n4 didn't even read the first post Also entirely to Rinne(daughter)? Did you guys forgot the first ever scene in episode 1 is with Rinne(mother)? It's clear Kuon the main love interest but obviously not the main girl well at least in the anime Also, romance ain't about screen time, it's about the depth and how the romantic build ups are done, again it's understandable for the first loop romance with Rinne(daughter) but not in the second, as I've explained in the first post, plus that Rinne is dead, second loop are reincarnations, coz the earth's time reset itself bcoz of the chronoquake |
J4sm1n4 said: PureAgiMaxReborn said: I feel like you and @J4sm1n4 didn't even read the first post Also entirely to Rinne(daughter)? Did you guys forgot the first ever scene in episode 1 is with Rinne(mother)? It's clear Kuon the main love interest but obviously not the main girl well at least in the anime Also, romance ain't about screen time, it's about the depth and how the romantic build ups are done, again it's understandable for the first loop romance with Rinne(daughter) but not in the second, as I've explained in the first post, plus that Rinne is dead, second loop are reincarnations, coz the earth's time reset itself bcoz of the chronoquake Sex scene could have meant nothing he had them with every girl. I never meant just that, between Setsuna and Rinne(mother) both mutually love each other 100% as for the other girls could you say Setsuna even get to 70%? Again, with an established mutual love right from the start, it doesn't really matter if another got more screen time coz the mc won't get to that 100% for the other girls |
PureAgiMaxReborn said: Daemon said: People feel bad for Rinne because the entire anime was about Rinne and Setsuna's relationship. The show focused much more on Rinne than it did on Kuon, and Rinne is even the central focus of the opening and ending themes. Kuon and Setsuna's romance felt more like a footnote. They really needed to make the Never Island part longer if this was the ending they had planned. I feel like you and @J4sm1n4 didn't even read the first post Also entirely to Rinne(daughter)? Did you guys forgot the first ever scene in episode 1 is with Rinne(mother)? It's clear Kuon the main love interest but obviously not the main girl well at least in the anime Also, romance ain't about screen time, it's about the depth and how the romantic build ups are done, again it's understandable for the first loop romance with Rinne(daughter) but not in the second, as I've explained in the first post, plus that Rinne is dead, second loop are reincarnations, coz the earth's time reset itself bcoz of the chronoquake I did read the first post and your reasoning makes no sense. Screen time absolutely does matter, because you're asking about how and why we (the viewers) feel the way we do. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant what happened off-screen, because we did not see it at all and it had no impact on us. The only thing that matters is what the anime bothered to show us. |
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Daemon said: PureAgiMaxReborn said: I feel like you and @J4sm1n4 didn't even read the first post Also entirely to Rinne(daughter)? Did you guys forgot the first ever scene in episode 1 is with Rinne(mother)? It's clear Kuon the main love interest but obviously not the main girl well at least in the anime Also, romance ain't about screen time, it's about the depth and how the romantic build ups are done, again it's understandable for the first loop romance with Rinne(daughter) but not in the second, as I've explained in the first post, plus that Rinne is dead, second loop are reincarnations, coz the earth's time reset itself bcoz of the chronoquake I did read the first post and your reasoning makes no sense. Screen time absolutely does matter, because you're asking about how and why we (the viewers) feel the way we do. Therefore, it is completely irrelevant what happened off-screen, because we did not see it at all and it had no impact on us. The only thing that matters is what the anime bothered to show us. Man, I never ever used an off screen argument, quit accusing me with bs smfh again you say you read it but you couldn't comprehend it, I only used legit scenes as arguments despite her having fewer screen time, she still has the most depth in romance compared to the shallow second loop Rinne(daughter) in the anime Screen time neither equate character development nor romantic build up, your argument is completely subjective but I respect your opinion |
LairucremSep 20, 2018 9:53 AM
PureAgiMaxReborn said: Man, I never ever used an off screen argument, quit accusing me with bs smfh again you say you read it but you couldn't comprehend it, I only used legit scenes as arguments despite her having fewer screen time, she still has the most depth in romance compared to the shallow second loop Rinne(daughter) in the anime I assumed that was what you meant, but if that isn't what you meant, then your argument makes even less sense. You do realize that the first loop Rinne and the second loop Rinne are the same exact character, right? People "feel bad for her" because the first loop's Rinne died and did not have a chance to have a romance with Setsuna despite the fact that the anime focused so much on her time with Setsuna. The whole reason Setsuna even went back in time was to save Rinne, by his own admission. The Never Island part was only like two or three episodes, so it's completely understandable why people are upset that Setsuna ended up choosing Kuon in the end. By the way, I don't personally care about who Setsuna is in love with or whatever (actually him being in love with his own daughter would have been disgusting). The problem I have is that the Never Island part and Kuon's romance was so short and glossed over that it had no impact on me whatsoever. |
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Daemon said: PureAgiMaxReborn said: Man, I never ever used an off screen argument, quit accusing me with bs smfh again you say you read it but you couldn't comprehend it, I only used legit scenes as arguments despite her having fewer screen time, she still has the most depth in romance compared to the shallow second loop Rinne(daughter) in the anime I assumed that was what you meant, but if that isn't what you meant, then your argument makes even less sense. You do realize that the first loop Rinne and the second loop Rinne are the same exact character, right? People "feel bad for her" because the first loop's Rinne died and did not have a chance to have a romance with Setsuna despite the fact that the anime focused so much on her time with Setsuna. The whole reason Setsuna even went back in time was to save Rinne, by his own admission. The Never Island part was only like two or three episodes, so it's completely understandable why people are upset that Setsuna ended up choosing Kuon in the end. By the way, I don't personally care about who Setsuna is in love with or whatever (actually him being in love with his own daughter would have been disgusting). The problem I have is that the Never Island part and Kuon's romance was so short and glossed over that it had no impact on me whatsoever. Dude, it was even explained in the last episode, there's no time machine, it's just cryogenic capsule, bcoz of the Chronoquake, earth's time resets, meaning the second in the anime are just reincarnations so it isn't exactly the same character Dude, you couldn't understand my argument at all, it's like you're intentionally not trying to comprehend it just so you could force your subjective argument on me smfh I thought you could argue objectively but you're just too opinionated, you're not making any sense anymore and just repeating your same logic that I already explained to be unnecessary Again, for like the 5th time, it ain't about screen time, go read the whole thread again coz I've explained this so many times to you, smfh your comprehension is ugh very low or you just being stubborn |
PureAgiMaxReborn said: Dude, it was even explained in the last episode, there's no time machine, it's just cryogenic capsule, bcoz of the Chronoquake, earth's time resets, meaning the second in the anime are just reincarnations so it isn't exactly the same character I know that... I don't see what that has to do with what I said. They are not from the same timeline, but Rinne is Rinne. You also never addressed the rest of my point. Dude, you couldn't understand my argument at all, it's like you're intentionally not trying to comprehend it just so you could force your subjective argument on me smfh I thought you could argue objectively but you're just too opinionated, you're not making any sense anymore and just repeating your same logic that I already explained to be unnecessary Bruh, shut the fuck up. Your opinion isn't "objectively" right. Your opinion is just as subjective as mine. Also, you never addressed anything I said about how the vast majority of the show was about Rinne's romance with Setsuna, and how Never Island barely got any exposure. Again, for like the 5th time, it ain't about screen time, go read the whole thread again coz I've explained this so many times to you, smfh your comprehension is ugh very low or you just being stubborn You're so emotionally invested in your point that you're the one who has not bothered to read my posts. You're just spamming "IT'S NOT ABOUT DE SCREENTIEM HURR DURR" without understanding what I am even saying. Get a grip. |
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Daemon said: PureAgiMaxReborn said: Dude, it was even explained in the last episode, there's no time machine, it's just cryogenic capsule, bcoz of the Chronoquake, earth's time resets, meaning the second in the anime are just reincarnations so it isn't exactly the same character I know that... I don't see what that has to do with what I said. They are not from the same timeline, but Rinne is Rinne. You also never addressed the rest of my point. Dude, you couldn't understand my argument at all, it's like you're intentionally not trying to comprehend it just so you could force your subjective argument on me smfh I thought you could argue objectively but you're just too opinionated, you're not making any sense anymore and just repeating your same logic that I already explained to be unnecessary Bruh, shut the fuck up. Your opinion isn't "objectively" right. Your opinion is just as subjective as mine. Also, you never addressed anything I said about how the vast majority of the show was about Rinne's romance with Setsuna, and how Never Island barely got any exposure. Again, for like the 5th time, it ain't about screen time, go read the whole thread again coz I've explained this so many times to you, smfh your comprehension is ugh very low or you just being stubborn You're so emotionally invested in your point that you're the one who has not bothered to read my posts. You're just spamming "IT'S NOT ABOUT DE SCREENTIEM HURR DURR" without understanding what I am even saying. Get a grip. Again with your poor comprehension, bro you got caught, you didn't know time travel didn't exist, even tho it was explained in ep12 stop making excuses. As for that fact, that time travel don't exist, that alone completely refuted your weak subjective argument Wth are you talking about, my whole argument is objective, everything I used for my argument happens in the anime, it's you who didn't even know some vital info and even with that you're argument is 100% subjective, again I respect your opinion but stop forcing it on others, also watch your language, geez grow up >Emotionally invested Says the guy cursing for childish reasons It's bcoz it is NOT about screen time, that's a fact, I've refuted your screen time argument easily and so many times in this thread and you couldn't refute it bcoz you keep proving how poor your comprehension is Also, I understand what you've been saying, but you've no points whatsoever, you've been completely subjective from the start, so it's really doesn't matter and irrelevant, and again I respect your opinion, so stop being so stubborn this doesn't need to go any further |
| @Daemon @PureAgiMaxReborn Stay objective and try to avoid any kind of personal insults. These are the poison of all discussions and these are even very poisoness for each kind of community, too. I will avoid any information from the novel this time, as the thread creator wished for. In the first episode, we see a young girl enjoying her precious moment with someone she calls Setsuna. The title of the episode "We Meet Again" is very misleading this time, because it would indicate that he had met this Rinne of Island somewhere, but the anime did start with the first seconds of the age of Never Island and the young girl Rinné (Kuon of Island). Setsuna Sansenkai has lost almost all memories of his past, besides the name Rinne and his name to be Setsuna. In this time he helped Karen Kurutsu and Sarah Garlando to dream their dreams and in that way to solve their problems. He started to get very close to the girl Rinne, he shared strong emotional bond with, that he even could not understand himself. After realising that the Setsuna Rinne fell in love originally is a different person then the guy she met on the beach, Setsuna Sansenkai and Rinne got in a conflict and both stranded on the little Island Boryujima. They cleared their misunderstandings (it seemed that way, but Setsuna did not realise at this point why he felt a strong emotional bond with Rinne). Rinne died as both tried to get back to the Island. Setsuna was informed about strange over technology that would not fit in their society standard and the Cold Sleep Chamber. After sleeping for a very long time, he met in an far future as it seemed Rinné, Karen and Sarah. 3 girls he felt to have met somewhere before (of course we know that Karen and Sarah are reincarnations of their own fate and karma and we later learn the truth about the girl Rinné). He and Rinné wanted to help Sarah to support the untagged children. They got involved in a Coup d`ètat, Sarah and Karen died. Rinné and Setsuna had been fallen in love with each other and had sex before he used the Cold Sleep Chamber, resulting in the procreation of Rinne, their daughter. Setsuna used the Cold Sleep Chamber and mistook this for a time machine. Rinné realised it too late and tried to follow him. From Momoka we learn that somehow the time itself is in an endless loop of repeating itself again and again. Setsuna could finally understand his feelings for the Rinne of Island. It was not romantic, but a strong feeling of fatherly love and the need to protect her. TL;dr : He mistook his feelings of fatherly love and the strong emotional need to protect the girl Rinne for almost romantic feelings. He never fell in love with her in first place. The only girl he truly love was the girl he met the first time. The girl Rinné of Never Island, the dieing world in snow. That is indeed the reason I would not feel bad for Rinne, their daughter. In this matter, I truly consider the reuniting of Setsuna and Rinné as the best possible outcome and I do not feel bad for their daughter at all. She is still very young and would be able to find her own happiness. |
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| @PureAgiMaxReborn I guess a mod deleted my post for “abuse,” so not going to bother replying to you again unless you really want me to. @Cyanwasserstoff don’t minimod, man. But yeah, I’m aware of the official reason why Setsuna chose Kuon, and that was literally stated in the anime. However, the relationship he had with her in the first time loop was clearly not a father-daughter relationship, and we as the viewer could never know that until the end, so yeah, it does make sense that people feel bad for Rinne. As for me, I already stated that I don’t feel bad for Rinne. |
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Daemon said: @PureAgiMaxReborn I guess a mod deleted my post for “abuse,” so not going to bother replying to you again unless you really want me to. Ugh, you're so childish and still in denial, why are you surprised? your comments consists of 30% childish insults, 30% irrelevant cursing and 40% pure subjective opinion, no wonder a mod deleted it, he should've banned you tbh Daemon said: @Cyanwasserstoff don’t minimod, man. But yeah, I’m aware of the official reason why Setsuna chose Kuon, and that was literally stated in the anime. However, the relationship he had with her in the first time loop was clearly not a father-daughter relationship, and we as the viewer could never know that until the end, so yeah, it does make sense that people feel bad for Rinne. As for me, I already stated that I don’t feel bad for Rinne. Smh you're still being in denial, after @Cyanwasserstoff just further exposed you yet again, now you're backtracking and also being a revisionist You've lost all credibility the moment I exposed you for not knowing vital info of ep12 so do yourself a favor and stop trying to act smart, you got proven wrong, now you're contradicting yourself, you seriously need to grow up |
LairucremSep 22, 2018 11:20 PM
You can call me the god or devil himself, if you wish. That does not change the fact that I prefer discussions on a fairly human level without insulting each other. That was only my own selfish wish for you two to stop the personal hostility and provocation and try to ask you courteously to participate in a less community poisoness way. Nothing more and nothing less. Daemon said: But yeah, I’m aware of the official reason why Setsuna chose Kuon, and that was literally stated in the anime. However, the relationship he had with her in the first time loop was clearly not a father-daughter relationship, and we as the viewer could never know that until the end, so yeah, it does make sense that people feel bad for Rinne. As for me, I already stated that I don’t feel bad for Rinne. I can at least see where you are coming from. I understand your point and it is not unlikely to view them this way in the first shown age of Island. In the anime itself it seemed more like that he had some emotional bond with her from the beginning, but he mistook this as romantic feelings. Both kind of developed a romantic relationship, but never the less it started with a great misunderstanding from himself. He could not figure out his own personal feelings. He was not able to, because he did feel this way for the first time and forgot the time he spend with the girl in the age of Never Island. The VN did handle it differently and also explained why he fell for Rinne of the age of Island. PureAgiMaxReborn said: Smh you're still being in denial, after @Cyanwasserstoff just further exposed you yet again, now you're backtracking and also being a revisionist You've lost all credibility the moment I exposed you for not knowing vital info of ep12 so do yourself a favor and stop trying to act smart, you got proven wrong, now you're contradicting yourself, you seriously need to grow up Their is no need for any kind of provocation, don´t you think ? You can disagree with him and make your point clear by your own arguments. Even without the interference from the staff, we can still do what we can do as community. There is no need to poison the atmosphere. |
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PureAgiMaxReborn said: Ugh, you're so childish and still in denial, why are you surprised? your comments consists of 30% childish insults, 30% irrelevant cursing and 40% pure subjective opinion, no wonder a mod deleted it, he should've banned you tbh You're the one who lost your mind over an anime relationship. Get a life, and grow a spine while you're at it. You call for people to be banned because they disagree with your "objective" opinions. Again, you need to stop taking anime so seriously that you have an aneurysm over it. Smh you're still being in denial, after @Cyanwasserstoff just further exposed you yet again, now you're backtracking and also being a revisionist No, he did not. I know it's hard for you, but take a moment to read my post and my response to him. You've lost all credibility the moment I exposed you for not knowing vital info of ep12 so do yourself a favor and stop trying to act smart, you got proven wrong, now you're contradicting yourself, you seriously need to grow up Actually, you're the one who didn't even recognize that Rinne's relationship with Setsuna in the first time loop was an influencing factor on the viewers' opinions. I exposed you for that, and now you're embarrassed that you made such a dumb thread and are lashing out at me like a child. Instead of losing your mind over an anime, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and then come back and maybe apologize for your animalistic actions. Cyanwasserstoff said: You can call me the god or devil himself, if you wish. That does not change the fact that I prefer discussions on a fairly human level without insulting each other. That was only my own selfish wish for you two to stop the personal hostility and provocation and try to ask you courteously to participate in a less community poisoness way. Nothing more and nothing less. Well, I appreciate you being civil, but I don't think I can do what you ask, sorry. As you can see from my first post in this thread, my initial response was completely normal and had no insults whatsoever. Then, OP got so angry and riled up that someone was challenging his "objective" opinion that he started accusing me of spouting "bs" and claiming that I had no reading comprehension. Normally I would agree that we shouldn't be throwing insults around, but OP has already shown his true colors, and I have no problem calling an idiot and idiot. I can at least see where you are coming from. I understand your point and it is not unlikely to view them this way in the first shown age of Island. In the anime itself it seemed more like that he had some emotional bond with her from the beginning, but he mistook this as romantic feelings. Both kind of developed a romantic relationship, but never the less it started with a great misunderstanding from himself. He could not figure out his own personal feelings. He was not able to, because he did feel this way for the first time and forgot the time he spend with the girl in the age of Never Island. I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but my point is that it is hard for the viewer to determine that the relationship Setsuna had with Rinne in that first time loop was not a romantic one. Everything pointed towards it being a romantic relationship, which is even what Kuon wanted and was pushing for. Kuon repeatedly asked if the pair had sex yet, which further reinforced the viewer's assumption that Setsuna and Rinne were in a romantic relationship. It was only at the end of the anime where it was revealed that Setsuna's feelings were confused, but even then that was only said in a couple sentences and shown in Setsuna's refusal to kiss Rinne in the second loop. It just felt like a hastily tacked on justification for Setsuna to now love Kuon, because in the first time loop (which was the majority of the show), it was not at all clear that his feelings were confused. |
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Daemon said: You're the one who lost your mind over an anime relationship. Get a life, and grow a spine while you're at it. You call for people to be banned because they disagree with your "objective" opinions. Again, you need to stop taking anime so seriously that you have an aneurysm over it. stop embarrassing yourself, there's a limit to how much a person can embarrass himself, you need to be on suicide watch if you keep being this emotional Daemon said: No, he did not. I know it's hard for you, but take a moment to read my post and my response to him. Yes he did, just like I did, stop lying already, I've exposed you, you got proven wrong, grow up Daemon said: Actually, you're the one who didn't even recognize that Rinne's relationship with Setsuna in the first time loop was an influencing factor on the viewers' opinions. I exposed you for that, and now you're embarrassed that you made such a dumb thread and are lashing out at me like a child. Instead of losing your mind over an anime, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and then come back and maybe apologize for your animalistic actions. Lol you're straight up lying, unfortunately for you, our whole argument is still there, you should re read it and see I've told you multiple times, that it's understandable with Rinne(daughter) in the first loop in the anime stop being a delusional revisionist lol you're so desperate it's hilarious Your observation and comprehension is so poor that you didn't even know time machine don't exist even tho it was explained in ep12 lol thus destroying your weak opinionated subjective argument lol have pity on yourself and stop embarrassing yourself, you keep exposing yourself Also ugh! "Animalistic actions" cringe haven't heard such a childish insult since my elementary days, yup you're extremely childish alright |
LairucremSep 23, 2018 8:54 AM
Daemon said: Cyanwasserstoff said: You can call me the god or devil himself, if you wish. That does not change the fact that I prefer discussions on a fairly human level without insulting each other. That was only my own selfish wish for you two to stop the personal hostility and provocation and try to ask you courteously to participate in a less community poisoness way. Nothing more and nothing less. Well, I appreciate you being civil, but I don't think I can do what you ask, sorry. As you can see from my first post in this thread, my initial response was completely normal and had no insults whatsoever. Then, OP got so angry and riled up that someone was challenging his "objective" opinion that he started accusing me of spouting "bs" and claiming that I had no reading comprehension. Normally I would agree that we shouldn't be throwing insults around, but OP has already shown his true colors, and I have no problem calling an idiot and idiot. Sometimes it is really hard to stay calm, relax and to stand above the rude provocation. In that times we have to remember, that even online we are participating in an community based on real existing people. They are not bots or programs, but people from different social status/lives and dealing with their own kind of problems. Respect on the very basic level should be something that need to be saved and that need to be kept in all form of social connections. I can understand that you feel provoked by the rude way of "writing", but especially then it should be wise to stand above something like that. I know that I am a kind of idealist, but nothing can be done unless we are doing something by ourself. Daemon said: Cyanwasserstoff said: I can at least see where you are coming from. I understand your point and it is not unlikely to view them this way in the first shown age of Island. In the anime itself it seemed more like that he had some emotional bond with her from the beginning, but he mistook this as romantic feelings. Both kind of developed a romantic relationship, but never the less it started with a great misunderstanding from himself. He could not figure out his own personal feelings. He was not able to, because he did feel this way for the first time and forgot the time he spend with the girl in the age of Never Island. I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but my point is that it is hard for the viewer to determine that the relationship Setsuna had with Rinne in that first time loop was not a romantic one. Everything pointed towards it being a romantic relationship, which is even what Kuon wanted and was pushing for. Kuon repeatedly asked if the pair had sex yet, which further reinforced the viewer's assumption that Setsuna and Rinne were in a romantic relationship. It was only at the end of the anime where it was revealed that Setsuna's feelings were confused, but even then that was only said in a couple sentences and shown in Setsuna's refusal to kiss Rinne in the second loop. It just felt like a hastily tacked on justification for Setsuna to now love Kuon, because in the first time loop (which was the majority of the show), it was not at all clear that his feelings were confused. We learn in the first time on the age of Island, that Rinne tried everything to portray the Setsuna she fell in love with, on that guy she found on the private beach. She called him Setsuna Sansenkai and she put herself in the delusion of him being the person she lost. Setsuna Sansenkai felt a strange kind of connection towards that girl Rinne. He also thought that this would be the girl he needs to save. In this matter both fell in love with each other. Kuon aka Rinné supported them. In this way I understand that some people would prefer to let Rinne get her happy end with Setsuna. Even while their relationship started from big delusions and confused feelings, they did develop towards a romantic relationship. The anime did cut almost the entire plot of Never Island. That is why it is hard to understand why Setsuna fell for Rinné of the age of Never Island. Some plot points mentioned in the anime also did not line up, because the connections towards them were simply left out. I absolutely prefer the way the novel handled this matter, because there you can understand why Setsuna fell in love with the Rinne from the age of Island. You can also understand why he finally made the choice to return to the girl Rinné, he originally fell in love with. PureAgiMaxReborn said: Daemon said: No, he did not. I know it's hard for you, but take a moment to read my post and my response to him. Yes he did, just like I did, stop lying already, I've exposed you, you got proven wrong, grow up Especially in this matter for which of the girls we should feel sorry for, there is no true answer or opinion. It is not only about the one truth, because the way you view this defines the way you think about it. PureAgiMaxReborn said: Daemon said: Actually, you're the one who didn't even recognize that Rinne's relationship with Setsuna in the first time loop was an influencing factor on the viewers' opinions. I exposed you for that, and now you're embarrassed that you made such a dumb thread and are lashing out at me like a child. Instead of losing your mind over an anime, step away from the computer, take a deep breath, and then come back and maybe apologize for your animalistic actions. Lol you're straight up lying, unfortunately for you, our whole argument is still there, you should re read it and see I've told you multiple times, that it's understandable with Rinne(daughter) in the first loop in the anime stop being a delusional revisionist lol you're so desperate it's hilarious Your observation and comprehension is so poor that you didn't even know time machine don't exist even tho it was explained in ep12 lol thus destroying your weak opinionated subjective argument lol have pity on yourself and stop embarrassing yourself, you keep exposing yourself Also ugh! "Animalistic actions" cringe haven't heard such a childish insult since my elementary days, yup you're extremely childish alright If we cut your statement to the essential part of it, then: You state that in your opinion he has not prove your argument as false or has given proper counter arguments. You also state that there exist no time machine and take episode 12 as evidence. That´s it. Everything else are only provocations and insults. About the time machine (anime explanation): Momoka told us that the civilizations are advancing from the stone age then suddenly reverting back to the stone age (time reset). The main difference between time reset and time traveling: You are not travel through time with your body, but you are reverse/reset the time to a certain point. That way you are only exist once, because your time is resetted as everyone else time, too. It is like you take a movie and reverse it to a certain point. It will repeat the same plot. In the anime Setsuna will travel from the age of Never Island into the future of the age of Island. While using the Cold Sleep Chamber, the time got resetted to the point he woke up in the age of Never Island. The events repeat themself, but that time he managed to remember. I truly prefer the way the Novel did handle the story and the way it was explained there. It is different then in the anime |
CyanwasserstoffSep 24, 2018 2:37 AM
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PureAgiMaxReborn said: stop embarrassing yourself, there's a limit to how much a person can embarrass himself, you need to be on suicide watch if you keep being this emotional Wait, you were the one who went crying to a mod because someone on an anime forum insulted you, lol. You're also the one who is telling me to kill myself because I beat you in an argument, so it seems like you're the one being emotional here. Yes he did, just like I did, stop lying already, I've exposed you, you got proven wrong, grow up I exposed you, though. I proved to you that Rinne's relationship with Setsuna in the first loop was a romantic one, and that it was more fleshed out than his relationship with Kuon. I also said that the viewers saw this first relationship and that is why they felt bad for Rinne as a whole. You posted in your OP that you can see how people feel bad for Rinne in the first loop, but you did not even think about the simple fact that the viewers are influenced by that first loop (which was the majority of the show) and that is why they still feel bad for Rinne after the second loop. You never addressed any of this, and now you have just resorted to crying and spouting insults. It's pathetic. Lol you're straight up lying, unfortunately for you, our whole argument is still there, you should re read it and see I've told you multiple times, that it's understandable with Rinne(daughter) in the first loop in the anime stop being a delusional revisionist lol you're so desperate it's hilarious I'm desperate? You're the one losing your mind and acting like your on the verge of a panic attack because your poorly-thought out argument was dismantled so easily. Furthermore, you've completely missed my point again, which attests to your own poor reading comprehension. How can you say that it's understandable that people feel bad for Rinne in the first loop and then say that you can't understand how people feel bad for Rinne? Do you not realize how ridiculous your contradicting argument is? Your observation and comprehension is so poor that you didn't even know time machine don't exist even tho it was explained in ep12 lol thus destroying your weak opinionated subjective argument lol have pity on yourself and stop embarrassing yourself, you keep exposing yourself Notice how you keep using "embarrassing" and "expose" in your insults right after I called you out on those things. You're even copying my insults now, lol. And actually, you're the one who didn't know that Setsuna and Rinne's relationship in the first loop was connected to their relationship in the second loop. You thought that the second loop was a completely new anime/universe, which was an amazingly dumb assumption to make. Also ugh! "Animalistic actions" cringe haven't heard such a childish insult since my elementary days, yup you're extremely childish alright And yet you're the one repeating my insults. If they're so childish, then why are you using them? Again, get a grip, you animal. There's nothing more childish than losing your mind over an anime relationship. Pick your tendies up off your mother's basement and think about your life for a second if you're getting this worked up over a fictional romance between two Japanese drawings. Cyanwasserstoff said: Sometimes it is really hard to stay calm, relax and to stand above the rude provocation. In that times we have to remember, that even online we are participating in an community based on real existing people. They are not bots or programs, but people from different social status/lives and dealing with their own kind of problems. Respect on the very basic level should be something that need to be saved and that need to be kept in all form of social connections. I can understand that you feel provoked by the rude way of "writing", but especially then it should be wise to stand above something like that. I know that I am a kind of idealist, but nothing can be done unless we are doing something by ourself. I admire your ability to stay above the insulting... But for me, sorry, but I won't show respect to those who are not deserving of it. Like I said, my initial post was civil, but I've got no reason to continue to show respect when I won't receive any in return. A guy like this will never learn unless he is put in his place. |
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Daemon said: Wait, you were the one who went crying to a mod because someone on an anime forum insulted you, lol. You're also the one who is telling me to kill myself because I beat you in an argument, so it seems like you're the one being emotional here. Lol you're blaming me coz you just started crying outta nowhere with your childish insults and irrelevant cursing? Your feelings got hurt, you only have yourself to blame there kid lmao Daemon said: I exposed you, though. I proved to you that Rinne's relationship with Setsuna in the first loop was a romantic one, and that it was more fleshed out than his relationship with Kuon. I also said that the viewers saw this first relationship and that is why they felt bad for Rinne as a whole. You posted in your OP that you can see how people feel bad for Rinne in the first loop, but you did not even think about the simple fact that the viewers are influenced by that first loop (which was the majority of the show) and that is why they still feel bad for Rinne after the second loop. Again, you've got exposed kid, stop being delusional and revisionist, you got proven completely wrong, that's what happens when you went into argument with your poor comprehension and poor observation, lmao you got exposed for not knowing vital info in ep12, time machines don't exist here hence your whole weak subjective argument goes poof Daemon said: I'm desperate? You're the one losing your mind and acting like your on the verge of a panic attack because your poorly-thought out argument was dismantled so easily. Furthermore, you've completely missed my point again, which attests to your own poor reading comprehension. How can you say that it's understandable that people feel bad for Rinne in the first loop and then say that you can't understand how people feel bad for Rinne? Do you not realize how ridiculous your contradicting argument is? Again, your poor comprehension is at work here again lol stop embarrassing yourself, the fact time machines don't exist, means your argument can't use the first loop in the anime. You're contradicting yourself in a desperate attempt to justify your weak opinionated argument lol pathetic Daemon said: And actually, you're the one who didn't know that Setsuna and Rinne's relationship in the first loop was connected to their relationship in the second loop. You thought that the second loop was a completely new anime/universe, which was an amazingly dumb assumption to make. Again, you went full delusional mode again, did you even stretch before reaching? Lol time machines don't exist, go watch episode 12 again lol and avoid further embarrassment lol Daemon said: And yet you're the one repeating my insults. If they're so childish, then why are you using them? Again, get a grip, you animal. There's nothing more childish than losing your mind over an anime relationship. Pick your tendies up off your mother's basement and think about your life for a second if you're getting this worked up over a fictional romance between two Japanese drawings. Kid, is your fetish masochism? Coz lol you can't stop embarrassing yourself with these lame unoriginal comebacks, like anyone who reads the thread will clearly see how badly I hurt your feelings that you just copies my insults lol stop crying and grow up |
PureAgiMaxReborn said: Lol you're blaming me coz you just started crying outta nowhere with your childish insults and irrelevant cursing? Your feelings got hurt, you only have yourself to blame there kid lmao Uh... You're the one who started insulting me first. I just responded in kind because I thought it was amazing that someone got so worked up over an anime relationship. Like I said, get a life. Again, you've got exposed kid, stop being delusional and revisionist, you got proven completely wrong, that's what happens when you went into argument with your poor comprehension and poor observation, lmao you got exposed for not knowing vital info in ep12, time machines don't exist here hence your whole weak subjective argument goes poof Respond to my points or shut the fuck up. You keep repeating "TIME MACHINE, TIME MACHINE HURR DURR" which never had anything to do with the argument in the first place. Also I was right about that anyway. Again, your poor comprehension is at work here again lol stop embarrassing yourself, the fact time machines don't exist, means your argument can't use the first loop in the anime. You're contradicting yourself in a desperate attempt to justify your weak opinionated argument lol pathetic Stop whining for a second and use your tiny brain. The first loop still existed in both Setsuna's mind and the viewer's mind. Again, you went full delusional mode again, did you even stretch before reaching? Lol time machines don't exist, go watch episode 12 again lol and avoid further embarrassment lol What do time machines have to do with anything, and why do you keep bringing it up? Also, stop spamming "lol" like a twelve year old. You should also learn some proper spelling and grammar. Kid, is your fetish masochism? Coz lol you can't stop embarrassing yourself with these lame unoriginal comebacks, like anyone who reads the thread will clearly see how badly I hurt your feelings that you just copies my insults lol stop crying and grow up Again, if my comebacks are unoriginal, why are you copying them? Are you that stupid that you can't even think of your own? You've just been repeating "pathetic" and "embarrassing" and "exposed" after I taught you those words. You should be calling me sensei, little guy. |
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Daemon said: Uh... You're the one who started insulting me first. I just responded in kind because I thought it was amazing that someone got so worked up over an anime relationship. Like I said, get a life. Lol stop crying already, you got exposed countless times, have pity on yourself, now I kinda feel bad for you bcoz you keep embarrassing yourself Daemon said: Respond to my points or shut the fuck up. You keep repeating "TIME MACHINE, TIME MACHINE HURR DURR" which never had anything to do with the argument in the first place. Also I was right about that anyway. Coz time machines don't exist and you got exposed for not knowing it even tho it was revealed in ep12 hence you embarrassed yourself big time lol Daemon said: Stop whining for a second and use your tiny brain. The first loop still existed in both Setsuna's mind and the viewer's mind. Ugh hence I said multiple times that the first loop romance in the anime was understandable but your comprehension is getting poorer and poorer just as your childish insults are getting lamer and lamer lol Daemon said: What do time machines have to do with anything, and why do you keep bringing it up? Bcoz you got exposed kid, your whole weak opinionated subjective argument was reliant on time machine existing but then you got exposed lol it's even explained in ep12 sorry kid, it is what it is Daemon said: Also, stop spamming "lol" like a twelve year old. You should also learn some proper spelling and grammar. Then stop being such a hilarious clown with your lame as hell childish insults lol grow up Daemon said: Again, if my comebacks are unoriginal, why are you copying them? Are you that stupid that you can't even think of your own? You've just been repeating "pathetic" and "embarrassing" and "exposed" after I taught you those words. You should be calling me sensei, little guy. >Copying them Ugh you might wanna re-read the whole thread if your memory is just as poor as your comprehension and observation heck anyone who read the whole thread will see that you're the copycat, I dunno why you wanna embarrass yourself with that claim lol you played yourself |
| @PureAgiMaxReborn Look, since it's evident that I've hurt your feelings and you're having a mental breakdown, I'll try to refrain from insulting you again and just lay down my argument: You said that it was understandable that people felt bad for Rinne in the first loop but not in the second loop because their romance was "shallow" in the second loop. I agree that their romance was shallow in the second loop. However, Kuon's and Setsuna's romance was also incredibly shallow. You yourself admitted that Rinne's romance with Setsuna in the first loop was not shallow (because you said you can understand why people felt bad for first loop Rinne). Therefore, my argument is that people feel bad that Rinne did not get to have a romance with Setsuna in the end, because her first loop self died and her second loop self was passed over in favor of Kuon. As for your obsession with this "time machine," I don't know where that came from or why you keep bringing it up as if it had anything to do with the argument. I don't know if you even properly understood that part, so I will just explain it to you. The "time machine" was a machine that allowed Setsuna to withstand the chronoquakes. As Cyanwasserstoff mentioned, time did get reset, but Setsuna was able to avoid being reset along with the chronoquake because he was in the machine. That's it. I can't understand why you keep bringing this up, and it had nothing to do with my argument, which I lined out above. But seriously, dude, I don't mean this as an insult, but you should get mental help. You threw a tantrum over an anime relationship and you just kept on repeating my own insults back to me (you even called me a copycat right after I called you that, lol), so I think I set something off deep inside you. Again, this is advice, not an insult, but you should either consider seeing a psychiatrist or just step out into the real world a bit and see how normal people behave. It's not satisfying for me to keep insulting someone with mental disabilities, so I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. |
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Daemon said: Look, since it's evident that I've hurt your feelings and you're having a mental breakdown, I'll try to refrain from insulting you again and just lay down my argument: Lol why are you still crying while embarrassing yourself? "Feelings hurt" Says the kid who can't stop with his childish insults and irrelevant cursing that even got his comment deleted LMFAO you played yourself yet again, poor kid, you got caught red handed, stop showing the internet where it hurts you lol you're so ez to read Daemon said: You said that it was understandable that people felt bad for Rinne in the first loop but not in the second loop because their romance was "shallow" in the second loop. I agree that their romance was shallow in the second loop. However, Kuon's and Setsuna's romance was also incredibly shallow. You yourself admitted that Rinne's romance with Setsuna in the first loop was not shallow (because you said you can understand why people felt bad for first loop Rinne). Therefore, my argument is that people feel bad that Rinne did not get to have a romance with Setsuna in the end, because her first loop self died and her second loop self was passed over in favor of Kuon. Your poor comprehension strikes again lol again, it has nothing to with screen time, the whole thread is about the second loop, you're just too thick headed and stubborn that you keep bringing up first loop, and no it's not shallow coz post-cold sleep in the second loop, it's not shallow anymore, that's the epitome of romantic build up, lol "shallow" you're delusional, you're trying so hard to justify your weak opinionated argument Daemon said: As for your obsession with this "time machine," I don't know where that came from or why you keep bringing it up as if it had anything to do with the argument. I don't know if you even properly understood that part, so I will just explain it to you. The "time machine" was a machine that allowed Setsuna to withstand the chronoquakes. As Cyanwasserstoff mentioned, time did get reset, but Setsuna was able to avoid being reset along with the chronoquake because he was in the machine. That's it. I can't understand why you keep bringing this up, and it had nothing to do with my argument, which I lined out above. Bcoz you got caught and exposed kid lol I'll keep bringing it up until you finally grow up lol it was even explained in ep12 but you're completely clueless about it lol hence dropping your credibility to zero, stop trying to act smart from now on, you have poor observation and comprehension thus explaining you're inability to an objective argument Daemon said: But seriously, dude, I don't mean this as an insult, but you should get mental help. You threw a tantrum over an anime relationship and you just kept on repeating my own insults back to me (you even called me a copycat right after I called you that, lol), so I think I set something off deep inside you. Again, this is advice, not an insult, but you should either consider seeing a psychiatrist or just step out into the real world a bit and see how normal people behave. It's not satisfying for me to keep insulting someone with mental disabilities, so I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. Lol your weak baits ain't gonna work, the whole thread is there for everyone to see so you're just embarrassing yourself with that copycat claim coz it's clear as day who's the copycat, this is so sad lol this is so effortless, you're exposing yourself, come on kid try harder |
PureAgiMaxReborn said: Lol why are you still crying while embarrassing yourself? "Feelings hurt" Says the kid who can't stop with his childish insults and irrelevant cursing that even got his comment deleted LMFAO you played yourself yet again, poor kid, you got caught red handed, stop showing the internet where it hurts you lol you're so ez to read I didn't insult you last post, and you're the only one still insulting me, so I think you're the one who is "crying." Also, my comment only got deleted because you reported it. I could easily report your comment which told me to kill myself, but I don't get offended over online arguments, unlike you. Like I said, calm down little guy. Your poor comprehension strikes again lol again, it has nothing to with screen time Point out where I mentioned screen time in that post. You say I have bad reading comprehension, and yet you literally cannot read and just make things up. the whole thread is about the second loop, you're just too thick headed and stubborn that you keep bringing up first loop, Because the first loop is linked to the second loop. It's really not that hard to understand. and no it's not shallow coz post-cold sleep in the second loop, it's not shallow anymore, that's the epitome of romantic build up, lol Prove it. You're just stating your opinion. "shallow" you're delusional, you're trying so hard to justify your weak opinionated argument Maybe the "delusional" one is the person who is whining about an anime relationship... Bcoz you got caught and exposed kid lol I'll keep bringing it up until you finally grow up lol it was even explained in ep12 but you're completely clueless about it lol hence dropping your credibility to zero, stop trying to act smart from now on, you have poor observation and comprehension thus explaining you're inability to an objective argument I just explained to you what happened in the anime. You're actually the one who didn't know about it until I told you, so I exposed you for your lack of knowledge, lol. Also, prove how any sort of "time machine" is connected in any way to this argument. Lol your weak baits ain't gonna work, the whole thread is there for everyone to see so you're just embarrassing yourself with that copycat claim coz it's clear as day who's the copycat, this is so sad lol this is so effortless, you're exposing yourself, come on kid try harder You literally just copied me again... Also, it's not "bait." You're actually mentally ill and should get help. Mental illness is not a joke. |
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Daemon said: I didn't insult you last post, and you're the only one still insulting me, so I think you're the one who is "crying." Also, my comment only got deleted because you reported it. I could easily report your comment which told me to kill myself, but I don't get offended over online arguments, unlike you. Like I said, calm down little guy. Lol I like how you twisted my words that you should be on suicide watch, kid that's a messed up logic lol how did that went to "kys"? Stop crying, I'm telling your mommy now, you clearly need suicide watch, you're extremely unstable and it's sad to watch Daemon said: Point out where I mentioned screen time in that post. You say I have bad reading comprehension, and yet you literally cannot read and just make things up. If you don't even know how your weak opinionated argument equates to screen time then lol it's not my problem, you've just exposed yourself here yet again, poor comprehension at it's finest lol have pity on yourself and stop embarrassing yourself Daemon said: Because the first loop is linked to the second loop. It's really not that hard to understand. Time machines don't exist kid lol the only link is them being reincarnated, that's it, can't believe you still don't understand this, it was explained in ep12 kid, you got exposed again lol Daemon said: Prove it. You're just stating your opinion. Lol I've lost count on how many times I've proven this, it's an irrefutable fact, I've also proven how immature and childish and how extremely poor your comprehension is so yeah I completely destroyed your weak opinionated subjective opinion haha and it's hilarious as hell Daemon said: Maybe the "delusional" one is the person who is whining about an anime relationship... Says the kid crying and keep getting embarrassed and exposed in an ANIME forum who got his comment deleted bcoz of childish insults and immature rants lol Daemon said: I just explained to you what happened in the anime. You're actually the one who didn't know about it until I told you, so I exposed you for your lack of knowledge, lol. Lol another childish claim, the thread don't lie, you're again just embarrassing yourself with these claims, grow up Daemon said: Also, prove how any sort of "time machine" is connected in any way to this argument. Your weak opinionated argument is about screen time lol but time machines don't exists, so yeah you played yourself, it was already checkmate from the start Daemon said: You literally just copied me again... Also, it's not "bait." You're actually mentally ill and should get help. Mental illness is not a joke. more childish insults lmao stop embarrassing yourself, have pity on yourself and your parents, I know you're uneducated but at least they didn't raise you to be this immature, I'm sure they're crying the same time as you right now |
LairucremSep 27, 2018 7:36 AM
| @PureAgiMaxReborn You need mental help, little guy. I proved you wrong numerous times, and in your last post you just whined the whole time about how I hurt your feelings and refused to address my argument. You don't even come up with new insults and you just copy and paste the same thing you said last time. Your thread is bad, your argument is bad, and your mind is weak. I will not be replying to you again unless you actually want to address my argument. Enjoy raging into the void and crying like a little bitch over an anime after I proved you wrong. Also learn some spelling and grammar and stop spamming "lol" every two seconds; it really exposes you for the tantrum-throwing kid that you are. |
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Daemon said: You need mental help, little guy. I proved you wrong numerous times, and in your last post you just whined the whole time about how I hurt your feelings and refused to address my argument. You don't even come up with new insults and you just copy and paste the same thing you said last time. Lol stop embarrassing yourself, I can't believe you're still crying, you've got proven wrong and exposed for being such an immature childish kid "new insults" you've been insulting yourself from start lol the moment you tried to be a copycat, grow up already, you're like a girl, feminine feelings easily hurt lol Daemon said: Your thread is bad, your argument is bad, and your mind is weak. I will not be replying to you again unless you actually want to address my argument. Enjoy raging into the void and crying like a little bitch over an anime after I proved you wrong. >bad thread coz you got your feelings hurt, embarrassed and got proven completely wrong and exposed for a childish brat that you are lol the thread don't lie, everyone who reads it will see how I proved you wrong and embarrassed the f out of you and destroyed your feelings lol Daemon said: Also learn some spelling and grammar and stop spamming "lol" every two seconds; it really exposes you for the tantrum-throwing kid that you are. Lol you can't blame me for laughing coz you're one hilarious clown, you're basically self roasting yourself with these copypasted insults, people can see your unoriginality, stop crying and grow up, people can also see how I've proven you wrong so many times and just laugh at you for your delusions lol you played yourself so much, try harder kid lol |
LairucremSep 29, 2018 2:06 AM
| Thread locked You two clearly can't stop with this crap, so time's up. Learn to have a proper civil discussion or don't have one at all. Block each other if you don't want to see each other anymore, but don't turn it into a massive wall of bait, insults and just overall spam. |
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